Re: slogan

[Justine Caines]

Alphia

I love it but I'm a lefto pinky lunatic!!! I agree it is not catchy enough
for NMAP but I have filed it in case I ever get the book I started written!!
(1 month before the insurance crisis hit!!).

I always remember Sue Cookson's posting on the origin of the word radical
(from the roots) call me radical anyday!

Justine Caines



> I realize that the way this is worded would not be catchy enough for a
> slogan- by the way all of the ideas are fantastic.  But I was reading some
> work by Karl Marx yesterday and there was this quote
> 
> "Man knows no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced labour"
> 
> Actually it is by Friedrich Engels- Marx's partner in crime.  But it just
> hit me that Women know no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced
> labour.  I dont know if it could work at all- but I just thought I would
> share it with all of you.
> 
> Take Care
> Alphia
> Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)
> PhD. Candidate
> School of Sociology and Justice Studies
> Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney
> UWS Locked Bag 1797
> South Penrith Distribution Centre
> NSW 1797 Australia
> 
> Phone: 02 97726628
> Fax: 02 97726584
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communism

[Macha McDonald]

I think maybe you're confusing communism 
with fascism.  A communist, or communism is a social system where people 
share goods and services.  A fascist, or fascism is a one party system of 
government where there are distinct classes and individuals are inferior to the 
state and control is maintained by military force and rigid censorship - quite 
the opposite of communism.  When I think of the way I've been treated by 
some Obs ("I studied for 10 years in medical school, and you are but a minion"), 
and the way they rigidly control a women's experience of birth, I think of 
fascism.  Not to undermine your German patients experience, because many 
communist societies have failed, but I feel obliged to explode the myths about 
communism.  Thats my lesson for the day, and I dont even know how we got to 
that, but anyway!!!  Have a good weekend!
Macha.

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From: Rhonda
Date: Friday, June 
28, 2002 19:28:48
To: Macha McDonald
Subject: RE: 
slogan
 
Isn't that funny - I was telling a woman about how I was treated 
during the birth f my sin and what was said and done and her reaction 
was this..
"I came out here from Communist germany and that is what you would 
have expected there 20 yrs ago - I didn't think that 
sort of treatment was possible - Not in Australia, Not in this day and 
age." 
After that I can only wonder if maybe I was treated worse than 
anyone else ever is or if our Ob's are communists after all?
 
Just something to think about!
 
Rhonda
 
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From: Macha McDonald
Date: Friday, June 
28, 2002 17:18:44
To: ozmidwifery
Subject: RE: 
slogan
 I think because of the stigma stuck to communism in our 
capitalist society,ppl wouldnt appreciate being dictated to about 
Marx, and most would neverhave heard the quote, or even of Marx. 
They also may associate us withcommunists, which I dont think is a 
bad thing, but others may. I like itthough.-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On 
Behalf Of Alphia GarretySent: Friday, 28 June 2002 11:52 AMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
sloganI realize that the way this is worded would not be 
catchy enough for aslogan- by the way all of the ideas are 
fantastic. But I was reading somework by Karl Marx yesterday and 
there was this quote"Man knows no more degrading or unbearable 
misery than forced labour"Actually it is by Friedrich Engels- 
Marx's partner in crime. But it justhit me that Women know no more 
degrading or unbearable misery than forcedlabour. I dont know if it 
could work at all- but I just thought I wouldshare it with all of 
you.Take CareAlphiaAlphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)PhD. 
CandidateSchool of Sociology and Justice StudiesBankstown 
Campus, University of Western SydneyUWS Locked Bag 1797South 
Penrith Distribution CentreNSW 1797 AustraliaPhone: 02 
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pinky

[Macha McDonald]

Go Pinky  I thought that was really good!!!  I think it really
discredited controlled crying anyway.  Keep up the good work, and I'll be
sure to find your book next week.
Regards, Macha.

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Fw: RE: slogan

[Rhonda]

  
  

   
   
  ---Original Message---
   
  
  From: Rhonda
  Date: Friday, June 28, 
  2002 19:28:48
  To: Macha McDonald
  Subject: RE: 
  slogan
   
  Isn't that funny - I was telling a woman about how I was treated 
  during the birth f my sin and what was said and done and her reaction was 
  this..
  "I came out here from Communist germany and that is what you would 
  have expected there 20 yrs ago - I didn't think that sort 
  of treatment was possible - Not in Australia, Not in this day and 
  age." 
  After that I can only wonder if maybe I was treated worse than anyone 
  else ever is or if our Ob's are communists after all?
   
  Just something to think about!
   
  Rhonda
   
  ---Original Message---
   
  
  From: Macha McDonald
  Date: Friday, June 28, 
  2002 17:18:44
  To: ozmidwifery
  Subject: RE: 
  slogan
   I think because of the stigma stuck to communism in our 
  capitalist society,ppl wouldnt appreciate being dictated to about 
  Marx, and most would neverhave heard the quote, or even of Marx. They 
  also may associate us withcommunists, which I dont think is a bad 
  thing, but others may. I like itthough.-Original 
  Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On 
  Behalf Of Alphia GarretySent: Friday, 28 June 2002 11:52 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
  sloganI realize that the way this is worded would not be 
  catchy enough for aslogan- by the way all of the ideas are fantastic. 
  But I was reading somework by Karl Marx yesterday and there was this 
  quote"Man knows no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced 
  labour"Actually it is by Friedrich Engels- Marx's partner in 
  crime. But it justhit me that Women know no more degrading or 
  unbearable misery than forcedlabour. I dont know if it could work at 
  all- but I just thought I wouldshare it with all of you.Take 
  CareAlphiaAlphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)PhD. CandidateSchool 
  of Sociology and Justice StudiesBankstown Campus, University of 
  Western SydneyUWS Locked Bag 1797South Penrith Distribution 
  CentreNSW 1797 AustraliaPhone: 02 97726628Fax: 02 
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Controlled crying

[JoFromOz]

Dear Pinky and Group...
How do you think Pinky's point of view was portrayed on ACA 
tonight?? I thought it was fairly good although (as always) it did tend 
towards the thought that Pinky is 'alternative' going against the 'experts' but 
I loved the answer that the parents are the experts :)
 
Well done Pinky!! 
 
Jo
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky 
  McKay 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 8:52 AM
  Subject: insurance
  
  Dear Joy,
   This is so sad for you and parents, but 
  perhaps it will demonstrate to people how desperate the situation is to have 
  wise women put in this position.
  Best wishes,
  Pinky

Re: Hospital trials birth monitor:Courier Mail news report (QLD)

[Debby M]

Just out of interest. My midwife told me about this study.  It is part of a world wide trial that has been going on for some time.  
We were talking about fetal distress at the time as I had indicated that if there were suss intermittent readings then I was not happy just to accept normal CTG and had indicated that I would want ph testing to confirm oxygenation before I agreed to go to any more drastic actions for fetal distress.  She indicated that this study involved placing the oxygen monitors onto the baby's scalp in a similar fashion to the fetal scalp monitor but without breaking the babys skin and then if the resulting oxygenation readings were reassuring they would take conservative management of the situation rather than intervene immediately just because of late decels etc.   She did indicate it was entirely voluntary and was not even offered to women unless there was already a suspicion of fetal distress.
I am not a midwife but it sounded logical to me - mostly because my first was a csec for fetal distress (late decels) with no confirmatory fetal scalp monitoring or ph blood testing and when they delivered him (1hr 45mins later) he came out as pink as can be with APGARS of 9 and 10.  
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