RE: [ozmidwifery] midwife is a midwife...?

[hplerchbacher]

Then there are others who cannot (will not) differentiate the
differences between midwives and registered nurses. What about
Queensland Health & the employing authority who persistently refused to
backpay hospital trained midwives for their entitled qualification
allowances? I wonder how many midwives are surviving the holistic
journey? If Merrill of RWBH reads this, please forward any development
from the recent ACMI/QNU meeting. 
Just to air my grief. 
Ping 


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RE: [ozmidwifery] Queensland Midwives - Qualification allowance

[hplerchbacher]

Hi Louse, 
Please email me off the list for a copy of the letter by RWH. 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ping

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Queensland Midwives - Response required

[hplerchbacher]

Title: RE: [ozmidwifery] Queensland Midwives - Response required






Just returned from QNU workshop on "Knowing your entitlements". Midwives from Royal Brisbane-Women's have drafted a powerful letter. Our midwives have adapted that letter and many have signed and ready to be sent to the Premier and Gordon Nutall. If anyone want a copy of the letter, please email me off the list. The maternity units could not function without the hospital trained midwives. 

Ping Bullock


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RE: [ozmidwifery] babies in recovery room

[hplerchbacher]

I wonder if anyone heard the Obstetrician(?) said the mother will be "as
good as gold after a couple of hours". Wonder also if the TV crew is
going to follow up on the postnatal period - how the mother will cope
with the pain, the feeding, etc with a fresh surgical wound from CS. The
media has really got to the prospective parents. Feedback from my recent
Antenatal classes (it is too short to be called Childbirth Education, we
have budget for two sessions only), that they were disappointed not to
see a video on CS despite the so very many positive aspects of the
classes. 

Ping 
Mackay


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RE: [ozmidwifery] fetal heart in labour

[hplerchbacher]

Dear Lesley, 

Checking in my little "Evidence based guidelines for midwifery led care
in labour" produced by NHS Sheffield Teaching Hospital, page 12 says all
about fetal heart rate monitoring: 
- every 15 minutes during first stage
- every 5 minutes in the second stage
Hope this helps

Ping Bullock

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Advise, encouragement, support

[hplerchbacher]

Title: Message



Agree with Justine. The Health Care Complaints Commissioner 
will need to know about the malpractice. It is brutality beyond the scope 
of professionalism. There should be no argument that this should 
stop. Keep encouraging the women to write their stories to the Health 
Commissioner,  cc to the obstetricians/ nurse managers/DON/Medical 
Directors etc. What about the media? They are always keen to publish health 
issues. It may mean exposing yourself as well. 

 
Good luck, it is a hard road to travel. Let us know what follows. It will 
encourage others in similar boat. 
 
PBullok
 
 


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RE: [ozmidwifery] weighing babies on Day 3

[hplerchbacher]

Agree with you the big discrepancy of Day 3 weighing. 

In our unit, we are still weighing babies on Day 3. However, we also
take into consideration other factors eg. wet naps, feeding pattern,
color etc. Not all babies are weighed on discharge. Those babies that
are discharged on Day 2 will be followed up by the Midwife co-ordinating
the Extended Midwifery Services (EMS) who is responsible for postnatal
home visit.

NST usually done on Day 4. Again usually by the EMS. 

Hope this helps. 

Ping






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RE: [ozmidwifery] meconium stained liquor

[hplerchbacher]

Title: Message



Dear Jo, 
Please explain the grading system of Mec I, II & III. Presumably Mec 
III is the worst. 
Ping

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  JoFromOzSent: 03 October 2003 13:06To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] meconium 
  stained liquor
  We do suction on the perineum for all Mec, and anything 
  more than light staining warrants a paed at birth.  Here they use a 
  grading system, Mec I, II and III.   I haven't used that before in 
  Victoria, but everyone seems to use it here in WA.
   
  Jo
   
   Original Message From: linda 
  kamchevskiTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, October 
  02, 2003 2:13 PMSubject: [ozmidwifery] meconium stained 
  liquor> I was just reading on another list 
  that suctioning on perineum for> mec liquor is a practice that is old 
  new now and not being used all> over.  At my unit we suction on 
  perineum all mec liqour.  > > wot are others doing.> 
  > linda-- 
  Babies are Born... Pizzas are delivered.
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Noosa area midwife

[hplerchbacher]

Title: Message



Hi Terry, 

Are are 
travelling any further from Noosa? Will you be at the Darwin Conference? Would 
love to catch up. 
Ping

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Child Birth 
  Information ServiceSent: 27 August 2003 12:04To: 
  Ozmidwifery mailing listSubject: [ozmidwifery] Noosa area 
  midwife
  Hello,
  I'm coming up to Noosa for a holiday on the 10 
  September and wish to catch up with midwives around that area and find out 
  what is happening to midwifery and homebirths and just talk little shop and 
  exchange info.
  Terry Stockdale
  Independent Midwife
  Tasmania
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[ozmidwifery] Missed Emails

[hplerchbacher]

Title: Message



Dear Listers, 

If anyone has been trying to 
contact me in the past 48 hours, my system was crashed but now working again. 
Please resend all messages. Thank you
 
Ping


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Cervidil mailout

[hplerchbacher]

Same here. I thought perhaps QNC may have released 
our names. 
Ping

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Leigh Evans 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 11:48 
AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Cervidil 
  mailout
  
  Yes, I got it too. Leigh
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Tom, Tania and 
Sam Smallwood 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 8:07 
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Cervidil 
mailout

Was anyone else on the list the lucky recipient of the 
cute little Cervidil brochure last week?  I wondered how they accessed 
my details and so fired off this email to the product manager using some of 
the quotes they spout off as the benefits of Cervidil
 
 
""Dear Sue, 
 
I am writing to request information on how I managed to 
become a recipient of the recent mailout of information about 
Cervadil.  I am not aware of having provided my details to CSL, 
although I may have, and would be interested to know how my name became 
included on your list.  
 
I would also appreciate it if you would not send any 
further information, and please remove me from your mailing list.  I 
work as an independent midwife, and have no interest in ripening women's 
cervices, as the women I birth with seem to be able to manage this quite 
well without any interference from me!  I provide 'effective and well 
tolerated' support as a midwife, and I'm told by the WHO that my services 
are 'cost effective' too!  
 
Thank you, in anticipation of your response,
 
Tania Smallwood"
 
 
Now comes the good bit, I'm appalled to say that this was her 
response
 
 
"Hi Tania,CSL hired the list for the mailing from the Australasian 
College of Midwives. We hired the list as a once-off and will not hire it 
again.However, you are obviously completely within your rights to ask 
them to keep your name off all future mailings. It would probably be best if 
you do this as I don't think I can do this on your behalf.Thanks for 
your response.Regards, Sue"
 
Does it disturb anyone else that the ACMI are selling our details to a 
drug company (or anyone for that matter?), or am I jumping the gun?  I 
just normally recycle this type of propaganda, but this really has me riled 
up.  I'm in the middle of writing to the ACMI for an explanation, but 
was just wondering if anyone else thought the same way as I did?
 
Cheers
 
Tania
 
 
 
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[ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep

[hplerchbacher]

Dear Wise Listers, 
 
Has anyone heard of this program called "Sleep Baby 
Sleep". One of the woman emailed someone and had quote of this superb course to 
positive routine management for $500. Please check out the website www.sleepbabysleep.net
 
I told the woman and her husband to utilise local 
support instead. Is this a scam?
 
Ping 
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] GP's and OB's selling Elevit Vitamin Supplement

[hplerchbacher]

Hi Deidre, 
 
Elevit (spelt without the 'e')  is 
a supplement of 'vitamins & minerals for pregnancy & 
lactation' (so printed on the package). Produced by Roche. The 
starter pack consists of 5 tablets, one for each day. I believe 
the drug companies distribute free samples to GPs and Obstetricians as a mean of 
marketing. 
 
Each tablet contains:
 
11 Vitamins 
Thiamine nitrate (Vitamin B1)     
            1.55 mg
Riboflavine (Vitamin B2)     
            
    1.8 mg
Nicotinamide (Vitamin 
B3)  
    19 mg
Calcium pantothenate (Vitamin B5)    
    10 mg
Pyridoxine hydrochloride (Vitamin 
B6) 2.6 mg
Cynocobalamin (Vitamin B12)    
            4.0 
microgram
Ascorbic acid (Vitamin C)    
            
  100 mg
Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D3)    
                12.5 
microgram
dl-a-Tocopherol acetate (Vitamin 
E)  15 mg
Biofin (Vitamin H)    
                
                200 
microgram
Folic acid        
                
                
        800 mircogram
 
7 Minerals and trace 
elements
Calcium        
                
                
        125 mg
Iron        
                
                
                60 
mg
Magnesium        
                
                
    100 mg
Phosphorus        
                
                
    125 mg
Copper        
                
                
            1 mg
Manganese        
                
                
    1 mg
Zinc        
                
                
                7.5 
mg
 
Some of our mothers take it because it has all the 
vitamins, especially vitamin C, which helps iron absorption. Usually 
recommended by GPs. I believe it is a little bit more expensive than the 
ordinary iron supplements. The tablet itself is actually huge. May be off 
putting for mothers who have difficulty with taking tablets 
 
You can contact Roche Consumer Health on its free 
call 1800 023 884 for further details. I only know all these because I picked 
up a sample when I was in NACE conference in Sydney. : --))   

 
Hope the above info helps. 
 
Ping B. 
   

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dierdre Bowman 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] GP's and OB's 
  selling Elevit Vitamin Supplement
  
  What are elevit samples, excuse my 
  ignorance
  Dierdre B.
   
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Re: [ozmidwifery] midwifery in India

[hplerchbacher]

Hi Julie, 
 
Not sure about being wise but I may be able to help 
you with your plan to visit India. 
 
In January this year, I happened to be in 
India and visited 2 big private hospitals in Delhi - Ganga Ram and the 
Apollo. Managed to talk a few key people, Administrator, DON, Head of School of 
Nursing, Obstetricians etc.
 
I am pretty sure they would welcome volunteers. In 
fact, the Head of SON of Ganga Ram asked me if there is any exchange program in 
placed so the nurses could gain experience in Australia. 
 
If you like to know more, please email off the list 
so I could give you a few contacts. Just need to hunt for them. I had some 
photos as well of my visit. 
 
Ping Bullock (nee Lerchbacher)PO Box 
5569Mackay Mail CentreMackay 4741
 
Phone: 07 49 527 640Mobile: 0422 583 
825Fax: 07 49 527 606
 
 
 
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Garratt 
  To: Ozmid ; Bmid 
  Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 9:27 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] midwifery in 
  India
  
  Hello wise people:)
     
  A few of the Bmid students and I are planing a trip to India this Christmas to 
  experience midwifery in another culture. What we're wondering is have any of 
  you been over there and had any birth experiences with Indian women. 
  
  Do you think we could volenteer at a hospital or 
  midwifery clinic? 
  Does anyone have any contacts?
  Were only in the planning stages at the 
  moment and your imput would be great.
  Cheers, Julie'', 
   
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery/birthing services Gold Coast

[hplerchbacher]

Just need to locate her card. Chris is her name. 
She does homebirths etc. May be able to help. If you email off the list, I will 
have a hunt for her card. 
 
Ping

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Carolyn 
  Pettit 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 9:42 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery/birthing 
  services Gold Coast
  
  Can anyone on the list provide me with 
  information about birthing services/choices in the Gold Coast Area for a woman 
  who has had 3 previous C/S and wanting a VBAC. 
  Carolyn
   
   
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Message from Lynne Staff: Side-by-Side Conference

[hplerchbacher]

Hi Ronda,
I did the same thing too. Double checked all calendars in the house!
It is actually on Saturday 21 June. Talked to Doris of Selangor Private 
Hosp. 
Cost $150 prior to 30 May (today!) and $170 after than. Not sure about ACMI 
discount. Have to ring on Monday to ask Julie. Lynne is away in UK. And Irene is 
on hols. Doris is my informant!
Ping

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Rhonda 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Message from 
  Lynne Staff: Side-by-Side Conference
  
  


  
 
Hmm -  on my callendar there are only 30 days in 
June. 
 
So which callendar are you working from?
 
Just pointing that out!  *grin*
 
regards
rhonda.
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, May 30, 
2003 16:46:08
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 
[ozmidwifery] Message from Lynne Staff: Side-by-Side 
Conference
 Hi EverybodyA quick note to remind you that the 
Side By Side conference is on at the Noosa Lakes resort 
on June 31st. This conference 
is a day-long one, with co-presentations by midwives and 
obstetricians about working together with and for women.Topics 
and themes include:Collaborative Care, two perspectives Lynne Staff 
and Ted WeaverWhat Is Normal Birth? James MoirWhat should be the 
Correct Caesarean Rate? George Bogiatzis(I can hear you all telling 
me the answers to that one already!!!)Aligning Birth Centre Care 
within the Medicolegal system - James OrfordAntenatal Education, 
Women, Midwives and Obstetricians Sharing, Making a Difference - 
Donna ThompsonWorking With Women Beyond the Birth Andrea 
CornthwaiteWaterbirth - obstetric and paediatric experiences Andrew 
Davidson and Tom HurleyThe Care In Partnership Program (Caseload 
in the private sector) Irene Kinmond.Please contact Irene 
Kinmond at Nambour Selangor Maternity Unit on 07 5450 4350 or email 
her on <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Looking 
forward to seing as many of you who can comeRegards, 
Lynne-Andrea RobertsonBirth International * ACE 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Message from Lynne Staff: Side-by-Side Conference

[hplerchbacher]

Hi Andrea,

Just been talking to Doris. She asked me to pass on the details of the
conference.
Conference date: Saturday 21 June 2003
Costs: $159 early bird before 30 May; otherwise $170.
One day workshop starts @ 9am and ends @ 5pm.
I have tried to email to Irene. It came back as Mail System Error.
Forgot to ask about conference venue. Sorry.
Ping



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From: "Andrea Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 4:00 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Message from Lynne Staff: Side-by-Side Conference


> Hi Everybody
> A quick note to remind you that the Side By Side conference is on at the
> Noosa Lakes resort on June 31st.
> This conference is a day-long one, with co-presentations by midwives and
> obstetricians about working together with and for women.
> Topics and themes include:
> Collaborative Care, two perspectives  Lynne Staff and Ted Weaver
> What Is Normal Birth? James Moir
> What should be the Correct Caesarean Rate? George Bogiatzis(I can hear you
> all telling me the answers to that one already!!!)
> Aligning Birth Centre Care within the Medicolegal system - James Orford
> Antenatal Education, Women, Midwives and Obstetricians Sharing, Making a
> Difference - Donna Thompson
> Working With Women Beyond the Birth Andrea Cornthwaite
> Waterbirth - obstetric and paediatric experiences Andrew Davidson and Tom
> Hurley
> The Care In Partnership Program (Caseload in the private sector) Irene
Kinmond.
>
> Please contact Irene Kinmond at Nambour Selangor Maternity Unit on 07 5450
> 4350 or email her on <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Looking forward to seing as many of you who can come
> Regards, Lynne
>
> -
> Andrea Robertson
> Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education
>
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> web: www.birthinternational.com
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Re: [ozmidwifery] risks of 4th c/s and support for artificial feeding

[hplerchbacher]

Dear Jo,

Thank you for posting the story. I wonder if the story could be posted
somewhere for obstetricians to read and reflect.

Last night we had a twin mother admitted @ 33 gestation. The obstetrician
did a VE and ARM at 3cm cervical dilatation. By the time I got to see her,
she was contracting irregularly, weak. And nervous to say the least about
Epidural which was imposed on her. Middle of the night she had syntocinon
infusion. This mother is G4 with first babe forceps for failure to descent;
second and third babe SVD.

I feel very disillusioned that I cannot be an active advocate in her care.
She was a Private Patient. No wonder midwife is a dying breed.

Ping




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From: "jo hunter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] risks of 4th c/s and support for artificial
feeding


> I give HAS' permission to post this story. It is quite long but worth the
> read!
> Jo
>
> Caesarean, Caesarean, Caesarean, Natural Birth
> By Clare Colman
>
> I was 24, healthy, a newly admitted lawyer.  I booked in to see a private
> obstetrician in a large maternity hospital.  I read pregnancy books.  I
> attended the hospital classes.  I had complete faith in the system and
knew
> nothing of the politics of birth.
>
> The pregnancy went smoothly, until 38 weeks when my obstetrician sent me
for
> a pelvimetry.  I'm now sure it had more to do with my size (a petite
150cm)
> and my occupation than any health risk.  The results had shown my pelvis
to
> be "inadequate" and an elective caesar scheduled.  I was devastated, but
the
> compromise was that I could undergo a trial of labour, so long as I came
to
> hospital at the first sign of labour.  I was told, since the baby hadn't
> engaged, I could have a cord prolapse and then "we have 8 minutes to get
the
> baby out before it dies".  So at 2am on his due date, I had the show and
> rang the hospital!  I was there by 4am.  Labour hadn't even started but no
> one suggested I go home.  No sustenance, no sleep, on my feet till 6pm.
By
> then I was exhausted, starving, discouraged, only 2cm.  I didn't even see
my
> doctor, who was not available that weekend.  I agreed to an epidural and
the
> inevitable caesar.  Andrew was born at 2.20am on 10.1.94, weighing
3.195kg.
>
> The operation itself was not physically painful, but I felt totally
detached
> from what was going on, as if I was an observer.  I think this was a
coping
> mechanism at the time - I was hooked up to so much equipment - electrodes
on
> my chest, automatic blood pressure cuff on my arm (which cut off the
> circulation every minute or so), electrodes on my thumb, cannula and drip
in
> my arm, oxygen mask on my face (nifty shower cap too), catheter in my
spine,
> catheter for my bladder, naked and numb from the chest down, belly swabbed
> in brown antiseptic, and a screen between "me" and the surgery.  My
husband
> was sitting beside me, and there was a team of 7 or 8 staff members.
>
> In recovery my body shook violently for about 15 minutes, which I was told
> was a normal reaction to an epidural.  I slept for a couple of hours and
> woke to the most pain I had ever felt.  I had never had any serious injury
> or illness in my life before - it was like having been hit by a truck.  I
> spent that day in bed.  I couldn't even roll over from one side to the
other
> without 2 nurses assisting.  Pethidine shots in the thigh every four hours
> made me feel dopey and sleepy, and helped detach from the pain, but also
> made connection with my new baby extremely difficult.  I didn't even think
> he was really mine.  I just wanted to be left alone to sleep and make the
> pain go away.  The next day I had to get out of bed, and walk to the other
> end of the ward for a shower.  I thought I was going to pass out with
pain,
> and kept apologising to the nurse for being so slow!
>
> Physically each day got a little easier as I became more mobile and the
> intensity of the pain eased, but the thought of having to take a baby home
> and care for it made me feel sheer panic.  I felt like I had failed the
> first test of motherhood in having not been able to give birth,
> breastfeeding was not going well, I felt no connection with my baby and I
> had lost faith in my body.
>
> Many of the feelings that flowed from my caesarean were gradual rather
than
> immediate, but they included a profound sense of loss, inadequacy, failure
> and sadness, guilt that I was not more grateful for the health of my
child,
> and eventually anger at the circumstances which led to the caesar and the
> way I was treated afterwards.  (I was sent home with an infected wound,
> cracked nipples, a thrush infection and no follow-up care.  It was 9 weeks
> before I was able to see my doctor for a post-natal checkup, because she
was
> fully booked!)
>
> The second caesarean 2 years later added a sense of powerlessness in the
> face of medical technology and the docto

Re: [ozmidwifery] Headline - Self-hypnosis takes the pain out of giving birth

[hplerchbacher]

Hi Marilyn,
Yes, it is true. Entonox and pethidine may be used in birthing centre. At
least in our birthing centres. Although most went the natural way.
Ping
- Original Message - 
From: "Marilyn Kleidon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Headline - Self-hypnosis takes the pain out of
giving birth


> Please correct me if I am wrong but women who birth in birth centres in
> Australia can use both pethidine and etonox can't they? If so, this is a
big
> difference between them and their namesakes (alternative birthing centers
> and free standing birth centers) in the USA where 1. etonox is just never
> used anywhere in the USA(americans just don't use it, canadians do
however)
> and 2. if you need demerol (pethidine or any other pharmacological pain
> relief) you are transferred to the regular delivery suite. All
> non-pharmacological options for pain relief are fine however.
>
> marilyn
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Denise Hynd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 5:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Headline - Self-hypnosis takes the pain out of
> giving birth
>
>
> > Dear All
> > I think Jackson the hypnobirther is a practitioner down Bowral way and
was
> > on the list as Marilyn said last November.
> > Sad there was no reference to the relationship between the low and
> > decreasing level of drug free labour in NSW and different models of
care.
> > For example the corresponding low and decreasing level of Birth Centre
or
> > midwifery options for NSW women which is where the majority of this drug
> > free labour happens.
> > Uninformed readers of the article would think it is low because that is
> > "Normal" for women to need and benefit from epidurals and other drug
> > relief!!
> >
> > Denise
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "alphia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:58 PM
> > Subject: [ozmidwifery] Headline - Self-hypnosis takes the pain out of
> giving
> > birth
> >
> >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > alphia wants you to know about a story on www.smh.com.au
> > >
> > >
> > > Personal Message:
> > > article on hypnobirthing found within the SMH.
> > >
> > > Self-hypnosis takes the pain out of giving birth
> > > By Bonnie Malkin
> > > March 22 2003
> > >
> > > URL: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/21/1047749923780.html
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