Re: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses
I don't believe anybody here thinks you ought to buy an istD. Or any other camera. None are perfect, and obviously you will be unhappy with an imperfect cameras. For the rest of us, we live in the real world where hardly anything is perfect and are glad when something meets most of our desires. As I have said before, I have come to the conclusion that the istD was not designed to work with older lenses. It is just a happy coincidence that they work at all. And I feel that is OK, not many companies care about people who collect their antique equipment even as much as Pentax does. One has to realize that if they cared they would still be providing parts and service for that equipment. Resenting it will not make a bit different, but it will make you very unhappy and the rest of us slightly unhappy because you are a nice guy and we are sad to see you tearing your heart out over a lost cause. Me? I only wish I could afford the camera, but eventually the prices will be down where you don't have to be a member of the upper middle class to afford one like it. Peter Alling wrote: If I'm going to plunk down a couple Thousand dollars for a new body, I want one that works "correctly" by my standards. I don't want a company saying, "We know what you need, here it is, shut up and be happy." If that's what you're willing to put up with so be it. It's not whining to demand what you want, it's consumerism. If you don't complain no one will know you're not satisfied. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com "You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
Re: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses
i don't know much about *cAmpatibility* (i suppose that has something to do with camps and campari?), but the rest is BS, be it USA or not. mishka > I don't like all this whining on the > list re non-A lenses. If you haven't bought a new > lens since 1981, you are not keeping Pentax in > business anyway. No other company has campatibility > back to the mid-1980s like Pentax. And the *ist-D is > very competitive with any Canon SLR right now. > >Robert James >USA
Re: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses
On 10 Oct 2003 at 13:55, Rob Studdert wrote: > On 9 Oct 2003 at 21:47, William Robb wrote: > > > You can't make it a black and white issue. > > Exactly. It just shits me.. Oops. Sorry about that. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses
> On 9 Oct 2003 at 21:47, William Robb wrote: > > > You can't make it a black and white issue. Agreed. I'd say that people who only use MF lenses and who have no intention of buying AF lenses don't really have any economic clout when they complain that new bodies won't support their 25 year old lenses. On the flip side, though (since I bemoaned the loss of full K/M compatibility), there are a couple of arguments to be made for keeping compatibility. If someone buys a DSLR intending to use their MF lenses, there's always the chance that they'll wind up buying Pentax AF lenses to take better advantage of the camera's abilities. Also, by removing full compatibility, Pentax has removed any reason for an MF customer to stick with Pentax when they move up to an AF SLR, either film or digital. I consider myself a pretty loyal Pentax MF user, but I've bought my share of stuff new from Pentax, including an MZ-5n, FA28-70, FA80-320, and a 67II. I sold my AF stuff, as I prefer to use 35mm MF and MedF when possible. When I go AF again, it will very likely be with Canon or Nikon (probably Canon) because I feel that they have much better AF systems. The only thing that would tie me to the Pentax AF system would be the number and quality of lenses that I currently have for my MF system. If I can use them on a new Pentax AF body, that's a huge motivation to stay with Pentax when I go AF. If I can't, then all of a sudden Pentax doesn't have an advantage over the other AF systems, and I'll go with a system with better AF support (faster, quieter, more lenses, etc.). If Pentax's upper-end AF system is not as good as Canon/Nikon's, then they have to attract and keep customers by emphasizing other factors. For me, the excellent compatibility will play a part. True, I'll probably never buy an FA20-35 while I still have my M25-35, but at least I'll have bought a Pentax AF SLR, which helps them out a bit. If I go with C/N because Pentax doesn't always fare so well on a level playing ground when compatibility isn't an issue, then Pentax loses me as a customer altogether. I'd prefer to stay with Pentax glass because I love it, but I'm using MedF more these days when I want good quality, and my LX is becoming my p&s system. So yeah, one one hand it's pretty funny to see people who haven't bought a new item from Pentax in 20 years whining about how the new DSLR won't support their lenses. OTOH, now there's no motivation for them to choose Pentax over any other brand, as they'll have to rebuild a body/lens system from scratch anyhow. chris
Re: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses
- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 6:36 AM Subject: RE: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses > Not as fast as AE with auto exposure bracketing. > If you have the time, fine, but if you dont, > your outta luck 'scuse me, but I think this argument is basically deteriorating into a "your technique with a new camera isn't half as good as mine with an old camera I know well." Sure. JCO, if you don't want to buy a digicam, it's ok. enjoy. Jostein
Re: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses
"William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >From: "J. C. O'Connell" >> >> Many people have mentioned just using a hand held meter >> intead of TTL. That will work a lot of the time, but >> not with varible aperture zooms, and macro will also >> get tricky because of light loss at high mags. Ditto >> for filters and extension tubes and such... > >Two words: >Instant review. And a third word: Histogram. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses
Not to worry, Robert. Lots of people here whine about everything Pentax does. Bill > Pentax has produced a fantastic digital camera, and at $1500 ($1700 some places) US, is priced about right. I don't like all this whining on the list re non-A lenses. If you haven't bought a new lens since 1981, you are not keeping Pentax in business anyway. No other company has campatibility back to the mid-1980s like Pentax. And the *ist-D is very competitive with any Canon SLR right now. > > Robert James > USA > >
RE: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses
I've got the 30/2.8, 35/2, 40/2.8, 50/1.2, 85/2 and 100/2.8 along with various 50's for which I have F versions. The 35/2 hurts a bit because I bought that three months ago intending to use it as a normal. I've basically decided that the 35/2, 50/1.2 & 85/2 will be the "LX kit" while the 40 will live on one of the MXen. They will be "film" lenses and the F & FA glass will be "digital lenses". I may end up buying an FA35/2 or wait to see what other DA glass turns up. I want primes not zooms. Paul Ewins Melbourne, Australia
RE: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses
Not as fast as AE with auto exposure bracketing. If you have the time, fine, but if you dont, your outta luck J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses > > Many people have mentioned just using a hand held meter > intead of TTL. That will work a lot of the time, but > not with varible aperture zooms, and macro will also > get tricky because of light loss at high mags. Ditto > for filters and extension tubes and such... Two words: Instant review. William Robb
Re: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses Many people have mentioned just using a hand held meter intead of TTL. That will work a lot of the time, but not with varible aperture zooms, and macro will also get tricky because of light loss at high mags. Ditto for filters and extension tubes and such... Two words: Instant review. William Robb Or count the stops from wide open after using the meter button.
Re: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses
- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses > > Many people have mentioned just using a hand held meter > intead of TTL. That will work a lot of the time, but > not with varible aperture zooms, and macro will also > get tricky because of light loss at high mags. Ditto > for filters and extension tubes and such... Two words: Instant review. William Robb
RE: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses
The new glass, like the new cameras arent as good as the old ones in some ways. I prefer manual focus. They havent made any lenses with as good manual focus feel as the K/M since the K/M (20 years?). Dont blame me, blame Pentax. Secondly, if you had a dozen perfectly working nice K/M lenses how "happy" would you be that they cant do AE or TTL metering anymore for no good reason? They are basic "K" mount. To not support the most basic of K functions is absurd... Many people have mentioned just using a hand held meter intead of TTL. That will work a lot of the time, but not with varible aperture zooms, and macro will also get tricky because of light loss at high mags. Ditto for filters and extension tubes and such... JCO J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses On 9 Oct 2003 at 22:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Pentax has produced a fantastic digital camera, and at $1500 ($1700 some places) > US, is priced about right. I don't like all this whining on the list re non-A > lenses. If you haven't bought a new lens since 1981, you are not keeping Pentax > in business anyway. No other company has campatibility back to the mid-1980s > like Pentax. And the *ist-D is very competitive with any Canon SLR right now. So everyone whining hasn't spent good money on new Pentax glass recently? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses
- Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" Subject: Re: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses > > So everyone whining hasn't spent good money on new Pentax glass recently? Yer Aussie dollars are no good here, Toots! I bought a new lens a couple of years ago. First new one I bought since 1988 or so when I bought Pentax in the first place. You can't make it a black and white issue. William Robb
Re: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses
On 9 Oct 2003 at 22:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Pentax has produced a fantastic digital camera, and at $1500 ($1700 some places) > US, is priced about right. I don't like all this whining on the list re non-A > lenses. If you haven't bought a new lens since 1981, you are not keeping Pentax > in business anyway. No other company has campatibility back to the mid-1980s > like Pentax. And the *ist-D is very competitive with any Canon SLR right now. So everyone whining hasn't spent good money on new Pentax glass recently? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses
On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Pentax has produced a fantastic digital camera, and at $1500 ($1700 > some places) US, is priced about right. I don't like all this > whining on the list re non-A lenses. If you haven't bought a new > lens since 1981, you are not keeping Pentax in business anyway. You can buy lenses made since 1981 and still own older lenses and want to use them. My M lenses are the 40/2.8, 135/3.5, and 200/4. None are particularily expensive, but none of them get much use anyway (except the 40/2.8, and I probably wouldn't care too much about using that on the *ist D, the body is a little too big for such a tiny lens and the A 24/2.8 that I own is a more useful prime normal lens for this camera). The 135/3.5 and 200/4 are lenses that I rarely use -- rarely enough that I don't really want to replace them with FA or A equivelents but often enough that I'd like to use them with metering. I still bought the *ist D since I also own some nice A and FA lenses (A 24/2.8, A 50/1.4, FA 50/1.7, FA 28-70/4, Tamron 90/2.5 with an A adapter) and I look forward to buying the FAJ 16-45/4 when it comes out. I tend to prefer the A and M lenses because they have a better build quality and feel better to me than the FA lenses (excluding the limited lenses). There are a lot of wonderful M primes on the used market that would be nice to have the option of using on the *ist D. alex
Fantastic *ist-D and Lenses
I have been testing the fantastic *ist-D with a variety of lenses. So far, the Pentax 80-200/2.8 FA and Pentax 200/4 FA Macro have been stunning.beautiful. Tamron 24-135 not bad. Pentax 20-40/4 FA very good. Tamron 80-200/2.8 superb (adaptall pk-a mount works just fine). I believe the quality/resolution of the top Pentax & 3rd party lenses goes well beyond what a 6mb sensor can display, from my tests so far. I would like more people on the list to test the best Pentax and 3rd party lenses and give us feedback. Pentax has produced a fantastic digital camera, and at $1500 ($1700 some places) US, is priced about right. I don't like all this whining on the list re non-A lenses. If you haven't bought a new lens since 1981, you are not keeping Pentax in business anyway. No other company has campatibility back to the mid-1980s like Pentax. And the *ist-D is very competitive with any Canon SLR right now. Robert James USA
