Re: Tor network connections constantly building / failing
Thanks Justin, AFAIK, the seul.org archives are updated pretty much immediately. There have been cases where the archive thread will show up before a post will show up in my inbox. I now see that some? posts (even for most recent reply date) don't seem to be in perfect date order. Not sure. Seems some w/ earlier dates are higher on list than some w/ later dates - even looking at the most recent reply date to that OP. Maybe I'm not seeing something showing a date really is later than another post's. Dunno. Looked at one post at top of list, & every reply - * seemed * all dates were older than this post & replies (which are a ways down from top). The Vidalia 0.2.2.17a pkg seems to be working OK for me ( in & of itself). Don't think any better speed-wise (for some things) than * when prev. ver. was working correctly * - but will have added security / bug fixes. Maybe the older ver on my PC had a corrupted file. I tested d/l speed of * a * file w/ Vidalia 0.2.2.17a - seems fine. But - for now - some pages seem to load much slower than before (approx same time as d/l speed of test file showed OK). Not sure why. Will continue to monitor. On 10/14/2010 10:47 AM, Justin Aplin wrote: On Oct 14, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Joe Btfsplk wrote: Thanks Mike, Question: I'm new at this mailing list. Instructions were to post comments / quest. to: or-t...@seul.org. But replies to my quest. come from or-t...@freehaven.net. Which address should I send ORIGINAL posts to & which for REPLIES to others' replies? Welcome! Both original posts and replies can be sent to either address, they'll both go out to the list. When sending mail to either address, or-talk@freehaven.net gets added to the "Reply-To" header, so I suppose for ease of separation you could consider or-t...@seul.org to be your OP address and or-talk@freehaven.net to be your Reply address. This isn't necessary, however, as plenty of OPs come in through or-t...@freehaven.net. Q2: For * current * topics, is there way or site to view discussions - before they show on the archives site? Not sure if all discussions wind up on archives site & how long takes. AFAIK, the seul.org archives are updated pretty much immediately. There have been cases where the archive thread will show up before a post will show up in my inbox. Re: Your questions: Have home ADSL conn (non static IP). Direct / dry loop DSL w/ AT&T - U.S. - TX. Unless they JUST changed how they treat Tor connections, probably not the ISP (tho not out of question). Just d/l & installed Vidalia 0.2.2.17a. Have VERY limited testing w/ it so far, but the constant, RAPID building / failing of new connections seems to have stopped - for the moment. Will do further testing. I haven't tried other connections / open wifi. Let us know what you see. Could just be temporary Tor network conditions, but before AND after installing Vidalia 0.2.2.17a, many pages now loading quite slowly vs same pgs in past months (comparing loading same pages on many diff days of wk & time of day). Only diff on computer is upgrading to Firefox 3.6.10. My non Tor DSL speeds are still good. Tor speeds for me fluctuate wildly depending on the time of day, phase of the moon, will of the gods, etc. Let us know if this is constant after the further testing you mentioned above. ~Justin Aplin On 10/13/2010 4:55 PM, Mike Perry wrote: Thus spake Joe Btfsplk (joebtfs...@gmx.com): What I'm seeing is completely ABnormal from what I've seen for 1 - 2 yrs, over several Tor / Vidalia versions. I often looked at network maps - was never like this. 1) What I described about connections constantly (RAPID fire - dozens, one after another) building, then immediately after 90% of connections 1st pop up - showing "building" - they immediately fail. Problem is, so many fail so quickly (in seconds), fair amount of time, there aren't 3 good (open, stable) connections. Therefore, d/l seems to drop to zero during that time. 2) ** Currently, this behavior does NOT "level off." It continues as long a Tor / Polipo are running (even a day or more). Regardless, in past if I ran Tor for 1 hr, I NEVER saw anything close to this. I don't leave Tor running (for normal browsing) for days at a time. Never have. 3) Now, my speeds never pick up (for any length of time). Your ISP may be blocking connections to the Tor network. What type of internet connection is this? Work/school/library/home? What country are you in? Have you tried other networks/open wifi to see if you get the same result? *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archive
Re: Tor network connections constantly building / failing
On Oct 14, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Joe Btfsplk wrote: Thanks Mike, Question: I'm new at this mailing list. Instructions were to post comments / quest. to: or-t...@seul.org. But replies to my quest. come from or-t...@freehaven.net. Which address should I send ORIGINAL posts to & which for REPLIES to others' replies? Welcome! Both original posts and replies can be sent to either address, they'll both go out to the list. When sending mail to either address, or-talk@freehaven.net gets added to the "Reply-To" header, so I suppose for ease of separation you could consider or-t...@seul.org to be your OP address and or-talk@freehaven.net to be your Reply address. This isn't necessary, however, as plenty of OPs come in through or-t...@freehaven.net. Q2: For * current * topics, is there way or site to view discussions - before they show on the archives site? Not sure if all discussions wind up on archives site & how long takes. AFAIK, the seul.org archives are updated pretty much immediately. There have been cases where the archive thread will show up before a post will show up in my inbox. Re: Your questions: Have home ADSL conn (non static IP). Direct / dry loop DSL w/ AT&T - U.S. - TX. Unless they JUST changed how they treat Tor connections, probably not the ISP (tho not out of question). Just d/l & installed Vidalia 0.2.2.17a. Have VERY limited testing w/ it so far, but the constant, RAPID building / failing of new connections seems to have stopped - for the moment. Will do further testing. I haven't tried other connections / open wifi. Let us know what you see. Could just be temporary Tor network conditions, but before AND after installing Vidalia 0.2.2.17a, many pages now loading quite slowly vs same pgs in past months (comparing loading same pages on many diff days of wk & time of day). Only diff on computer is upgrading to Firefox 3.6.10. My non Tor DSL speeds are still good. Tor speeds for me fluctuate wildly depending on the time of day, phase of the moon, will of the gods, etc. Let us know if this is constant after the further testing you mentioned above. ~Justin Aplin On 10/13/2010 4:55 PM, Mike Perry wrote: Thus spake Joe Btfsplk (joebtfs...@gmx.com): What I'm seeing is completely ABnormal from what I've seen for 1 - 2 yrs, over several Tor / Vidalia versions. I often looked at network maps - was never like this. 1) What I described about connections constantly (RAPID fire - dozens, one after another) building, then immediately after 90% of connections 1st pop up - showing "building" - they immediately fail. Problem is, so many fail so quickly (in seconds), fair amount of time, there aren't 3 good (open, stable) connections. Therefore, d/l seems to drop to zero during that time. 2) ** Currently, this behavior does NOT "level off." It continues as long a Tor / Polipo are running (even a day or more). Regardless, in past if I ran Tor for 1 hr, I NEVER saw anything close to this. I don't leave Tor running (for normal browsing) for days at a time. Never have. 3) Now, my speeds never pick up (for any length of time). Your ISP may be blocking connections to the Tor network. What type of internet connection is this? Work/school/library/home? What country are you in? Have you tried other networks/open wifi to see if you get the same result? *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor network connections constantly building / failing
Thanks Mike, Question: I'm new at this mailing list. Instructions were to post comments / quest. to: or-t...@seul.org. But replies to my quest. come from or-t...@freehaven.net. Which address should I send ORIGINAL posts to & which for REPLIES to others' replies? Q2: For * current * topics, is there way or site to view discussions - before they show on the archives site? Not sure if all discussions wind up on archives site & how long takes. Re: Your questions: Have home ADSL conn (non static IP). Direct / dry loop DSL w/ AT&T - U.S. - TX. Unless they JUST changed how they treat Tor connections, probably not the ISP (tho not out of question). Just d/l & installed Vidalia 0.2.2.17a. Have VERY limited testing w/ it so far, but the constant, RAPID building / failing of new connections seems to have stopped - for the moment. Will do further testing. I haven't tried other connections / open wifi. Could just be temporary Tor network conditions, but before AND after installing Vidalia 0.2.2.17a, many pages now loading quite slowly vs same pgs in past months (comparing loading same pages on many diff days of wk & time of day). Only diff on computer is upgrading to Firefox 3.6.10. My non Tor DSL speeds are still good. On 10/13/2010 4:55 PM, Mike Perry wrote: Thus spake Joe Btfsplk (joebtfs...@gmx.com): What I'm seeing is completely ABnormal from what I've seen for 1 - 2 yrs, over several Tor / Vidalia versions. I often looked at network maps - was never like this. 1) What I described about connections constantly (RAPID fire - dozens, one after another) building, then immediately after 90% of connections 1st pop up - showing "building" - they immediately fail. Problem is, so many fail so quickly (in seconds), fair amount of time, there aren't 3 good (open, stable) connections. Therefore, d/l seems to drop to zero during that time. 2) ** Currently, this behavior does NOT "level off." It continues as long a Tor / Polipo are running (even a day or more). Regardless, in past if I ran Tor for 1 hr, I NEVER saw anything close to this. I don't leave Tor running (for normal browsing) for days at a time. Never have. 3) Now, my speeds never pick up (for any length of time). Your ISP may be blocking connections to the Tor network. What type of internet connection is this? Work/school/library/home? What country are you in? Have you tried other networks/open wifi to see if you get the same result? *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor network connections constantly building / failing
Thus spake Joe Btfsplk (joebtfs...@gmx.com): > What I'm seeing is completely ABnormal from what I've seen for 1 - 2 > yrs, over several Tor / Vidalia versions. I often looked at network > maps - was never like this. > > 1) What I described about connections constantly (RAPID fire - dozens, > one after another) building, then immediately after 90% of connections > 1st pop up - showing "building" - they immediately fail. Problem is, so > many fail so quickly (in seconds), fair amount of time, there aren't 3 > good (open, stable) connections. Therefore, d/l seems to drop to zero > during that time. > > 2) ** Currently, this behavior does NOT "level off." It continues as > long a Tor / Polipo are running (even a day or more). Regardless, in > past if I ran Tor for 1 hr, I NEVER saw anything close to this. I don't > leave Tor running (for normal browsing) for days at a time. Never have. > > 3) Now, my speeds never pick up (for any length of time). Your ISP may be blocking connections to the Tor network. What type of internet connection is this? Work/school/library/home? What country are you in? Have you tried other networks/open wifi to see if you get the same result? -- Mike Perry Mad Computer Scientist fscked.org evil labs pgpqQYh42LLti.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Tor network connections constantly building / failing
What I'm seeing is completely ABnormal from what I've seen for 1 - 2 yrs, over several Tor / Vidalia versions. I often looked at network maps - was never like this. 1) What I described about connections constantly (RAPID fire - dozens, one after another) building, then immediately after 90% of connections 1st pop up - showing "building" - they immediately fail. Problem is, so many fail so quickly (in seconds), fair amount of time, there aren't 3 good (open, stable) connections. Therefore, d/l seems to drop to zero during that time. 2) ** Currently, this behavior does NOT "level off." It continues as long a Tor / Polipo are running (even a day or more). Regardless, in past if I ran Tor for 1 hr, I NEVER saw anything close to this. I don't leave Tor running (for normal browsing) for days at a time. Never have. 3) Now, my speeds never pick up (for any length of time). On 10/13/2010 8:22 AM, Jon wrote: That is normal right after you start Tor up. What your seeing is Tor is still building circuits. After a short period, it does level out, then you should only be showing several circuits. Your dl/up speeds will vary during this and will level off shortly after. After your connection has been up for a while ie: several days, your speeds will pick up as the other nodes get to know your node. Everything is normal of what your seeing. :) Thanks for running Tor. Jon On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Joe Btfsplk wrote: Recently noticed Tor being slower than usual& network map shows MANY new connections building, then failing VERY quickly. (within a sec or so). Does this constantly - one connection after another. Using Vidalia 0.2.1.26-0.2.9; Torbutton 1.2.5. Sometimes there are at least 3 connections open - sometimes not. 1st time I've seen this. Did close Vidalia / Tor, Polipo, Firefox 3.6.10& Torbutton, the restart - couple of times - no change. During the connection, for brief times, D/L speeds may get up to "normal" for me - but not for long. Anyone noticed this or have suggestions? Thanks. *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor network connections constantly building / failing
What I'm seeing is completely ABnormal from what I've seen for 1 - 2 yrs, over several Tor / Vidalia versions. I often looked at network maps - was never like this. 1) What I described about connections constantly (RAPID fire - dozens, one after another) building, then immediately after 90% of connections 1st pop up - showing "building" - they immediately fail. Problem is, so many fail so quickly (in seconds), fair amount of time, there aren't 3 good (open, stable) connections. Therefore, d/l seems to drop to zero during that time. 2) ** Currently, this behavior does NOT "level off." It continues as long a Tor / Polipo are running (even a day or more). Regardless, in past if I ran Tor for 1 hr, I NEVER saw anything close to this. I don't leave Tor running (for normal browsing) for days at a time. Never have. 3) Now, my speeds never pick up (for any length of time). On 10/13/2010 8:22 AM, Jon wrote: That is normal right after you start Tor up. What your seeing is Tor is still building circuits. After a short period, it does level out, then you should only be showing several circuits. Your dl/up speeds will vary during this and will level off shortly after. After your connection has been up for a while ie: several days, your speeds will pick up as the other nodes get to know your node. Everything is normal of what your seeing. :) Thanks for running Tor. Jon On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Joe Btfsplk wrote: Recently noticed Tor being slower than usual& network map shows MANY new connections building, then failing VERY quickly. (within a sec or so). Does this constantly - one connection after another. Using Vidalia 0.2.1.26-0.2.9; Torbutton 1.2.5. Sometimes there are at least 3 connections open - sometimes not. 1st time I've seen this. Did close Vidalia / Tor, Polipo, Firefox 3.6.10& Torbutton, the restart - couple of times - no change. During the connection, for brief times, D/L speeds may get up to "normal" for me - but not for long. Anyone noticed this or have suggestions? Thanks. *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor network connections constantly building / failing
That is normal right after you start Tor up. What your seeing is Tor is still building circuits. After a short period, it does level out, then you should only be showing several circuits. Your dl/up speeds will vary during this and will level off shortly after. After your connection has been up for a while ie: several days, your speeds will pick up as the other nodes get to know your node. Everything is normal of what your seeing. :) Thanks for running Tor. Jon On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Joe Btfsplk wrote: > Recently noticed Tor being slower than usual & network map shows MANY new > connections building, then failing VERY quickly. (within a sec or so). Does > this constantly - one connection after another. Using Vidalia > 0.2.1.26-0.2.9; Torbutton 1.2.5. > > Sometimes there are at least 3 connections open - sometimes not. 1st time > I've seen this. > > Did close Vidalia / Tor, Polipo, Firefox 3.6.10 & Torbutton, the restart - > couple of times - no change. > During the connection, for brief times, D/L speeds may get up to "normal" > for me - but not for long. > > Anyone noticed this or have suggestions? Thanks. > *** > To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with > unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ > *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Tor network connections constantly building / failing
Recently noticed Tor being slower than usual & network map shows MANY new connections building, then failing VERY quickly. (within a sec or so). Does this constantly - one connection after another. Using Vidalia 0.2.1.26-0.2.9; Torbutton 1.2.5. Sometimes there are at least 3 connections open - sometimes not. 1st time I've seen this. Did close Vidalia / Tor, Polipo, Firefox 3.6.10 & Torbutton, the restart - couple of times - no change. During the connection, for brief times, D/L speeds may get up to "normal" for me - but not for long. Anyone noticed this or have suggestions? Thanks. *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
