RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest
Title: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest Ohh, very clever indeed! -Original Message-From: Jacques Kilchoer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:20 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > -Original Message- > From: Mohan, Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > andYIKESalot of the fat/diet info is mixed > with MISinformationCAVEAT LECTOR!!! The correct spelling is "Lecter". CAVEAT LECTER - beware of the cannibals.
RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest
A drive down the turnpike is NEVER worth it:) KK -Original Message- Kanagaraj Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 2:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rachel, Do you have the 'Farmer's markets' in NY like we have here in CA? (where farmers freight and sell their farm-grown veggies and fruits in a specially agreed upon place/schedule) Have *entirely* stopped buying veggies/fruits from the grocery store since the farmer's markets opened this Spring. Will miss them in Fall/Winter though I did go down to a farm and hand-picked berries in NJ when we were there. Is it worth the drive down the turnpike? John Kanagaraj >-Original Message- >From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:17 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > > >Ian, > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for >how you seem >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just >living with that >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a >child must be >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in >case he got >hurt". > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I >tend to frequent >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy >in stores. Even >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I >have converted >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries >again, he tried >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > >Rachel > > >>From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 >> >>So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the >life expectancy >>of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild >>blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter >than the store >>bought ones. >> >>Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an >article store >>bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose >of fruit is to >>be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system >intact to be >>planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the >more animals >>are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny. >> >>As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with >commercial >>produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported >>unbruised. It doesn't taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree. >> >> >>My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten >free diet. >>It seems to have done her some good; her attentiveness has >increased and >>her perserveration has dropped. My wife swears it has; I >lean more towards >>non-casual coincidence, but I don't want to give her bread >pudding in case >>I'm wrong. You won't believe how many things have gluten and >cassein. >>Gluten is not naturally found in corn, but it's in corn >flakes. Most soy >>cheeses have cassein in them so they melt like dairy >cheeses. It is very >>difficult to keep on such a diet, taking all grains out of >the diet would >>be harder still. >> >>Autism is a multi-genetic disorder; i.e, more than one gene >is involved. >>Latest evidence is that the genes express themselves about >the first month >>of pregnancy. In the future it will be detectable via >amniocentesis, much >>like trisomy 13 is today. For a parent it becomes >noticeable somewhere >>between 15 months and two years. >> >>So what does this have to do with cassein and gluten. There are >>double-blind studies which indicate some children do better >on such a >>diet. >> >> >>I like to think the experience has made me a better person. >Before, when a >>developmentally-disabled child walked into a room I'd act >like the kid was >>contagious. >> >> >>Ian MacGregor >>Stanford Linear Accelerator Center >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-Original Message- >>Sent: Tuesday, July
RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest
I don't know how you would tell if someone died of heart failure from a fossil. One of the problems is that the cavemen and cavewomen didn't live long enough for some of the "modern" diseases to afflict them. || LoLi guess they warmed up one of those petrified ice cavemen they found and did an autopsy. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest
> I don't know how you would tell if someone died of heart > failure from a fossil. Heart problems show up in the bones due to poor circulation of nutrients. There has been a few fossils found with some evidence, but not very many. Since they ate more wild meat, their diet had a lot less fat in it than ours does today. Today people eat mostly domestic animals and they have a lot more fat than wild animals do. Plus hunting food in the wild tends to be a bit more aerobic than getting it from a grocery store. > One of the problems is that the > cavemen and cavewomen didn't live long enough for some of the > "modern" diseases to afflict them. Actually there is some evidence that 100 year old people were more common to them than they are today, but they still struggled. Our business rule today of eat or be eaten had a different twist on it back then. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Page, Bruce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest
> I don't know how you would tell if someone died of heart > failure from a fossil. Heart problems show up in the bones due to poor circulation of nutrients. There has been a few fossils found with some evidence, but not very many. Since they ate more wild meat, their diet had a lot less fat in it than ours does today. Today people eat mostly domestic animals and they have a lot more fat than wild animals do. Plus hunting food in the wild tends to be a bit more aerobic than getting it from a grocery store. > One of the problems is that the > cavemen and cavewomen didn't live long enough for some of the > "modern" diseases to afflict them. Actually there is some evidence that 100 year old people were more common to them than they are today, but they still struggled. Our business rule today of eat or be eaten had a different twist on it back then. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Page, Bruce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest
This is why I have chosen to live in a rural community so that I can have a huge garden and many fruit trees. And for the meat eaters, you can hunt Deer, turkey, pheasant and many other critters. This way I know that my produce has no chemicals and does not get picked until ripe. I just picked my first tomatoes yesterday. I had lived in places like Chicago and San Francisco but got tired of the traffic and the high cost of living. Yes, I make less than my counter parts from the big cities but my costs are less. But more importanly, I live in a place where I can walk out my backdoor and see nothing but fields and forest. It's the greatest cure for stress!! Dave -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rachel, Do you have the 'Farmer's markets' in NY like we have here in CA? (where farmers freight and sell their farm-grown veggies and fruits in a specially agreed upon place/schedule) Have *entirely* stopped buying veggies/fruits from the grocery store since the farmer's markets opened this Spring. Will miss them in Fall/Winter though I did go down to a farm and hand-picked berries in NJ when we were there. Is it worth the drive down the turnpike? John Kanagaraj >-Original Message- >From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:17 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > > >Ian, > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for >how you seem >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just >living with that >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a >child must be >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in >case he got >hurt". > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I >tend to frequent >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy >in stores. Even >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I >have converted >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries >again, he tried >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > >Rachel > > >>From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 >> >>So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the >life expectancy >>of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild >>blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter >than the store >>bought ones. >> >>Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an >article store >>bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose >of fruit is to >>be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system >intact to be >>planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the >more animals >>are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny. >> >>As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with >commercial >>produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported >>unbruised. It doesn't taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree. >> >> >>My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten >free diet. >>It seems to have done her some good; her attentiveness has >increased and >>her perserveration has dropped. My wife swears it has; I >lean more towards >>non-casual coincidence, but I don't want to give her bread >pudding in case >>I'm wrong. You won't believe how many things have gluten and >cassein. >>Gluten is not naturally found in corn, but it's in corn >flakes. Most soy >>cheeses have cassein in them so they melt like dairy >cheeses. It is very >>difficult to keep on such a diet, taking all grains out of >the diet would >>be harder still. >> >>Autism is a multi-genetic disorder; i.e, more than one gene >is involved. >>Latest evidence is that the genes express themselves about >the first month >>of pregnancy. In the future it will be detectable via >amniocentesis, much >>like trisomy 13 is today. For a parent it becomes >noticeable somewhere >>between 15 months and two years. >> >&
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I am so incredibally jealous of you!!! That's my little dream, land and sweet smelling air and trees and animals and privacy. I want to go home after work, sit on a large porch that wraps around my house, put my feet up, listen to some sweet James Taylor, smoke a grit and drink an ice cold beer and watch the sun go down:) Anyway, back to reality:( -Original Message- Dave Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This is why I have chosen to live in a rural community so that I can have a huge garden and many fruit trees. And for the meat eaters, you can hunt Deer, turkey, pheasant and many other critters. This way I know that my produce has no chemicals and does not get picked until ripe. I just picked my first tomatoes yesterday. I had lived in places like Chicago and San Francisco but got tired of the traffic and the high cost of living. Yes, I make less than my counter parts from the big cities but my costs are less. But more importanly, I live in a place where I can walk out my backdoor and see nothing but fields and forest. It's the greatest cure for stress!! Dave -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rachel, Do you have the 'Farmer's markets' in NY like we have here in CA? (where farmers freight and sell their farm-grown veggies and fruits in a specially agreed upon place/schedule) Have *entirely* stopped buying veggies/fruits from the grocery store since the farmer's markets opened this Spring. Will miss them in Fall/Winter though I did go down to a farm and hand-picked berries in NJ when we were there. Is it worth the drive down the turnpike? John Kanagaraj >-Original Message- >From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:17 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > > >Ian, > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for >how you seem >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just >living with that >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a >child must be >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in >case he got >hurt". > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I >tend to frequent >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy >in stores. Even >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I >have converted >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries >again, he tried >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > >Rachel > > >>From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 >> >>So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the >life expectancy >>of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild >>blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter >than the store >>bought ones. >> >>Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an >article store >>bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose >of fruit is to >>be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system >intact to be >>planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the >more animals >>are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny. >> >>As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with >commercial >>produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported >>unbruised. It doesn't taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree. >> >> >>My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten >free diet. >>It seems to have done her some good; her attentiveness has >increased and >>her perserveration has dropped. My wife swears it has; I >lean more towards >>non-casual coincidence, but I don't want to give her bread >pudding in case >>I'm wrong. You won't believe how many things have gluten and >cassein. >>Gluten is not naturally found in corn, but it's in corn >flakes. Most soy >>cheeses have cassein in them so they melt like dairy >cheeses. It is very >>difficult to keep on such a diet, taking all grains out of >the diet would >>be harder s
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Yes, but you have to understand that those animals, trees, and garden take lots of work! You have considerably less time to sit on your porch and drink an ice cold beer! Of course, it's just that much better when you do! Seriously, I'm in the same boat as Dave, and the benefits greatly outweight the disadvantages. We have three acres with a couple of horses. We've had fresh tomatoes for a couple of weeks now, but we don't do the garden thing otherwise. However, there are plenty of places to purchase fresh-picked produce around here. When you walk outside at night and see the sky ablaze with stars, you realize what a truly remarkable world we live in. Really helps with the attitude! Sorry, but I don't think I could ever be a city dweller again! -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:22 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am so incredibally jealous of you!!! That's my little dream, land and sweet smelling air and trees and animals and privacy. I want to go home after work, sit on a large porch that wraps around my house, put my feet up, listen to some sweet James Taylor, smoke a grit and drink an ice cold beer and watch the sun go down:) Anyway, back to reality:( -Original Message- Dave Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This is why I have chosen to live in a rural community so that I can have a huge garden and many fruit trees. And for the meat eaters, you can hunt Deer, turkey, pheasant and many other critters. This way I know that my produce has no chemicals and does not get picked until ripe. I just picked my first tomatoes yesterday. I had lived in places like Chicago and San Francisco but got tired of the traffic and the high cost of living. Yes, I make less than my counter parts from the big cities but my costs are less. But more importanly, I live in a place where I can walk out my backdoor and see nothing but fields and forest. It's the greatest cure for stress!! Dave -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rachel, Do you have the 'Farmer's markets' in NY like we have here in CA? (where farmers freight and sell their farm-grown veggies and fruits in a specially agreed upon place/schedule) Have *entirely* stopped buying veggies/fruits from the grocery store since the farmer's markets opened this Spring. Will miss them in Fall/Winter though I did go down to a farm and hand-picked berries in NJ when we were there. Is it worth the drive down the turnpike? John Kanagaraj >-Original Message- >From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:17 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > > >Ian, > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for >how you seem >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just >living with that >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a >child must be >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in >case he got >hurt". > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I >tend to frequent >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy >in stores. Even >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I >have converted >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries >again, he tried >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > >Rachel > > >>From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 >> >>So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the >life expectancy >>of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild >>blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter >than the store >>bought ones. >> >>Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an >article store >>bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose >of fruit is to >>be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system >intact to be >>planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the >more animals >>are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny. >> >>As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with >commercia
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Work? Yes a well trimmed lawn is a lot of work. I don't need tons of land, just some trees and privacy and peace and quiet. I hate city living and could never do it, I have friends that live in Jersey City and Hoboken and I just don't understand why they would want to. You could get a house for what these people pay to rent a one bedroom. Yuck!!! kk -Original Message- Judy Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, but you have to understand that those animals, trees, and garden take lots of work! You have considerably less time to sit on your porch and drink an ice cold beer! Of course, it's just that much better when you do! Seriously, I'm in the same boat as Dave, and the benefits greatly outweight the disadvantages. We have three acres with a couple of horses. We've had fresh tomatoes for a couple of weeks now, but we don't do the garden thing otherwise. However, there are plenty of places to purchase fresh-picked produce around here. When you walk outside at night and see the sky ablaze with stars, you realize what a truly remarkable world we live in. Really helps with the attitude! Sorry, but I don't think I could ever be a city dweller again! -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:22 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am so incredibally jealous of you!!! That's my little dream, land and sweet smelling air and trees and animals and privacy. I want to go home after work, sit on a large porch that wraps around my house, put my feet up, listen to some sweet James Taylor, smoke a grit and drink an ice cold beer and watch the sun go down:) Anyway, back to reality:( -Original Message- Dave Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This is why I have chosen to live in a rural community so that I can have a huge garden and many fruit trees. And for the meat eaters, you can hunt Deer, turkey, pheasant and many other critters. This way I know that my produce has no chemicals and does not get picked until ripe. I just picked my first tomatoes yesterday. I had lived in places like Chicago and San Francisco but got tired of the traffic and the high cost of living. Yes, I make less than my counter parts from the big cities but my costs are less. But more importanly, I live in a place where I can walk out my backdoor and see nothing but fields and forest. It's the greatest cure for stress!! Dave -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rachel, Do you have the 'Farmer's markets' in NY like we have here in CA? (where farmers freight and sell their farm-grown veggies and fruits in a specially agreed upon place/schedule) Have *entirely* stopped buying veggies/fruits from the grocery store since the farmer's markets opened this Spring. Will miss them in Fall/Winter though I did go down to a farm and hand-picked berries in NJ when we were there. Is it worth the drive down the turnpike? John Kanagaraj >-Original Message- >From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:17 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > > >Ian, > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for >how you seem >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just >living with that >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a >child must be >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in >case he got >hurt". > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I >tend to frequent >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy >in stores. Even >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I >have converted >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries >again, he tried >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > >Rachel > > >>From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 >> >>So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the >life expectancy >>of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild >>blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter >than the store >>bought ones. >> >>Where in a reputable p
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>Judy wrote; >Yes, but you have to understand that those animals, trees, and garden take >lots of work! You have considerably less time to sit on your porch and >drink an ice cold beer! Of course, it's just that much better when you do! I could not have said it better. Gardening is like therapy to me. When I do some hoeing, I just imagine the weeds as members of damagement or some of the bad (L)users and start hacking. It does wonders for the spirit. Some good beer helps, and in Wisconsin, there is plenty. ;) Dave -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, but you have to understand that those animals, trees, and garden take lots of work! You have considerably less time to sit on your porch and drink an ice cold beer! Of course, it's just that much better when you do! Seriously, I'm in the same boat as Dave, and the benefits greatly outweight the disadvantages. We have three acres with a couple of horses. We've had fresh tomatoes for a couple of weeks now, but we don't do the garden thing otherwise. However, there are plenty of places to purchase fresh-picked produce around here. When you walk outside at night and see the sky ablaze with stars, you realize what a truly remarkable world we live in. Really helps with the attitude! Sorry, but I don't think I could ever be a city dweller again! -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:22 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am so incredibally jealous of you!!! That's my little dream, land and sweet smelling air and trees and animals and privacy. I want to go home after work, sit on a large porch that wraps around my house, put my feet up, listen to some sweet James Taylor, smoke a grit and drink an ice cold beer and watch the sun go down:) Anyway, back to reality:( -Original Message- Dave Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This is why I have chosen to live in a rural community so that I can have a huge garden and many fruit trees. And for the meat eaters, you can hunt Deer, turkey, pheasant and many other critters. This way I know that my produce has no chemicals and does not get picked until ripe. I just picked my first tomatoes yesterday. I had lived in places like Chicago and San Francisco but got tired of the traffic and the high cost of living. Yes, I make less than my counter parts from the big cities but my costs are less. But more importanly, I live in a place where I can walk out my backdoor and see nothing but fields and forest. It's the greatest cure for stress!! Dave -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rachel, Do you have the 'Farmer's markets' in NY like we have here in CA? (where farmers freight and sell their farm-grown veggies and fruits in a specially agreed upon place/schedule) Have *entirely* stopped buying veggies/fruits from the grocery store since the farmer's markets opened this Spring. Will miss them in Fall/Winter though I did go down to a farm and hand-picked berries in NJ when we were there. Is it worth the drive down the turnpike? John Kanagaraj >-Original Message- >From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:17 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > > >Ian, > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for >how you seem >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just >living with that >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a >child must be >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in >case he got >hurt". > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I >tend to frequent >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy >in stores. Even >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I >have converted >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries >again, he tried >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > >Rachel > > >>From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 >> >>So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the >life expectancy >>of early hominids? I don't know about Maine
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There are a few studies that indicate our pre-agro ancestors did ALL the work for eating..hunting...killing...cooking...cleaning and eating in about 3 hours daily..that leaves alot of time to smell the roses. Now...the neolithic farmers, on the other hand, spent considerable time farming ( and tending roses! :) -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 8/1/2001 1:46 PM >Judy wrote; >Yes, but you have to understand that those animals, trees, and garden take >lots of work! You have considerably less time to sit on your porch and >drink an ice cold beer! Of course, it's just that much better when you do! I could not have said it better. Gardening is like therapy to me. When I do some hoeing, I just imagine the weeds as members of damagement or some of the bad (L)users and start hacking. It does wonders for the spirit. Some good beer helps, and in Wisconsin, there is plenty. ;) Dave -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, but you have to understand that those animals, trees, and garden take lots of work! You have considerably less time to sit on your porch and drink an ice cold beer! Of course, it's just that much better when you do! Seriously, I'm in the same boat as Dave, and the benefits greatly outweight the disadvantages. We have three acres with a couple of horses. We've had fresh tomatoes for a couple of weeks now, but we don't do the garden thing otherwise. However, there are plenty of places to purchase fresh-picked produce around here. When you walk outside at night and see the sky ablaze with stars, you realize what a truly remarkable world we live in. Really helps with the attitude! Sorry, but I don't think I could ever be a city dweller again! -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:22 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am so incredibally jealous of you!!! That's my little dream, land and sweet smelling air and trees and animals and privacy. I want to go home after work, sit on a large porch that wraps around my house, put my feet up, listen to some sweet James Taylor, smoke a grit and drink an ice cold beer and watch the sun go down:) Anyway, back to reality:( -Original Message- Dave Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This is why I have chosen to live in a rural community so that I can have a huge garden and many fruit trees. And for the meat eaters, you can hunt Deer, turkey, pheasant and many other critters. This way I know that my produce has no chemicals and does not get picked until ripe. I just picked my first tomatoes yesterday. I had lived in places like Chicago and San Francisco but got tired of the traffic and the high cost of living. Yes, I make less than my counter parts from the big cities but my costs are less. But more importanly, I live in a place where I can walk out my backdoor and see nothing but fields and forest. It's the greatest cure for stress!! Dave -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rachel, Do you have the 'Farmer's markets' in NY like we have here in CA? (where farmers freight and sell their farm-grown veggies and fruits in a specially agreed upon place/schedule) Have *entirely* stopped buying veggies/fruits from the grocery store since the farmer's markets opened this Spring. Will miss them in Fall/Winter though I did go down to a farm and hand-picked berries in NJ when we were there. Is it worth the drive down the turnpike? John Kanagaraj >-Original Message- >From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:17 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > > >Ian, > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for >how you seem >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just >living with that >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a >child must be >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in >case he got >hurt". > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I >tend to frequent >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy >in stores. Even >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I >have converted >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries >again, he tried >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > >Rachel > > >>From: "MacGregor, Ian A."
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I kind of have the best of both worlds. For those who live in Portland you know what I mean. I live in the city but I drive a short distance away and I am in the woods. I always wonder why the hell I climb mountains until I am out there and look around. Especially when you start at midnight for a summit climb. The stars are just so bright. Matter of fact that is where I am heading this weekend. Hopefully I don't fall into a crevasse out on Rainer as I am watching the stars. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:16 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, but you have to understand that those animals, trees, and garden take lots of work! You have considerably less time to sit on your porch and drink an ice cold beer! Of course, it's just that much better when you do! Seriously, I'm in the same boat as Dave, and the benefits greatly outweight the disadvantages. We have three acres with a couple of horses. We've had fresh tomatoes for a couple of weeks now, but we don't do the garden thing otherwise. However, there are plenty of places to purchase fresh-picked produce around here. When you walk outside at night and see the sky ablaze with stars, you realize what a truly remarkable world we live in. Really helps with the attitude! Sorry, but I don't think I could ever be a city dweller again! -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:22 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am so incredibally jealous of you!!! That's my little dream, land and sweet smelling air and trees and animals and privacy. I want to go home after work, sit on a large porch that wraps around my house, put my feet up, listen to some sweet James Taylor, smoke a grit and drink an ice cold beer and watch the sun go down:) Anyway, back to reality:( -Original Message- Dave Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This is why I have chosen to live in a rural community so that I can have a huge garden and many fruit trees. And for the meat eaters, you can hunt Deer, turkey, pheasant and many other critters. This way I know that my produce has no chemicals and does not get picked until ripe. I just picked my first tomatoes yesterday. I had lived in places like Chicago and San Francisco but got tired of the traffic and the high cost of living. Yes, I make less than my counter parts from the big cities but my costs are less. But more importanly, I live in a place where I can walk out my backdoor and see nothing but fields and forest. It's the greatest cure for stress!! Dave -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rachel, Do you have the 'Farmer's markets' in NY like we have here in CA? (where farmers freight and sell their farm-grown veggies and fruits in a specially agreed upon place/schedule) Have *entirely* stopped buying veggies/fruits from the grocery store since the farmer's markets opened this Spring. Will miss them in Fall/Winter though I did go down to a farm and hand-picked berries in NJ when we were there. Is it worth the drive down the turnpike? John Kanagaraj >-Original Message- >From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:17 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > > >Ian, > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for >how you seem >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just >living with that >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a >child must be >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in >case he got >hurt". > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I >tend to frequent >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy >in stores. Even >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I >have converted >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries >again, he tried >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > >Rachel > > >>From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 >> >>So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the >life expectancy >>of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild >>blueberries in N
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Rachel, thank you very much. Kassie, my daugter, is not severley autistic. She doesn't sit in a corner rocking continuously; she is not high-functioning either, her language is limited to a few words and the rare phrase. She is four. The hardest thing about autism is that many kids appear to be developing normally and even show exceptional skills. Kassie knew all the letters of the alphabet by 18 months, and would enliven Scrabble contests by looking at the tiles on the racks, and saying exuberantly, "Got the Q", or "Got the X" when it appeared. Then almost overnight those skills vanish. Some immediately, others evanesce, but they too fade to nothing. I am lucky enough to work for at a very supportive organization, and live in one of the best school districts in the country. Kassie has been in a in home applied behavior analysis program for about a year, and speech therapy for a few months. Her smiles have become much more frequent, she is one again learning, albeit slowly. She will start attending a special district preschool later this month. Ian -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:17 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Ian, You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you seem to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with that as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got hurt". You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I tend to frequent the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy in stores. Even then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I have converted one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries again, he tried some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. Rachel >From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 > >So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the life expectancy >of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild >blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter than the store >bought ones. > >Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an article store >bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose of fruit is to >be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system intact to be >planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the more animals >are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny. > >As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with commercial >produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported >unbruised. It doesn't taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree. > > >My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten free diet. >It seems to have done her some good; her attentiveness has increased and >her perserveration has dropped. My wife swears it has; I lean more towards >non-casual coincidence, but I don't want to give her bread pudding in case >I'm wrong. You won't believe how many things have gluten and cassein. >Gluten is not naturally found in corn, but it's in corn flakes. Most soy >cheeses have cassein in them so they melt like dairy cheeses. It is very >difficult to keep on such a diet, taking all grains out of the diet would >be harder still. > >Autism is a multi-genetic disorder; i.e, more than one gene is involved. >Latest evidence is that the genes express themselves about the first month >of pregnancy. In the future it will be detectable via amniocentesis, much >like trisomy 13 is today. For a parent it becomes noticeable somewhere >between 15 months and two years. > >So what does this have to do with cassein and gluten. There are >double-blind studies which indicate some children do better on such a >diet. > > >I like to think the experience has made me a better person. Before, when a >developmentally-disabled child walked into a room I'd act like the kid was >contagious. > > >Ian MacGregor >Stanford Linear Accelerator Center >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > >-Original Message- >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:12 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >http://www.healingcrow.com/dietsmain/paleo/paleo.html > >-Origina
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Rachel, You need to try strawberries, warm from the sun, wet from the irrigation system, with the light dusty dirt still crunching on them. April -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:17 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Ian, You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you seem to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with that as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got hurt". You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I tend to frequent the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy in stores. Even then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I have converted one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries again, he tried some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. Rachel >From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 > >So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the life expectancy >of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild >blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter than the store >bought ones. > >Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an article store >bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose of fruit is to >be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system intact to be >planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the more animals >are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny. > >As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with commercial >produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported >unbruised. It doesn't taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree. > > >My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten free diet. >It seems to have done her some good; her attentiveness has increased and >her perserveration has dropped. My wife swears it has; I lean more towards >non-casual coincidence, but I don't want to give her bread pudding in case >I'm wrong. You won't believe how many things have gluten and cassein. >Gluten is not naturally found in corn, but it's in corn flakes. Most soy >cheeses have cassein in them so they melt like dairy cheeses. It is very >difficult to keep on such a diet, taking all grains out of the diet would >be harder still. > >Autism is a multi-genetic disorder; i.e, more than one gene is involved. >Latest evidence is that the genes express themselves about the first month >of pregnancy. In the future it will be detectable via amniocentesis, much >like trisomy 13 is today. For a parent it becomes noticeable somewhere >between 15 months and two years. > >So what does this have to do with cassein and gluten. There are >double-blind studies which indicate some children do better on such a >diet. > > >I like to think the experience has made me a better person. Before, when a >developmentally-disabled child walked into a room I'd act like the kid was >contagious. > > >Ian MacGregor >Stanford Linear Accelerator Center >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > >-Original Message- >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:12 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >http://www.healingcrow.com/dietsmain/paleo/paleo.html > >-Original Message- >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:36 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Blah, I did not work my way to the top of the food chain to be a >vegatarian. > >"Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if >both are frozen." > >Christopher R. Spence >Oracle DBA >Fuelspot > > > >-Original Message- >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:01 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Save the animals - eat a PETAn!!! > >--Scott > > >love doing this: >PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals. > >joe > >_ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Scott Shafer > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-
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Linenkugels! (Not sure I spelled it right, but loved it!) -Original Message- Dave Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:47 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >Judy wrote; >Yes, but you have to understand that those animals, trees, and garden take >lots of work! You have considerably less time to sit on your porch and >drink an ice cold beer! Of course, it's just that much better when you do! I could not have said it better. Gardening is like therapy to me. When I do some hoeing, I just imagine the weeds as members of damagement or some of the bad (L)users and start hacking. It does wonders for the spirit. Some good beer helps, and in Wisconsin, there is plenty. ;) Dave -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, but you have to understand that those animals, trees, and garden take lots of work! You have considerably less time to sit on your porch and drink an ice cold beer! Of course, it's just that much better when you do! Seriously, I'm in the same boat as Dave, and the benefits greatly outweight the disadvantages. We have three acres with a couple of horses. We've had fresh tomatoes for a couple of weeks now, but we don't do the garden thing otherwise. However, there are plenty of places to purchase fresh-picked produce around here. When you walk outside at night and see the sky ablaze with stars, you realize what a truly remarkable world we live in. Really helps with the attitude! Sorry, but I don't think I could ever be a city dweller again! -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:22 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am so incredibally jealous of you!!! That's my little dream, land and sweet smelling air and trees and animals and privacy. I want to go home after work, sit on a large porch that wraps around my house, put my feet up, listen to some sweet James Taylor, smoke a grit and drink an ice cold beer and watch the sun go down:) Anyway, back to reality:( -Original Message- Dave Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This is why I have chosen to live in a rural community so that I can have a huge garden and many fruit trees. And for the meat eaters, you can hunt Deer, turkey, pheasant and many other critters. This way I know that my produce has no chemicals and does not get picked until ripe. I just picked my first tomatoes yesterday. I had lived in places like Chicago and San Francisco but got tired of the traffic and the high cost of living. Yes, I make less than my counter parts from the big cities but my costs are less. But more importanly, I live in a place where I can walk out my backdoor and see nothing but fields and forest. It's the greatest cure for stress!! Dave -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rachel, Do you have the 'Farmer's markets' in NY like we have here in CA? (where farmers freight and sell their farm-grown veggies and fruits in a specially agreed upon place/schedule) Have *entirely* stopped buying veggies/fruits from the grocery store since the farmer's markets opened this Spring. Will miss them in Fall/Winter though I did go down to a farm and hand-picked berries in NJ when we were there. Is it worth the drive down the turnpike? John Kanagaraj >-Original Message- >From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:17 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > > >Ian, > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for >how you seem >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just >living with that >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a >child must be >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in >case he got >hurt". > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I >tend to frequent >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy >in stores. Even >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I >have converted >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries >again, he tried >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > >Rachel > > >>From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >>Date: Tue, 31
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Kevin, You know a good beer! I have been on their brewery tour a few times. My favorite flavors are Leinenkugel's Original, Honey Weiss or their bock beer. http://www.leinie.com/index.html -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:32 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Linenkugels! (Not sure I spelled it right, but loved it!) -Original Message- Dave Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:47 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >Judy wrote; >Yes, but you have to understand that those animals, trees, and garden take >lots of work! You have considerably less time to sit on your porch and >drink an ice cold beer! Of course, it's just that much better when you do! I could not have said it better. Gardening is like therapy to me. When I do some hoeing, I just imagine the weeds as members of damagement or some of the bad (L)users and start hacking. It does wonders for the spirit. Some good beer helps, and in Wisconsin, there is plenty. ;) Dave -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, but you have to understand that those animals, trees, and garden take lots of work! You have considerably less time to sit on your porch and drink an ice cold beer! Of course, it's just that much better when you do! Seriously, I'm in the same boat as Dave, and the benefits greatly outweight the disadvantages. We have three acres with a couple of horses. We've had fresh tomatoes for a couple of weeks now, but we don't do the garden thing otherwise. However, there are plenty of places to purchase fresh-picked produce around here. When you walk outside at night and see the sky ablaze with stars, you realize what a truly remarkable world we live in. Really helps with the attitude! Sorry, but I don't think I could ever be a city dweller again! -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:22 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am so incredibally jealous of you!!! That's my little dream, land and sweet smelling air and trees and animals and privacy. I want to go home after work, sit on a large porch that wraps around my house, put my feet up, listen to some sweet James Taylor, smoke a grit and drink an ice cold beer and watch the sun go down:) Anyway, back to reality:( -Original Message- Dave Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This is why I have chosen to live in a rural community so that I can have a huge garden and many fruit trees. And for the meat eaters, you can hunt Deer, turkey, pheasant and many other critters. This way I know that my produce has no chemicals and does not get picked until ripe. I just picked my first tomatoes yesterday. I had lived in places like Chicago and San Francisco but got tired of the traffic and the high cost of living. Yes, I make less than my counter parts from the big cities but my costs are less. But more importanly, I live in a place where I can walk out my backdoor and see nothing but fields and forest. It's the greatest cure for stress!! Dave -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rachel, Do you have the 'Farmer's markets' in NY like we have here in CA? (where farmers freight and sell their farm-grown veggies and fruits in a specially agreed upon place/schedule) Have *entirely* stopped buying veggies/fruits from the grocery store since the farmer's markets opened this Spring. Will miss them in Fall/Winter though I did go down to a farm and hand-picked berries in NJ when we were there. Is it worth the drive down the turnpike? John Kanagaraj >-Original Message- >From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:17 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > > >Ian, > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for >how you seem >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just >living with that >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a >child must be >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in >case he got >hurt". > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I >tend to frequent >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy >in stores. Even >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I >have converted >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries >again, he tried >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinc
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> I just picked > my first tomatoes yesterday. You need to move farther south. We had some for our 4th of July family dinner. :) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Page, Bruce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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April, Okay, now tell me WHERE I can get those? The ones from the greenmarket are already insanely wonderful, I'm not sure I could stand anything more intense :) Rachel >From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:37:19 -0800 > >Rachel, > >You need to try strawberries, warm from the sun, wet from the irrigation >system, with the light dusty dirt still crunching on them. > >April > >-Original Message- >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:17 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Ian, > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you seem >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with >that > >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got >hurt". > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I tend to >frequent > >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy in stores. >Even > >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I have converted >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries again, he >tried > >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > >Rachel > > > >From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 > > > >So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the life expectancy > >of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild > >blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter than the >store > >bought ones. > > > >Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an article store > >bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose of fruit is >to > >be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system intact to be > >planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the more >animals > >are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny. > > > >As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with commercial > >produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported > >unbruised. It doesn't taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree. > > > > > >My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten free diet. > >It seems to have done her some good; her attentiveness has increased and > >her perserveration has dropped. My wife swears it has; I lean more >towards > > >non-casual coincidence, but I don't want to give her bread pudding in >case > > >I'm wrong. You won't believe how many things have gluten and cassein. > >Gluten is not naturally found in corn, but it's in corn flakes. Most soy > >cheeses have cassein in them so they melt like dairy cheeses. It is >very > >difficult to keep on such a diet, taking all grains out of the diet >would > > >be harder still. > > > >Autism is a multi-genetic disorder; i.e, more than one gene is involved. > >Latest evidence is that the genes express themselves about the first >month > > >of pregnancy. In the future it will be detectable via amniocentesis, >much > >like trisomy 13 is today. For a parent it becomes noticeable somewhere > >between 15 months and two years. > > > >So what does this have to do with cassein and gluten. There are > >double-blind studies which indicate some children do better on such a > >diet. > > > > > >I like to think the experience has made me a better person. Before, when >a > > >developmentally-disabled child walked into a room I'd act like the kid >was > >contagious. > > > > > >Ian MacGregor > >Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Original Message- > >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:12 PM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > >http://www.healingcrow.com/dietsmai
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While you're at it, April, could you tell me where I could get about 80 pounds of those strawberries? The frozen ones I've been using to make wine are not quite what I have hoped they'd be. David -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L April, Okay, now tell me WHERE I can get those? The ones from the greenmarket are already insanely wonderful, I'm not sure I could stand anything more intense :) Rachel >From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:37:19 -0800 > >Rachel, > >You need to try strawberries, warm from the sun, wet from the irrigation >system, with the light dusty dirt still crunching on them. > >April > >-Original Message- >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:17 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Ian, > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you seem >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with >that > >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got >hurt". > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I tend to >frequent > >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy in stores. >Even > >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I have converted >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries again, he >tried > >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > >Rachel > > > >From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 > > > >So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the life expectancy > >of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild > >blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter than the >store > >bought ones. > > > >Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an article store > >bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose of fruit is >to > >be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system intact to be > >planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the more >animals > >are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny. > > > >As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with commercial > >produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported > >unbruised. It doesn't taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree. > > > > > >My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten free diet. > >It seems to have done her some good; her attentiveness has increased and > >her perserveration has dropped. My wife swears it has; I lean more >towards > > >non-casual coincidence, but I don't want to give her bread pudding in >case > > >I'm wrong. You won't believe how many things have gluten and cassein. > >Gluten is not naturally found in corn, but it's in corn flakes. Most soy > >cheeses have cassein in them so they melt like dairy cheeses. It is >very > >difficult to keep on such a diet, taking all grains out of the diet >would > > >be harder still. > > > >Autism is a multi-genetic disorder; i.e, more than one gene is involved. > >Latest evidence is that the genes express themselves about the first >month > > >of pregnancy. In the future it will be detectable via amniocentesis, >much > >like trisomy 13 is today. For a parent it becomes noticeable somewhere > >between 15 months and two years. > > > >So what does this have to do with cassein and gluten. There are > >double-blind studies which indicate some children do better on such a > >diet. > > > > > >I like to think the experience has made me a better person. Before, when >a > > >developmentally-disabled child walked into a room I'd act like the kid >was > >contagious. > > > > > >Ian MacGregor > >Stanford Linear Accelerator Center >
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Canteberry Acres farm Nutt Road Grove City Pennsylvania They were the farm next door when I was growing up. Charles Hamilton owner/operator... It was heavenly. I worked for him for 10 years clipping blossoms & picking berries. It was then that I learned why you run your irrigation systems when there is frost in the early spring... =) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L While you're at it, April, could you tell me where I could get about 80 pounds of those strawberries? The frozen ones I've been using to make wine are not quite what I have hoped they'd be. David -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L April, Okay, now tell me WHERE I can get those? The ones from the greenmarket are already insanely wonderful, I'm not sure I could stand anything more intense :) Rachel >From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:37:19 -0800 > >Rachel, > >You need to try strawberries, warm from the sun, wet from the irrigation >system, with the light dusty dirt still crunching on them. > >April > >-Original Message- >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:17 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Ian, > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you seem >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with >that > >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got >hurt". > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I tend to >frequent > >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy in stores. >Even > >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I have converted >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries again, he >tried > >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > >Rachel > > > >From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 > > > >So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the life expectancy > >of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild > >blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter than the >store > >bought ones. > > > >Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an article store > >bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose of fruit is >to > >be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system intact to be > >planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the more >animals > >are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny. > > > >As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with commercial > >produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported > >unbruised. It doesn't taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree. > > > > > >My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten free diet. > >It seems to have done her some good; her attentiveness has increased and > >her perserveration has dropped. My wife swears it has; I lean more >towards > > >non-casual coincidence, but I don't want to give her bread pudding in >case > > >I'm wrong. You won't believe how many things have gluten and cassein. > >Gluten is not naturally found in corn, but it's in corn flakes. Most soy > >cheeses have cassein in them so they melt like dairy cheeses. It is >very > >difficult to keep on such a diet, taking all grains out of the diet >would > > >be harder still. > > > >Autism is a multi-genetic disorder; i.e, more than one gene is involved. > >Latest evidence is that the genes express themselves about the first >month > > >of pregnancy. In the future it will be detectable via amniocentesis, >much > >like trisomy 13 is today. For a parent it becomes noticeable somewhere > >between 15 months and two years. > > > >So what does th
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Rachel, When I worked at Rockwell in Anaheim (Southern California - sort of a suburb of Los Angeles), I used to drive right past a strawberry field every night on my way home from work. Most of the berries would be picked and shipped to market or wherever but there was always a small stand at the edge of the field where you could stop and buy direct from the grower. It was strange to find a strawberry field in the middle of the city. That was fifteen years ago. I'm not sure if it's still there - what with the high price of real estate in that area. Anyway, the taste was just as April described it. Warm and damp and flavorful. The smell alone would make me stop. Every summer I long for those strawberries and I've yet to find anything close here in the Midwest. Cherie Machler nostalgic for a few things about Southern California - like the produce markets "Rachel Carmichael" To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Sent by: Largest root@fatcity. com 08/01/01 03:15 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L April, Okay, now tell me WHERE I can get those? The ones from the greenmarket are already insanely wonderful, I'm not sure I could stand anything more intense :) Rachel >From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:37:19 -0800 > >Rachel, > >You need to try strawberries, warm from the sun, wet from the irrigation >system, with the light dusty dirt still crunching on them. > >April > >-Original Message- >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:17 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Ian, > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you seem >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with >that > >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got >hurt". > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I tend to >frequent > >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy in stores. >Even > >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I have converted >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries again, he >tried > >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > >Rachel > > > >From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 > > > >So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the life expectancy > >of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild > >blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter than the >store > >
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This past weekend I had the opportunity to ride my motorcycle through Watsonville, in mid California. Right on the coast, just a bit south of Santa Cruz. The migrant workers were 'out in force' picking the strawberries for this weekend's festival. A warm wind from sea on a sunny day, mixed with the sweet-tart aroma of fresh strawberries, made it irresistible to stop. It is fun (and very dangerous) to eat those strawberries on a motorcycle at 60 miles an hour. But the basket did not last long enough to get back into San Jose. About 45 miles until the last berry. Damn it was good! Daniel Curry Systems Administrator CGtime, Inc. 625 Second Street Suite 201 San Francisco, CA 94107 ph: 415-348-6516 fx: 415-348-6505 cell: 510-304-7889 -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 2:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest Rachel, When I worked at Rockwell in Anaheim (Southern California - sort of a suburb of Los Angeles), I used to drive right past a strawberry field every night on my way home from work. Most of the berries would be picked and shipped to market or wherever but there was always a small stand at the edge of the field where you could stop and buy direct from the grower. It was strange to find a strawberry field in the middle of the city. That was fifteen years ago. I'm not sure if it's still there - what with the high price of real estate in that area. Anyway, the taste was just as April described it. Warm and damp and flavorful. The smell alone would make me stop. Every summer I long for those strawberries and I've yet to find anything close here in the Midwest. Cherie Machler nostalgic for a few things about Southern California - like the produce markets "Rachel Carmichael" To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Sent by: Largest root@fatcity. com 08/01/01 03:15 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L April, Okay, now tell me WHERE I can get those? The ones from the greenmarket are already insanely wonderful, I'm not sure I could stand anything more intense :) Rachel >From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:37:19 -0800 > >Rachel, > >You need to try strawberries, warm from the sun, wet from the irrigation >system, with the light dusty dirt still crunching on them. > >April > >-Original Message- >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:17 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Ian, > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you seem >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with >that > >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got >hurt". > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I tend to >frequent > >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy in stores. >Even > >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I have converted >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries again, he >tried > >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > >Rachel > > > >From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 > > > >So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the life expectancy > >of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild > >blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter than the >store > >bought ones. > > > >Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an article store > >bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose of fruit is >to > >be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system intact to be > >planted with a li
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Are they still there? anyone up for a field trip? :) >From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:22:02 -0800 > >Canteberry Acres farm > >Nutt Road > >Grove City Pennsylvania > >They were the farm next door when I was growing up. Charles Hamilton >owner/operator... It was heavenly. I worked for him for 10 years clipping >blossoms & picking berries. It was then that I learned why you run your >irrigation systems when there is frost in the early spring... > >=) > >-Original Message- >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:02 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >While you're at it, April, could you tell me where I could get about 80 >pounds of those strawberries? The frozen ones I've been using to make wine >are not quite what I have hoped they'd be. > >David > >-Original Message- >Carmichael >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:16 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >April, > >Okay, now tell me WHERE I can get those? The ones from the greenmarket are >already insanely wonderful, I'm not sure I could stand anything more >intense >:) > >Rachel > > > >From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:37:19 -0800 > > > >Rachel, > > > >You need to try strawberries, warm from the sun, wet from the irrigation > >system, with the light dusty dirt still crunching on them. > > > >April > > > >-Original Message- > >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:17 AM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > >Ian, > > > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you >seem > >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with > >that > > > >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be > >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who > >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got > >hurt". > > > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of > >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I tend to > >frequent > > > >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy in stores. > >Even > > > >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I have >converted > >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries again, he > >tried > > > >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > > > >Rachel > > > > > > >From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 > > > > > >So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the life >expectancy > > >of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild > > >blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter than the > >store > > >bought ones. > > > > > >Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an article >store > > >bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose of fruit is > >to > > >be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system intact to be > > >planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the more > >animals > > >are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny. > > > > > >As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with commercial > > >produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported > > >unbruised. It doesn't taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree. > > > > > > > > >My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten free >diet. > > >It seems to have done her some good; her attentiveness has increased >and > > >her perserveration has dropped. My wife swears it has; I lean more > >towards > > > > >non-casual coin
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Title: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > When I worked at Rockwell in Anaheim (Southern California - sort of a > suburb of Los Angeles), > I used to drive right past a strawberry field every night on > my way home > from work. ... > > It was strange to find a strawberry field in the middle of > the city. That > was fifteen years ago. > I'm not sure if it's still there - what with the high price > of real estate in that area. Suburb of LA? Orange County, California, USA is more than an appendage of our large neighbour to the north! (splashing cold water on my face to quench the steam escaping from my nostrils) There are still strawberry fields in Orange County, as a matter of fact there's one less than 2 miles from my house. Of course, it's a little disconcerting in this part of the world to walk three blocks from a 20-story building (which, in parentheses, hosts the local Oracle sales office) and see a large agricultural field.
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Thanks, April. So why do you run your irrigation systems when there is frost in the early spring? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 2:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Canteberry Acres farm Nutt Road Grove City Pennsylvania They were the farm next door when I was growing up. Charles Hamilton owner/operator... It was heavenly. I worked for him for 10 years clipping blossoms & picking berries. It was then that I learned why you run your irrigation systems when there is frost in the early spring... =) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L While you're at it, April, could you tell me where I could get about 80 pounds of those strawberries? The frozen ones I've been using to make wine are not quite what I have hoped they'd be. David -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L April, Okay, now tell me WHERE I can get those? The ones from the greenmarket are already insanely wonderful, I'm not sure I could stand anything more intense :) Rachel >From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:37:19 -0800 > >Rachel, > >You need to try strawberries, warm from the sun, wet from the irrigation >system, with the light dusty dirt still crunching on them. > >April > >-Original Message- >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:17 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Ian, > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you seem >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with >that > >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got >hurt". > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I tend to >frequent > >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy in stores. >Even > >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I have converted >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries again, he >tried > >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > >Rachel > > > >From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 > > > >So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the life expectancy > >of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild > >blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter than the >store > >bought ones. > > > >Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an article store > >bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose of fruit is >to > >be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system intact to be > >planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the more >animals > >are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny. > > > >As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with commercial > >produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported > >unbruised. It doesn't taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree. > > > > > >My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten free diet. > >It seems to have done her some good; her attentiveness has increased and > >her perserveration has dropped. My wife swears it has; I lean more >towards > > >non-casual coincidence, but I don't want to give her bread pudding in >case > > >I'm wrong. You won't believe how many things have gluten and cassein. > >Gluten is not naturally found in corn, but it's in corn flakes. Most soy > >cheeses have cassein in them so they melt like dairy cheeses. It is >very > >difficult to keep on such a diet, taking all grains out of the diet >would > > >be harder still. > > > >Autism is a multi-genetic disorder; i.e, more than one gene is involved. > >Latest evidence is that the genes express themselves about the first >month > > >of pregnancy. In the future
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2001,David Messer scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: ->Thanks, April. -> ->So why do you run your irrigation systems when there is frost in the early ->spring? to cover the plants with ice and keep them from freezing. -- Bill Thater ORACLE DBA Telergy,Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's got to come from the heart if you want it to work! Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later. - Brook -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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There are some farmers who will let you visit their farm and let you pick some berries. I assume you need to pay a fee. A friend of mine invited me to go berry-picking with her passed Saturday. I could not make it because I had to work.. But if someone is interested there probably are some farms like that around your area. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 5:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Are they still there? anyone up for a field trip? :) >From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:22:02 -0800 > >Canteberry Acres farm > >Nutt Road > >Grove City Pennsylvania > >They were the farm next door when I was growing up. Charles Hamilton >owner/operator... It was heavenly. I worked for him for 10 years clipping >blossoms & picking berries. It was then that I learned why you run your >irrigation systems when there is frost in the early spring... > >=) > >-Original Message- >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:02 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >While you're at it, April, could you tell me where I could get about 80 >pounds of those strawberries? The frozen ones I've been using to make wine >are not quite what I have hoped they'd be. > >David > >-Original Message- >Carmichael >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:16 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >April, > >Okay, now tell me WHERE I can get those? The ones from the greenmarket are >already insanely wonderful, I'm not sure I could stand anything more >intense >:) > >Rachel > > > >From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:37:19 -0800 > > > >Rachel, > > > >You need to try strawberries, warm from the sun, wet from the irrigation > >system, with the light dusty dirt still crunching on them. > > > >April > > > >-Original Message- > >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:17 AM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > >Ian, > > > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you >seem > >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with > >that > > > >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be > >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who > >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got > >hurt". > > > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of > >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I tend to > >frequent > > > >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy in stores. > >Even > > > >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I have >converted > >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries again, he > >tried > > > >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > > > >Rachel > > > > > > >From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 > > > > > >So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the life >expectancy > > >of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild > > >blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter than the > >store > > >bought ones. > > > > > >Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an article >store > > >bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose of fruit is > >to > > >be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system intact to be > > >planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the more > >animals > > >are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny. > > > > > >As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with commercial > > >produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported &g
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No offence meant ...(!!) But I think this thread is about beat "Job in S.Arabia" ...:) ( Being a vegetarian I have a chip on my shoulder too!! Ha ..what the heck you are all family anyway ;) ) Cheers , RS __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Cherie, You guys are making me soo jealous. (and so hungry for fresh strawberries!) Rachel >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:38:35 -0800 > > >Rachel, > >When I worked at Rockwell in Anaheim (Southern California - sort of a >suburb of Los Angeles), >I used to drive right past a strawberry field every night on my way home >from work. Most of the berries >would be picked and shipped to market or wherever but there was always a >small stand at the >edge of the field where you could stop and buy direct from the grower. > >It was strange to find a strawberry field in the middle of the city. That >was fifteen years ago. >I'm not sure if it's still there - what with the high price of real estate >in that area. > >Anyway, the taste was just as April described it. Warm and damp and >flavorful. The smell alone >would make me stop. > >Every summer I long for those strawberries and I've yet to find anything >close here in the Midwest. > >Cherie Machler >nostalgic for a few things about Southern California - like the produce >markets > > > > > "Rachel > Carmichael" To: Multiple recipients of >list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > mail.com>Subject: RE: OT about to >peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: > Sent by: Largest > root@fatcity. > com > > > 08/01/01 > 03:15 PM > Please > respond to > ORACLE-L > > > > > > >April, > >Okay, now tell me WHERE I can get those? The ones from the greenmarket are > >already insanely wonderful, I'm not sure I could stand anything more >intense >:) > >Rachel > > > >From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:37:19 -0800 > > > >Rachel, > > > >You need to try strawberries, warm from the sun, wet from the irrigation > >system, with the light dusty dirt still crunching on them. > > > >April > > > >-Original Message- > >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:17 AM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > >Ian, > > > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you >seem > >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with > >that > > > >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be > >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who > >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got > >hurt". > > > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of > >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I tend to > >frequent > > > >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy in stores. > >Even > > > >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I have >converted > >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries again, he > >tried > > > >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > > > >Rachel > > > > > > >From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 > > > > > >So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the life >expectancy > > >of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild > > >blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter than the > >store > > >bought ones. > > > > > >Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an article >store > > >bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose of fruit is > >to > > >be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system intact to be > > >planted with a little fertili
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Here in Brisbane it is just getting into Strawberry season, We have a Strawberry festival this month and you get to eat heaps of strawberries cheap, unless you grow your own. Brisbane's main Show(fair) called the Ekka, is on as well this month and one of the favorite pastimes at the Ekka is eating strawberries Might go out and get some today Cheers Peter At 10:55 AM 2/08/2001, you wrote: >Cherie, > > >You guys are making me soo jealous. (and so hungry for fresh >strawberries!) > >Rachel > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >>Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:38:35 -0800 >> >> >>Rachel, >> >>When I worked at Rockwell in Anaheim (Southern California - sort of a >>suburb of Los Angeles), >>I used to drive right past a strawberry field every night on my way home >>from work. Most of the berries >>would be picked and shipped to market or wherever but there was always a >>small stand at the >>edge of the field where you could stop and buy direct from the grower. >> >>It was strange to find a strawberry field in the middle of the city. That >>was fifteen years ago. >>I'm not sure if it's still there - what with the high price of real estate >>in that area. >> >>Anyway, the taste was just as April described it. Warm and damp and >>flavorful. The smell alone >>would make me stop. >> >>Every summer I long for those strawberries and I've yet to find anything >>close here in the Midwest. >> >>Cherie Machler >>nostalgic for a few things about Southern California - like the produce >>markets >> >> >> >> >> "Rachel >> Carmichael" To: Multiple recipients of >> list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > mail.com>Subject: RE: OT about to >> peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: >> Sent by: Largest >> root@fatcity. >> com >> >> >> 08/01/01 >> 03:15 PM >> Please >> respond to >> ORACLE-L >> >> >> >> >> >> >>April, >> >>Okay, now tell me WHERE I can get those? The ones from the greenmarket are >> >>already insanely wonderful, I'm not sure I could stand anything more >>intense >>:) >> >>Rachel >> >> >> >From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >> >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:37:19 -0800 >> > >> >Rachel, >> > >> >You need to try strawberries, warm from the sun, wet from the irrigation >> >system, with the light dusty dirt still crunching on them. >> > >> >April >> > >> >-Original Message- >> >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:17 AM >> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >> > >> > >> >Ian, >> > >> >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you seem >> >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with >> >that >> > >> >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be >> >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who >> >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got >> >hurt". >> > >> >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of >> >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I tend to >> >frequent >> > >> >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy in stores. >> >Even >> > >> >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I have converted >> >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries again, he >> >tried >> > >> >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. >> > >> >Rachel >> > >> > >> > >From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >Reply-To:
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I guess thats one of the things we have going for us in little old England. Where I live in the North East of England (Northumberland to be precise) there are a whole host of farms where you can go and "pick your own" within between 5 and 20 minutes drive from my house. Aaaah! Lee -Original Message- Sent: 02 August 2001 01:55 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cherie, You guys are making me soo jealous. (and so hungry for fresh strawberries!) Rachel >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:38:35 -0800 > > >Rachel, > >When I worked at Rockwell in Anaheim (Southern California - sort of a >suburb of Los Angeles), >I used to drive right past a strawberry field every night on my way home >from work. Most of the berries >would be picked and shipped to market or wherever but there was always a >small stand at the >edge of the field where you could stop and buy direct from the grower. > >It was strange to find a strawberry field in the middle of the city. That >was fifteen years ago. >I'm not sure if it's still there - what with the high price of real estate >in that area. > >Anyway, the taste was just as April described it. Warm and damp and >flavorful. The smell alone >would make me stop. > >Every summer I long for those strawberries and I've yet to find anything >close here in the Midwest. > >Cherie Machler >nostalgic for a few things about Southern California - like the produce >markets > > > > > "Rachel > Carmichael" To: Multiple recipients of >list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > mail.com>Subject: RE: OT about to >peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: > Sent by: Largest > root@fatcity. > com > > > 08/01/01 > 03:15 PM > Please > respond to > ORACLE-L > > > > > > >April, > >Okay, now tell me WHERE I can get those? The ones from the greenmarket are > >already insanely wonderful, I'm not sure I could stand anything more >intense >:) > >Rachel > > > >From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:37:19 -0800 > > > >Rachel, > > > >You need to try strawberries, warm from the sun, wet from the irrigation > >system, with the light dusty dirt still crunching on them. > > > >April > > > >-Original Message- > >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:17 AM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > >Ian, > > > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you >seem > >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with > >that > > > >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be > >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who > >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got > >hurt". > > > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of > >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I tend to > >frequent > > > >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy in stores. > >Even > > > >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I have >converted > >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries again, he > >tried > > > >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > > > >Rachel > > > > > > >From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 > > > > > >So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the life >expectancy > > >of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild > > >blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet
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Where I live we have many strawberry farms where the customer picks their own berries. We picked about 50 pounds and then I made some of the best strawberry jam. The store bought jam is not a close second to mine! (I pat my own back) Picking the berries right off the vine is the best way. They are soo fresh, juicy and delicious!! Dave -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L While you're at it, April, could you tell me where I could get about 80 pounds of those strawberries? The frozen ones I've been using to make wine are not quite what I have hoped they'd be. David -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L April, Okay, now tell me WHERE I can get those? The ones from the greenmarket are already insanely wonderful, I'm not sure I could stand anything more intense :) Rachel >From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:37:19 -0800 > >Rachel, > >You need to try strawberries, warm from the sun, wet from the irrigation >system, with the light dusty dirt still crunching on them. > >April > >-Original Message- >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:17 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Ian, > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you seem >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with >that > >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got >hurt". > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I tend to >frequent > >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy in stores. >Even > >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I have converted >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries again, he >tried > >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > >Rachel > > > >From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 > > > >So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the life expectancy > >of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild > >blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter than the >store > >bought ones. > > > >Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an article store > >bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose of fruit is >to > >be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system intact to be > >planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the more >animals > >are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny. > > > >As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with commercial > >produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported > >unbruised. It doesn't taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree. > > > > > >My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten free diet. > >It seems to have done her some good; her attentiveness has increased and > >her perserveration has dropped. My wife swears it has; I lean more >towards > > >non-casual coincidence, but I don't want to give her bread pudding in >case > > >I'm wrong. You won't believe how many things have gluten and cassein. > >Gluten is not naturally found in corn, but it's in corn flakes. Most soy > >cheeses have cassein in them so they melt like dairy cheeses. It is >very > >difficult to keep on such a diet, taking all grains out of the diet >would > > >be harder still. > > > >Autism is a multi-genetic disorder; i.e, more than one gene is involved. > >Latest evidence is that the genes express themselves about the first >month > > >of pregnancy. In the future it will be detectable via amniocentesis, >much > >like trisomy 13 is today. For a parent it becomes noticeable somewhere > >between 15 months and two years. > > > >So what d
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Whoops - sorry list, that was meant for John. -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 August 2001 11:50 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The Geordies get everywhere Aa The Blaydon races.. -Original Message- Sent: 02 August 2001 08:00 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I guess thats one of the things we have going for us in little old England. Where I live in the North East of England (Northumberland to be precise) there are a whole host of farms where you can go and "pick your own" within between 5 and 20 minutes drive from my house. Aaaah! Lee -Original Message- Sent: 02 August 2001 01:55 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cherie, You guys are making me soo jealous. (and so hungry for fresh strawberries!) Rachel >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:38:35 -0800 > > >Rachel, > >When I worked at Rockwell in Anaheim (Southern California - sort of a >suburb of Los Angeles), >I used to drive right past a strawberry field every night on my way home >from work. Most of the berries >would be picked and shipped to market or wherever but there was always a >small stand at the >edge of the field where you could stop and buy direct from the grower. > >It was strange to find a strawberry field in the middle of the city. That >was fifteen years ago. >I'm not sure if it's still there - what with the high price of real estate >in that area. > >Anyway, the taste was just as April described it. Warm and damp and >flavorful. The smell alone >would make me stop. > >Every summer I long for those strawberries and I've yet to find anything >close here in the Midwest. > >Cherie Machler >nostalgic for a few things about Southern California - like the produce >markets > > > > > "Rachel > Carmichael" To: Multiple recipients of >list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > mail.com>Subject: RE: OT about to >peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: > Sent by: Largest > root@fatcity. > com > > > 08/01/01 > 03:15 PM > Please > respond to > ORACLE-L > > > > > > >April, > >Okay, now tell me WHERE I can get those? The ones from the greenmarket are > >already insanely wonderful, I'm not sure I could stand anything more >intense >:) > >Rachel > > > >From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:37:19 -0800 > > > >Rachel, > > > >You need to try strawberries, warm from the sun, wet from the irrigation > >system, with the light dusty dirt still crunching on them. > > > >April > > > >-Original Message- > >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:17 AM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > >Ian, > > > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you >seem > >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with > >that > > > >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be > >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who > >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got > >hurt". > > > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of > >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I tend to > >frequent > > > >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy in stores. > >Even > > > >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I have >converted > >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries again, he > >tried > > > >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > > > >Rachel > > > > > > >From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the veg
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Jaques, I know that Orange County is an entity in it's own right but for people in other parts of the U.S. and the world, Los Angeles is much more of a land mark than Orange County. That's why I said "sort of a suburb". Cherie waiting for others from Orange County to start talking about how distinct from L.A. and identifiable it is Jacques Kilchoer quest.com>cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Largest 08/01/01 05:07 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > When I worked at Rockwell in Anaheim (Southern California - sort of a > suburb of Los Angeles), > I used to drive right past a strawberry field every night on > my way home > from work. ... > > It was strange to find a strawberry field in the middle of > the city. That > was fifteen years ago. > I'm not sure if it's still there - what with the high price > of real estate in that area. Suburb of LA? Orange County, California, USA is more than an appendage of our large neighbour to the north! (splashing cold water on my face to quench the steam escaping from my nostrils) There are still strawberry fields in Orange County, as a matter of fact there's one less than 2 miles from my house. Of course, it's a little disconcerting in this part of the world to walk three blocks from a 20-story building (which, in parentheses, hosts the local Oracle sales office) and see a large agricultural field. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Toppa result Only Villa to beat and we are in Europe.. -Original Message- Sent: 02 August 2001 13:52 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Wahey, Good result last night. -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 August 2001 11:50 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The Geordies get everywhere Aa The Blaydon races.. -Original Message- Sent: 02 August 2001 08:00 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I guess thats one of the things we have going for us in little old England. Where I live in the North East of England (Northumberland to be precise) there are a whole host of farms where you can go and "pick your own" within between 5 and 20 minutes drive from my house. Aaaah! Lee -Original Message- Sent: 02 August 2001 01:55 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cherie, You guys are making me soo jealous. (and so hungry for fresh strawberries!) Rachel >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:38:35 -0800 > > >Rachel, > >When I worked at Rockwell in Anaheim (Southern California - sort of a >suburb of Los Angeles), >I used to drive right past a strawberry field every night on my way home >from work. Most of the berries >would be picked and shipped to market or wherever but there was always a >small stand at the >edge of the field where you could stop and buy direct from the grower. > >It was strange to find a strawberry field in the middle of the city. That >was fifteen years ago. >I'm not sure if it's still there - what with the high price of real estate >in that area. > >Anyway, the taste was just as April described it. Warm and damp and >flavorful. The smell alone >would make me stop. > >Every summer I long for those strawberries and I've yet to find anything >close here in the Midwest. > >Cherie Machler >nostalgic for a few things about Southern California - like the produce >markets > > > > > "Rachel > Carmichael" To: Multiple recipients of >list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > mail.com>Subject: RE: OT about to >peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: > Sent by: Largest > root@fatcity. > com > > > 08/01/01 > 03:15 PM > Please > respond to > ORACLE-L > > > > > > >April, > >Okay, now tell me WHERE I can get those? The ones from the greenmarket are > >already insanely wonderful, I'm not sure I could stand anything more >intense >:) > >Rachel > > > >From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:37:19 -0800 > > > >Rachel, > > > >You need to try strawberries, warm from the sun, wet from the irrigation > >system, with the light dusty dirt still crunching on them. > > > >April > > > >-Original Message- > >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:17 AM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > >Ian, > > > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you >seem > >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with > >that > > > >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be > >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who > >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got > >hurt". > > > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of > >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I tend to > >frequent > > > >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy in stores. > >Even > > > >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I have >converted > >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries again, he > >tried > > > >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > > > >Rachel > > > > > > >From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EM
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Wahey, Good result last night. -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 August 2001 11:50 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The Geordies get everywhere Aa The Blaydon races.. -Original Message- Sent: 02 August 2001 08:00 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I guess thats one of the things we have going for us in little old England. Where I live in the North East of England (Northumberland to be precise) there are a whole host of farms where you can go and "pick your own" within between 5 and 20 minutes drive from my house. Aaaah! Lee -Original Message- Sent: 02 August 2001 01:55 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cherie, You guys are making me soo jealous. (and so hungry for fresh strawberries!) Rachel >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:38:35 -0800 > > >Rachel, > >When I worked at Rockwell in Anaheim (Southern California - sort of a >suburb of Los Angeles), >I used to drive right past a strawberry field every night on my way home >from work. Most of the berries >would be picked and shipped to market or wherever but there was always a >small stand at the >edge of the field where you could stop and buy direct from the grower. > >It was strange to find a strawberry field in the middle of the city. That >was fifteen years ago. >I'm not sure if it's still there - what with the high price of real estate >in that area. > >Anyway, the taste was just as April described it. Warm and damp and >flavorful. The smell alone >would make me stop. > >Every summer I long for those strawberries and I've yet to find anything >close here in the Midwest. > >Cherie Machler >nostalgic for a few things about Southern California - like the produce >markets > > > > > "Rachel > Carmichael" To: Multiple recipients of >list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > mail.com>Subject: RE: OT about to >peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: > Sent by: Largest > root@fatcity. > com > > > 08/01/01 > 03:15 PM > Please > respond to > ORACLE-L > > > > > > >April, > >Okay, now tell me WHERE I can get those? The ones from the greenmarket are > >already insanely wonderful, I'm not sure I could stand anything more >intense >:) > >Rachel > > > >From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:37:19 -0800 > > > >Rachel, > > > >You need to try strawberries, warm from the sun, wet from the irrigation > >system, with the light dusty dirt still crunching on them. > > > >April > > > >-Original Message- > >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:17 AM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > >Ian, > > > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you >seem > >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with > >that > > > >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be > >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who > >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got > >hurt". > > > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of > >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I tend to > >frequent > > > >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy in stores. > >Even > > > >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I have >converted > >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries again, he > >tried > > > >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > > > >Rachel > > > > > > >From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE
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Then when the sun REALLY comes up, the ice (a plant version of a heavy jacket) melts and keeps the cells from bursting. Added feature... the whole field sparkles in the sunrise! -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 5:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L On Wed, 1 Aug 2001,David Messer scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: ->Thanks, April. -> ->So why do you run your irrigation systems when there is frost in the early ->spring? to cover the plants with ice and keep them from freezing. -- Bill Thater ORACLE DBA Telergy,Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's got to come from the heart if you want it to work! Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later. - Brook -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this e-mail is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also be legally privileged and/or price sensitive. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, use or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken every reasonable precaution to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We accept no liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: April Wells INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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And they don't weigh you on the way in and the way out? =) -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 5:21 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Where I live we have many strawberry farms where the customer picks their own berries. We picked about 50 pounds and then I made some of the best strawberry jam. The store bought jam is not a close second to mine! (I pat my own back) Picking the berries right off the vine is the best way. They are soo fresh, juicy and delicious!! Dave -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L While you're at it, April, could you tell me where I could get about 80 pounds of those strawberries? The frozen ones I've been using to make wine are not quite what I have hoped they'd be. David -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L April, Okay, now tell me WHERE I can get those? The ones from the greenmarket are already insanely wonderful, I'm not sure I could stand anything more intense :) Rachel >From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:37:19 -0800 > >Rachel, > >You need to try strawberries, warm from the sun, wet from the irrigation >system, with the light dusty dirt still crunching on them. > >April > >-Original Message- >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:17 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Ian, > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you seem >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with >that > >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got >hurt". > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I tend to >frequent > >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy in stores. >Even > >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I have converted >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries again, he >tried > >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > >Rachel > > > >From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 > > > >So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the life expectancy > >of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild > >blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter than the >store > >bought ones. > > > >Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an article store > >bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose of fruit is >to > >be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system intact to be > >planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the more >animals > >are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny. > > > >As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with commercial > >produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported > >unbruised. It doesn't taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree. > > > > > >My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten free diet. > >It seems to have done her some good; her attentiveness has increased and > >her perserveration has dropped. My wife swears it has; I lean more >towards > > >non-casual coincidence, but I don't want to give her bread pudding in >case > > >I'm wrong. You won't believe how many things have gluten and cassein. > >Gluten is not naturally found in corn, but it's in corn flakes. Most soy > >cheeses have cassein in them so they melt like dairy cheeses. It is >very > >difficult to keep on such a diet, taking all grains out of the diet >would > > >be harder still. > > > >Autism is a multi-genetic disorder; i.e, more than one gene is involved. > >Latest evidence is that the genes express themselves about the first >month > > >of pregnancy. In the future it will be detectable via am
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The Geordies get everywhere Aa The Blaydon races.. -Original Message- Sent: 02 August 2001 08:00 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I guess thats one of the things we have going for us in little old England. Where I live in the North East of England (Northumberland to be precise) there are a whole host of farms where you can go and "pick your own" within between 5 and 20 minutes drive from my house. Aaaah! Lee -Original Message- Sent: 02 August 2001 01:55 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cherie, You guys are making me soo jealous. (and so hungry for fresh strawberries!) Rachel >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:38:35 -0800 > > >Rachel, > >When I worked at Rockwell in Anaheim (Southern California - sort of a >suburb of Los Angeles), >I used to drive right past a strawberry field every night on my way home >from work. Most of the berries >would be picked and shipped to market or wherever but there was always a >small stand at the >edge of the field where you could stop and buy direct from the grower. > >It was strange to find a strawberry field in the middle of the city. That >was fifteen years ago. >I'm not sure if it's still there - what with the high price of real estate >in that area. > >Anyway, the taste was just as April described it. Warm and damp and >flavorful. The smell alone >would make me stop. > >Every summer I long for those strawberries and I've yet to find anything >close here in the Midwest. > >Cherie Machler >nostalgic for a few things about Southern California - like the produce >markets > > > > > "Rachel > Carmichael" To: Multiple recipients of >list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > mail.com>Subject: RE: OT about to >peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: > Sent by: Largest > root@fatcity. > com > > > 08/01/01 > 03:15 PM > Please > respond to > ORACLE-L > > > > > > >April, > >Okay, now tell me WHERE I can get those? The ones from the greenmarket are > >already insanely wonderful, I'm not sure I could stand anything more >intense >:) > >Rachel > > > >From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:37:19 -0800 > > > >Rachel, > > > >You need to try strawberries, warm from the sun, wet from the irrigation > >system, with the light dusty dirt still crunching on them. > > > >April > > > >-Original Message- > >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:17 AM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > >Ian, > > > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you >seem > >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with > >that > > > >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be > >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who > >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got > >hurt". > > > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of > >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I tend to > >frequent > > > >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy in stores. > >Even > > > >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I have >converted > >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries again, he > >tried > > > >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > > > >Rachel > > > > > > >From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 > > > > > >So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the life
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Well near enough... ;o) We are playing well so.. we should get a good result. Anyway I have heard your name Because I worked with John Hallas and Malcolm Thorns (interv8) So its a very small world... :o) -Original Message- Sent: 03 August 2001 09:55 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L erm nope... 3 finals . Villa are in one we are in another and two other teams battle it out for the other place. There are three places up for grabs in the UEFA cup. We now play Troyes from France over two legs, the first away and the second back home. Cheers Lee -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 August 2001 17:01 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Toppa result Only Villa to beat and we are in Europe.. -Original Message- Sent: 02 August 2001 13:52 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Wahey, Good result last night. -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 August 2001 11:50 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The Geordies get everywhere Aa The Blaydon races.. -Original Message- Sent: 02 August 2001 08:00 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I guess thats one of the things we have going for us in little old England. Where I live in the North East of England (Northumberland to be precise) there are a whole host of farms where you can go and "pick your own" within between 5 and 20 minutes drive from my house. Aaaah! Lee -Original Message- Sent: 02 August 2001 01:55 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cherie, You guys are making me soo jealous. (and so hungry for fresh strawberries!) Rachel >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:38:35 -0800 > > >Rachel, > >When I worked at Rockwell in Anaheim (Southern California - sort of a >suburb of Los Angeles), >I used to drive right past a strawberry field every night on my way home >from work. Most of the berries >would be picked and shipped to market or wherever but there was always a >small stand at the >edge of the field where you could stop and buy direct from the grower. > >It was strange to find a strawberry field in the middle of the city. That >was fifteen years ago. >I'm not sure if it's still there - what with the high price of real estate >in that area. > >Anyway, the taste was just as April described it. Warm and damp and >flavorful. The smell alone >would make me stop. > >Every summer I long for those strawberries and I've yet to find anything >close here in the Midwest. > >Cherie Machler >nostalgic for a few things about Southern California - like the produce >markets > > > > > "Rachel > Carmichael" To: Multiple recipients of >list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > mail.com>Subject: RE: OT about to >peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: > Sent by: Largest > root@fatcity. > com > > > 08/01/01 > 03:15 PM > Please > respond to > ORACLE-L > > > > > > >April, > >Okay, now tell me WHERE I can get those? The ones from the greenmarket are > >already insanely wonderful, I'm not sure I could stand anything more >intense >:) > >Rachel > > > >From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:37:19 -0800 > > > >Rachel, > > > >You need to try strawberries, warm from the sun, wet from the irrigation > >system, with the light dusty dirt still crunching on them. > > > >April > > > >-Original Message- > >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:17 AM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > >Ian, > > > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you >seem > >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with > >that > > > >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be > >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who > >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got > >hurt". >
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"MacGregor, Ian A." schrieb: > > So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the life expectancy of early >hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild blueberries in Nova Scotia >are just as sweet if not sweeter than the store bought ones. > > Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an article store bought food >is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose of fruit is to be eaten, the seeds >passing through the digestive system intact to be planted with a little fertilizer. >The sweeter the fruit, the more animals are attracted, the greater chance of the >plant dispersing its progeny. > > As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with commercial produce. >Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported unbruised. It doesn't >taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree. > > My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten free diet. It seems >to have done her some good; her attentiveness has increased and her perserveration >has dropped. My wife swears it has; I lean more towards non-casual coincidence, but >I don't want to give her bread pudding in case I'm wrong. You won't believe how >many things have gluten and cassein. Gluten is not naturally found in corn, but it's >in corn flakes. Most soy cheeses have cassein in them so they melt like dairy >cheeses. It is very difficult to keep on such a diet, taking all grains out of the >diet would be harder still. > > Autism is a multi-genetic disorder; i.e, more than one gene is involved. Latest >evidence is that the genes express themselves about the first month of pregnancy. >In the future it will be detectable via amniocentesis, much like trisomy 13 is >today. For a parent it becomes noticeable somewhere between 15 months and two years. > > So what does this have to do with cassein and gluten. There are double-blind >studies which indicate some children do better on such a diet. > > I like to think the experience has made me a better person. Before, when a >developmentally-disabled child walked into a room I'd act like the kid was contagious. > > Ian MacGregor > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hi, that's interesting. My wife's sister is autistic, too. Do you have any references to information about the coherences between your diet and autism. Thanks in advance. | Regards, | | Stefan Jahnke | | BOV AG | | @:D2 Vodafone, Abt.: FBOM | | Tel.: 0211/533-4893| -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Stefan Jahnke INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Save the animals - eat a PETAn!!! --Scott love doing this: PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals. joe _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Shafer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Love steak tartare! Raw eggs, too! Raw butter...yummy! -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Save the animals - eat a PETAn!!! --Scott love doing this: PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals. joe _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Shafer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest
Blah, I did not work my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegatarian. "Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if both are frozen." Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Save the animals - eat a PETAn!!! --Scott love doing this: PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals. joe _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Shafer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Christopher Spence INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest
HAHAHAHAHAHAH:) -Original Message- Shafer Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Save the animals - eat a PETAn!!! --Scott love doing this: PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals. joe _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Shafer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest
http://www.healingcrow.com/dietsmain/paleo/paleo.html -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:36 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Blah, I did not work my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegatarian. "Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if both are frozen." Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Save the animals - eat a PETAn!!! --Scott love doing this: PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals. joe _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Shafer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Christopher Spence INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest
So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the life expectancy of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter than the store bought ones. Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an article store bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose of fruit is to be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system intact to be planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the more animals are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny. As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with commercial produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported unbruised. It doesn't taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree. My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten free diet. It seems to have done her some good; her attentiveness has increased and her perserveration has dropped. My wife swears it has; I lean more towards non-casual coincidence, but I don't want to give her bread pudding in case I'm wrong. You won't believe how many things have gluten and cassein. Gluten is not naturally found in corn, but it's in corn flakes. Most soy cheeses have cassein in them so they melt like dairy cheeses. It is very difficult to keep on such a diet, taking all grains out of the diet would be harder still. Autism is a multi-genetic disorder; i.e, more than one gene is involved. Latest evidence is that the genes express themselves about the first month of pregnancy. In the future it will be detectable via amniocentesis, much like trisomy 13 is today. For a parent it becomes noticeable somewhere between 15 months and two years. So what does this have to do with cassein and gluten. There are double-blind studies which indicate some children do better on such a diet. I like to think the experience has made me a better person. Before, when a developmentally-disabled child walked into a room I'd act like the kid was contagious. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L http://www.healingcrow.com/dietsmain/paleo/paleo.html -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:36 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Blah, I did not work my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegatarian. "Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if both are frozen." Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Save the animals - eat a PETAn!!! --Scott love doing this: PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals. joe _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Shafer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Christopher Spence INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L
RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest
There is also a lot of evidence that a lot of kids that are diagnosed as AHDA are actually having allergic reactions to foods. Corn is the most common allergy. > So what does this have to do with cassein and gluten. There > are double-blind studies which indicate some children do > better on such a diet. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Page, Bruce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest
So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. || www.texasgrassfedbeef.comwww.vermontbeef.com www.colemanbeef.com What was the life expectancy of early hominids? || about 30-40. They died early due to infection and trauma. Not heart disease, cancer, arthritis, or other autoimmune disorders. Other fitness markers (any physical anthropologists out there?) showed them to be remarkably fit and powerful. I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter than the store bought ones. Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an article store bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose of fruit is to be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system intact to be planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the more animals are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny. || Fresh food is better than processed food. Enzymes are volatile, some having labile points not much above 100F. Ditto for vitamins, especially water soluble ones like C. They oxidize quickly in the presence of air. You could do an article ( and get it reviewed and published if you like ) on the vitamin C content of fresh squeezed juice, and juice that has been sitting out for a few hours. You'd find *significantly* less C in the...erstore bought juice. Oh, yea, don't forget they pasteurize the juice by BOILING it. Great. As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with commercial produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported unbruised. It doesn't taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree. || Well we certainly agree here! My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten free diet. It seems to have done her some good; her attentiveness has increased and her perserveration has dropped. My wife swears it has; I lean more towards non-casual coincidence, but I don't want to give her bread pudding in case I'm wrong. You won't believe how many things have gluten and cassein. Gluten is not naturally found in corn, but it's in corn flakes. Most soy cheeses have cassein in them so they melt like dairy cheeses. It is very difficult to keep on such a diet, taking all grains out of the diet would be harder still. || Hmmm...this is a hard one. There is, of course, absolutely no need for cow's milk (casein source), nor for wheat. In fact, as I am sure you have heard, gluten can do "not good" things in the body. There are people who flourish by avoiding modern ( past several thousand years..."modern" in genetic/evolutionary sense) agricultural products. Just search on lectins...phytates...aflatoxins. Autism is a multi-genetic disorder; i.e, more than one gene is involved. Latest evidence is that the genes express themselves about the first month of pregnancy. In the future it will be detectable via amniocentesis, much like trisomy 13 is today. For a parent it becomes noticeable somewhere between 15 months and two years. So what does this have to do with cassein and gluten. There are double-blind studies which indicate some children do better on such a diet. I like to think the experience has made me a better person. Before, when a developmentally-disabled child walked into a room I'd act like the kid was contagious. || Ian, I salute you and your wife's work, your open minds, and most of all, your love and support of your daughter. I was presented with a healthy child for number one (slightly depressed immune system due to veganism, i believe) and number two, my son is anemic. That went away went I started letting him gobble the range-fed beef he adores. He's at 90% on the growth chart now. I sincerely and deeply hope that you and your wife continue to investigate all sorts of work around your daughter's autismwatch out for vaccines, research them **VERY** carefully...check into a (very very wacky) guy named Aajonus Vonderplanitz...keep reading and learning. You guys are so far ahead of many other parents who would have been crippled by their daughter's challenge...your work is very admirable, and I have no doubt that it has changed you for the better. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest
ADD and ADHD? Check out www.borntoexplore.org There is a connection to diet ( fatty acids stuff ) in there. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There is also a lot of evidence that a lot of kids that are diagnosed as AHDA are actually having allergic reactions to foods. Corn is the most common allergy. > So what does this have to do with cassein and gluten. There > are double-blind studies which indicate some children do > better on such a diet. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Page, Bruce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest
andYIKESalot of the fat/diet info is mixed with MISinformationCAVEAT LECTOR!!! -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 8:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ADD and ADHD? Check out www.borntoexplore.org There is a connection to diet ( fatty acids stuff ) in there. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There is also a lot of evidence that a lot of kids that are diagnosed as AHDA are actually having allergic reactions to foods. Corn is the most common allergy. > So what does this have to do with cassein and gluten. There > are double-blind studies which indicate some children do > better on such a diet. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Page, Bruce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest
Don't assume that all vegetarians support PETA. It's not a one-to-one relationship.. ;-) Linda -Original Message-From: JOE TESTA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:41 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest I love doing this: PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals. joe >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/31/01 02:15PM >>> or did i mean petabytes. those are the ones that are also friendly to animals. -Original Message-From: Mohan, Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:55 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: OT RE: Largest Oracle Databases "picobytes"? lol. Attoboy! -Original Message-From: Jon Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:56 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Largest Oracle Databases In theory, Oracle can handle 512 Picobytes (or roughly 512,000 Terabytes) for Oracle 8i. Have not heard if this has been increased for 9i. -Original Message- From: MacGregor, Ian A. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 8:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Largest Oracle Databases One of the smaller Physics projects, GLAST (Gamma-ray Large Area Space Telescope) is looking at storing their data in Oracle. The bulk of thge data will be a sky map of individual photons, about 20 terabytes, acquired at a rate of about 1 TB a year. What size is the largest Oracle database at present? I believe Oracle should be able to handle this, but I'd like to know if anyone has approached this size. I hear rumors of Oracle databases of hundreds of terabytes at the CIA, but I have no way to confirm them. - Offtopic I wrote a little while ago about CERN considering Oracle for LHC project, and needing a petabyte database. It turns out that the number was incorrect. The petabyte that was tossed around a few years ago would be for online and secondary storage only. I don't know their needs for tertiary storage, but our little project here , called Babar, which is expected to store half a petabyte of data in online and nearline storage is sized to 300 petabytes when tertiary storage is included. The 0.5 petabytes for online and nearline will probably be upped. If LHC has the same relationship between tertiary and online/nearline storage, then they will need something which can handle about 600 petabytes. Last week I attended a meeting on a project called SuperBabar. Data estimates of size for that one are one exabyte. I'm sure there are others in the works which will make SuperBabar look tiny. The mind boggles. Babar is not in Oracle and I don't expect SuperBabar will be either. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: MacGregor, Ian A. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest
Title: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > -Original Message- > From: Mohan, Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > andYIKESalot of the fat/diet info is mixed > with MISinformationCAVEAT LECTOR!!! The correct spelling is "Lecter". CAVEAT LECTER - beware of the cannibals.
RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest
Just in case there are other parents with autistic children. The population studies of the MMR vaccine do not show a correlation between the MMR vaccine and autism.I have heard of a paper showing a weak correlation between thimerosal and autism. But I haven't been able to find it on Medscape/Medline to see what the R value/values are. Thimerosol is a mercury containing compound used in vaccines to control bacteria and such. It caused a small row when someone noticed that with all the normal vaccination schedule children were getting more mercury than is considered safe. Mercury free vaccines are available for everything but DTAP. However, it was decided that old stocks of thimerisol containing vaccines could be used before going to the new. There are lots of studies being done on mercury chelation and autism. The prime one at Louisiana State. I am dubious that a connection will be found. After all the best evidence and present is that it is genetic. It riles me though that mercury was ever allowed in vaccines in the first place. There are lots of desparate parents of autistic children who fall prey to quacks. I've heard lectures which start out with, "Gluten intolerance is very common thought seldom tested for". If testing for it is rare then how can one say it is very common. We went to a nutrtionist, an M.D., I found his name on one of the more reputable autism lists. He talked about using accupressure to cure allergies. We left his office toute suite. But I did pick up the book, "Winning The War Against Immune Disorders and Allegies" by Ellen W. Cutler. The idea is that if a person holds a piece of food to which they are allergic and stretches out their arm, the amount of strenght in that arm will be diminished. For an infant, the infant takes holds the food, the parent holds the child's other hand and stretches out the other arm. Again the amount of strength in the arm is diminished if the child is holding a food to which it is allergic. My personal highlight was the story of a man said to be allergic to his own saliva. One of the instructions was for him to avoid contact with his own saliva for a number of days. Apparently it was okay in his mouth, but itegumental contact would have ruined everything. I don't know how you would tell if someone died of heart failure from a fossil. One of the problems is that the cavemen and cavewomen didn't live long enough for some of the "modern" diseases to afflict them. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mohan, Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 5:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L t So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. || www.texasgrassfedbeef.comwww.vermontbeef.com www.colemanbeef.com What was the life expectancy of early hominids? || about 30-40. They died early due to infection and trauma. Not heart disease, cancer, arthritis, or other autoimmune disorders. Other fitness markers (any physical anthropologists out there?) showed them to be remarkably fit and powerful. I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter than the store bought ones. Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an article store bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose of fruit is to be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system intact to be planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the more animals are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny. || Fresh food is better than processed food. Enzymes are volatile, some having labile points not much above 100F. Ditto for vitamins, especially water soluble ones like C. They oxidize quickly in the presence of air. You could do an article ( and get it reviewed and published if you like ) on the vitamin C content of fresh squeezed juice, and juice that has been sitting out for a few hours. You'd find *significantly* less C in the...erstore bought juice. Oh, yea, don't forget they pasteurize the juice by BOILING it. Great. As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with commercial produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported unbruised. It doesn't taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree. || Well we certainly agree here! My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten free diet. It seems to have done her some good; her attentiveness has increased and her perserveration has dropped. My wife swears it has; I lean more towards non-casual coincidence, but I don't want to give her bread pudding in case I'm wrong. You won't believe how many things have
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Ian, You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for how you seem to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just living with that as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a child must be infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in case he got hurt". You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I tend to frequent the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy in stores. Even then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I have converted one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries again, he tried some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. Rachel >From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 > >So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the life expectancy >of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild >blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter than the store >bought ones. > >Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an article store >bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose of fruit is to >be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system intact to be >planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the more animals >are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny. > >As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with commercial >produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported >unbruised. It doesn't taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree. > > >My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten free diet. >It seems to have done her some good; her attentiveness has increased and >her perserveration has dropped. My wife swears it has; I lean more towards >non-casual coincidence, but I don't want to give her bread pudding in case >I'm wrong. You won't believe how many things have gluten and cassein. >Gluten is not naturally found in corn, but it's in corn flakes. Most soy >cheeses have cassein in them so they melt like dairy cheeses. It is very >difficult to keep on such a diet, taking all grains out of the diet would >be harder still. > >Autism is a multi-genetic disorder; i.e, more than one gene is involved. >Latest evidence is that the genes express themselves about the first month >of pregnancy. In the future it will be detectable via amniocentesis, much >like trisomy 13 is today. For a parent it becomes noticeable somewhere >between 15 months and two years. > >So what does this have to do with cassein and gluten. There are >double-blind studies which indicate some children do better on such a >diet. > > >I like to think the experience has made me a better person. Before, when a >developmentally-disabled child walked into a room I'd act like the kid was >contagious. > > >Ian MacGregor >Stanford Linear Accelerator Center >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > >-Original Message- >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:12 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >http://www.healingcrow.com/dietsmain/paleo/paleo.html > >-Original Message- >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:36 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Blah, I did not work my way to the top of the food chain to be a >vegatarian. > >"Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if >both are frozen." > >Christopher R. Spence >Oracle DBA >Fuelspot > > > >-Original Message- >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:01 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Save the animals - eat a PETAn!!! > >--Scott > > >love doing this: >PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals. > >joe > >_ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Scott Shafer > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messag
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Rachel, Do you have the 'Farmer's markets' in NY like we have here in CA? (where farmers freight and sell their farm-grown veggies and fruits in a specially agreed upon place/schedule) Have *entirely* stopped buying veggies/fruits from the grocery store since the farmer's markets opened this Spring. Will miss them in Fall/Winter though I did go down to a farm and hand-picked berries in NJ when we were there. Is it worth the drive down the turnpike? John Kanagaraj >-Original Message- >From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:17 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > > >Ian, > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for >how you seem >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just >living with that >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a >child must be >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in >case he got >hurt". > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I >tend to frequent >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy >in stores. Even >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I >have converted >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries >again, he tried >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > >Rachel > > >>From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 >> >>So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the >life expectancy >>of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild >>blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter >than the store >>bought ones. >> >>Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an >article store >>bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose >of fruit is to >>be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system >intact to be >>planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the >more animals >>are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny. >> >>As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with >commercial >>produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported >>unbruised. It doesn't taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree. >> >> >>My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten >free diet. >>It seems to have done her some good; her attentiveness has >increased and >>her perserveration has dropped. My wife swears it has; I >lean more towards >>non-casual coincidence, but I don't want to give her bread >pudding in case >>I'm wrong. You won't believe how many things have gluten and >cassein. >>Gluten is not naturally found in corn, but it's in corn >flakes. Most soy >>cheeses have cassein in them so they melt like dairy >cheeses. It is very >>difficult to keep on such a diet, taking all grains out of >the diet would >>be harder still. >> >>Autism is a multi-genetic disorder; i.e, more than one gene >is involved. >>Latest evidence is that the genes express themselves about >the first month >>of pregnancy. In the future it will be detectable via >amniocentesis, much >>like trisomy 13 is today. For a parent it becomes >noticeable somewhere >>between 15 months and two years. >> >>So what does this have to do with cassein and gluten. There are >>double-blind studies which indicate some children do better >on such a >>diet. >> >> >>I like to think the experience has made me a better person. >Before, when a >>developmentally-disabled child walked into a room I'd act >like the kid was >>contagious. >> >> >>Ian MacGregor >>Stanford Linear Accelerator Center >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-Original Message- >>Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:12 PM >>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >> >> >>http://www.healingcrow.com/dietsmain/paleo/paleo.html >> >>-Original
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John, Greenmarket=Farmer's market. We have several all over the city, I love the neighborhood we moved our offices to not just because it is a fun, funky area to explore but because the best of the markets is within walking distance and is there M, W, F and Sat. I haven't gone and hand-picked fruits/veggies, although we do have pick your own places out East on the Island. I have gone to the farms on occasion and bought fresh from them. I remember one year coming to IOUW and going to the market down in the Embarcadero -- and being AMAZED that there were that many kinds of tomatos! Rachel >From: John Kanagaraj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:35:21 -0800 > >Rachel, > >Do you have the 'Farmer's markets' in NY like we have here in CA? (where >farmers freight and sell their farm-grown veggies and fruits in a specially >agreed upon place/schedule) Have *entirely* stopped buying veggies/fruits >from the grocery store since the farmer's markets opened this Spring. Will >miss them in Fall/Winter though I did go down to a farm and hand-picked >berries in NJ when we were there. Is it worth the drive down the turnpike? > >John Kanagaraj > > >-Original Message- > >From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:17 PM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > >Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > > > > > >Ian, > > > >You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for > >how you seem > >to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just > >living with that > >as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a > >child must be > >infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who > >raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in > >case he got > >hurt". > > > >You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of > >non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I > >tend to frequent > >the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy > >in stores. Even > >then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I > >have converted > >one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries > >again, he tried > >some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced. > > > >Rachel > > > > > >>From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest > >>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800 > >> > >>So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the > >life expectancy > >>of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild > >>blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter > >than the store > >>bought ones. > >> > >>Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an > >article store > >>bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose > >of fruit is to > >>be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system > >intact to be > >>planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the > >more animals > >>are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny. > >> > >>As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with > >commercial > >>produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported > >>unbruised. It doesn't taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree. > >> > >> > >>My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten > >free diet. > >>It seems to have done her some good; her attentiveness has > >increased and > >>her perserveration has dropped. My wife swears it has; I > >lean more towards > >>non-casual coincidence, but I don't want to give her bread > >pudding in case > >>I'm wrong. You won't believe how many things have gluten and > >cassein. > >>Gluten is not naturally found in corn, but it's in corn > >flakes. Most soy > >>cheeses have cassein in them so they melt like dairy > >cheeses. It is very > >>difficult to keep on such a diet, taking a
