Re: RE: 9i OCP Details

[rgaffuri]

what office is that internals class taught out of? does anyone else teach it? how many 
days is it? 
> 
> From: "Gogala, Mladen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/06/26 Thu AM 11:35:34 EDT
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> Subject: RE: 9i OCP Details
> 
> You are talking about Scott Gossett jr. I took that
> internals course and it was good. It was very, very good.
> 
> Mladen Gogala
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> 
> Gudmundur Bjarni Josepsson wrote:
> 
> >>If you want real advanced courses go with [...] what Jonathan Lewis 
> >>or guys at his level provide.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I have to agree on this.  I've had the good fortune to sit in on Lewis's
> >'Optimising Oracle' and Cary Millsap's 'Hotsos Clinic 101' and no course
> >I ever took from Oracle Education comes close to what these guys offer
> >(and I've taken quite a few).
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> The only course from Oracle Education that's come close for me is the 
> internals course that I took about 3 or 4 years ago.  I haven't seen it 
> offered recently.  The instructor was Scott somebody, who was, I was 
> told, THE Scott or Scott/Tiger fame.
> 
> I second the recommendation for Jonathan Lewis; his Cost-Based 
> Optimization course was well taught and I found it very useful.
> 
> Craig Shallahamer (www.orapub.com) also offers some worthwhile courses 
> and is a very good instructor.
> 
> I'll find out about the Hotsos Clinic this August in Denver.  Looking 
> forward to it.
> 
> Glenn Stauffer
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RE: Re: 9i OCP Details

[Freeman Robert - IL]

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I have no association with Cary or hotsos (did I get it right this time
Cary?) and I've never been to one of his classes... 

but knowing Cary, having talked to him, having had his help on a few issues
and questions and having been to his presentations, I'd say if you can go,
GO GO GO. 

RF


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Totally agree. Make the pitch that this class alone could push your
skills
up to the next level. It is a real eye-opener. I'll bet it is much less
than
an Oracle Education class. As a bonus I think they usually let you use
their
tools for a month. Use your negotiating skills. 



Dennis Williams 
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It's well worth the begging.  I went in April and it was a GREAT class.
I
suggest you do what you can to get there. 

-Scott 


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hotsos is going to be in town next week and im 'trying' get my boss to
send
me. slow economy. people dont want to spend money on training. :(

hope it doesnt fill up before he makes up his mind. 
> 
> From: "Gudmundur Bjarni Josepsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Date: 2003/06/26 Thu AM 05:49:43 EDT 
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> Subject: Re: 9i OCP Details 
> 
> > If you want real advanced courses go with [...] what Jonathan Lewis 
> > or guys at his level provide. 
> 
> I have to agree on this.  I've had the good fortune to sit in on 
> Lewis's 'Optimising Oracle' and Cary Millsap's 'Hotsos Clinic 101' and

> no course I ever took from Oracle Education comes close to what these 
> guys offer (and I've taken quite a few). 
> 
> Gudmundur 
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RE: Re: 9i OCP Details

[DENNIS WILLIAMS]

Totally agree. Make the pitch that this class alone could push your skills
up to the next level. It is a real eye-opener. I'll bet it is much less than
an Oracle Education class. As a bonus I think they usually let you use their
tools for a month. Use your negotiating skills. 



Dennis Williams 
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It's well worth the begging.  I went in April and it was a GREAT class.  I
suggest you do what you can to get there. 

-Scott 


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hotsos is going to be in town next week and im 'trying' get my boss to send
me. slow economy. people dont want to spend money on training. :(

hope it doesnt fill up before he makes up his mind. 
> 
> From: "Gudmundur Bjarni Josepsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Date: 2003/06/26 Thu AM 05:49:43 EDT 
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Subject: Re: 9i OCP Details 
> 
> > If you want real advanced courses go with [...] what Jonathan Lewis 
> > or guys at his level provide. 
> 
> I have to agree on this.  I've had the good fortune to sit in on 
> Lewis's 'Optimising Oracle' and Cary Millsap's 'Hotsos Clinic 101' and 
> no course I ever took from Oracle Education comes close to what these 
> guys offer (and I've taken quite a few). 
> 
> Gudmundur 
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RE: Re: 9i OCP Details

[Stefick Ronald S Civ ESC/HRIDD]

Title: RE: Re: 9i OCP Details





It's well worth the begging.  I went in April and it was a GREAT class.  I suggest you do what you can to get there.


-Scott



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hotsos is going to be in town next week and im 'trying' get my boss to send me. slow economy. people dont want to spend money on training. :(

hope it doesnt fill up before he makes up his mind. 
> 
> From: "Gudmundur Bjarni Josepsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/06/26 Thu AM 05:49:43 EDT
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: 9i OCP Details
> 
> > If you want real advanced courses go with [...] what Jonathan Lewis
> > or guys at his level provide.
> 
> I have to agree on this.  I've had the good fortune to sit in on 
> Lewis's 'Optimising Oracle' and Cary Millsap's 'Hotsos Clinic 101' and 
> no course I ever took from Oracle Education comes close to what these 
> guys offer (and I've taken quite a few).
> 
> Gudmundur
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Re: Re: 9i OCP Details

[rgaffuri]

hotsos is going to be in town next week and im 'trying' get my boss to send me. slow 
economy. people dont want to spend money on training. :(

hope it doesnt fill up before he makes up his mind. 
> 
> From: "Gudmundur Bjarni Josepsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/06/26 Thu AM 05:49:43 EDT
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: 9i OCP Details
> 
> > If you want real advanced courses go with [...] what Jonathan Lewis 
> > or guys at his level provide.
> 
> I have to agree on this.  I've had the good fortune to sit in on Lewis's
> 'Optimising Oracle' and Cary Millsap's 'Hotsos Clinic 101' and no course
> I ever took from Oracle Education comes close to what these guys offer
> (and I've taken quite a few).
> 
> Gudmundur
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Re: Re: 9i OCP Details

[Tanel Poder]

IIRC = if I remember correctly.
Yes, you have just to sit at these courses. They are not really advanced
courses, especially when the instructor doesn't know, what's he talking
about. That's why I put advanced in double quotes. If you want real advanced
courses, go with Data Server Internals or seminars what Jonathan Lewis or
guys at his level provide.

Tanel.

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> this is a stupid question but what does IIRC mean? not familiar with that
> one.
>
> what do you mean by 'pass' courses. every oracle courses i took you just
sit
> and listen to the instructor?
>
> how good are those advanced courses?
> - Original Message -
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:27 PM
>
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > There was about 25 OCMs before I took the exam in Dec 2002. Now there's
50
> > IIRC.
> >
> > At least then the requirements were:
> > Had to be 9i OCP.
> > Had to pass 2 "advanced" courses, I took Advanced PL/SQL and RAC.
> > Had to pass 2 day practicum. Sh*t, this was hard, but I'm glad about it,
> > that shows OCM actually is worth something.
> > There is a description in OCM website about the tasks. Anyway, when
going,
> > refresh your recovery skills ;)
> >
> > It did cost me about $5000 (from my own pocket). I had to travel to
> Chicago
> > from other side of the globe, because they didn't take tests in Europe
> then
> > (it might be the case now as well). If anyone asks was it worth the
> money -
> > I would have spent the money on other stupidities anyway ;)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tanel.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:57 PM
> >
> >
> > > to get OCM you need to
> > >
> > > take 2 advanced classes
> > > then pass an all day comprehensive hands on test right?
> > >
> > > what do they have you do for that test? i heard there are different
> OCMs?
> > btw, how much does it all cost?
> > > >
> > > > From: "Tanel Poder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Date: 2003/06/25 Wed PM 02:59:58 EDT
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Subject: Re: 9i OCP Details
> > > >
> > > > Hi!
> > > >
> > > > If you're getting this OCP to look more appealing to employers, I'd
go
> > with
> > > > 8i first, then upgrade to 9i.
> > > > On resume it looks better, you seem more like old-timer that way ;)
> > > >
> > > > Tanel.
> > > > OCP 8,8i,9i, OCM.
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:29 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Senthil
> > > > >So, if I understand your question correctly, you are asking
> whether
> > you
> > > > > should:
> > > > > 1. Take the 8i exams, then the 9i upgrade exam.
> > > > > 2. Take the 9i exams.
> > > > > This will depend to some extent on your background, whether you
> still
> > work
> > > > > with 8i. Whether you can get your manager to spring for a class or
> > two.
> > > > >
> > > > >Myself, I started this path over a year ago (slow learner). At
> that
> > > > time
> > > > > since the 9i study materials weren't readily available, and I
still
> > work
> > > > > with 8i a lot, I chose to go the 8i route.
> > > > >If I were to start today, I think I would just go the 9i route.
I
> > > > expect
> > > > > soon Oracle will announce that in 6 months the 8i path will be
> closed.
> > > > This
> > > > > has already happened with Oracle 8.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dennis Williams
> > > > > DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
> > > > > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:59 AM
> > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Group,
> > > > >
> > > > > I wanted to do my 9i OCP. I have not taken any of the 8i OCP
exams.
> > > > > To do 9i Exams directly I need to attend module 3 or 4 or New
> features
> > > > > from any of the Oracle Edu Partners.
> > > > > Shall I take 9i New features and go ahead with the 9i exams.
> > > > >
> > > > > Suggestion are appreciated.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Senthil.
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RE: Re: 9i OCP Details

[Naveen Nahata]

If you are on windoze this might be of great help. I use it to decipher a lot
of such acronyms :-)

http://www.gurunet.com/

Naveen

> -Original Message-
> From: Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:35 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: Re: Re: 9i OCP Details
> 
> 
> this is a stupid question but what does IIRC mean? not 
> familiar with that
> one.
> 
> what do you mean by 'pass' courses. every oracle courses i 
> took you just sit
> and listen to the instructor?
> 
> how good are those advanced courses?
> - Original Message -
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:27 PM
> 
> 
> > Hi!
> >
> > There was about 25 OCMs before I took the exam in Dec 2002. 
> Now there's 50
> > IIRC.
> >
> > At least then the requirements were:
> > Had to be 9i OCP.
> > Had to pass 2 "advanced" courses, I took Advanced PL/SQL and RAC.
> > Had to pass 2 day practicum. Sh*t, this was hard, but I'm 
> glad about it,
> > that shows OCM actually is worth something.
> > There is a description in OCM website about the tasks. 
> Anyway, when going,
> > refresh your recovery skills ;)
> >
> > It did cost me about $5000 (from my own pocket). I had to travel to
> Chicago
> > from other side of the globe, because they didn't take 
> tests in Europe
> then
> > (it might be the case now as well). If anyone asks was it worth the
> money -
> > I would have spent the money on other stupidities anyway ;)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tanel.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:57 PM
> >
> >
> > > to get OCM you need to
> > >
> > > take 2 advanced classes
> > > then pass an all day comprehensive hands on test right?
> > >
> > > what do they have you do for that test? i heard there are 
> different
> OCMs?
> > btw, how much does it all cost?
> > > >
> > > > From: "Tanel Poder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Date: 2003/06/25 Wed PM 02:59:58 EDT
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Subject: Re: 9i OCP Details
> > > >
> > > > Hi!
> > > >
> > > > If you're getting this OCP to look more appealing to 
> employers, I'd go
> > with
> > > > 8i first, then upgrade to 9i.
> > > > On resume it looks better, you seem more like old-timer 
> that way ;)
> > > >
> > > > Tanel.
> > > > OCP 8,8i,9i, OCM.
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:29 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Senthil
> > > > >So, if I understand your question correctly, you are asking
> whether
> > you
> > > > > should:
> > > > > 1. Take the 8i exams, then the 9i upgrade exam.
> > > > > 2. Take the 9i exams.
> > > > > This will depend to some extent on your background, 
> whether you
> still
> > work
> > > > > with 8i. Whether you can get your manager to spring 
> for a class or
> > two.
> > > > >
> > > > >Myself, I started this path over a year ago (slow 
> learner). At
> that
> > > > time
> > > > > since the 9i study materials weren't readily 
> available, and I still
> > work
> > > > > with 8i a lot, I chose to go the 8i route.
> > > > >If I were to start today, I think I would just go 
> the 9i route. I
> > > > expect
> > > > > soon Oracle will announce that in 6 months the 8i path will be
> closed.
> > > > This
> > > > > has already happened with Oracle 8.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dennis Williams
> > > > > DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
> > > > > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
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> > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > 

Re: Re: 9i OCP Details

[Ryan]

this is a stupid question but what does IIRC mean? not familiar with that
one.

what do you mean by 'pass' courses. every oracle courses i took you just sit
and listen to the instructor?

how good are those advanced courses?
- Original Message -
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:27 PM


> Hi!
>
> There was about 25 OCMs before I took the exam in Dec 2002. Now there's 50
> IIRC.
>
> At least then the requirements were:
> Had to be 9i OCP.
> Had to pass 2 "advanced" courses, I took Advanced PL/SQL and RAC.
> Had to pass 2 day practicum. Sh*t, this was hard, but I'm glad about it,
> that shows OCM actually is worth something.
> There is a description in OCM website about the tasks. Anyway, when going,
> refresh your recovery skills ;)
>
> It did cost me about $5000 (from my own pocket). I had to travel to
Chicago
> from other side of the globe, because they didn't take tests in Europe
then
> (it might be the case now as well). If anyone asks was it worth the
money -
> I would have spent the money on other stupidities anyway ;)
>
> Cheers,
> Tanel.
>
> - Original Message -
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:57 PM
>
>
> > to get OCM you need to
> >
> > take 2 advanced classes
> > then pass an all day comprehensive hands on test right?
> >
> > what do they have you do for that test? i heard there are different
OCMs?
> btw, how much does it all cost?
> > >
> > > From: "Tanel Poder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: 2003/06/25 Wed PM 02:59:58 EDT
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: 9i OCP Details
> > >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > If you're getting this OCP to look more appealing to employers, I'd go
> with
> > > 8i first, then upgrade to 9i.
> > > On resume it looks better, you seem more like old-timer that way ;)
> > >
> > > Tanel.
> > > OCP 8,8i,9i, OCM.
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:29 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > > Senthil
> > > >So, if I understand your question correctly, you are asking
whether
> you
> > > > should:
> > > > 1. Take the 8i exams, then the 9i upgrade exam.
> > > > 2. Take the 9i exams.
> > > > This will depend to some extent on your background, whether you
still
> work
> > > > with 8i. Whether you can get your manager to spring for a class or
> two.
> > > >
> > > >Myself, I started this path over a year ago (slow learner). At
that
> > > time
> > > > since the 9i study materials weren't readily available, and I still
> work
> > > > with 8i a lot, I chose to go the 8i route.
> > > >If I were to start today, I think I would just go the 9i route. I
> > > expect
> > > > soon Oracle will announce that in 6 months the 8i path will be
closed.
> > > This
> > > > has already happened with Oracle 8.
> > > >
> > > > Dennis Williams
> > > > DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
> > > > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:59 AM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Group,
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to do my 9i OCP. I have not taken any of the 8i OCP exams.
> > > > To do 9i Exams directly I need to attend module 3 or 4 or New
features
> > > > from any of the Oracle Edu Partners.
> > > > Shall I take 9i New features and go ahead with the 9i exams.
> > > >
> > > > Suggestion are appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Senthil.
> > > > --
> > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net
> > > > --
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Re: Re: 9i OCP Details

[Tanel Poder]

Hi!

There was about 25 OCMs before I took the exam in Dec 2002. Now there's 50
IIRC.

At least then the requirements were:
Had to be 9i OCP.
Had to pass 2 "advanced" courses, I took Advanced PL/SQL and RAC.
Had to pass 2 day practicum. Sh*t, this was hard, but I'm glad about it,
that shows OCM actually is worth something.
There is a description in OCM website about the tasks. Anyway, when going,
refresh your recovery skills ;)

It did cost me about $5000 (from my own pocket). I had to travel to Chicago
from other side of the globe, because they didn't take tests in Europe then
(it might be the case now as well). If anyone asks was it worth the money -
I would have spent the money on other stupidities anyway ;)

Cheers,
Tanel.

- Original Message -
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:57 PM


> to get OCM you need to
>
> take 2 advanced classes
> then pass an all day comprehensive hands on test right?
>
> what do they have you do for that test? i heard there are different OCMs?
btw, how much does it all cost?
> >
> > From: "Tanel Poder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2003/06/25 Wed PM 02:59:58 EDT
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: 9i OCP Details
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > If you're getting this OCP to look more appealing to employers, I'd go
with
> > 8i first, then upgrade to 9i.
> > On resume it looks better, you seem more like old-timer that way ;)
> >
> > Tanel.
> > OCP 8,8i,9i, OCM.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:29 PM
> >
> >
> > > Senthil
> > >So, if I understand your question correctly, you are asking whether
you
> > > should:
> > > 1. Take the 8i exams, then the 9i upgrade exam.
> > > 2. Take the 9i exams.
> > > This will depend to some extent on your background, whether you still
work
> > > with 8i. Whether you can get your manager to spring for a class or
two.
> > >
> > >Myself, I started this path over a year ago (slow learner). At that
> > time
> > > since the 9i study materials weren't readily available, and I still
work
> > > with 8i a lot, I chose to go the 8i route.
> > >If I were to start today, I think I would just go the 9i route. I
> > expect
> > > soon Oracle will announce that in 6 months the 8i path will be closed.
> > This
> > > has already happened with Oracle 8.
> > >
> > > Dennis Williams
> > > DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
> > > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:59 AM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Group,
> > >
> > > I wanted to do my 9i OCP. I have not taken any of the 8i OCP exams.
> > > To do 9i Exams directly I need to attend module 3 or 4 or New features
> > > from any of the Oracle Edu Partners.
> > > Shall I take 9i New features and go ahead with the 9i exams.
> > >
> > > Suggestion are appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Senthil.
> > > --
> > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net
> > > --
> > > Author: Senthil Kumar D
> > >   INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
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RE: Re: 9i OCP Details

[Mercadante, Thomas F]

don't know about that.  but if you take and pass the 9i upgrade exam (and
you currently hold an 8i certif) , nothing else is needed.  you get your 9i
certif.

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:57 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


to get OCM you need to

take 2 advanced classes
then pass an all day comprehensive hands on test right?

what do they have you do for that test? i heard there are different OCMs?
btw, how much does it all cost? 
> 
> From: "Tanel Poder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/06/25 Wed PM 02:59:58 EDT
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: 9i OCP Details
> 
> Hi!
> 
> If you're getting this OCP to look more appealing to employers, I'd go
with
> 8i first, then upgrade to 9i.
> On resume it looks better, you seem more like old-timer that way ;)
> 
> Tanel.
> OCP 8,8i,9i, OCM.
> 
> - Original Message -
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:29 PM
> 
> 
> > Senthil
> >So, if I understand your question correctly, you are asking whether
you
> > should:
> > 1. Take the 8i exams, then the 9i upgrade exam.
> > 2. Take the 9i exams.
> > This will depend to some extent on your background, whether you still
work
> > with 8i. Whether you can get your manager to spring for a class or two.
> >
> >Myself, I started this path over a year ago (slow learner). At that
> time
> > since the 9i study materials weren't readily available, and I still work
> > with 8i a lot, I chose to go the 8i route.
> >If I were to start today, I think I would just go the 9i route. I
> expect
> > soon Oracle will announce that in 6 months the 8i path will be closed.
> This
> > has already happened with Oracle 8.
> >
> > Dennis Williams
> > DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
> > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:59 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Hi Group,
> >
> > I wanted to do my 9i OCP. I have not taken any of the 8i OCP exams.
> > To do 9i Exams directly I need to attend module 3 or 4 or New features
> > from any of the Oracle Edu Partners.
> > Shall I take 9i New features and go ahead with the 9i exams.
> >
> > Suggestion are appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Senthil.
> > --
> > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net
> > --
> > Author: Senthil Kumar D
> >   INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
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Re: Re: 9i OCP Details

[rgaffuri]

to get OCM you need to

take 2 advanced classes
then pass an all day comprehensive hands on test right?

what do they have you do for that test? i heard there are different OCMs? btw, how 
much does it all cost? 
> 
> From: "Tanel Poder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/06/25 Wed PM 02:59:58 EDT
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: 9i OCP Details
> 
> Hi!
> 
> If you're getting this OCP to look more appealing to employers, I'd go with
> 8i first, then upgrade to 9i.
> On resume it looks better, you seem more like old-timer that way ;)
> 
> Tanel.
> OCP 8,8i,9i, OCM.
> 
> - Original Message -
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:29 PM
> 
> 
> > Senthil
> >So, if I understand your question correctly, you are asking whether you
> > should:
> > 1. Take the 8i exams, then the 9i upgrade exam.
> > 2. Take the 9i exams.
> > This will depend to some extent on your background, whether you still work
> > with 8i. Whether you can get your manager to spring for a class or two.
> >
> >Myself, I started this path over a year ago (slow learner). At that
> time
> > since the 9i study materials weren't readily available, and I still work
> > with 8i a lot, I chose to go the 8i route.
> >If I were to start today, I think I would just go the 9i route. I
> expect
> > soon Oracle will announce that in 6 months the 8i path will be closed.
> This
> > has already happened with Oracle 8.
> >
> > Dennis Williams
> > DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
> > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:59 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Hi Group,
> >
> > I wanted to do my 9i OCP. I have not taken any of the 8i OCP exams.
> > To do 9i Exams directly I need to attend module 3 or 4 or New features
> > from any of the Oracle Edu Partners.
> > Shall I take 9i New features and go ahead with the 9i exams.
> >
> > Suggestion are appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Senthil.
> > --
> > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net
> > --
> > Author: Senthil Kumar D
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