Re: vs 2010 and 2012

[mike smith]

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Wallace, Craig et al
>
> You may recall a few months ago I was stung by this subtle and easily
> missed change. As a migration test I opened all of my solutions in VS2012
> and ran a bulk bouild and I was surprised when it hiccuped on dozens of
> vdproj files! It's a serious impediment to quickly flipping over to VS2012
> for all our live development.
>
> There is a vdproj to WiX xml converter, but it produces reams of
> unreadable xml and I didn't bother
>

That implies that there is readable xml. :^)


> persuing it further. The output is useful as a tutorial however.
>
> I was pleasantly surprised by how well WiX was integrated into VS2010 and
> managed to get a couple of simple setup projects working reasonably quickly
> thanks to their good help and examples. However, old setup projects with
> custom dialogs in them have me blocked at the moment as you have to design
> the dialogs manually with x,y positions and lengths, a really tedious and
> fragile process (is there a WiX dialog designer??). I also haven't yet
> cracked how to make a WiX installer that behaves like an old IIS setup
> project.
>
>

wix isn't bad, but why in h*ll did they have to write it in xml?  Too lazy
to write a text parser, you think?


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Re: vs 2010 and 2012

[Greg Keogh]

Wallace, Craig et al

You may recall a few months ago I was stung by this subtle and easily
missed change. As a migration test I opened all of my solutions in VS2012
and ran a bulk bouild and I was surprised when it hiccuped on dozens of
vdproj files! It's a serious impediment to quickly flipping over to VS2012
for all our live development.

There is a vdproj to WiX xml converter, but it produces reams of unreadable
xml and I didn't bother persuing it further. The output is useful as a
tutorial however.

I was pleasantly surprised by how well WiX was integrated into VS2010 and
managed to get a couple of simple setup projects working reasonably quickly
thanks to their good help and examples. However, old setup projects with
custom dialogs in them have me blocked at the moment as you have to design
the dialogs manually with x,y positions and lengths, a really tedious and
fragile process (is there a WiX dialog designer??). I also haven't yet
cracked how to make a WiX installer that behaves like an old IIS setup
project.

I spent all weeked in VS2012 and I notice that WiX setup projects now come
out of the box. I haven't tried one yet.

Greg

RE: vs 2010 and 2012

[Greg Low (GregLow.com)]

Agreed. Wish it was there already. From previous announcements, I recall the RS 
team saying they’d have their one ready this quarter. Hope the others are on 
track to do the same. They’ve decoupled these releases from the shipping of the 
product.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

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SQL Down Under | Web:   www.sqldownunder.com

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Preet Sangha
Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013 9:40 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: vs 2010 and 2012

 

It's annoying how the BI team isn't keeping up with the SQL team. We have the 
BI stuff stuff at VS2010, SQL Server at VS2012 (and VS2010), and to top it all 
to support existing software the BI stuff VS2008.

 

I'd love to upgrade the Bi stuff to a better (slightly less opaque DTS/SSRS and 
more forgi\ving ) environment

 

On 16 January 2013 11:20, Greg Low (GregLow.com) mailto:g...@greglow.com> > wrote:

Another is that the SQL BI projects are still all VS2010 based.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410   
mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913   fax 

SQL Down Under | Web:   www.sqldownunder.com

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com   
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  ] 
On Behalf Of a...@nomscon.com  
Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013 3:15 AM
To: ozDotNet


Subject: RE: vs 2010 and 2012

 

One example is that VS 2012 doesn't support MSI setup (.vdproj) projects.

 

See the following blogs for additional differences:

 

  
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh266747.aspx

 

 
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zainnab/archive/2012/06/05/visual-studio-2012-compatibility-aka-project-round-tripping.aspx

 

 Original Message 
Subject: RE: vs 2010 and 2012
From: Katherine Moss <  
katherine.m...@gordon.edu>
Date: Tue, January 15, 2013 10:45 am
To: ozDotNet <  ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>

I’m rather curious as to why somebody would want to do that though if the 2012 
version supersedes the previous one in so many ways?

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com   
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Loo
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:58 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: vs 2010 and 2012

 

triple yes!

On 15/01/13 12:28, ifum...@gmail.com   wrote:

Can you install vs 2012 in parallel with vs 2010?  

 

 





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-- 
regards,
Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland 

Re: vs 2010 and 2012

[Preet Sangha]

It's annoying how the BI team isn't keeping up with the SQL team. We have
the BI stuff stuff at VS2010, SQL Server at VS2012 (and VS2010), and to top
it all to support existing software the BI stuff VS2008.

I'd love to upgrade the Bi stuff to a better (slightly less opaque DTS/SSRS
and more forgi\ving ) environment


On 16 January 2013 11:20, Greg Low (GregLow.com)  wrote:

> Another is that the SQL BI projects are still all VS2010 based.
>
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>
> Regards,
>
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> Greg
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>
> Dr Greg Low
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> ** **
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax
> 
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> SQL Down Under | Web: *www.sqldownunder.com*
> 
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> ** **
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> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *a...@nomscon.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 16 January 2013 3:15 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet
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> *Subject:* RE: vs 2010 and 2012
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>
> One example is that VS 2012 doesn't support MSI setup (.vdproj) projects.*
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> ** **
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> See the following blogs for additional differences:
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> ** **
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh266747.aspx
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> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zainnab/archive/2012/06/05/visual-studio-2012-compatibility-aka-project-round-tripping.aspx
> 
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> ** **
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>  Original Message 
> Subject: RE: vs 2010 and 2012
> From: Katherine Moss 
> Date: Tue, January 15, 2013 10:45 am
> To: ozDotNet 
>
> I’m rather curious as to why somebody would want to do that though if the
> 2012 version supersedes the previous one in so many ways?
>
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> *From:* *ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com*  [*
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> Behalf Of *David Loo
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:58 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: vs 2010 and 2012
>
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> triple yes!
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> On 15/01/13 12:28, *ifum...@gmail.com*  wrote:
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> Can you install vs 2012 in parallel with vs 2010?  
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> -- 
>
> David Loo
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> MCPD, MCP, MCTS
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> *http://www.davidloo.com* 
>
>


-- 
regards,
Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland

Re: vs 2010 and 2012

[Craig van Nieuwkerk]

I think the problem is they were not working for too many people so vbproj
was killed.

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Wallace Turner wrote:

>  We've got our installers as vdproj. Is there a fancy converter ? :)
>
> Interestingly no one has been that interested in the installers and if its
> they're working then dont change it, so this is a real PITA for us...
>
>

RE: vs 2010 and 2012

[Greg Low (GregLow.com)]

Another is that the SQL BI projects are still all VS2010 based.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax 

SQL Down Under | Web:   www.sqldownunder.com

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of a...@nomscon.com
Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013 3:15 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: vs 2010 and 2012

 

One example is that VS 2012 doesn't support MSI setup (.vdproj) projects.

 

See the following blogs for additional differences:

 

  
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh266747.aspx

 

 
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zainnab/archive/2012/06/05/visual-studio-2012-compatibility-aka-project-round-tripping.aspx

 

 Original Message 
Subject: RE: vs 2010 and 2012
From: Katherine Moss <  
katherine.m...@gordon.edu>
Date: Tue, January 15, 2013 10:45 am
To: ozDotNet <  ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>

I’m rather curious as to why somebody would want to do that though if the 2012 
version supersedes the previous one in so many ways?

 

From:   ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ 
 mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Loo
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:58 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: vs 2010 and 2012

 

triple yes!

On 15/01/13 12:28,   ifum...@gmail.com wrote:

Can you install vs 2012 in parallel with vs 2010?  

 

 






-- 
David Loo
MCPD, MCP, MCTS
  http://www.davidloo.com

Re: vs 2010 and 2012

[Wallace Turner]

We've got our installers as vdproj. Is there a fancy converter ? :)

Interestingly no one has been that interested in the installers and if 
its they're working then dont change it, so this is a real PITA for us...


On 16/01/2013 6:16 AM, Katherine Moss wrote:


Vproj? Eew, use Wix instead!

*From:*ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *a...@nomscon.com

*Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:15 AM
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* RE: vs 2010 and 2012

One example is that VS 2012 doesn't support MSI setup (.vdproj) projects.

See the following blogs for additional differences:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh266747.aspx

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zainnab/archive/2012/06/05/visual-studio-2012-compatibility-aka-project-round-tripping.aspx

 Original Message 
Subject: RE: vs 2010 and 2012
From: Katherine Moss mailto:katherine.m...@gordon.edu>>
Date: Tue, January 15, 2013 10:45 am
To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>

I’m rather curious as to why somebody would want to do that though
if the 2012 version supersedes the previous one in so many ways?

*From:*_ozdotnet-bounces@ozdotnet.com_

[_mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@ozdotnet.com_] *On Behalf Of *David Loo
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:58 AM
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Re: vs 2010 and 2012

triple yes!

On 15/01/13 12:28, _ifumust@gmail.com_ 
wrote:

Can you install vs 2012 in parallel with vs 2010?




-- 


David Loo

MCPD, MCP, MCTS

_http://www.davidloo.com_

RE: vs 2010 and 2012

[Katherine Moss]

Vproj?  Eew, use Wix instead!

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of a...@nomscon.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:15 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: vs 2010 and 2012

One example is that VS 2012 doesn't support MSI setup (.vdproj) projects.

See the following blogs for additional differences:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh266747.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zainnab/archive/2012/06/05/visual-studio-2012-compatibility-aka-project-round-tripping.aspx

 Original Message 
Subject: RE: vs 2010 and 2012
From: Katherine Moss 
mailto:katherine.m...@gordon.edu>>
Date: Tue, January 15, 2013 10:45 am
To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
I’m rather curious as to why somebody would want to do that though if the 2012 
version supersedes the previous one in so many ways?

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Loo
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:58 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: vs 2010 and 2012

triple yes!
On 15/01/13 12:28, ifum...@gmail.com wrote:
Can you install vs 2012 in parallel with vs 2010?






--

David Loo

MCPD, MCP, MCTS

http://www.davidloo.com

RE: vs 2010 and 2012

[alg]

One example is that VS 2012 doesn't support MSI setup (.vdproj) projects.See the following blogs for additional differences:http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh266747.aspxhttp://blogs.msdn.com/b/zainnab/archive/2012/06/05/visual-studio-2012-compatibility-aka-project-round-tripping.aspx


 Original Message 
Subject: RE: vs 2010 and 2012
From: Katherine Moss 
Date: Tue, January 15, 2013 10:45 am
To: ozDotNet 

I’m rather curious as to why somebody would want to do that though if the 2012 version supersedes the previous one in so many ways?     From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Loo Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:58 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: vs 2010 and 2012     triple yes!  On 15/01/13 12:28, ifum...@gmail.com wrote:   Can you install vs 2012 in parallel with vs 2010?       --  David Loo MCPD, MCP, MCTS http://www.davidloo.com

RE: vs 2010 and 2012

[Katherine Moss]

I'm rather curious as to why somebody would want to do that though if the 2012 
version supersedes the previous one in so many ways?

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Loo
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:58 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: vs 2010 and 2012

triple yes!
On 15/01/13 12:28, ifum...@gmail.com wrote:
Can you install vs 2012 in parallel with vs 2010?





--

David Loo

MCPD, MCP, MCTS

http://www.davidloo.com

Re: vs 2010 and 2012

[David Loo]

triple yes!

On 15/01/13 12:28, ifum...@gmail.com wrote:


Can you install vs 2012 in parallel with vs 2010?



--
David Loo
MCPD, MCP, MCTS
http://www.davidloo.com