Re: [PD] GEM / pix objects : limiting colours

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

chris clepper wrote:
> On 3/11/07, *Sciss* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> 
> mac intel. however the pix_offset help file says "When adding an
> offset to each color-channel, no clipping is done. Thus you can wrap
> around the color-space", so probably it behaves right, only in my
> case i want to prevent wrapping ... 
> 
> 
> The PPC code does not wrap around since Altivec has saturating
> addition.  Maybe MMX lacks that.  I'll check when I have the time.


yes i think the mmx/sse2 code does overwrap.
however, i also think that there is a switch to turn that
onwait...no ehm there is only a switch in the [pix_gain] object to
turn this on/off: it is [saturate 1/0(

though saturation is the logical usage, i would like to provide both
ways, for legacy reasons and for freedom of choice.

mfa.sdr
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[PD] noisy soundcard

[Martin Eckart]

Hi all,

I've had an annoying hum coming from my edirol FA-101 when I hook it up 
to PA systems and have finally figured out that it occurs only when my 
laptop is plugged in and not running on batteries.  The FA-101 is also 
plugged in (boo 4-pin 1394 connections...) and then the amps I run into 
are also 3-pin plugs and leads me to believe that this is probably a 
ground loop issue.  Can anyone suggest possible solutions?  Is there a 
power bar that isolates grounds?

-martin

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Re: [PD] Patch Crashed Durring Development and Will Not Reopen

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

Chris McCormick wrote:

> Does anybody know of a versioning system that runs on a native PC and
> doesn't require a server? I think bzr might actually do this.

well, the grandfather of revision control systems RCS does not need a
server.
RCS is the backend of CVS (which needs the "server" only for accessing
the RCS system)

it is probably not the most uptodate revision control system.

mfga.sdr
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Re: [PD] python 2.4 on OSX

[Thomas Grill]

Hi Marius,
you could also rebuild py/pyext using flext and py from cvs.

In this case using the install_name_tool could also work, which  
allows you to change references to dynamic libraries.

greetings,
Thomas

Am 12.03.2007 um 05:45 schrieb marius schebella:

> shit,
> I upgraded my python version, but py seems to be hardcoded to 2.3 and
> does not load anymore.
> /Applications/Pd-0.39.2-extended-test7.app/Contents/Resources/ 
> Scripts/../extra/py.pd_darwin:
> dlopen(/Applications/Pd-0.39.2-extended-test7.app/Contents/ 
> Resources/Scripts/../extra/py.pd_darwin,
> 10): Library not loaded:
> /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/Python
>Referenced from:
> /Applications/Pd-0.39.2-extended-test7.app/Contents/Resources/ 
> Scripts/../extra/py.pd_darwin
>Reason: image not found
> can I just make a symlink/alias to fix this???
> marius.
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Re: [PD] GEM / pix objects : limiting colours

[Sciss]

ok, but let me know if there's any kind of work around ... i guess  
internally everything is int8 not float32? because if float32 (-- i  
don't want to degrade the bit-resolution... --), i could do pix_gain  
0.5 before the colourization, then afterwards a pix_gain 2.0 with  
saturation ...

ciao, -sciss-

Am 12.03.2007 um 09:00 schrieb IOhannes m zmoelnig:

> chris clepper wrote:
>> On 3/11/07, *Sciss* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >  
>> wrote:
>>
>> mac intel. however the pix_offset help file says "When adding an
>> offset to each color-channel, no clipping is done. Thus you  
>> can wrap
>> around the color-space", so probably it behaves right, only in my
>> case i want to prevent wrapping ...
>>
>>
>> The PPC code does not wrap around since Altivec has saturating
>> addition.  Maybe MMX lacks that.  I'll check when I have the time.
>
>
> yes i think the mmx/sse2 code does overwrap.
> however, i also think that there is a switch to turn that
> onwait...no ehm there is only a switch in the [pix_gain] object to
> turn this on/off: it is [saturate 1/0(
>
> though saturation is the logical usage, i would like to provide both
> ways, for legacy reasons and for freedom of choice.
>
> mfa.sdr
> IOhannes
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Re: [PD] noisy soundcard

[David Powers]

Although you should use this solution at your own risk, I've solved
this problem by using a 3-to-2 prong adaptor ... The more expensive
solution is some kind of power conditioner, I believe...

~David

On 3/11/07, Martin Eckart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've had an annoying hum coming from my edirol FA-101 when I hook it up
> to PA systems and have finally figured out that it occurs only when my
> laptop is plugged in and not running on batteries.  The FA-101 is also
> plugged in (boo 4-pin 1394 connections...) and then the amps I run into
> are also 3-pin plugs and leads me to believe that this is probably a
> ground loop issue.  Can anyone suggest possible solutions?  Is there a
> power bar that isolates grounds?
>
> -martin
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Re: [PD] Patch Crashed Durring Development and Will Not Reopen

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
Chris McCormick hat gesagt: // Chris McCormick wrote:

> Does anybody know of a versioning system that runs on a native PC and
> doesn't require a server? I think bzr might actually do this.

RCS runs about anywhere. Another popular versioning system, that is
not CVS or Subversion is Darcs: http://www.darcs.net/DarcsWiki

Ciao
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Re: [PD] GEM / pix objects : limiting colours

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

Sciss wrote:
> ok, but let me know if there's any kind of work around ... i guess  
> internally everything is int8 not float32? because if float32 (-- i  
> don't want to degrade the bit-resolution... --), i could do pix_gain  
> 0.5 before the colourization, then afterwards a pix_gain 2.0 with  
> saturation ...


right, gem handles colors as 8bit integer values, so you are out of luck
here.

however, i just added the changes for saturated maths in [pix_offset] to
the CVS, so check it out recompile and report whether it works as expected.

mfga.-sdr
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Re: [PD] apt get for abstractions

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
adam armfield hat gesagt: // adam armfield wrote:

> following on from the ongoing debate about bundles for
> patches with many abstractions, I had the idea for an
> apt-get style system, where someone who wants a patch
> can enter a command & get all necessary abstractions
> at the same time...

"cvs update"?

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[PD] oldschool rave synths

[hard off]

have you made a good oldschool pd synth?  anything i make sounds like
some roland groovebox from the 90's.

anyone got any cool old rave sounds?

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Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

[Steffen]

On 12/03/2007, at 11.56, hard off wrote:

> have you made a good oldschool pd synth?  anything i make sounds like
> some roland groovebox from the 90's.

Frank's got a 303 thingy, http://footils.org/cms/show/19

I'd be surprised if Andy doesn't have some oldtech sounding stuff about.

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Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

[hard off]

andy's tokyo techno one is cool.

but i want hoovers.  i keep try to make them and they always suck.
there must have been a secret ingredient that i am forgetting.

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Re: [PD] apt get for abstractions

[Stephen Sinclair]

what if you could refer to abstractions using URLs?  a caching system
could take care of reducing the need to be connected at all times.
something like ZeroInstall for example.

or perhaps using Java-style class paths, especially if URLs could be
included in the class path.

would this lead to very long abstraction names? we could solve this by
providing an "alias" object, so that any abstractions mentioned in a
patch that are prepended by the given alias are replaced with the
alias' URL.  Then the "alias" could be used as the "base address" for
the abstraction names.


Steve


On 3/11/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think this would be very useful.  It should be as easy to set up as
> possible, some kind of minimal setup based on HTTP like basic apt-get
> repositories.  Eclipse's repository format is worth checking out.
>
> I think we should build it in Pd for maximum portability and
> maintainability.  Pd programmers will always be able to write in Pd.
> But that's not always the case for C or other programming languages.
>
> .hc
>
> On Mar 11, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Alexandre Quessy wrote:
>
> > Sure,
> > But such a system should be as portable as Pd. Such a system should be
> > in C, I guess, for maximum portability.
> >
> > Like APT, I find the pear package system very nice too. It would be
> > very easy to adapt, but it is in PHP. It uses XML to store
> > informations about the files hierarchy.
> >
> > Marc Lavallée told me about a simple package system that would be easy
> > to adapt, but I forgot its name. Marc ?
> >
> > Such a topic might fit better in the pd-dev list.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> > 2007/3/11, adam armfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> following on from the ongoing debate about bundles for
> >> patches with many abstractions, I had the idea for an
> >> apt-get style system, where someone who wants a patch
> >> can enter a command & get all necessary abstractions
> >> at the same time...
> >>
> >>
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Re: [PD] noisy soundcard

[Roman Haefeli]

On Sun, 2007-03-11 at 22:53 -0400, Martin Eckart wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've had an annoying hum coming from my edirol FA-101 when I hook it up 
> to PA systems and have finally figured out that it occurs only when my 
> laptop is plugged in and not running on batteries.  The FA-101 is also 
> plugged in (boo 4-pin 1394 connections...) and then the amps I run into 
> are also 3-pin plugs and leads me to believe that this is probably a 
> ground loop issue.  Can anyone suggest possible solutions?  Is there a 
> power bar that isolates grounds?

hello martin

lifting the ground of the power-plug would solve the problem, though it
isn't recommended and might be dangerous. 
better would be to galvanically isolate your FA-101 from the amplifiers.
this could be done by transmitting the soundsignal over a transformator.
there are DI-boxes around with a ground-lift button, which do exactly
that. but you could also buy an appropriate trafo and solder the
necessary plugs to it yourself.

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Re: [PD] apt get for abstractions

[Kyle Klipowicz]

I haven't used Net-Pd that much, but doesn't it use a sort of system
to keep patches up to date?

~Kyle

On 3/12/07, Stephen Sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> what if you could refer to abstractions using URLs?  a caching system
> could take care of reducing the need to be connected at all times.
> something like ZeroInstall for example.
>
> or perhaps using Java-style class paths, especially if URLs could be
> included in the class path.
>
> would this lead to very long abstraction names? we could solve this by
> providing an "alias" object, so that any abstractions mentioned in a
> patch that are prepended by the given alias are replaced with the
> alias' URL.  Then the "alias" could be used as the "base address" for
> the abstraction names.
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> On 3/11/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I think this would be very useful.  It should be as easy to set up as
> > possible, some kind of minimal setup based on HTTP like basic apt-get
> > repositories.  Eclipse's repository format is worth checking out.
> >
> > I think we should build it in Pd for maximum portability and
> > maintainability.  Pd programmers will always be able to write in Pd.
> > But that's not always the case for C or other programming languages.
> >
> > .hc
> >
> > On Mar 11, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Alexandre Quessy wrote:
> >
> > > Sure,
> > > But such a system should be as portable as Pd. Such a system should be
> > > in C, I guess, for maximum portability.
> > >
> > > Like APT, I find the pear package system very nice too. It would be
> > > very easy to adapt, but it is in PHP. It uses XML to store
> > > informations about the files hierarchy.
> > >
> > > Marc Lavallée told me about a simple package system that would be easy
> > > to adapt, but I forgot its name. Marc ?
> > >
> > > Such a topic might fit better in the pd-dev list.
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > >
> > > 2007/3/11, adam armfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >> following on from the ongoing debate about bundles for
> > >> patches with many abstractions, I had the idea for an
> > >> apt-get style system, where someone who wants a patch
> > >> can enter a command & get all necessary abstractions
> > >> at the same time...
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Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

[padawan12]

Dunno if you can make this into anything useful. It's very nasty.

twin vari-slope triangle -> chebyshev waveshaper -> formant
  ^   |
  |_  FM feedback |

I was trying to get something like a "virus" sound for a mate who
is into jungle. This is the "weaponised" version with no anti-aliasing
whatsoever (apparently that makes it sound better).
Careful, it's already claimed one set of speakers. You might want to 
put some filters on the output to tame it a bit.


But it's not classic "hoover". You want lots of detuned triangles for
that. Somewhere there's one called Edgar.pd I made which does that quite
nicely, but just rip the dual slope triangle out of this one, dupe it a few
times and give them a spread of about 3%, that's the secret ingredient.


On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:34:01 +0900
"hard off" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> andy's tokyo techno one is cool.
> 
> but i want hoovers.  i keep try to make them and they always suck.
> there must have been a secret ingredient that i am forgetting.
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[PD] Summer of Code orgs?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Did anyone apply to the Google Summer of Code as "Pure Data"?  That's  
how most of the mentoring organizations are structured.  I am  
currently applying as IDMI/Polytechnic, which will allow students to  
work on Pd projects.  But it seems that it would make sense to have  
someone apply as "Pure Data".  Maybe someone from IEM did that  
already, or someone else?

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Re: [PD] noisy soundcard

[patrick]

hi,

maybe reading this will help you finding the solution:
http://www.davidemorelli.it/doku.php?id=other:ground_loops

patrick

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[PD] noisy soundcard

[adam armfield]

one solution i heard of is to use a psuedo balanced
cable, a normal audio cable with a resistor soldered
into one lead (iirc)

all the best

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Re: [PD] noisy soundcard

[padawan12]

If you can get hold of a transformer PSU for your laptop
that is a very reliable solution. It's not really a question
of ground "loops", so much as switched mode power blocks tend
to float at up to 80 volts above ground, especially the cheap
ones. They throw off horrible little spikes at 100Hz where the
triac cuts each cycle and those propagate everywhere.
Another fix might be to power the Edirol from its own transformer
instead of using USB to power it, then make a USB cable that 
is data only, no power.


On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:53:12 -0400
Martin Eckart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I've had an annoying hum coming from my edirol FA-101 when I hook it up 
> to PA systems and have finally figured out that it occurs only when my 
> laptop is plugged in and not running on batteries.  The FA-101 is also 
> plugged in (boo 4-pin 1394 connections...) and then the amps I run into 
> are also 3-pin plugs and leads me to believe that this is probably a 
> ground loop issue.  Can anyone suggest possible solutions?  Is there a 
> power bar that isolates grounds?
> 
> -martin
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Re: [PD] apt get for abstractions

[Roman Haefeli]

hello everyone

yes, netpd has a built-in system to keep netpd-patches updated. each
patch and each abstraction is tagged with a message-box anywhere in the
patch containing [version X.X.X(. each netpd-patch or -abstraction also
can have a subpatch called [pd abslist]. the names of the used
abstractions can be stored in message-boxes, e.g. [myabs1(, [myabs2(,
within that subpatch in order to link the abstraction with the parent
patch.
when a new user joins a session, the local creator sends a request to
another one. the remote creator responds with a list of all opened
patches, their used abstractions and the version of each patch/abs. the
local creator compares all version numbers with the versions of the
locally stored patches/abs and then sends a download-request to the
remote creator, if needed.  

this system could easily be ported, so that it would work outside of
netpd. the netpd-versioning system lacks the ability to search
directories recursively for abstractions and also to create directories
and to save abstractions in arbitrary locations. i think these
capabilities would be needed for a reasonably working versioning system.
they might be implemented by using externals like [getdir] and others,
which are not used by netpd yet. 

i'd rather would not want to implement a complete system myself, but i'd
like to help someone who wants to do so. 

if it would be sufficient to store the main-patches in one and all the
abstractions in another directory, one could setup a fully working
system on a server using mostly existing code. the server would run a
netpd-server and a creator, that handles and responds to the requests.
the client could be a _chat.pd and _creator.pd stripped down and merged
together. the user could just type the name of the patch into the
client's interface and the patch would be downloaded with all
abstractions that are used by it. 

let me know, if the 'small' system described above is already of
interest. maybe it would be the best, if i would do the basic steps and
then someone else could work on top of it.

roman  



On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 10:52 -0500, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
> I haven't used Net-Pd that much, but doesn't it use a sort of system
> to keep patches up to date?
> 
> ~Kyle
> 
> On 3/12/07, Stephen Sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > what if you could refer to abstractions using URLs?  a caching system
> > could take care of reducing the need to be connected at all times.
> > something like ZeroInstall for example.
> >
> > or perhaps using Java-style class paths, especially if URLs could be
> > included in the class path.
> >
> > would this lead to very long abstraction names? we could solve this by
> > providing an "alias" object, so that any abstractions mentioned in a
> > patch that are prepended by the given alias are replaced with the
> > alias' URL.  Then the "alias" could be used as the "base address" for
> > the abstraction names.
> >
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > On 3/11/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think this would be very useful.  It should be as easy to set up as
> > > possible, some kind of minimal setup based on HTTP like basic apt-get
> > > repositories.  Eclipse's repository format is worth checking out.
> > >
> > > I think we should build it in Pd for maximum portability and
> > > maintainability.  Pd programmers will always be able to write in Pd.
> > > But that's not always the case for C or other programming languages.
> > >
> > > .hc
> > >
> > > On Mar 11, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Alexandre Quessy wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sure,
> > > > But such a system should be as portable as Pd. Such a system should be
> > > > in C, I guess, for maximum portability.
> > > >
> > > > Like APT, I find the pear package system very nice too. It would be
> > > > very easy to adapt, but it is in PHP. It uses XML to store
> > > > informations about the files hierarchy.
> > > >
> > > > Marc Lavallée told me about a simple package system that would be easy
> > > > to adapt, but I forgot its name. Marc ?
> > > >
> > > > Such a topic might fit better in the pd-dev list.
> > > >
> > > > Alex
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2007/3/11, adam armfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > >> following on from the ongoing debate about bundles for
> > > >> patches with many abstractions, I had the idea for an
> > > >> apt-get style system, where someone who wants a patch
> > > >> can enter a command & get all necessary abstractions
> > > >> at the same time...
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Re: [PD] Summer of Code orgs?

[Tim Blechmann]

On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 12:30 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> 
> Did anyone apply to the Google Summer of Code as "Pure Data"?
> That's  
> how most of the mentoring organizations are structured.  I am  
> currently applying as IDMI/Polytechnic, which will allow students to  
> work on Pd projects.  

would that be exclusive? or would it allow students to apply for related
projects? 
if it's open to related projects, i might apply with pnpd/nova ...

tim

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Re: [PD] Summer of Code orgs?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Mar 12, 2007, at 12:57 PM, Tim Blechmann wrote:

> On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 12:30 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>
>> Did anyone apply to the Google Summer of Code as "Pure Data"?
>> That's
>> how most of the mentoring organizations are structured.  I am
>> currently applying as IDMI/Polytechnic, which will allow students to
>> work on Pd projects.
>
> would that be exclusive? or would it allow students to apply for  
> related
> projects?
> if it's open to related projects, i might apply with pnpd/nova ...

It's mostly project-based, with only a few orgs like universities and  
companies listed.

.hc

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Re: [PD] apt get for abstractions

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Mar 12, 2007, at 5:27 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:

> Hallo,
> adam armfield hat gesagt: // adam armfield wrote:
>
>> following on from the ongoing debate about bundles for
>> patches with many abstractions, I had the idea for an
>> apt-get style system, where someone who wants a patch
>> can enter a command & get all necessary abstractions
>> at the same time...
>
> "cvs update"?

That's not decentralized, nor easy to setup.

.hc

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Re: [PD] Summer of Code orgs?

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> Did anyone apply to the Google Summer of Code as "Pure Data"?  That's  
> how most of the mentoring organizations are structured.  I am  
> currently applying as IDMI/Polytechnic, which will allow students to  
> work on Pd projects.  But it seems that it would make sense to have  
> someone apply as "Pure Data".  Maybe someone from IEM did that  
> already, or someone else?

we did apply, but as "IEM" (though pointing out, that we are hosting the
community portal)

fmgaldr
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Re: [PD] apt get for abstractions

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Mar 12, 2007, at 5:27 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:

> Hallo,
> adam armfield hat gesagt: // adam armfield wrote:
>
>> following on from the ongoing debate about bundles for
>> patches with many abstractions, I had the idea for an
>> apt-get style system, where someone who wants a patch
>> can enter a command & get all necessary abstractions
>> at the same time...
>
> "cvs update"?

Or perhaps a better, equally terse response:

apt-get != cvs

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Re: [PD] apt get for abstractions

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Yeah, that code could be turned into a library then used for the  
versioning for this Pd apt-get.  The other parts include a common  
library/package format (like finishing up libdir support) and a  
common repository format that's easy to setup.

.hc

On Mar 12, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:

> I haven't used Net-Pd that much, but doesn't it use a sort of system
> to keep patches up to date?
>
> ~Kyle
>
> On 3/12/07, Stephen Sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> what if you could refer to abstractions using URLs?  a caching system
>> could take care of reducing the need to be connected at all times.
>> something like ZeroInstall for example.
>>
>> or perhaps using Java-style class paths, especially if URLs could be
>> included in the class path.
>>
>> would this lead to very long abstraction names? we could solve  
>> this by
>> providing an "alias" object, so that any abstractions mentioned in a
>> patch that are prepended by the given alias are replaced with the
>> alias' URL.  Then the "alias" could be used as the "base address" for
>> the abstraction names.
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> On 3/11/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think this would be very useful.  It should be as easy to set  
>>> up as
>>> possible, some kind of minimal setup based on HTTP like basic apt- 
>>> get
>>> repositories.  Eclipse's repository format is worth checking out.
>>>
>>> I think we should build it in Pd for maximum portability and
>>> maintainability.  Pd programmers will always be able to write in Pd.
>>> But that's not always the case for C or other programming languages.
>>>
>>> .hc
>>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Alexandre Quessy wrote:
>>>
 Sure,
 But such a system should be as portable as Pd. Such a system  
 should be
 in C, I guess, for maximum portability.

 Like APT, I find the pear package system very nice too. It would be
 very easy to adapt, but it is in PHP. It uses XML to store
 informations about the files hierarchy.

 Marc Lavallée told me about a simple package system that would  
 be easy
 to adapt, but I forgot its name. Marc ?

 Such a topic might fit better in the pd-dev list.

 Alex


 2007/3/11, adam armfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> following on from the ongoing debate about bundles for
> patches with many abstractions, I had the idea for an
> apt-get style system, where someone who wants a patch
> can enter a command & get all necessary abstractions
> at the same time...
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Re: [PD] noisy soundcard

[Malte Steiner]

Same discussion happens at Linux Audio User Mailinglist in the moment. 
My advice is to use balanced/ symmetrical cables if the Edirol and your 
mixer have balanced in- and outputs.

Cheers,

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[PD] I created an ebuild for pd-0.40-p2

[m t]

Grab it while  its hot at:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151843

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Re: [PD] I created an ebuild for pd-0.40-p2

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Hey,

Looks good, the more the merrier :)  If you are planning on  
maintaining that, it should be included in the CVS.  If you are  
definitely committed to supporting Pd on Gentoo, then I can setup a  
Gentoo box in the auto-build farm for a nightly build on Gentoo.


I haven't used Gentoo at all, so I can't be of any help to Gentoo- 
specific things.


.hc

On Mar 12, 2007, at 11:49 AM, m t wrote:


Grab it while  its hot at:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151843

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Re: [PD] I created an ebuild for pd-0.40-p2

[Derek Holzer]

Any interest in expanding that to PD extended? Vanilla PD is so *boring* 
 ;-)

m t wrote:
> Grab it while  its hot at:
> 
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151843


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[PD] [workshop][Berlin] 17th March: Oscillation Overthruster--Pure Data (PD) Synthesis, Feedback and Noise

[Derek Holzer]

x workshop_7_x Berlin


17th March: Oscillation Overthruster--Pure Data (PD) Synthesis,
Feedback and Noise

with Derek Holzer (http://www.umatic.nl/info_derek.html).

Pure Data is a powerful, free and open source environment for
producing and manipulating sound, image and data in real time. This
hands-on workshop will concentrate on using oscillators, filters,
feedback and noise to create your own self-modulating/generative sound
systems. Go for that classic analog sound, do the digital
clicks-n-cuts thing, or indulge in a noise orgy freakout... Since we
will cover quite a bit of Pure Data and DSP (Digital Signal
Processing) basics, this workshop is ideal for PD beginners as well as
experienced users who want to come and make some noise
together. External inputs and controllers such as MIDI
keyboards/faderboxes, USB joysticks, sensors or microphones could be
useful, but not required.

---What to bring:

* Essential:

1) Laptop running Linux, OS X or Windows
2) Pure Data Extended installed from:
http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
3) Soundcard (internal or external, quality a non-issue)
4) Headphones
5) EUR 10 participation fee

* Recommended/Suggested:

1) MIDI controller/keyboard
2) Microphone
3) USB Joystick
4) Your own PD audio projects for feedback/show-and-tell

---About the Teacher

Derek Holzer [USA 1972] began working with Pure Data in 2001. Since
then, he has taught and performed with the program across Europe,
North America, Brazil and New Zealand. His work focuses on field
recording, networked collaboration strategies, experiments in
improvisational sound and the use of free software such as
Pure-Data. Holzer has released tracks under the Nexsound, Sirr,
and/OAR and Gruenrekorder labels, and has co-initiated several
internet projects for field recording and collaborative soundscapes
including Soundtransit.nl. He is currently writing a beginner's manual
for Pure Data.

http://www.umatic.nl/info_derek.html

http://www.umatic.nl/workshops.html


Background:

A weekly series of constructivist workshops emphasising making and
connection within the field of the existent.

Workshops led by field-expert practitioners extend over realms of code
and embedded code, environmental code, noise, transmission and
reception, and electromysticism. Workshops solely utilise free
software and GNU toolbase.

Practitioners include Julian Oliver (http://selectparks.net/), Derek
Holzer (http://soundtransit.nl), Jeff Mann (http://jeffmann.com),
Martin Howse (http://1010.co.uk), Fredrik Olofsson
(http://www.fredrikolofsson.com/), superfactory (http://superfactory.biz)


Further planned workshops will cover Pd connectivity and hardware, the
Arduino platform, ATmega8 microcontrollers, UNIX process, free
software documentation, VLF reception, radio antenna design, analogue
TV transmission, FPGA design... full details tbc.

Please RSVP [EMAIL PROTECTED] to reserve any places or register
interest. Please forward.

x, pickledfeet, Linienstrasse 54, Berlin 10119

U2, Rosa-Luxemburg-Pl.
U8, Rosenthaler Pl.

Telephone: 3050187482. http://1010.co.uk/workshop.html

//->

http://x.1010.co.uk
http://1010.co.uk

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[PD] Berlin workshop--17th March: Oscillation Overthruster--Pure Data (PD) Synthesis, Feedback and Noise

[Derek Holzer]

x workshop_7_x Berlin


17th March: Oscillation Overthruster--Pure Data (PD) Synthesis,
Feedback and Noise

with Derek Holzer (http://www.umatic.nl/info_derek.html).

Pure Data is a powerful, free and open source environment for
producing and manipulating sound, image and data in real time. This
hands-on workshop will concentrate on using oscillators, filters,
feedback and noise to create your own self-modulating/generative sound
systems. Go for that classic analog sound, do the digital
clicks-n-cuts thing, or indulge in a noise orgy freakout... Since we
will cover quite a bit of Pure Data and DSP (Digital Signal
Processing) basics, this workshop is ideal for PD beginners as well as
experienced users who want to come and make some noise
together. External inputs and controllers such as MIDI
keyboards/faderboxes, USB joysticks, sensors or microphones could be
useful, but not required.

---What to bring:

* Essential:

1) Laptop running Linux, OS X or Windows
2) Pure Data Extended installed from:
http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
3) Soundcard (internal or external, quality a non-issue)
4) Headphones
5) EUR 10 participation fee

* Recommended/Suggested:

1) MIDI controller/keyboard
2) Microphone
3) USB Joystick
4) Your own PD audio projects for feedback/show-and-tell

---About the Teacher

Derek Holzer [USA 1972] began working with Pure Data in 2001. Since
then, he has taught and performed with the program across Europe,
North America, Brazil and New Zealand. His work focuses on field
recording, networked collaboration strategies, experiments in
improvisational sound and the use of free software such as
Pure-Data. Holzer has released tracks under the Nexsound, Sirr,
and/OAR and Gruenrekorder labels, and has co-initiated several
internet projects for field recording and collaborative soundscapes
including Soundtransit.nl. He is currently writing a beginner's manual
for Pure Data.

http://www.umatic.nl/info_derek.html

http://www.umatic.nl/workshops.html


Background:

A weekly series of constructivist workshops emphasising making and
connection within the field of the existent.

Workshops led by field-expert practitioners extend over realms of code
and embedded code, environmental code, noise, transmission and
reception, and electromysticism. Workshops solely utilise free
software and GNU toolbase.

Practitioners include Julian Oliver (http://selectparks.net/), Derek
Holzer (http://soundtransit.nl), Jeff Mann (http://jeffmann.com),
Martin Howse (http://1010.co.uk), Fredrik Olofsson
(http://www.fredrikolofsson.com/), superfactory (http://superfactory.biz)


Further planned workshops will cover Pd connectivity and hardware, the
Arduino platform, ATmega8 microcontrollers, UNIX process, free
software documentation, VLF reception, radio antenna design, analogue
TV transmission, FPGA design... full details tbc.

Please RSVP [EMAIL PROTECTED] to reserve any places or register
interest. Please forward.

x, pickledfeet, Linienstrasse 54, Berlin 10119

U2, Rosa-Luxemburg-Pl.
U8, Rosenthaler Pl.

Telephone: 3050187482. http://1010.co.uk/workshop.html

//->

http://x.1010.co.uk
http://1010.co.uk

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[PD] [workshop][Berlin] 17th March: Oscillation Overthruster--Pure Data (PD) Synthesis, Feedback and Noise

[Derek Holzer]

x workshop_7_x Berlin


17th March: Oscillation Overthruster--Pure Data (PD) Synthesis,
Feedback and Noise

with Derek Holzer (http://www.umatic.nl/info_derek.html).

Pure Data is a powerful, free and open source environment for
producing and manipulating sound, image and data in real time. This
hands-on workshop will concentrate on using oscillators, filters,
feedback and noise to create your own self-modulating/generative sound
systems. Go for that classic analog sound, do the digital
clicks-n-cuts thing, or indulge in a noise orgy freakout... Since we
will cover quite a bit of Pure Data and DSP (Digital Signal
Processing) basics, this workshop is ideal for PD beginners as well as
experienced users who want to come and make some noise
together. External inputs and controllers such as MIDI
keyboards/faderboxes, USB joysticks, sensors or microphones could be
useful, but not required.

---What to bring:

* Essential:

1) Laptop running Linux, OS X or Windows
2) Pure Data Extended installed from:
http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
3) Soundcard (internal or external, quality a non-issue)
4) Headphones
5) EUR 10 participation fee

* Recommended/Suggested:

1) MIDI controller/keyboard
2) Microphone
3) USB Joystick
4) Your own PD audio projects for feedback/show-and-tell

---About the Teacher

Derek Holzer [USA 1972] began working with Pure Data in 2001. Since
then, he has taught and performed with the program across Europe,
North America, Brazil and New Zealand. His work focuses on field
recording, networked collaboration strategies, experiments in
improvisational sound and the use of free software such as
Pure-Data. Holzer has released tracks under the Nexsound, Sirr,
and/OAR and Gruenrekorder labels, and has co-initiated several
internet projects for field recording and collaborative soundscapes
including Soundtransit.nl. He is currently writing a beginner's manual
for Pure Data.

http://www.umatic.nl/info_derek.html

http://www.umatic.nl/workshops.html


Background:

A weekly series of constructivist workshops emphasising making and
connection within the field of the existent.

Workshops led by field-expert practitioners extend over realms of code
and embedded code, environmental code, noise, transmission and
reception, and electromysticism. Workshops solely utilise free
software and GNU toolbase.

Practitioners include Julian Oliver (http://selectparks.net/), Derek
Holzer (http://soundtransit.nl), Jeff Mann (http://jeffmann.com),
Martin Howse (http://1010.co.uk), Fredrik Olofsson
(http://www.fredrikolofsson.com/), superfactory (http://superfactory.biz)


Further planned workshops will cover Pd connectivity and hardware, the
Arduino platform, ATmega8 microcontrollers, UNIX process, free
software documentation, VLF reception, radio antenna design, analogue
TV transmission, FPGA design... full details tbc.

Please RSVP [EMAIL PROTECTED] to reserve any places or register
interest. Please forward.

x, pickledfeet, Linienstrasse 54, Berlin 10119

U2, Rosa-Luxemburg-Pl.
U8, Rosenthaler Pl.

Telephone: 3050187482. http://1010.co.uk/workshop.html

//->

http://x.1010.co.uk
http://1010.co.uk

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[PD] sorry for the hiccups

[Derek Holzer]

Mail server just wasn't playing nice

best,
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[PD] resoncomb~ external release

[Conor J Curran]

Hi all,

I have just uploaded my resoncomb external (linux).
http://www.forwind.net/forwind.net/software.htm
http://www.forwind.net/forwind.net/software/reson_comb_release_v0.9.tar.gz

Three stereo comb filters running in tandem with gain and freq exposed
on each comb. Also  master combs gain, pan on each comb, frequency
transition slide speed and random stagger slide depth can each be
controlled.

Screen shot here
http://www.forwind.net/forwind.net/images/stills/resoncomb_screenshot.png

The input section of the gui of the external is a little crowded !
Use the example patch in the tar as a starting point. 

There is a bug whereby if the audio is switched off and the external is
loaded on the canvas and if an input is received by the external it will
cause a seg fault. short term solution -> turn audio on :)

Enjoy

Conor




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Re: [PD] Berlin workshop--17th March: Oscillation Overthruster--Pure Data (PD) Synthesis, Feedback and Noise

[Kevin McCoy]

I would love to see any example patches you are planning for this - do
you have anything that sort of represents what you have in mind for
the workshop?

Kevin

On 3/12/07, Derek Holzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> x workshop_7_x Berlin
>
>
> 17th March: Oscillation Overthruster--Pure Data (PD) Synthesis,
> Feedback and Noise
>
> with Derek Holzer (http://www.umatic.nl/info_derek.html).
>
> Pure Data is a powerful, free and open source environment for
> producing and manipulating sound, image and data in real time. This
> hands-on workshop will concentrate on using oscillators, filters,
> feedback and noise to create your own self-modulating/generative sound
> systems. Go for that classic analog sound, do the digital
> clicks-n-cuts thing, or indulge in a noise orgy freakout... Since we
> will cover quite a bit of Pure Data and DSP (Digital Signal
> Processing) basics, this workshop is ideal for PD beginners as well as
> experienced users who want to come and make some noise
> together. External inputs and controllers such as MIDI
> keyboards/faderboxes, USB joysticks, sensors or microphones could be
> useful, but not required.
>
> ---What to bring:
>
> * Essential:
>
> 1) Laptop running Linux, OS X or Windows
> 2) Pure Data Extended installed from:
> http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
> 3) Soundcard (internal or external, quality a non-issue)
> 4) Headphones
> 5) EUR 10 participation fee
>
> * Recommended/Suggested:
>
> 1) MIDI controller/keyboard
> 2) Microphone
> 3) USB Joystick
> 4) Your own PD audio projects for feedback/show-and-tell
>
> ---About the Teacher
>
> Derek Holzer [USA 1972] began working with Pure Data in 2001. Since
> then, he has taught and performed with the program across Europe,
> North America, Brazil and New Zealand. His work focuses on field
> recording, networked collaboration strategies, experiments in
> improvisational sound and the use of free software such as
> Pure-Data. Holzer has released tracks under the Nexsound, Sirr,
> and/OAR and Gruenrekorder labels, and has co-initiated several
> internet projects for field recording and collaborative soundscapes
> including Soundtransit.nl. He is currently writing a beginner's manual
> for Pure Data.
>
> http://www.umatic.nl/info_derek.html
>
> http://www.umatic.nl/workshops.html
> 
>
> Background:
>
> A weekly series of constructivist workshops emphasising making and
> connection within the field of the existent.
>
> Workshops led by field-expert practitioners extend over realms of code
> and embedded code, environmental code, noise, transmission and
> reception, and electromysticism. Workshops solely utilise free
> software and GNU toolbase.
>
> Practitioners include Julian Oliver (http://selectparks.net/), Derek
> Holzer (http://soundtransit.nl), Jeff Mann (http://jeffmann.com),
> Martin Howse (http://1010.co.uk), Fredrik Olofsson
> (http://www.fredrikolofsson.com/), superfactory (http://superfactory.biz)
>
>
> Further planned workshops will cover Pd connectivity and hardware, the
> Arduino platform, ATmega8 microcontrollers, UNIX process, free
> software documentation, VLF reception, radio antenna design, analogue
> TV transmission, FPGA design... full details tbc.
>
> Please RSVP [EMAIL PROTECTED] to reserve any places or register
> interest. Please forward.
>
> x, pickledfeet, Linienstrasse 54, Berlin 10119
>
> U2, Rosa-Luxemburg-Pl.
> U8, Rosenthaler Pl.
>
> Telephone: 3050187482. http://1010.co.uk/workshop.html
>
> //->
>
> http://x.1010.co.uk
> http://1010.co.uk
>
> --
> derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl
> ---Oblique Strategy # 115:
> "Make a sudden, destructive unpredictable action; incorporate"
>
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Re: [PD] Berlin workshop--17th March: Oscillation Overthruster--Pure Data (PD) Synthesis, Feedback and Noise

[Derek Holzer]

I'm working on them this week. I have a monster self-modulator using 
LADPSAs and [plugin~] which appears to be Linux-only now, so I'll take 
it apart a bit and use more universal (but not anti-aliased) 
oscillators, filters, send~/receive~, etc etc. Since there's only a day 
to do the workshop, I'm aiming for immediate results. So what will 
probably happen is that I'll have some ready-made abstractions. Those 
that are into it can dive into their structures, and those that are 
scared can (hopefully) just start patching. I'll post examples later, 
probably after the workshop. Flights to Berlin are still cheap, you 
know ;-)

d.

Kevin McCoy wrote:
> I would love to see any example patches you are planning for this - do
> you have anything that sort of represents what you have in mind for
> the workshop?
> 
> Kevin
> 
> On 3/12/07, Derek Holzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> x workshop_7_x Berlin
>>
>>
>> 17th March: Oscillation Overthruster--Pure Data (PD) Synthesis,
>> Feedback and Noise
>>
>> with Derek Holzer (http://www.umatic.nl/info_derek.html).
>>
>> Pure Data is a powerful, free and open source environment for
>> producing and manipulating sound, image and data in real time. This
>> hands-on workshop will concentrate on using oscillators, filters,
>> feedback and noise to create your own self-modulating/generative sound
>> systems. Go for that classic analog sound, do the digital
>> clicks-n-cuts thing, or indulge in a noise orgy freakout... Since we
>> will cover quite a bit of Pure Data and DSP (Digital Signal
>> Processing) basics, this workshop is ideal for PD beginners as well as
>> experienced users who want to come and make some noise
>> together. External inputs and controllers such as MIDI
>> keyboards/faderboxes, USB joysticks, sensors or microphones could be
>> useful, but not required.
>>
>> ---What to bring:
>>
>> * Essential:
>>
>> 1) Laptop running Linux, OS X or Windows
>> 2) Pure Data Extended installed from:
>> http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
>> 3) Soundcard (internal or external, quality a non-issue)
>> 4) Headphones
>> 5) EUR 10 participation fee
>>
>> * Recommended/Suggested:
>>
>> 1) MIDI controller/keyboard
>> 2) Microphone
>> 3) USB Joystick
>> 4) Your own PD audio projects for feedback/show-and-tell
>>
>> ---About the Teacher
>>
>> Derek Holzer [USA 1972] began working with Pure Data in 2001. Since
>> then, he has taught and performed with the program across Europe,
>> North America, Brazil and New Zealand. His work focuses on field
>> recording, networked collaboration strategies, experiments in
>> improvisational sound and the use of free software such as
>> Pure-Data. Holzer has released tracks under the Nexsound, Sirr,
>> and/OAR and Gruenrekorder labels, and has co-initiated several
>> internet projects for field recording and collaborative soundscapes
>> including Soundtransit.nl. He is currently writing a beginner's manual
>> for Pure Data.
>>
>> http://www.umatic.nl/info_derek.html
>>
>> http://www.umatic.nl/workshops.html
>> 
>>
>> Background:
>>
>> A weekly series of constructivist workshops emphasising making and
>> connection within the field of the existent.
>>
>> Workshops led by field-expert practitioners extend over realms of code
>> and embedded code, environmental code, noise, transmission and
>> reception, and electromysticism. Workshops solely utilise free
>> software and GNU toolbase.
>>
>> Practitioners include Julian Oliver (http://selectparks.net/), Derek
>> Holzer (http://soundtransit.nl), Jeff Mann (http://jeffmann.com),
>> Martin Howse (http://1010.co.uk), Fredrik Olofsson
>> (http://www.fredrikolofsson.com/), superfactory (http://superfactory.biz)
>>
>>
>> Further planned workshops will cover Pd connectivity and hardware, the
>> Arduino platform, ATmega8 microcontrollers, UNIX process, free
>> software documentation, VLF reception, radio antenna design, analogue
>> TV transmission, FPGA design... full details tbc.
>>
>> Please RSVP [EMAIL PROTECTED] to reserve any places or register
>> interest. Please forward.
>>
>> x, pickledfeet, Linienstrasse 54, Berlin 10119
>>
>> U2, Rosa-Luxemburg-Pl.
>> U8, Rosenthaler Pl.
>>
>> Telephone: 3050187482. http://1010.co.uk/workshop.html
>>
>> //->
>>
>> http://x.1010.co.uk
>> http://1010.co.uk
>>
>> -- 
>> derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl
>> ---Oblique Strategy # 115:
>> "Make a sudden, destructive unpredictable action; incorporate"
>>
>>
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Re: [PD] Berlin workshop--17th March: Oscillation Overthruster--Pure Data (PD) Synthesis, Feedback and Noise

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
Derek Holzer hat gesagt: // Derek Holzer wrote:

> Flights to Berlin are still cheap, you know ;-)

And a week later, there's the Linux Audio Conference with a log of Pd
stuff again this year. ;) 

Ciao
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[PD] ANN: munger1~ port (from the Percolate library)

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

Hi all,

For impatient, download at: http://ico.bukvic.net/Max/munger1~_1.0.0.tar.gz
(270KB, includes source, Linux-Pd-i386, Mac-Max-i386, and Win32-Max-i386
binaries, and 3 cases of beer)

OVERVIEW


munger1~ (March 12, 2007 1.0.0 release)
a realtime multichannel granulator
a.k.a. the swiss-army-knife of realtime granular synthesis

a flext (cross-platform PD & Max/MSP) port of
the munger~ object from the PeRColate library (0.9 beta5)
http://www.music.columbia.edu/PeRColate/

Original PeRColate library by:

Dan Trueman http://www.music.princeton.edu/~dan/
R. Luke DuBois's http://www.lukedubois.com/

Flext port and additions by:
Ivica Ico Bukvic http://ico.bukvic.net
Ji-Sun Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.music.vt.edu 
http://www.cctad.vt.edu

Released under GPL license
(whichever is the latest version--as of this release, version 2)
For more info on the GPL license please visit:
http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html

ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS


Many thanks to Dan Trueman for open-sourcing this great object!

SOURCE INSTALL
==

If you simply intend to use prebuilt binaries, please skip to the INSTALL
section. Otherwise take a big breath and read on...

1) You need stk library which can be downloaded from:

http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/stk/

2) You need to also install latest flext library (this is a library that
allows for creation of externals for both Max/MSP and PD using the same
source). Version 0.4.x can obtained from the following link:

http://g.org/ext/flext/

Latest CVS version (0.5.1) is found in the Pure-Data CVS (this one is
recommended):

http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=55736

3) If you are using latest CVS version (0.5.1) Before compiling the source
you will need to add the following to the top of the flext/source/flstk.h
file right below the #define __FLSTK_H:

#ifdef PI
#undef PI
#endif

This step will probably become quickly obsolete once Thomas updates CVS.
Until then, this is needed to be able to compile flext against stk.

4) To compile flext, read flext instructions (it boils down to running
build.sh with appropriate parameters and then editing two simple config
files, i.e. "build pd gcc build" or "build max gcc" or "build max msvc"
etc.)

Your will need to edit buildsys/config-.txt to
adjust paths to various folders.

Then you will need to edit config.txt file. You do not need to include
SndObj for this external but you do need stk option to be properly set. On
Windows+MSVC, STK flag at the time of this release does not work, so you
will have to use included testmunger1 MSVC project file and adjust path
settings to compile munger1~.

5) Once stk and flext are compiled, go into munger1~ folder and type:

/build.sh   

NB: on Mac  is not needed. On Windows, please use MSVC
and open the testmunger1 project file in the root of the folder.

6) Once compiled, your binary will be created in a 
subfolder (i.e. pd-linux, or max-darwin), followed by another subfolder
which reflects whether a threaded or singlethread flext was used. Inside you
will find your external.

INSTALL
===

You can either use the prebuilt externals (found in the bin/ folder) or ones
built using the "SOURCE INSTALL" instructions above. Binaries are provided
for Intel-based Macs, Win32, and Intel-based Linux OS. The included prebuilt
binaries DO NOT REQUIRE you to install flext or stk as these are statically
linked.

1) Copy the external in your externals folder (i.e. /usr/lib/pd/extra or
C:\Program Files\Cycling '74\MaxMSP 4.6\Cycling '74\externals\, or
"Applications/MaxMSP 4.6/Cycling '74/externals)

2) Copy appropriate help file (found in the help/ folder) into the help
folder (i.e. /usr/lib/pd/doc/5.reference or C:\Program Files\Cycling
'74\MaxMSP 4.6\max-help, or "Applications/MaxMSP 4.6/max-help)

NB: Pd help file has a ".pd" extension, while Max/MSP help file has a
".help" extension.

3) Start your app (PD or Max) and create object called munger1~. Right-click
(ctrl-click on Macs) and select "help" and this should open the help file
with additional documentation.

Questions? See OVERVIEW for contact and Q&A info.

Enjoy!

FAQ
===

The following is Ico's FAQ, so it may or may not reflect other project
participants' opinions, including original author(s) of munger~, flext, etc.

Q: Why porting to flext?
A: Flext library (by Thomas Grill) is a layer which allows creation of
externals for both Max/MSP and PD without any alterations to the code
(obviously once it is adapted to use flext). While there have been a number
of Max/MSP <-> PD external ports in the past, many of them have become
outdated because such attempts required either maintaining one code full of
ugly #ifdefs, or worse--maintaining two sources. Either way, what usually
turned out to be the case is that original authors did not have the time,
interest, or simply the software/hardware to deal with the newly generated
overhead and/or test the code, while volunteers who made the original
porting efforts eventuall

Re: [PD] external viewers for additional file types ?

[Pete Redest]

Will take a look at the code and check for use of tk_fileChooser - may
be someone has more specific info I can use.

BTW, I am guessing that the particular bad behavior when clicking on a
PDF file, is that there is a bug in the browser, whereby it takes the ".pd"
of the ".pdf" suffix and "believes" it is a PD file, then tries to open it 
in

PD. That looks at first as a "hang" but if I wait 2 minutes, I see a lot of
binary-printed insults in the PD log area, like:
.
GEM: with help by Guenter Geiger, Daniel Heckenberg, Cyrille Henry, et al.
GEM: using MMX optimization
error: %PDF-1.3: no such object
error: ?l?à?Ù\}gßf??Õ\}???ûýòÇæÃõ]vê?dEÆÓB: no such object
. etc ad-infinitum (well, not really infinitum: a few thousand lines 
like that).




From: carmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pd-list@iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] external viewers for additional file types ?
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:48:51 -0400

> Is there a way to define external viewers for files, e.g. a list of the
> kind:
> pdf/usr/bin/acroread
> text   /usr/bin/gvim
> mov  /usr/bin/xine
> txt internal
> [mM]akefile internal
> TODO internal
> 
> Get the drift?. If there isn't such capability

theres something like this for gnome, where if you run 'gnome-remote 
/path/to/some.pdf' it will launch evince. osux has something similar, 
called 'open' i think. on windows, im not sure what you do, maybe 'exec 
explorer.exe filename'..


im pretty sure pd just uses the tk_fileChooser so youre going to have to 
figure out how to override its default somehow.. maybe check the tk docs? 
and check pd.tk. its surely no more than a few lines to do what you want, 
on all the platforms..


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Re: [PD] external viewers for additional file types ?

[Pete Redest]

ok. it doesnt use tk_fileChooser, but the code is in u_main.tk.
The function menu_doc_open does some minimal parsing and
invokes one of just 3 handlers.

I will think some more how to handle this. Also, my observation of
incorrect parsing of the .pdf suffix is not what is happening, but
rather that as-is, the code will open with pd anything that is not
.txt .c or .html.

Probably the easiest would be to launch an external script that
incorporates the added "viewer" table lookup or something like
that. Or add the table lookup right into u_main.tk. I don't know
much Tcl/Tk so ... will see. Will get to it sometime soon.
Thanks!
-Peter



From: "Pete Redest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], pd-list@iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] external viewers for additional file types ?
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 03:19:48 +

Will take a look at the code and check for use of tk_fileChooser - may
be someone has more specific info I can use.

BTW, I am guessing that the particular bad behavior when clicking on a
PDF file, is that there is a bug in the browser, whereby it takes the ".pd"
of the ".pdf" suffix and "believes" it is a PD file, then tries to open it 
in

PD. That looks at first as a "hang" but if I wait 2 minutes, I see a lot of
binary-printed insults in the PD log area, like:
.
GEM: with help by Guenter Geiger, Daniel Heckenberg, Cyrille Henry, et al.
GEM: using MMX optimization
error: %PDF-1.3: no such object
error: ?l?à?Ù\}gßf??Õ\}???ûýòÇæÃõ]vê?dEÆÓB: no such object
. etc ad-infinitum (well, not really infinitum: a few thousand lines 
like that).




From: carmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pd-list@iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] external viewers for additional file types ?
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:48:51 -0400

> Is there a way to define external viewers for files, e.g. a list of the
> kind:
> pdf/usr/bin/acroread
> text   /usr/bin/gvim
> mov  /usr/bin/xine
> txt internal
> [mM]akefile internal
> TODO internal
> 
> Get the drift?. If there isn't such capability

theres something like this for gnome, where if you run 'gnome-remote 
/path/to/some.pdf' it will launch evince. osux has something similar, 
called 'open' i think. on windows, im not sure what you do, maybe 'exec 
explorer.exe filename'..


im pretty sure pd just uses the tk_fileChooser so youre going to have to 
figure out how to override its default somehow.. maybe check the tk docs? 
and check pd.tk. its surely no more than a few lines to do what you want, 
on all the platforms..


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Re: [PD] Packing pointers into lists

[Chris McCormick]

On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 10:24:23PM -0400, Alexandre Quessy wrote:
> BTW Chris, you can also use iem_anything to store and repeat *gem lists.

Sure, but that defeats the purpose of making an external-free [repeat].

Best

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