[PD] pd running fine, then unexpectedly freezing on ubuntu

[hard off]

i just installed pd-extended in ubuntu studio, and played around with the
jack settings so as to avoid A/D/A errors..and it seemed to be working ok.


but then all of a sudden, after 10 or 15 minutes, pd will just freeze.  this
happened about 5 or 6 times today, so it wasn't a one off.

what's more, after it freezes, if i force pd to quit, and try to open it
again, the pd console comes up, but all the menus are blank and nothing
works, so i have to restart the entire computer to make pd work again.

the pd console is giving me SIMD messages, which i never saw before on os
X...  could that be somehow related to what is happening?
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Re: [PD] iem16_array.o: No such file or directory

[Georg Holzmann]

already fixed ...


Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>  From the auto-builds, on all UNIX machines:
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun,  3 Jun 2007 07:36:32 -0400 (EDT)
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (pd)
> Subject: [PD-cvs] autobuild: pd-extended debian-testing-powerpc
>   2007-06-03  06.28.44
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Message-ID:
>   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> gcc -DPD -O2 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer  -ffast-math -Wall - 
> W -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch -DGEM2PDP_VERSION=\"0.6\" - 
> g  -g -O2 -I/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/pd/src -I. -I/home/pd/ 
> auto-build/pd-extended/externals/pdp/include  -I/home/pd/auto-build/ 
> pd-extended/Gem/src  -o yuv.o -c yuv.c
> gcc -export_dynamic -shared -o gem2pdp.pd_linux gem2pdp.o yuv.o -lm
> g++ -DPD -O2 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer  -ffast-math -Wall - 
> W -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch -DGEM2PDP_VERSION=\"0.6\" - 
> g  -g -O2 -I/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/pd/src -I. -I/home/pd/ 
> auto-build/pd-extended/externals/pdp/include  -I/home/pd/auto-build/ 
> pd-extended/Gem/src  -o pdp2gem.o -c pdp2gem.cpp
> pdp2gem.cpp: In member function ‘void pdp2gem::pdpMess(t_symbol*, int)’:
> pdp2gem.cpp:137: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will  
> break strict-aliasing rules
> gcc -export_dynamic -shared -o pdp2gem.pd_linux pdp2gem.o yuv.o -lm
> g++ -DPD -O2 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer  -ffast-math -Wall - 
> W -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch -DGEM2PDP_VERSION=\"0.6\" - 
> g  -g -O2 -I/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/pd/src -I. -I/home/pd/ 
> auto-build/pd-extended/externals/pdp/include  -I/home/pd/auto-build/ 
> pd-extended/Gem/src  -o pix_2pdp.o -c pix_2pdp.cpp
> gcc -export_dynamic -shared -o pix_2pdp.pd_linux pix_2pdp.o yuv.o -lm
> make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/externals/ 
> gem2pdp'
> cc  -Wl,-export_dynamic  -shared -o /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/ 
> externals/iem16/src/tab16read.pd_linux /home/pd/auto-build/pd- 
> extended/externals/iem16/src/iem16_array.o /home/pd/auto-build/pd- 
> extended/externals/iem16/src/iem16_table.o -lm -lc
> cc: /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/externals/iem16/src/ 
> iem16_array.o: No such file or directory
> cc: /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/externals/iem16/src/ 
> iem16_table.o: No such file or directory
> make[2]: *** [/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/externals/iem16/src/ 
> tab16read.pd_linux] Error 1
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/externals'
> make[1]: *** [externals_install] Error 2
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages'
> make: *** [install] Error 2
> upload specs linux_make build tar.bz2
> Uploading /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build/ 
> Pd*.tar.bz2
> ls: /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build/ 
> Pd*.tar.bz2: No such file or directory
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc2 released!

[hard off]

which one to use with ubuntu studio?  it seems to only come with vanilla pd.
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc2 released!

[palmieri, ricardo]

what codec are u using in your qt mov?

p!

2007/6/4, Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Sorry, i've always the same problem with PDP with Macos 10.4.8.
When i try to load QT movie with pdp_qt, there is error message :
pdp_qt : WARNING : unsupported video codec
pdp_qt : WARNING : unsupported audio codec
pdp_qt : ERROR : no usable video stream found.

Le 4 juin 07 à 22:46, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :

>
> http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
>
> After a long pause, it's time for another release. That means Release
> Candidate 2!! Almost there! Yes, there are a couple known bugs, and
> most definitely unknown bugs. Let's find them and make a final
> release!
>
>  * Bitstream Vera Sans Mono is now default font on Windows and
> GNU/Linux
>  * Bitstream Vera Sans Mono is included in the Windows installer
>  * Monaco is the default font on Mac OS X
>  * fixed GUI size, should actually be the same size on all
> platforms now
>  * pdp and pidip should support quicktime/mjpeg/png and theora now
>  * pdp_ieee1394 included on Mac OS X
>  * the Mac OS X package looks much better, thanks to Steffen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  * default preferences are embedded into the Pd.app on Mac OS X
>  * revamped font flags and added '-font-weight' flag
>
> A couple of known issues:
>
>  * it's still missing Gem font support on Mac OS X :(
>  * the delread~/sqrt~ bug is still not fixed :(
>
> Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!
>
> http://puredata.org/dev/bugtracker.
>
> .hc
>
>
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> --
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] OPEN technologies workshop, Zaragoza, Spain, June 26th - July 1st

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Well, the workshop is free, and you might be able to find someone to  
crash with, so it would just be the cost of getting there.

.hc

On Jun 4, 2007, at 11:31 PM, David Powers wrote:

> OMG I was born in Zaragoza and I haven't been back since I was 5... I
> would do almost ANYTHING to be able to attend this... if only I made
> more money, ah well... Sorry to be a little OT.
>
> ~David
>
> On 6/4/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> OPEN technologies workshop, Zaragoza, Spain, June 26th - July 1st
>>
>> http://www.0j0.org/pmwiki/index.php/Events/GohanDevelopmentJun07
>>
>> *** FREE WORKSHOP ANNOUNCEMENT ***
>>
>> Arduino, Pd, and Processing are becoming more and more intertwined.
>> Sensors controlling software synthesis, robots controlled by video
>> tracking, custom musical instruments, and more. We are a collection
>> of developers working with these free software tools. Join us to work
>> on projects of these combinations, or help us create new
>> possibilities by bringing these tools ever more intertwined.
>>
>> This event is a combination of a hacklab and a barcamp. We are
>> following the ad hoc, participant-driven nature of the barcamp in
>> combination with the collaborative work studio environment of a
>> hacklab. If you have not been to a hacklab, barcamp, and/or
>> unconference before, here are a couple of good references to get an
>> idea of the way it is done:
>>
>> BarCamp on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp
>>
>> There will be workshops and talks, and plenty of time to work. We
>> will all be working together to create projects which will then be
>> exhibited in Zaragoza. Bring one or more of the following: ideas,
>> projects, a desire to learn, a desire to teach. Come everyday to pick
>> up skills and finish your project. Come whenever you can to learn new
>> bits and pieces, and help build compelling things to exhibit!
>>
>> Dates & Location:
>> June 26th (Tuesday) - July 1st (Sunday)
>> Centro de Historia
>> Pl. San Agustín 2
>> 50002 Zaragoza - Spain
>> http://www.zaragoza.es/centrodehistoria/
>>
>> Team - Guest developers:
>> * Hans-Christoph Steiner, Pd, Polytechnic University, community
>> management
>> * Emanuele Roman, Processing, visual representation[visio imaginorum
>> sonus est]
>> * XÄ, Pd, electronic music
>>
>> Team - Resident developers:
>> * David Cuartielles from Arduino
>> * Marcos Yarza from Libelium, physical interfaces
>>
>> Join us! Just sign up on the register page!
>>
>> http://www.0j0.org/pmwiki/index.php/Jun07/Register
>>
>> If you live near Zaragoza and are willing to host people, please mark
>> that on the registration page.  If you want to come and need a place
>> to stay, contact people on the registration page who marked
>> themselves as hosts.
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> - 
>> ---
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc2 released!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Hmm... try pdp_yqt.  Also, try opening the movie included in the  
"media" folder in the Help Browser "midr-mjpeg.mov".

.hc

On Jun 4, 2007, at 9:56 PM, Jack wrote:

> I try H264, MPEG4, PNG, JPEG but always and always the same error  
> message ! :
> pdp_qt : WARNING : unsupported video codec
> pdp_qt : ERROR : no usable video stream found
>
> Powerbook G4 12''
> X11 1.1 XFree86 4.4.0
> PD 0.39.2 Extended-rc2 (Download today)
>
> Jack
>
> Le 5 juin 07 à 03:07, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
>
>>
>> pdp_qt/pdp_yqt doesn't work with all codecs (yet?).  Try MJPEG,  
>> JPEG, PNG.  Those are among the best codecs to use for live video  
>> processing anyway since they take the least CPU to decode.
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Jack wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, i've always the same problem with PDP with Macos 10.4.8.
>>> When i try to load QT movie with pdp_qt, there is error message :
>>> pdp_qt : WARNING : unsupported video codec
>>> pdp_qt : WARNING : unsupported audio codec
>>> pdp_qt : ERROR : no usable video stream found.
>>>
>>> Le 4 juin 07 à 22:46, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
>>>

 http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html

 After a long pause, it's time for another release. That means  
 Release
 Candidate 2!! Almost there! Yes, there are a couple known bugs, and
 most definitely unknown bugs. Let's find them and make a final
 release!

  * Bitstream Vera Sans Mono is now default font on Windows and
 GNU/Linux
  * Bitstream Vera Sans Mono is included in the Windows  
 installer
  * Monaco is the default font on Mac OS X
  * fixed GUI size, should actually be the same size on all
 platforms now
  * pdp and pidip should support quicktime/mjpeg/png and  
 theora now
  * pdp_ieee1394 included on Mac OS X
  * the Mac OS X package looks much better, thanks to Steffen
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  * default preferences are embedded into the Pd.app on Mac OS X
  * revamped font flags and added '-font-weight' flag

 A couple of known issues:

  * it's still missing Gem font support on Mac OS X :(
  * the delread~/sqrt~ bug is still not fixed :(

 Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!

 http://puredata.org/dev/bugtracker.

 .hc


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] OPEN technologies workshop, Zaragoza, Spain, June 26th - July 1st

[David Powers]

OMG I was born in Zaragoza and I haven't been back since I was 5... I
would do almost ANYTHING to be able to attend this... if only I made
more money, ah well... Sorry to be a little OT.

~David

On 6/4/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> OPEN technologies workshop, Zaragoza, Spain, June 26th - July 1st
>
> http://www.0j0.org/pmwiki/index.php/Events/GohanDevelopmentJun07
>
> *** FREE WORKSHOP ANNOUNCEMENT ***
>
> Arduino, Pd, and Processing are becoming more and more intertwined.
> Sensors controlling software synthesis, robots controlled by video
> tracking, custom musical instruments, and more. We are a collection
> of developers working with these free software tools. Join us to work
> on projects of these combinations, or help us create new
> possibilities by bringing these tools ever more intertwined.
>
> This event is a combination of a hacklab and a barcamp. We are
> following the ad hoc, participant-driven nature of the barcamp in
> combination with the collaborative work studio environment of a
> hacklab. If you have not been to a hacklab, barcamp, and/or
> unconference before, here are a couple of good references to get an
> idea of the way it is done:
>
> BarCamp on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp
>
> There will be workshops and talks, and plenty of time to work. We
> will all be working together to create projects which will then be
> exhibited in Zaragoza. Bring one or more of the following: ideas,
> projects, a desire to learn, a desire to teach. Come everyday to pick
> up skills and finish your project. Come whenever you can to learn new
> bits and pieces, and help build compelling things to exhibit!
>
> Dates & Location:
> June 26th (Tuesday) - July 1st (Sunday)
> Centro de Historia
> Pl. San Agustín 2
> 50002 Zaragoza - Spain
> http://www.zaragoza.es/centrodehistoria/
>
> Team - Guest developers:
> * Hans-Christoph Steiner, Pd, Polytechnic University, community
> management
> * Emanuele Roman, Processing, visual representation[visio imaginorum
> sonus est]
> * XÄ, Pd, electronic music
>
> Team - Resident developers:
> * David Cuartielles from Arduino
> * Marcos Yarza from Libelium, physical interfaces
>
> Join us! Just sign up on the register page!
>
> http://www.0j0.org/pmwiki/index.php/Jun07/Register
>
> If you live near Zaragoza and are willing to host people, please mark
> that on the registration page.  If you want to come and need a place
> to stay, contact people on the registration page who marked
> themselves as hosts.
>
> .hc
>
> 
> 
>
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> hear it, you can have it. - Dizzy Gillespie
>
>
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[PD] [PD-announce] OPEN technologies workshop, Zaragoza, Spain, June 26th - July 1st

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

OPEN technologies workshop, Zaragoza, Spain, June 26th - July 1st

http://www.0j0.org/pmwiki/index.php/Events/GohanDevelopmentJun07

*** FREE WORKSHOP ANNOUNCEMENT ***

Arduino, Pd, and Processing are becoming more and more intertwined.  
Sensors controlling software synthesis, robots controlled by video  
tracking, custom musical instruments, and more. We are a collection  
of developers working with these free software tools. Join us to work  
on projects of these combinations, or help us create new  
possibilities by bringing these tools ever more intertwined.

This event is a combination of a hacklab and a barcamp. We are  
following the ad hoc, participant-driven nature of the barcamp in  
combination with the collaborative work studio environment of a  
hacklab. If you have not been to a hacklab, barcamp, and/or  
unconference before, here are a couple of good references to get an  
idea of the way it is done:

BarCamp on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp

There will be workshops and talks, and plenty of time to work. We  
will all be working together to create projects which will then be  
exhibited in Zaragoza. Bring one or more of the following: ideas,  
projects, a desire to learn, a desire to teach. Come everyday to pick  
up skills and finish your project. Come whenever you can to learn new  
bits and pieces, and help build compelling things to exhibit!

Dates & Location:
June 26th (Tuesday) - July 1st (Sunday)
Centro de Historia
Pl. San Agustín 2
50002 Zaragoza - Spain
http://www.zaragoza.es/centrodehistoria/

Team - Guest developers:
* Hans-Christoph Steiner, Pd, Polytechnic University, community  
management
* Emanuele Roman, Processing, visual representation[visio imaginorum  
sonus est]
* XÄ, Pd, electronic music

Team - Resident developers:
* David Cuartielles from Arduino
* Marcos Yarza from Libelium, physical interfaces

Join us! Just sign up on the register page!

http://www.0j0.org/pmwiki/index.php/Jun07/Register

If you live near Zaragoza and are willing to host people, please mark  
that on the registration page.  If you want to come and need a place  
to stay, contact people on the registration page who marked  
themselves as hosts.

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc2 released!

[Jack]

I try H264, MPEG4, PNG, JPEG but always and always the same error  
message ! :
pdp_qt : WARNING : unsupported video codec
pdp_qt : ERROR : no usable video stream found

Powerbook G4 12''
X11 1.1 XFree86 4.4.0
PD 0.39.2 Extended-rc2 (Download today)

Jack

Le 5 juin 07 à 03:07, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :

>
> pdp_qt/pdp_yqt doesn't work with all codecs (yet?).  Try MJPEG,  
> JPEG, PNG.  Those are among the best codecs to use for live video  
> processing anyway since they take the least CPU to decode.
>
> .hc
>
> On Jun 4, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Jack wrote:
>
>> Sorry, i've always the same problem with PDP with Macos 10.4.8.
>> When i try to load QT movie with pdp_qt, there is error message :
>> pdp_qt : WARNING : unsupported video codec
>> pdp_qt : WARNING : unsupported audio codec
>> pdp_qt : ERROR : no usable video stream found.
>>
>> Le 4 juin 07 à 22:46, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
>>
>>>
>>> http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
>>>
>>> After a long pause, it's time for another release. That means  
>>> Release
>>> Candidate 2!! Almost there! Yes, there are a couple known bugs, and
>>> most definitely unknown bugs. Let's find them and make a final
>>> release!
>>>
>>>  * Bitstream Vera Sans Mono is now default font on Windows and
>>> GNU/Linux
>>>  * Bitstream Vera Sans Mono is included in the Windows installer
>>>  * Monaco is the default font on Mac OS X
>>>  * fixed GUI size, should actually be the same size on all
>>> platforms now
>>>  * pdp and pidip should support quicktime/mjpeg/png and  
>>> theora now
>>>  * pdp_ieee1394 included on Mac OS X
>>>  * the Mac OS X package looks much better, thanks to Steffen
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>  * default preferences are embedded into the Pd.app on Mac OS X
>>>  * revamped font flags and added '-font-weight' flag
>>>
>>> A couple of known issues:
>>>
>>>  * it's still missing Gem font support on Mac OS X :(
>>>  * the delread~/sqrt~ bug is still not fixed :(
>>>
>>> Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!
>>>
>>> http://puredata.org/dev/bugtracker.
>>>
>>> .hc
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>> --
>>> --
>>> 
>>>
>>> All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies,
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Re: [PD] pd-0.38 installation

[ruth mccracken]

Thank you, Frank.

However - I installed the latest 0.40 autobuild build this afternoon.

And got exactly the same error message about the libvos3gcc3.so library not 
being found, despite the link being present in the appropriate directory.

any further thoughts?

again, my thanks,
Ruth

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   1. pd-0.38 installation [Was: PD-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 15]
  (Frank Barknecht)
   2. Re: Latest Pd-extended experiences (David Powers)
   3. Re: PD i education (Andy Farnell)
   4. loading freeframe-objects with Gem/Pd-extended (was Re:
  Latest Pd-extended experiences) (IOhannes m zmoelnig)
   5. Re: gem based multi headed "media player" (moritz)
   6. Re: PD i education (Frank Barknecht)
   7. Re: puredata Arduino and Ping (Kyle Klipowicz)
   8. Re: [OT] PD i education (oliver)
   9. binweise delay (Mirko Maier)
  10. Re: binweise delay (Frank Barknecht)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:52:10 +0200
From: Frank Barknecht 
Subject: [PD] pd-0.38 installation [Was: PD-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue
 15]
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Hallo,

(I changed the subject to something more meaningful.)

ruth mccracken hat gesagt: // ruth mccracken wrote:
> I have installed pd-extended 0.38.4 on ubuntu feisty. When I tried to open 
> it, it asked for several libraries. So I made several symbolic links to 
> libraries it has asked for, and they appear to be working OK.

first: I wouldn't bother at all with such an ancient version of Pd
anymore. We're (almost) at 0.41 in regular Pd now, 0.38 is obsolete,
You should try to install at least version 0.39, or even one of the
0.40 autobuilds (they work fine on Linux). 

Ciao
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 08:48:11 -0500
From: "David Powers" 
Subject: Re: [PD] Latest Pd-extended experiences
To: pd-list 

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Just to be clear and follow up, some of this was caused because I was
not only missing randomF, but also tripleRand (replacing with
abstractions in my extra directory was easiest solution.) That's
cleared up, and as a whole my monster Vj patch does run. (And the font
issue isn't a big deal, in fact arial never worked "out of the box"
anyway you had to copy the font over somewhere).

The [pix_freeframe] problem, however, seems to be the only real
remaining problem. Note that these worked with my previous pd+Gem
combo. The only thing that has changed is my version of PD. But the
plugins just won't load now. I'm using the identical patch except for
replaced objects. So would I want to replace this Gem with some other
one, wait for a new pd-extended, or what? Adding those plugins
certainly gives Gem a nice extra range of pix manipulation abilities,
though not essential to my work.

*Sorry about the bad subject line, gmail doesn't let you change it in
a reply, it's annoying, but I use it so I can check email from work
and keep track of things when I don't have access to my own
computer...

~David

> just to make sure: you DO have a PeteSlide.dll in C:/vid/gem-vj/freeframe/?
> and Gem has been able to load this dll in previous incarnations?
>

>
> > trying to load C:/vid/gem-vj/freeframe/PeteGaussianBlur
> > C:\\vid\\gem-vj\\freeframe\\PeteGaussianBlur: couldn't load
> > error: GemException: couldn't load FreeFrame-plugin
> > pix_freeframe freeframe/PeteGaussianBlur
> > ... couldn't create

> mfga.sdr
> IOhannes
>



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:17:51 +0100
From: Andy Farnell 

Subject: Re: [PD] PD i education
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On Tue, 29 May 2007 10:39:40 +0200
"Eirik Arthur Blekesaune"  wrote:

> Can anybody help me point out who uses PD to teach electronic music? ..
> (Algoritmic) Composistion
> Synthesis
> DSP-theory
> real-time performance

Electronic music and DSP are intersecting, I think Pd is unique
in its potential to teach the greatest amount in a single environment.
Before Pd you could only cover such a wide range of principles 
with a pile of different tools.
 
How to break up units into music processing, composition, synthesis,
sequencing? Here's my unit outlines...

http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/html/workshops/units-list.html


 
> What are the pros and cons for 

[PD] puredata evolution

[Mathieu Bouchard]

PD is often said to be meant to be a tool for just prototyping.


Who says that?

I'm curious: how many of you really re-code their pd patches into 
something else when you're finished experimenting and you've reached a 
reasonably "final" version of what you're patching? I don't.


I believe it rarely ever happens and that whoever tells you that is a fan 
of C++ who is snobbing pd in the same way that he'd snob all interpreted 
languages.


I think pd-vanilla is the data-flow, audio-oriented analoguous of an 
interpreted programming language.


I've called pd an interpreted programming language for years. I encourage 
people to say a pd program instead of a pd patch.



Ok, an interpreted language is 1000 times slower than a compiled one,


Usually not, it depends on the primitives of the language, whether they 
are big operations or small operations. Because with default block size 
one pass of [+~] does 64 things in a loop, it's a lot faster than doing 64 
times [+]. Likewise, GridFlow's [# +] often does more than 10 
equivalents of [# +] and because of that it's rather close to C speeds 
(though it could get a notch closer... and will). GridFlow was a lot about 
making a library that allows to write a fast program in a slow 
interpreter.


Then, nowadays there are several kinds of intermediate languages that are 
used to accelerate interpretation. There's hardly any major scripting 
language interpreter that would reparse commands at every execution (ok, 
Bash does; what else?). Others either use various kinds of bytecode or 
abstract syntax trees.


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Re: [PD] netserver port availability

[Claude Heiland-Allen]

Max Neupert wrote:
> hi list,
> 
> i have the problem that after a crash or just a reopen of a patch  
> with the netserver object (i believe netreceive will have the same  
> issue) i need to wait a couple of seconds up to a minute until pd  
> allows me to open the same patch with a successful creation of the  
> netserver object, because the port seems to be already (still) in use.
> 
> is there a way to force the port to reset or close? it's a little  
> annoying especially in live situations if everybody has to wait
> 
> m..

---8<---
The problem is related to the fact that "close()" does not ends the 
connection UNTIL the last of the file descriptors refering to the socket 
is closed. If other process has a copy of the file descriptor then it 
doesn't matter if you close your copy, the other copies MUST be closed 
in order for the socket to be really closed...
---8<---
http://developerweb.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-3480.html

Not sure what the solution is, though.  It's certainly not a trivial 
problem to solve.  If you can set up the clients to periodically ping 
the netserver and if there is no reply then disconnect, that might help.

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Re: [PD] netserver port availability

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Try this from the Terminal:

killall -KILL pd

.hc

On Jun 4, 2007, at 8:50 PM, Max Neupert wrote:

> hi list,
>
> i have the problem that after a crash or just a reopen of a patch
> with the netserver object (i believe netreceive will have the same
> issue) i need to wait a couple of seconds up to a minute until pd
> allows me to open the same patch with a successful creation of the
> netserver object, because the port seems to be already (still) in use.
>
> is there a way to force the port to reset or close? it's a little
> annoying especially in live situations if everybody has to wait
>
> m..
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc2 released!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

pdp_qt/pdp_yqt doesn't work with all codecs (yet?).  Try MJPEG, JPEG,  
PNG.  Those are among the best codecs to use for live video  
processing anyway since they take the least CPU to decode.

.hc

On Jun 4, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Jack wrote:

> Sorry, i've always the same problem with PDP with Macos 10.4.8.
> When i try to load QT movie with pdp_qt, there is error message :
> pdp_qt : WARNING : unsupported video codec
> pdp_qt : WARNING : unsupported audio codec
> pdp_qt : ERROR : no usable video stream found.
>
> Le 4 juin 07 à 22:46, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
>
>>
>> http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
>>
>> After a long pause, it's time for another release. That means Release
>> Candidate 2!! Almost there! Yes, there are a couple known bugs, and
>> most definitely unknown bugs. Let's find them and make a final
>> release!
>>
>>  * Bitstream Vera Sans Mono is now default font on Windows and
>> GNU/Linux
>>  * Bitstream Vera Sans Mono is included in the Windows installer
>>  * Monaco is the default font on Mac OS X
>>  * fixed GUI size, should actually be the same size on all
>> platforms now
>>  * pdp and pidip should support quicktime/mjpeg/png and theora  
>> now
>>  * pdp_ieee1394 included on Mac OS X
>>  * the Mac OS X package looks much better, thanks to Steffen
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  * default preferences are embedded into the Pd.app on Mac OS X
>>  * revamped font flags and added '-font-weight' flag
>>
>> A couple of known issues:
>>
>>  * it's still missing Gem font support on Mac OS X :(
>>  * the delread~/sqrt~ bug is still not fixed :(
>>
>> Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!
>>
>> http://puredata.org/dev/bugtracker.
>>
>> .hc
>>
>>
>> - 
>> -
>> --
>> 
>>
>> All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies,
>> one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc2 released!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Jun 4, 2007, at 4:59 PM, timon wrote:

>
> On 4 Jun 2007, at 21:46, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
>>
>> http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
>>
>> A couple of known issues:
>>
>>  * it's still missing Gem font support on Mac OS X :(
>
> Who is making this so difficult? It sounds like politics...

The problem has been found, a solution has been proposed and is being  
considered.  Does that sound like politics too?  ;)

.hc

>
> T.
>
>>  * the delread~/sqrt~ bug is still not fixed :(
>>
>> Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!
>>
>> http://puredata.org/dev/bugtracker.
>>
>> .hc
>>
>>
>> - 
>> -
>> --
>> 
>>
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc2 released!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Jun 4, 2007, at 6:08 PM, chris clepper wrote:

> On 6/4/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>  * it's still missing Gem font support on Mac OS X :(
>
> Did you ever try adding -DFTGL or -DHAVE_FTGL to the build options?

It was a matter of finding the right things automatically.   Check  
gem-dev for more...

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[PD] iem16_array.o: No such file or directory

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

 From the auto-builds, on all UNIX machines:

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Date: Sun,  3 Jun 2007 07:36:32 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: [PD-cvs] autobuild: pd-extended debian-testing-powerpc
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gcc -DPD -O2 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer  -ffast-math -Wall - 
W -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch -DGEM2PDP_VERSION=\"0.6\" - 
g  -g -O2 -I/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/pd/src -I. -I/home/pd/ 
auto-build/pd-extended/externals/pdp/include  -I/home/pd/auto-build/ 
pd-extended/Gem/src  -o yuv.o -c yuv.c
gcc -export_dynamic -shared -o gem2pdp.pd_linux gem2pdp.o yuv.o -lm
g++ -DPD -O2 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer  -ffast-math -Wall - 
W -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch -DGEM2PDP_VERSION=\"0.6\" - 
g  -g -O2 -I/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/pd/src -I. -I/home/pd/ 
auto-build/pd-extended/externals/pdp/include  -I/home/pd/auto-build/ 
pd-extended/Gem/src  -o pdp2gem.o -c pdp2gem.cpp
pdp2gem.cpp: In member function ‘void pdp2gem::pdpMess(t_symbol*, int)’:
pdp2gem.cpp:137: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will  
break strict-aliasing rules
gcc -export_dynamic -shared -o pdp2gem.pd_linux pdp2gem.o yuv.o -lm
g++ -DPD -O2 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer  -ffast-math -Wall - 
W -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch -DGEM2PDP_VERSION=\"0.6\" - 
g  -g -O2 -I/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/pd/src -I. -I/home/pd/ 
auto-build/pd-extended/externals/pdp/include  -I/home/pd/auto-build/ 
pd-extended/Gem/src  -o pix_2pdp.o -c pix_2pdp.cpp
gcc -export_dynamic -shared -o pix_2pdp.pd_linux pix_2pdp.o yuv.o -lm
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/externals/ 
gem2pdp'
cc  -Wl,-export_dynamic  -shared -o /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/ 
externals/iem16/src/tab16read.pd_linux /home/pd/auto-build/pd- 
extended/externals/iem16/src/iem16_array.o /home/pd/auto-build/pd- 
extended/externals/iem16/src/iem16_table.o -lm -lc
cc: /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/externals/iem16/src/ 
iem16_array.o: No such file or directory
cc: /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/externals/iem16/src/ 
iem16_table.o: No such file or directory
make[2]: *** [/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/externals/iem16/src/ 
tab16read.pd_linux] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/externals'
make[1]: *** [externals_install] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages'
make: *** [install] Error 2
upload specs linux_make build tar.bz2
Uploading /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build/ 
Pd*.tar.bz2
ls: /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build/ 
Pd*.tar.bz2: No such file or directory


 


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Re: [PD] After PD Install Virus Alert+ Beginner Questions

[Max Neupert]

this is a question which is quite often asked on the list. searching  
the archives will reveal this.

answer: pd consists of two processes, comunicationg through a network  
port. windows and some firewalls think this is a malicious activity.

it is necessary to allow this communication for pd to run.


Am 04.06.2007 um 23:42 schrieb Mustafa Umut Sarac:

> Hello , I do not know anything about pd and i installed several new  
> and old xp versions and norton gave virus alert. It said program  
> have a trojan.


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc2 released!

[Jack]

Sorry, i've always the same problem with PDP with Macos 10.4.8.
When i try to load QT movie with pdp_qt, there is error message :
pdp_qt : WARNING : unsupported video codec
pdp_qt : WARNING : unsupported audio codec
pdp_qt : ERROR : no usable video stream found.


Le 4 juin 07 à 22:46, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :

>
> http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
>
> After a long pause, it's time for another release. That means Release
> Candidate 2!! Almost there! Yes, there are a couple known bugs, and
> most definitely unknown bugs. Let's find them and make a final  
> release!
>
>  * Bitstream Vera Sans Mono is now default font on Windows and
> GNU/Linux
>  * Bitstream Vera Sans Mono is included in the Windows installer
>  * Monaco is the default font on Mac OS X
>  * fixed GUI size, should actually be the same size on all
> platforms now
>  * pdp and pidip should support quicktime/mjpeg/png and theora now
>  * pdp_ieee1394 included on Mac OS X
>  * the Mac OS X package looks much better, thanks to Steffen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  * default preferences are embedded into the Pd.app on Mac OS X
>  * revamped font flags and added '-font-weight' flag
>
> A couple of known issues:
>
>  * it's still missing Gem font support on Mac OS X :(
>  * the delread~/sqrt~ bug is still not fixed :(
>
> Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!
>
> http://puredata.org/dev/bugtracker.
>
> .hc
>
>
> -- 
> --
> 
>
> All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies,
> one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better
> language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne
>
>
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[PD] netserver port availability

[Max Neupert]

hi list,

i have the problem that after a crash or just a reopen of a patch  
with the netserver object (i believe netreceive will have the same  
issue) i need to wait a couple of seconds up to a minute until pd  
allows me to open the same patch with a successful creation of the  
netserver object, because the port seems to be already (still) in use.

is there a way to force the port to reset or close? it's a little  
annoying especially in live situations if everybody has to wait

m..

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[PD] After PD Install Virus Alert+ Beginner Questions

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

Hello , I do not know anything about pd and i installed several new and old
xp versions and norton gave virus alert. It said program have a trojan.
I dont know how to start it , my main interest is abstract freeform scores.
Do pd create these scores after listening music or do we draw it .

Best ,

umut
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc2 released!

[Jack]

Sorry, i've always the same problem with PDP with Macos 10.4.8.
When i try to load QT movie with pdp_qt, there is error message :
pdp_qt : WARNING : unsupported video codec
pdp_qt : WARNING : unsupported audio codec
pdp_qt : ERROR : no usable video stream found.

Le 4 juin 07 à 22:46, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :

>
> http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
>
> After a long pause, it's time for another release. That means Release
> Candidate 2!! Almost there! Yes, there are a couple known bugs, and
> most definitely unknown bugs. Let's find them and make a final  
> release!
>
>  * Bitstream Vera Sans Mono is now default font on Windows and
> GNU/Linux
>  * Bitstream Vera Sans Mono is included in the Windows installer
>  * Monaco is the default font on Mac OS X
>  * fixed GUI size, should actually be the same size on all
> platforms now
>  * pdp and pidip should support quicktime/mjpeg/png and theora now
>  * pdp_ieee1394 included on Mac OS X
>  * the Mac OS X package looks much better, thanks to Steffen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  * default preferences are embedded into the Pd.app on Mac OS X
>  * revamped font flags and added '-font-weight' flag
>
> A couple of known issues:
>
>  * it's still missing Gem font support on Mac OS X :(
>  * the delread~/sqrt~ bug is still not fixed :(
>
> Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!
>
> http://puredata.org/dev/bugtracker.
>
> .hc
>
>
> -- 
> --
> 
>
> All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies,
> one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better
> language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne
>
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Re: [PD] isn't the GUI supposed to have lower priority than process?

[Roman Haefeli]

On Mon, 2007-06-04 at 22:04 +0200, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I always thought that in PD, "process" (i.e. dsp and control processing) had 
> the priority over GUI rendering, in such a way that drawing the gui would 
> NEVER cause audio clicks although this means there's no warranty about how 
> much gui rendering may be delayed.

> Do you know of any workarounds?
> Do you know if this is Windows-specific?

no, i don't know of any workarounds.
no, this is not windows specific. 

there are other issues as well, which cause drop outs, that might be
avoidable:

- reading/saving files to/from disk
- dynamic object creation
- full buffer of [netsend]

(maybe there are some more)

all this issues cannot be 'worked around' within pd, which makes pd
sometimes not very suitable for presenting/live situations. netpd
suffers heavily from all the issues above (including the one you
mentioned).
i do believe, that some of them could be solved (e.g. for [netsend] it
would be already enough to provide an additional outlet, that sends a
bang, whenever its buffer is emptied). others might be not that easy to
overcome. 
i think, it would be great and mean a big step for pd, if this issues
could be addressed. 


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[PD] nested boxes

[adam armfield]

someone's experiment with representing lisp
expressions graphically:

http://www.32768.com/bill/weblog/2004/11/04/someone-threw-up-some-lisp/

all the best

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc2 released!

[chris clepper]

On 6/4/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>  * it's still missing Gem font support on Mac OS X :(

Did you ever try adding -DFTGL or -DHAVE_FTGL to the build options?

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc2 released!

[timon]

On 4 Jun 2007, at 21:46, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

>
> http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
>
> A couple of known issues:
>
>  * it's still missing Gem font support on Mac OS X :(

Who is making this so difficult? It sounds like politics...

T.

>  * the delread~/sqrt~ bug is still not fixed :(
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> http://puredata.org/dev/bugtracker.
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[PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc2 released!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html

After a long pause, it's time for another release. That means Release  
Candidate 2!! Almost there! Yes, there are a couple known bugs, and  
most definitely unknown bugs. Let's find them and make a final release!

 * Bitstream Vera Sans Mono is now default font on Windows and  
GNU/Linux
 * Bitstream Vera Sans Mono is included in the Windows installer
 * Monaco is the default font on Mac OS X
 * fixed GUI size, should actually be the same size on all  
platforms now
 * pdp and pidip should support quicktime/mjpeg/png and theora now
 * pdp_ieee1394 included on Mac OS X
 * the Mac OS X package looks much better, thanks to Steffen  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 * default preferences are embedded into the Pd.app on Mac OS X
 * revamped font flags and added '-font-weight' flag

A couple of known issues:

 * it's still missing Gem font support on Mac OS X :(
 * the delread~/sqrt~ bug is still not fixed :(

Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!

http://puredata.org/dev/bugtracker.

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Re: [PD] binweise delay

[ugur guney]

http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/node179.html
# You can take a look at this page for help in FFT.
# How did you impelement the buffered analysis?
# I think something like this could work: If the number of bins is 2*N,
prepare N tables with size N samples. 1st table has one in 1st sample and
zero everywhere. Similarly n'th table has 1 in n'th sample and zero in other
samples. This tables will be used to pick up n'th bin from the mixed
analysis.
# Then prepare 2*N [*~] objects and multiply real and imag output of [rfft~]
with [tabreceive~ preparedTableN]. This way every bin will be seperated,
every pair has the amplitude and phase information of only one bin.
# Then apply delay's to every pair and sum all delayed real and imaginary
parts seperately. Finally put these two signals to [rifft~]
# If I doesn't have two final exams this week, I'll try to implement what
I've said. Good days!
-ugur guney-

On 6/4/07, Mirko Maier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


hi list,
is there a possibility for binwise spectral delay with fft? i tried to
write the analysis in buffers and read it time-variably out before
re-synthesizing, but that didn't work (in fact buffer writing / reading the
analysis did not work at all).

mirko

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[PD] isn't the GUI supposed to have lower priority than process?

[Matteo Sisti Sette]

Hi,

I always thought that in PD, "process" (i.e. dsp and control processing) had 
the priority over GUI rendering, in such a way that drawing the gui would 
NEVER cause audio clicks although this means there's no warranty about how 
much gui rendering may be delayed.

To my great disappointment, I see that when opening a subpatch with a lot of 
gui, audio clicks are produced. Just opening it, i.e., right-clicking on it 
and "open" (or just left-clicking when not in edit mode)
Not to mention moving around a "big" GOP-enabled object (or, I guess, a 
handful of gui elements at the same time).
But the first one seems to me a much more severe problem.

Suppose you have a large application (for a performace, for example) with a 
lot of controllers and display that you may only occasionally need. So you 
have your main interface (i.e. most important elements you need to see all 
the time) in your main window, and lots of less critical displays and 
controllers inside subpatches or instances of abstractions. When you need to 
check out or move a display or controller, you click on the subpatch (or 
even abstraction) to show up the controllers it contains.
This is just not possible because when you do that, you suddenly get a 
second of silence (if the subpatch you open contains more than a couple of 
sliders), as audio processing holds on while drawing the gui.

Do you know of any workarounds?
Do you know if this is Windows-specific?

This is indeed another example of what I was talking about in my previous 
message under the "puredata evolution" thread.

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Re: [PD] puredata evolution

[Matteo Sisti Sette]

Hi,

PD is often said to be meant to be a tool for just prototyping.

It certainly had to be so when it was born but hey, nowadays, with the 
available cpu power of average machines... don't you think that it is no 
more necessarily so?

I'm curious: how many of you really re-code their pd patches into something 
else when you're finished experimenting and you've reached a reasonably 
"final" version of what you're patching?
I don't.

I put this under the thread of "pd evolution" because in my opinion, in my 
wishes, in my personal vision of pd's future, one really important step 
would be to assume it is no more a tool for prototyping but an environment 
for developing final applications. I think pd-vanilla is the data-flow, 
audio-oriented analoguous of an interpreted programming language. Ok, an 
interpreted language is 1000 times slower than a compiled one, so, in the 
case of applications requiring 100% state-of-the-art cpu power, it can only 
be used for prototyping; however, for applications that require much less 
computing power than is available, a lot of interpreted languages are used 
for developing real-life applications.


IMHO there are just a couple of crucial things that  need to be solved in 
order to make that step in PD.
One is a few bugs that make your life impossible when you're developing a 
somewhat "large" application (i.e. many abstraction, reused many times, and 
nested, as is needed when designing a complex system either top-down or 
bottom-up or mixed). Every time you hit CTRL+S, you're likely to be obliged 
to close PD and restart it.
And the second is the GUI is tremendously slow.
I don't mind it may be somewhat limited if one wants to build arbitrary 
interfaces. I just accept (and eventually love) pd's gui, with its bangs, 
toggles, sliders, and the way they work; with appropriate programming (i.e. 
patching) they are powerful (you can use them as display avoiding manual 
changes, you can obtain multiple controllers of the same value that don't 
loose their coherence etc etc).
I just take them as they are and as they work...
but the problem is: it's all so slow.
I can't believe it can't be faster and less cpu-expensive.

Reimplementing the CURRENT guy mechanism, without any change in its 
"specifications", in a faster way would be imho an enormous benefit to those 
who use PD as a developing environment. Because it would encourage rather 
than discourage such practices as nesting GOP-enabled abstractions to 
mantain complex interfaces manageable.

I don't know whether some of the aspects I describe are specific to the 
Windows version, as I only use PD under Windows. However, coherently with 
the idea of a reliable developing environment, if this environment is 
supposed to be platform-independent, platform-specific issues should be 
solved.

I'd love to hear other opinions about all this.

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Re: [PD] binweise delay

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
Mirko Maier hat gesagt: // Mirko Maier wrote:

> is there a possibility for binwise spectral delay with fft? i tried
> to write the analysis in buffers and read it time-variably out
> before re-synthesizing, but that didn't work (in fact buffer writing
> / reading the analysis did not work at all).

Is this: http://footils.org/cms/show/60 what you mean?

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[PD] binweise delay

[Mirko Maier]

hi list,
is there a possibility for binwise spectral delay with fft? i tried to write 
the analysis in buffers and read it time-variably out before re-synthesizing, 
but that didn't work (in fact buffer writing / reading the analysis did not 
work at all).

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Re: [PD] [OT] PD i education

[oliver]

hi, andy

really interesting site:

http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/html/compositions/compositions.html

only bad thing is that most of your music-example patches for download require 
abstractions that are not included. that's sad, because i really liked the 
pokesdown-patch 
(the only one that works)

btw: padawan vst-instruments are also great !

ciao

oliver

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Re: [PD] puredata Arduino and Ping

[Kyle Klipowicz]

Yes, please describe the physical configuration of the 5 sensors
Marko. I am working on a similar project using 6 sensors, but we have
not done much testing in our proper configuration yet.

My guess is that since all the sensors are hard wired with a specific
ping frequency, they will detect each other's pings when placed in
close proximity.

~Kyle

On 6/3/07, marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> your code and patch look good. It is not clear to me, why you are using
> these delaytimes for the different sensors. but that should not affect
> your results anyway. the minimum delaytime between two measurements is
> only 200microseconds. but maybe it also depends on the length of the
> impulse? would it be possible, that the sensing fields of the 5 sensors
> overlap, and you get the crosstalk from that?
> on the other hand, it may also be possible that the problem is in your
> circuit. you could try to use 10k pulldown resistors. maybe that stops
> the crosstalk.
>
> marius.
>
>
> Marko Timlin wrote:
> > I am working with several ultra sound sensors called Ping from Parallax
> > wired to an Arduino board that is connected to puredata.
> > currently I am working with 3 sensors and it works fine.
> >
> > now I want to work with 5 sensors and the following problem occurs:
> > - I get "phantom" values on sensors that are not modified: if, for example, 
> > I change the value of sensor B, sensor C also changes its values, not 
> > exactely syncronized but it jumps to a simlar value range. very annoying 
> > indeed.
> > is that a problem of my script for arduino or a problem of pd?
> > does anybody already have experience with such a configuration?
> > I am using Pd version 0.39.2-extended-RC1 on windows xp.
> >
> > attached you find the arduino and pd patch for that idea.
> >
> > thanks,
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Re: [PD] PD i education

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
Andy Farnell hat gesagt: // Andy Farnell wrote:

> How to break up units into music processing, composition, synthesis,
> sequencing? Here's my unit outlines...
> 
> http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/html/workshops/units-list.html

One thing that I always forget to ask students to bring besides
laptop, USB-sticks etc. but that is out absolutely crucial and is
still often missing: They have to bring a *mouse*. Patching Pd with
the touchpad is a major pain.

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Re: [PD] gem based multi headed "media player"

[moritz]

Tim Boykett wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> has anyone had any experience using (multiple) gem(s)
> to output several videos simultaneously on a multiheaded
> (linux) box?
> 
> the questions that arise as we ponder this is how much CPU gets
> used to decode the video, how much to render, how much the
> graphics cards can take away effort from the CPU, what sort of
> idea of harddisks can make the data transfer more efficent, etc.
> 
> any experiences? any suggestions?
> 
> cheers,
> 
> tim

hello

with a P4 2.ghz and very important, a graphic card with its own memory 
(with restricted drivers, opengl support, here nvüdüa ) under ubuntu can 
i buffer (with pix_buffer) more than 8 videos all at 16 seconds length 
but this are not videos from a harddisk, but directly from one webcam 
--> cpu uses less than 10%...so the graphiccard does here his job very well.
but at this point pd has nothing to handle with the harddisk.

i dont have experiences reading non-live videos (from harddisk) and Gem.

When i want to render the gemwindow to harddisk with pix_record and 
pix_snap i have a cpu-load of 100%, tested with all available codecs.. 
sometimes pd crashes, sometimes i got corrupt movie-files, few times i 
got playable movies. i got not a stable solution now for rendering.

cio

moritz


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[PD] loading freeframe-objects with Gem/Pd-extended (was Re: Latest Pd-extended experiences)

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

David Powers wrote:
> Just to be clear and follow up, some of this was caused because I was
> not only missing randomF, but also tripleRand (replacing with
> abstractions in my extra directory was easiest solution.) That's
> cleared up, and as a whole my monster Vj patch does run. (And the font

ya, i noticed that most problems have been solved when reading your
other mail after sending my reply

> issue isn't a big deal, in fact arial never worked "out of the box"
> anyway you had to copy the font over somewhere).

fonts are searched using the pd-paths (as, to my knowledge, is
documented in the help-files...); so you can just add "-path
C:/windoze/fonts" (or whatever) to give you direct access to all
installed truetype-fonts)

> 
> The [pix_freeframe] problem, however, seems to be the only real
> remaining problem. Note that these worked with my previous pd+Gem
> combo. The only thing that has changed is my version of PD. But the
> plugins just won't load now. I'm using the identical patch except for
> replaced objects. So would I want to replace this Gem with some other
> one, wait for a new pd-extended, or what? Adding those plugins
> certainly gives Gem a nice extra range of pix manipulation abilities,
> though not essential to my work.


yes, that's the point of having a freeframe-loader available

anyhow, could you try replacing the current Gem.dll with an older one
(where you know that it worked) and report back?
make sure you do have backups though...


mfg.asdr
IOhannes

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Re: [PD] PD i education

[Andy Farnell]

On Tue, 29 May 2007 10:39:40 +0200
"Eirik Arthur Blekesaune" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can anybody help me point out who uses PD to teach electronic music? ..
> (Algoritmic) Composistion
> Synthesis
> DSP-theory
> real-time performance

Electronic music and DSP are intersecting, I think Pd is unique
in its potential to teach the greatest amount in a single environment.
Before Pd you could only cover such a wide range of principles 
with a pile of different tools.
 
How to break up units into music processing, composition, synthesis,
sequencing? Here's my unit outlines...

http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/html/workshops/units-list.html


 
> What are the pros and cons for using it to teach DSP-theory?

Pros: DSP has a very wide applications field, with Pd it's 
easy to demonstrate/model lots of things, not just sound, but possibly
radar, process control, machine listening, without expensive DSP 
development boards. If I had more time and resources I would include
some physical/electronics and interfacing stuff, because that is useful
for real time performance and instrument designers imo.

With GUI canvas concept it is possible to build active teaching tools 
with Pd itself. Active lecture slides that are patches and contain links
to other patches makes Pd a very powerful demonstration device for CBT.

It's free open source software, perfect for teaching, now students only
need knowledge and motivation, not expensive licenses to get education. 

Cons, hmm, as Tom said, the fine grain sample/block level could be
better somehow. There's a river to cross when moving between teaching
about delays and filters. And for Pd to be a mature as a development tool
as well as for teaching it needs to output code that can be compiled
into new externals or used in separate applications. I believe these two 
things are related. It's like Pd is missing a lowest level where you can
basically write simplified code into objects and compile them.








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> Best,
> Eirik Blekesaune
> 


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Re: [PD] Latest Pd-extended experiences

[David Powers]

Just to be clear and follow up, some of this was caused because I was
not only missing randomF, but also tripleRand (replacing with
abstractions in my extra directory was easiest solution.) That's
cleared up, and as a whole my monster Vj patch does run. (And the font
issue isn't a big deal, in fact arial never worked "out of the box"
anyway you had to copy the font over somewhere).

The [pix_freeframe] problem, however, seems to be the only real
remaining problem. Note that these worked with my previous pd+Gem
combo. The only thing that has changed is my version of PD. But the
plugins just won't load now. I'm using the identical patch except for
replaced objects. So would I want to replace this Gem with some other
one, wait for a new pd-extended, or what? Adding those plugins
certainly gives Gem a nice extra range of pix manipulation abilities,
though not essential to my work.

*Sorry about the bad subject line, gmail doesn't let you change it in
a reply, it's annoying, but I use it so I can check email from work
and keep track of things when I don't have access to my own
computer...

~David

> just to make sure: you DO have a PeteSlide.dll in C:/vid/gem-vj/freeframe/?
> and Gem has been able to load this dll in previous incarnations?
>

>
> > trying to load C:/vid/gem-vj/freeframe/PeteGaussianBlur
> > C:\\vid\\gem-vj\\freeframe\\PeteGaussianBlur: couldn't load
> > error: GemException: couldn't load FreeFrame-plugin
> > pix_freeframe freeframe/PeteGaussianBlur
> > ... couldn't create

> mfga.sdr
> IOhannes
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[PD] pd-0.38 installation [Was: PD-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 15]

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,

(I changed the subject to something more meaningful.)

ruth mccracken hat gesagt: // ruth mccracken wrote:
> I have installed pd-extended 0.38.4 on ubuntu feisty. When I tried to open 
> it, it asked for several libraries. So I made several symbolic links to 
> libraries it has asked for, and they appear to be working OK.

first: I wouldn't bother at all with such an ancient version of Pd
anymore. We're (almost) at 0.41 in regular Pd now, 0.38 is obsolete,
You should try to install at least version 0.39, or even one of the
0.40 autobuilds (they work fine on Linux). 

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Re: [PD] PD-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 15

[ruth mccracken]

Hi,
I have installed pd-extended 0.38.4 on ubuntu feisty. When I tried to open it, 
it asked for several libraries. So I made several symbolic links to libraries 
it has asked for, and they appear to be working OK.

But libvos3gcc3.so has got me stumped.

When I try to open pd I get the following error message:

/usr/local/lib/pd/bin/pd-gui: error while loading shared libraries: 
libvos3gcc3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory




I have libvos3gcc3.so in /usr/lib/openoffice/program. 
I have tried:

a/  making a symbolic link from /usr/local/lib/pd/bin to 
/usr/lib/openoffice/program/libvos3gcc3.so 

b/ copying libvos3gcc3.so to /usr/local/lib/pd/bin

Neither worked! [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Does anyone have any advice on what I can do here?

Thankyou!

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Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:32:55 +0200
From: IOhannes m zmoelnig 
Subject: Re: [PD] Latest Pd-extended experiences
To: David Powers 
Cc: pd-list 

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hi.

i stripped the "zexy" from the subject-line.

David Powers wrote:
> Bad news:
> 
> BUT - there are some SERIOUS problems with Gem, and the entire patch
> is now broken!!! I'm trying to understand more of the problems, but
> what I see right now, is something wrong with pix_buffer, and
> pix_freeframe, and something with the fonts, in particular. There's an
> error with rotateXYZ but I don't think that's important. Any
> suggestions??? This is on WinXp, pd-extended RC 1.


let's have a look.

> 
> Here is the output when I first load my patch:
> 
> [tabdump] part of zexy-2.1 (compiled: Apr 14 2007)
> Copyright (l) 1999-2006 IOhannes m zm?lnig, forum::f?r::uml?ute & IEM
> expr, expr~, fexpr~ version 0.4 under GNU General Public License
> MAN::resetState entered
> GEM: loaded image: C:/vid/gem-vj/crab.jpg
> [tabset] part of zexy-2.1 (compiled: Apr 14 2007)
> Copyright (l) 1999-2006 IOhannes m zm?lnig, forum::f?r::uml?ute & IEM
> pix_film:: directshow support
> handle 0AAF0D98
> filmQT created
> pix_film:: quicktime support
> handle 1AAF0F48
> handle 212FCA98
> handle 312FCB38
> handle 412FCBD0
> handle 512FCC70
> handle 612FCD18
> pix_buffer_read: couldn't find pix_buffer '1115-buff'



[pix_buffer]:
there is a minor annoyance, where [pix_buffer_read] (and
[pix_buffer_write]) do a check for an existing [pix_buffer] at creation
time (which is a bad time to check, since the corresponding [pix_buffer]
might be yet non-existant).
usually you can safely ignore this warning.
(however, i was not able to detect any other problems from your error
logs, which does not mean that there are none).



> GEM: loaded images: C:/vid/gem-vj/img/aliens1/ .jpg from 0 to 18 skipping 1
> [urn] part of zexy-2.1 (compiled: Apr 14 2007)
> Copyright (l) 1999-2006 IOhannes m zm?lnig, forum::f?r::uml?ute & IEM
> img-loadhack
> ... couldn't create
> handle 012FE8F0
> filmQT created
> handle 112FE9E8
> handle 212FEAA0
> handle 312FEB40
> handle 412FEBD8
> handle 512FEC78
> handle 612FED20
> pix_buffer_read: couldn't find pix_buffer '1121-buff'
> GEM: loaded images: C:/vid/gem-vj/img/mad/ .jpg from 0 to 13 skipping 1
> trying to load C:/vid/gem-vj/freeframe/PeteSlide
> C:\\vid\\gem-vj\\freeframe\\PeteSlide: couldn't load
> error: GemException: couldn't load FreeFrame-plugin
> pix_freeframe freeframe/PeteSlide
> ... couldn't create

just to make sure: you DO have a PeteSlide.dll in C:/vid/gem-vj/freeframe/?
and Gem has been able to load this dll in previous incarnations?

afaik, Gem for w32 is still just directly pulled from gem.iem.at
(instead of compiled on the autobuild farm); this might still be a
problem with compiler versions and the like...


> trying to load C:/vid/gem-vj/freeframe/PeteGaussianBlur
> C:\\vid\\gem-vj\\freeframe\\PeteGaussianBlur: couldn't load
> error: GemException: couldn't load FreeFrame-plugin
> pix_freeframe freeframe/PeteGaussianBlur
> ... couldn't create
> handle 012FC708
> filmQT created
> handle 112FC800
> handle 212FC8B8
> handle 312FC958
> handle 412FA350
> handle 512FA3F0
> handle 6   

[PD] [PD-announce] Call for Papers: FLOSS+Art

[propaganda]

sorry for >< please >>

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FLOSS+Art
Call for Papers
Deadline: September 15th 2007



people.makeart is a new project by GOTO10.

It is a repository of articles and lecture materials focused on the 
relationship between FLOSS (Free/Libre/Open Source Software) and 
digital arts, as well as a database of free digital art projects.

The selected papers will be published on the people.makeart website and
will be printed in the FLOSS+Art book, scheduled for spring 2008, using 
OpenMute's POD publishing service.

GOTO10 is now accepting new, old and recycled papers on the following
issues:

- opening digital art's practice, code and culture
- FLOSS communities VS. art collectives
- digital art licensing, copying and distributing, using open content
  models
- role of the artist in FLOSS development
- influence of FLOSS on digital art practices
- free software to produce art and the art of producing free software
- economy of an open digital artwork
- FLOSS as an embedded political message in digital art
- paradox and limitations of open licenses for digital art
- FLOSS as a way to quote and embed other artworks in a new one
- digital artist as a FLOSS developer/user and vice-versa
- definitions and manifestos for a free software art
- branching and forking of an open digital artwork
- opening digital art to ensure future maintainance and porting


Submission Procedures: 

- Submit your final paper to pmafloss-at-goto10-dot-org
  no later than September 15th, 2007. Include the text "FLOSS+Art"
  followed by your paper's title in your e-mail subject line.
- Submit as many papers as you want, one mail submission for each.
- Accepted formats : plaintext, LaTeX, OpenDocument
  No other file format will be accepted.
- The paper must be attached to the mail, do not send us links
- The submitted paper must be written in English
- Paper must be 1500 words minimum

More information: http://people.makeart.goto10.org/

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The FLOSS+Art POD publishing is a collaboration between GOTO10 and
the Digital Research Unit of the University of Huddersfield,
with commissions and contributions from various organisations and
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[PD] gem based multi headed "media player"

[Tim Boykett]

hi,

has anyone had any experience using (multiple) gem(s)
to output several videos simultaneously on a multiheaded
(linux) box?

the questions that arise as we ponder this is how much CPU gets
used to decode the video, how much to render, how much the
graphics cards can take away effort from the CPU, what sort of
idea of harddisks can make the data transfer more efficent, etc.

any experiences? any suggestions?

cheers,

tim


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Re: [PD] Try my Digital Waveguide Synthesis patches!

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

Frank Barknecht wrote:
>>
>> See attachment, or failing that
>> http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~kt503/3yp/KimsWaveguides.zip
> 
> Another thing: Something really strange is happening in excitation.pd:
> Opening it, even with -noloadbang, completely freaks out my Pd and
> makes it grind to a complete halt for like 20 seconds. The scollbar to
> the right is showing a huge patch area, but there doesn't seem to be
> anything outside the visible area.

it's the cnv object, that has a fontsize of something rather large...;
if you disable/delete/fix this object, then the patch will open just normal.

mfg.asdr
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> 
> Ciao


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Re: [PD] Try my Digital Waveguide Synthesis patches!

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
Kim Taylor hat gesagt: // Kim Taylor wrote:

> I've found this board very useful while doing my university project, I
> thought I'd show you what I've done with Pd. Any feedback at all would
> be really useful at this stage in the project. It'd also be nice to
> get some comments from you Pd guru's on how I've put it together.
> 
> See attachment, or failing that
> http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~kt503/3yp/KimsWaveguides.zip

Another thing: Something really strange is happening in excitation.pd:
Opening it, even with -noloadbang, completely freaks out my Pd and
makes it grind to a complete halt for like 20 seconds. The scollbar to
the right is showing a huge patch area, but there doesn't seem to be
anything outside the visible area.

Ciao
-- 
 Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__

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Re: [PD] Try my Digital Waveguide Synthesis patches!

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
Kim Taylor hat gesagt: // Kim Taylor wrote:

> I've found this board very useful while doing my university project, I
> thought I'd show you what I've done with Pd. Any feedback at all would
> be really useful at this stage in the project. It'd also be nice to
> get some comments from you Pd guru's on how I've put it together.

Just had a quick look, impressive work you did there. More comments
later, but there is one big technical problem for everyone not on
Windows as you: Your abstractions are named with mixed upper/lowercase
letters and in your patches you even use different spelling for the
same patch sometimes, like [dline-term] and [dline-Term] while the
actual object is called "dline-TERM.pd". Pd *is* case-sensitive so you
should decide what names to use. I would recommend to stick with all
lowercase names.

Ciao
-- 
 Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__

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[PD] function-to-block dictionary in pd-extended [was: Re: PD i education]

[Anders Friberg]

Sounds great!
I started to think about how it could be done. One simple start would be 
to include the list of objects according to function that is found in 
core-pd.  However, I think it would be better to put in in the help menu 
rather than then right-clicking on the canvas. This would encourage 
newbies to use the standard pd blocks to start with.

A general function-to-block dictionary is more complicated since there 
seems to be something like 1000 help files in the doc section...
One possibility could be to put a text label in each help file, for example:
;;;pd-extended classification;;;category: audio;function: filter, 
subfunction: bandpass;;;
This is just an example. It could be done in a number of ways e.g. just 
give keywords. The audio/control classification is of course already 
evident from the tilde sign.This could be complemented with a short 
"one-liner":
;;;description: A 2-pole bandpass filter;;;

Then this would be divided in thee tasks:
1. agree on the list of categories and functions
2. label the help files ( I guess that it would be easy for everyone to 
do in the CVS?)
3. Implement sorting according to function in the browser. (If the 
browser search the doc section a new lib would be included automatically.)

The first step can be done on this list or in the pd doc group.
The second step can easily be distributed. I could spend some time with 
it and I think I could mobilize more people at the department as well.
The last step depends mostly on hans so it would be great to hear your 
opinion about it.
/Anders

marius schebella wrote:
> Three, I would like to help build such a database.
> marius.
>
> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>
>> I sometimes forget even the names of the objects that I have written, 
>> so I would use the dictionary for sure.  So you are not alone in the 
>> desire for a dictionary, there is at least two of us ;)
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On May 30, 2007, at 7:51 AM, Anders Friberg wrote:
>>
>>> This is a quite extreme viewpoint. Translate that to language 
>>> learning, for example a German learning English. It implies that 
>>> using a dictionary from German to English is forbidden and the only 
>>> available dictionary is from English to German. Then assume that the 
>>> German guy have some basic understanding of the English language but 
>>> forgot one word... This is exactly my own case. Maybe I am away from 
>>> pd for a year (God forbid!). Then most of my fluency will fade away 
>>> and a dictionary would be extremely helpful. I tend to remember 
>>> functionality but not the exact block name. Am I alone?
>>> We also try to avoid any fancy stuff in the basic tutorials but we 
>>> use pd-extended ourselfs and we provide ready-made patches using 
>>> pd-extended that the students can interface to.
>>> /Anders

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Re: [PD] Latest Pd-extended experiences

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

hi.

i stripped the "zexy" from the subject-line.

David Powers wrote:
> Bad news:
> 
> BUT - there are some SERIOUS problems with Gem, and the entire patch
> is now broken!!! I'm trying to understand more of the problems, but
> what I see right now, is something wrong with pix_buffer, and
> pix_freeframe, and something with the fonts, in particular. There's an
> error with rotateXYZ but I don't think that's important. Any
> suggestions??? This is on WinXp, pd-extended RC 1.


let's have a look.

> 
> Here is the output when I first load my patch:
> 
> [tabdump] part of zexy-2.1 (compiled: Apr 14 2007)
> Copyright (l) 1999-2006 IOhannes m zmölnig, forum::für::umläute & IEM
> expr, expr~, fexpr~ version 0.4 under GNU General Public License
> MAN::resetState entered
> GEM: loaded image: C:/vid/gem-vj/crab.jpg
> [tabset] part of zexy-2.1 (compiled: Apr 14 2007)
> Copyright (l) 1999-2006 IOhannes m zmölnig, forum::für::umläute & IEM
> pix_film:: directshow support
> handle 0AAF0D98
> filmQT created
> pix_film:: quicktime support
> handle 1AAF0F48
> handle 212FCA98
> handle 312FCB38
> handle 412FCBD0
> handle 512FCC70
> handle 612FCD18
> pix_buffer_read: couldn't find pix_buffer '1115-buff'



[pix_buffer]:
there is a minor annoyance, where [pix_buffer_read] (and
[pix_buffer_write]) do a check for an existing [pix_buffer] at creation
time (which is a bad time to check, since the corresponding [pix_buffer]
might be yet non-existant).
usually you can safely ignore this warning.
(however, i was not able to detect any other problems from your error
logs, which does not mean that there are none).



> GEM: loaded images: C:/vid/gem-vj/img/aliens1/ .jpg from 0 to 18 skipping 1
> [urn] part of zexy-2.1 (compiled: Apr 14 2007)
> Copyright (l) 1999-2006 IOhannes m zmölnig, forum::für::umläute & IEM
> img-loadhack
> ... couldn't create
> handle 012FE8F0
> filmQT created
> handle 112FE9E8
> handle 212FEAA0
> handle 312FEB40
> handle 412FEBD8
> handle 512FEC78
> handle 612FED20
> pix_buffer_read: couldn't find pix_buffer '1121-buff'
> GEM: loaded images: C:/vid/gem-vj/img/mad/ .jpg from 0 to 13 skipping 1
> trying to load C:/vid/gem-vj/freeframe/PeteSlide
> C:\\vid\\gem-vj\\freeframe\\PeteSlide: couldn't load
> error: GemException: couldn't load FreeFrame-plugin
> pix_freeframe freeframe/PeteSlide
> ... couldn't create

just to make sure: you DO have a PeteSlide.dll in C:/vid/gem-vj/freeframe/?
and Gem has been able to load this dll in previous incarnations?

afaik, Gem for w32 is still just directly pulled from gem.iem.at
(instead of compiled on the autobuild farm); this might still be a
problem with compiler versions and the like...


> trying to load C:/vid/gem-vj/freeframe/PeteGaussianBlur
> C:\\vid\\gem-vj\\freeframe\\PeteGaussianBlur: couldn't load
> error: GemException: couldn't load FreeFrame-plugin
> pix_freeframe freeframe/PeteGaussianBlur
> ... couldn't create
> handle 012FC708
> filmQT created
> handle 112FC800
> handle 212FC8B8
> handle 312FC958
> handle 412FA350
> handle 512FA3F0
> handle 612FA498
> pix_buffer_read: couldn't find pix_buffer '1141-buff'
> GEM: loaded images: C:/vid/gem-vj/img/fly/ .jpg from 0 to 14 skipping 1
> GEM: loaded images: C:/vid/gem-vj/img/universe/ .jpg from 0 to 12
> skipping 1
> error: GEM: rotateXYZ: needs 0 or 3 arguments
> error: GEM: rotateXYZ: needs 0 or 3 arguments
> error: GEM: rotateXYZ: needs 0 or 3 arguments
> error: GEM: rotateXYZ: needs 0 or 3 arguments

this has always been like this: [rotateXYZ] either needs no or exactly 3
arguments; try to find out why your patch gives another number of
arguments to this object.



> [demultiplex] part of zexy-2.1 (compiled: Apr 14 2007)
> Copyright (l) 1999-2006 IOhannes m zmölnig, forum::für::umläute & IEM
> error: GEMtext: unable to open font C:/vid/gem-vj/over/vera.ttf

Gem's default font has changed from arial.ttf to vera.ttf for legal reasons.
just copy your old C:/vid/gem-vj/over/arial.ttf to
C:/vid/gem-vj/over/vera.ttf



mfga.sdr
IOhannes

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