RE: [OT] Home setup

[Katherine Moss]

Oops.  I never thought that you could go deaf from servers LOL.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Brett Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:33 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Home setup

Just watch out for Industrial deafness then ;)

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Katherine Moss 
mailto:katherine.m...@gordon.edu>> wrote:
Gosh; my computer room's too quiet with three; a Dell Latitude E6530 laptop, my 
mother's Dell Dimension 4600 (15 years old), and my Del PowerEdge T110 server 
with Server 2008 R2, though I think I'm going to upgrade it to Server 2012.  It 
needs to be louder in here!  Unlike most people on this list probably, I am not 
bothered, but enthralled by the noise of computer equipment; the more noise 
from servers and equipment, the better I can work, and the better I feel.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:50 PM

To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: [OT] Home setup

My three servers are:
2 x Micro-servers (1 x N36L + 1 x N40L)
1 x EX495 (HP Home Server)
These are pretty quiet, and also don't generate much heat (I was using them 
when I was living in Singapore). I replaced a single Dell 1400SC server with 
the above, and they have more capability whilst being quieter and cooler. I 
have the VMs setup in a way that I can turn off one of the Microservers without 
impacting much functionality in case it's a really hot day etc.

The rest of the PCs are scattered around the place e.g. a Mac Mini runs Windows 
Media Centre, both my wife and I have a main laptop, we have a shared desktop, 
a HP Slate 500 tablet etc. We don't have them all on at the same time, but even 
if they were, laptops aren't particularly noisy :)

http://www.adopenstatic.com/temp/homenetwork2.jpg is my current physical setup.

I think the other thing that reduces overhead is that I've writen a decent 
amount of documentation (design docs, end user guides etc.). Also, things are 
setup in a corporate rather than SOHO manner e.g. access to everything is by AD 
identity (e.g. 801.1x for wireless through to print queues, mailboxes, scanning 
etc.), which centralises/minimises identity management overhead.

So, if we have someone staying with us for a week, I create an AD account and 
put that account in some groups (depending on what they need access to). They 
can read the end user services guide to work out what they need to do to get 
access to something. Since our machines are domain joined, they can use any 
free computer in the place. When they leave, I just delete/disable their 
account. In the event a machine goes bad for some reason, I can re-image it 
from the backups on the WHS2011.

Now, I don't have teenage kids, so I don't have to deal with the issues that 
this might throw into the mix :)

Cheers
Ken


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Grant Molloy
Sent: Thursday, 14 March 2013 9:45 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: [OT] Home setup


Ken,

Out of interest how loud is your computer room (based on 7pc's and 3 servers?)
On Mar 14, 2013 8:05 AM, "Ken Schaefer" 
mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
The absolute "lowest maintenance" solution just involves turning everything 
off. Unfortunately that usually fails other tests (having certain functionality 
available for use).

Without understanding where your time is going, I think it'd be hard to guess 
what remediation measures to take. I don't think there's anything intrinsically 
wrong with the setup you have today. But obviously there is a need to cut down 
on the time/effort you're spending - just need to understand what you're 
spending time on.

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Grant Molloy
Sent: Wednesday, 13 March 2013 4:22 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: [OT] Home setup


There's no 'major's issue, but it feels like there is always something that 
needs to be done with os.
I do use WU/MU, but in recent times I've had a few failures which have cost me 
lots of time to fix.
Virus/malware not issue as regular scans and daily update checks.
PC and server have auto backups setup.
I have noticed a nice amount of dust on front of cases and CPU heatsinks with 
too much dust, but that's not a biggie...

Maybe I should have asked for the 'lowest maintenance' solution.

Visual Studio once great for blind users, but not anymore: how to work around this and still be able to learn the Windows 8 Runtime interface?

[Katherine Moss]

Hi,
I would hate to have to run two copies of Visual Studio (one 2010 and the other 
2012) on here, for this computer works hard enough, but that's what it's 
looking like will have to happen in order for me to progress in my C# learning, 
for after doing some testing, I realized that most of the parts of the 
interface of Visual Studio that were once accessible to all of my screen 
readers, are now accessible to none; the properties window, the toolbox, the 
project properties multitabbe dialog box, and I'm sure there was one other 
area, of visual studio 2012 are like having nothing there; nothing is read 
allowed.  Try a demo of JAWS from Freedom Scientific or Window-Eyes from 
GWMicro (you can navigate with the mouse for the most part even with screen 
readers enabled), and do a side-by-side comparison of the toolbox especially, 
since this is the real gotcha here.  To test them, use your arrows and your tab 
key to examine the toolbox.  You will notice one thing.  2010 reads, 2012 
doesn't!  And never mind learning the new Windows interface from a programming 
prospective, but I don't think there's a way to enable those templates in VS 
2010?  If there is, please, tell me how.  
The second reason I'm sending this message out is because one ambitious 
technologist like me requesting support from GWMicro, Serotek, and Freedom 
Scientific to give support for the latest version of Visual Studio is not going 
to do much.  I need a ton of us requesting it; maybe even the sighted 
community; to remind these people that the blind community will not bend to 
their will (that is, stop updating the support to support the latest features 
and interfaces properly, so in terms of Visual Studio, restricting blind people 
to the 2010 version if they want to get anything productive done, and the sad 
thing is that most of us just accept that and move on), so that they can give 
up keeping with updated versions.  It's like screen reader manufacturers are 
stuck in the time when from windows version to windows version, things didn't 
change much; it's like they are deliberately refusing to keep up.  Like they're 
stuck in a rut.  And I'll tell you, I'm not having this anymore.  Are you?  
Who's with me on this?  Thanks to everyone on here, and I look forward to this 
discussion continuing.  

Re: ASP.NET app for different devices

[Craig van Nieuwkerk]

I would second Twitter Bootstrap. Allows you to get going with a responsive
interface that looks good on desktop, tablet or mobile.

On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> I would start with twitter bootstrap. It is trivial to build a responsive
> interface and styling past tue default is pretty simple too.
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> --
> From: Arjang Assadi
> Sent: 16/03/2013 10:30 AM
> To: ozDotNet
> Subject: Re: ASP.NET app for different devices
>
> Modernizer, jquery , jquery mobile to star with.
> Brows stack over flow for more recent additions, almost every day there is
> a new framework coming out these a days. Depending on your needs signal or
> not. Most likely you won't be detecting browsers and rendering html
> accordingly, that is the old way of doing things. You would be detecting
> capabilities and working accordingly, kind of like programming purely with
> interfaces. The html will be almost constant for all devices and browsers
> but the java script library would do the rest on client, how ever that is
> when minification needs to kicks in, having said that one might settle for
> the minimum look instead and go for simple but fast loading interface.
>
>
> On 16 March 2013 09:50, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>
>> Folks, I might have to write an ASP.NET app that looks pleasant on
>> different devices such as Desktop, pad and phone. I will have to reliably
>> detect the browsing device and render different html, but I've not needed
>> to do this before. I'll bet someone in here has done this, and if so, can
>> you give me a potted summary of what the tricks are (in the hope you can
>> help me avoid hours of searching and experimental suffering). I'll start
>> running some searches anyway.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Greg K
>>
>
>

RE: ASP.NET app for different devices

[Ben Scott]

I would start with twitter bootstrap. It is trivial to build a responsive
interface and styling past tue default is pretty simple too.

Sent from my Windows Phone
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From: Arjang Assadi
Sent: 16/03/2013 10:30 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: ASP.NET app for different devices

Modernizer, jquery , jquery mobile to star with.
Brows stack over flow for more recent additions, almost every day there is
a new framework coming out these a days. Depending on your needs signal or
not. Most likely you won't be detecting browsers and rendering html
accordingly, that is the old way of doing things. You would be detecting
capabilities and working accordingly, kind of like programming purely with
interfaces. The html will be almost constant for all devices and browsers
but the java script library would do the rest on client, how ever that is
when minification needs to kicks in, having said that one might settle for
the minimum look instead and go for simple but fast loading interface.


On 16 March 2013 09:50, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Folks, I might have to write an ASP.NET app that looks pleasant on
> different devices such as Desktop, pad and phone. I will have to reliably
> detect the browsing device and render different html, but I've not needed
> to do this before. I'll bet someone in here has done this, and if so, can
> you give me a potted summary of what the tricks are (in the hope you can
> help me avoid hours of searching and experimental suffering). I'll start
> running some searches anyway.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg K
>

Re: ASP.NET app for different devices

[Arjang Assadi]

Modernizer, jquery , jquery mobile to star with.
Brows stack over flow for more recent additions, almost every day there is
a new framework coming out these a days. Depending on your needs signal or
not. Most likely you won't be detecting browsers and rendering html
accordingly, that is the old way of doing things. You would be detecting
capabilities and working accordingly, kind of like programming purely with
interfaces. The html will be almost constant for all devices and browsers
but the java script library would do the rest on client, how ever that is
when minification needs to kicks in, having said that one might settle for
the minimum look instead and go for simple but fast loading interface.


On 16 March 2013 09:50, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Folks, I might have to write an ASP.NET app that looks pleasant on
> different devices such as Desktop, pad and phone. I will have to reliably
> detect the browsing device and render different html, but I've not needed
> to do this before. I'll bet someone in here has done this, and if so, can
> you give me a potted summary of what the tricks are (in the hope you can
> help me avoid hours of searching and experimental suffering). I'll start
> running some searches anyway.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg K
>

Re: ASP.NET app for different devices

[Muhammad Niaz Rana]

Dear Greg,
i am also planning for it,best of luck for both of us.:)
but what is my understanding ASP.NET 4.5 WebForms/MVC can be helpful.
Because default asp.net Application is rewritten via Html5 and CSS 3 when
you create new Web App via Visual Studio 2012.

see you later...

On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 1:50 AM, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Folks, I might have to write an ASP.NET app that looks pleasant on
> different devices such as Desktop, pad and phone. I will have to reliably
> detect the browsing device and render different html, but I've not needed
> to do this before. I'll bet someone in here has done this, and if so, can
> you give me a potted summary of what the tricks are (in the hope you can
> help me avoid hours of searching and experimental suffering). I'll start
> running some searches anyway.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg K
>



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Muhammad Niaz
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ASP.NET app for different devices

[Greg Keogh]

Folks, I might have to write an ASP.NET app that looks pleasant on
different devices such as Desktop, pad and phone. I will have to reliably
detect the browsing device and render different html, but I've not needed
to do this before. I'll bet someone in here has done this, and if so, can
you give me a potted summary of what the tricks are (in the hope you can
help me avoid hours of searching and experimental suffering). I'll start
running some searches anyway.

Thanks,
Greg K