RE: Any words of wisdom for slides to DSLR with bellows + slide attachment?

[Malcolm Smith]

Darren Addy wrote:
 
> We have a web project at work that involves digitizing some 35mm
> slides.
> I have an Epson Perfection V600 Photo which could do the job, but I
> decided to snag a Pentax Bellows II and slide attachment off of eBay
> and hope to do the job with my K-3.
> 
> By my calculations, the K-3 should give the equivalent of a 3840 dpi
> scan. I've got an off-camera flash attachment, for illumination so I'm
> hoping that once I get the bellows and lens combo set up correctly that
> I won't have to move anything... just feed the slides in and out.
> The old Bellows II is an m42 but I've seen people using them with
> modern K-mount DSLRs, so I'm assuming it is possible.
> 
> Those of you that have been down this road, any words of wisdom or
> "gotchas" to look out for? Or are there other advantages to using the
> scanner (like automatic dust removal, maybe?) that might convince me to
> feed the scanner instead of this setup?
> --
> Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh.

A subject I am all too involved with is scanning slides and trying to find
different ways to do so.

I've come to the conclusion that there are no shortcuts, and I also use an
Epson V600 which does an excellent job. It, as you know, only scans 4 slides
at a time and I believe the V850 does 12. That, in hindsight would have been
quicker, but I found the V600 at a super price.

I've also got a Nikon Coolscan IV, but the results aren't any better than
the V600, and it will take you as long to scan 1 slide.

What else? I've tried the tripod set up over a lightbox with a K3, and not
been over impressed. I've tried the bellows set with the slide attachment
and extension tubes and then you have light issues, or have difficulty
getting all of the frame of the slide in focus (but OK for parts of a slide
- like a pre-computer crop). I've had remote diffused flash guns set up
behind the slide to get the right light exposure - but it will drive you
nuts.

The only in camera way I've found works is to use a full frame camera; Nikon
do two lenses I think which are suitable a 58mm and (the one I've used) a
60mm macro with the ES-1 slide carrier attached. Better results, but there
are still focus and light issues to get consistent images you will be happy
with. You know where this is going

Use the scanner!

Malcolm


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Re: Any words of wisdom for slides to DSLR with bellows + slide attachment?

[Paul Stenquist]

I suspect the scanner will do a better job. My  Epson 850 makes gorgeous scans 
from 35 mm transparencies. Just printed a razor sharp and beautifully rendered 
18 x12 print from a 30 year old Kodachrome.

Paul via phone

> On Sep 10, 2015, at 7:33 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> I've scanned many, many slides over the years using all manner of different 
> setups. Each has its pluses and minuses. 
> 
> I worry about using older bellows units with DSLRs because of dust. Bellows 
> are great at capturing dust in their many nooks and crannies. 
> 
> One of the more successful copy setups I've used is a micro-fourthirds camera 
> fitted with ZD35mm macro lens and a Nikon ES-1 slide copying attachment. A 
> 35mm frame is captured at about 1:3 and you can let the AF work for each 
> frame, making for very crisp results. 
> 
> The same ES-1 fitted to a Micro-Nikkor 55mm mounted on Sony A7, Nikon D750, 
> or Leica M-P also nets excellent results, with more pixels. But you have to 
> manually focus, and carefully. 
> 
> A Spiratone Vario-Dupliscope does the same and allows you to do some 
> cropping. 
> 
> But by and large, I have done most of my slide capture with a Nikon Super 
> Coolscan 9000 which I set up to scan in batches of six at a time. It's the 
> slowest process that takes the most work, but returns the best quality and 
> consistency.  
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>> 
>> We have a web project at work that involves digitizing some 35mm slides.
>> I have an Epson Perfection V600 Photo which could do the job, but I
>> decided to snag a Pentax Bellows II and slide attachment off of eBay
>> and hope to do the job with my K-3.
>> 
>> By my calculations, the K-3 should give the equivalent of a 3840 dpi
>> scan. I've got an off-camera flash attachment, for illumination so I'm
>> hoping that once I get the bellows and lens combo set up correctly
>> that I won't have to move anything... just feed the slides in and out.
>> The old Bellows II is an m42 but I've seen people using them with
>> modern K-mount DSLRs, so I'm assuming it is possible.
>> 
>> Those of you that have been down this road, any words of wisdom or
>> "gotchas" to look out for? Or are there other advantages to using the
>> scanner (like automatic dust removal, maybe?) that might convince me
>> to feed the scanner instead of this setup?
>> -- 
>> Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh.
>> 
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Re: Any words of wisdom for slides to DSLR with bellows + slide attachment?

[Bob Sullivan]

Darren,
I never found the right lens combination to use with the bellows to
capture the whole slide.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> We have a web project at work that involves digitizing some 35mm slides.
> I have an Epson Perfection V600 Photo which could do the job, but I
> decided to snag a Pentax Bellows II and slide attachment off of eBay
> and hope to do the job with my K-3.
>
> By my calculations, the K-3 should give the equivalent of a 3840 dpi
> scan. I've got an off-camera flash attachment, for illumination so I'm
> hoping that once I get the bellows and lens combo set up correctly
> that I won't have to move anything... just feed the slides in and out.
> The old Bellows II is an m42 but I've seen people using them with
> modern K-mount DSLRs, so I'm assuming it is possible.
>
> Those of you that have been down this road, any words of wisdom or
> "gotchas" to look out for? Or are there other advantages to using the
> scanner (like automatic dust removal, maybe?) that might convince me
> to feed the scanner instead of this setup?
> --
> Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh.
>
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Re: Any words of wisdom for slides to DSLR with bellows + slide attachment?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I've scanned many, many slides over the years using all manner of different 
setups. Each has its pluses and minuses. 

I worry about using older bellows units with DSLRs because of dust. Bellows are 
great at capturing dust in their many nooks and crannies. 

One of the more successful copy setups I've used is a micro-fourthirds camera 
fitted with ZD35mm macro lens and a Nikon ES-1 slide copying attachment. A 35mm 
frame is captured at about 1:3 and you can let the AF work for each frame, 
making for very crisp results. 

The same ES-1 fitted to a Micro-Nikkor 55mm mounted on Sony A7, Nikon D750, or 
Leica M-P also nets excellent results, with more pixels. But you have to 
manually focus, and carefully. 

A Spiratone Vario-Dupliscope does the same and allows you to do some cropping. 

But by and large, I have done most of my slide capture with a Nikon Super 
Coolscan 9000 which I set up to scan in batches of six at a time. It's the 
slowest process that takes the most work, but returns the best quality and 
consistency.  

Godfrey


> On Sep 10, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> 
> We have a web project at work that involves digitizing some 35mm slides.
> I have an Epson Perfection V600 Photo which could do the job, but I
> decided to snag a Pentax Bellows II and slide attachment off of eBay
> and hope to do the job with my K-3.
> 
> By my calculations, the K-3 should give the equivalent of a 3840 dpi
> scan. I've got an off-camera flash attachment, for illumination so I'm
> hoping that once I get the bellows and lens combo set up correctly
> that I won't have to move anything... just feed the slides in and out.
> The old Bellows II is an m42 but I've seen people using them with
> modern K-mount DSLRs, so I'm assuming it is possible.
> 
> Those of you that have been down this road, any words of wisdom or
> "gotchas" to look out for? Or are there other advantages to using the
> scanner (like automatic dust removal, maybe?) that might convince me
> to feed the scanner instead of this setup?
> -- 
> Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh.
> 
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Re: Any words of wisdom for slides to DSLR with bellows + slide attachment?

[Mark C]

I used an old m42 screw mount bellows for several years with my 
snowflake photos. I was leery about putting the m42 to K adapter onto  
DSLR / SLR, just because removing the adapter can be fiddly. So I put 
the adapter on a 12mm extension tube and mounted the bellows on that, 
then mounted the tube onto the camera. No worries about quickly 
dismounting the bellows and using the camera.   I saw light falloff in 
the corners of the SLR's  I used this rig with (I was using that bellows 
set back when I was shooting snowflakes on 35mm film) but no light 
falloff on the APS C DSLR.


Personally I'd use the scanner - it would probably be slower but if  you 
can load up a set of slides and batch scan them then it may be less 
demanding on your time, even if slower. The only thing I'd worry about 
is if the DMax of the scanner is up for the slides - scanning slides can 
be a challenge.


Mark

On 9/10/2015 6:24 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

We have a web project at work that involves digitizing some 35mm slides.
I have an Epson Perfection V600 Photo which could do the job, but I
decided to snag a Pentax Bellows II and slide attachment off of eBay
and hope to do the job with my K-3.

By my calculations, the K-3 should give the equivalent of a 3840 dpi
scan. I've got an off-camera flash attachment, for illumination so I'm
hoping that once I get the bellows and lens combo set up correctly
that I won't have to move anything... just feed the slides in and out.
The old Bellows II is an m42 but I've seen people using them with
modern K-mount DSLRs, so I'm assuming it is possible.

Those of you that have been down this road, any words of wisdom or
"gotchas" to look out for? Or are there other advantages to using the
scanner (like automatic dust removal, maybe?) that might convince me
to feed the scanner instead of this setup?



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RE: Any words of wisdom for slides to DSLR with bellows + slide attachment?

[John Coyle]

Mark C. mentioned light fall off using a bellows setup, and I have had the same 
issues with a
similar arrangement.  I also found it very fiddly to establish focus, even 
using auto-focus, and it
was all too easy to knock the set up out of kilter when putting the slides in.  
The light source has
to be very even and of the right colour temperature to make the job as easy as 
possible, too.  
I started digitising 242 slides from the late '60's last year, using an Optek 
scanner, but found
there was significant unevenness in the light pattern, so switched to an Epson 
V500 to do the job.
That scanner handles 4 slides at a time, and you can set the resolution to a 
very high number if you
wish.  Probably for web images you don't need such high resolution, so the 
scanner will complete the
scan of each set more quickly than happened with mine, where I needed 2400dpi 
and dust removal as
well!

HTH


John in Brisbane



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Subject: Any words of wisdom for slides to DSLR with bellows + slide attachment?

We have a web project at work that involves digitizing some 35mm slides.
I have an Epson Perfection V600 Photo which could do the job, but I decided to 
snag a Pentax Bellows
II and slide attachment off of eBay and hope to do the job with my K-3.

By my calculations, the K-3 should give the equivalent of a 3840 dpi scan. I've 
got an off-camera
flash attachment, for illumination so I'm hoping that once I get the bellows 
and lens combo set up
correctly that I won't have to move anything... just feed the slides in and out.
The old Bellows II is an m42 but I've seen people using them with modern 
K-mount DSLRs, so I'm
assuming it is possible.

Those of you that have been down this road, any words of wisdom or "gotchas" to 
look out for? Or are
there other advantages to using the scanner (like automatic dust removal, 
maybe?) that might
convince me to feed the scanner instead of this setup?
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Re: Any words of wisdom for slides to DSLR with bellows + slide attachment?

[Rick Womer]

Depending on what quality you need and how many slides you have, the cheap way 
I used may work:

To make a digital slide show to run at my son's rehearsal dinner, I pulled 
slides from different times during his childhood, and had his fiancee's mother 
send me some of hers--maybe 60 or 70 slides in all. I set up my K-5 with 50mm 
macro lens on an inverted tripod, over my light box. I made a mask to shield 
everything but the image area of the slide. Centered it, focused using live 
view, and exposed. I got very usable DNG files that I touched up and converted 
to jpgs.

Rick

On Sep 10, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

> We have a web project at work that involves digitizing some 35mm slides.
> I have an Epson Perfection V600 Photo which could do the job, but I
> decided to snag a Pentax Bellows II and slide attachment off of eBay
> and hope to do the job with my K-3.
> 
> By my calculations, the K-3 should give the equivalent of a 3840 dpi
> scan. I've got an off-camera flash attachment, for illumination so I'm
> hoping that once I get the bellows and lens combo set up correctly
> that I won't have to move anything... just feed the slides in and out.
> The old Bellows II is an m42 but I've seen people using them with
> modern K-mount DSLRs, so I'm assuming it is possible.
> 
> Those of you that have been down this road, any words of wisdom or
> "gotchas" to look out for? Or are there other advantages to using the
> scanner (like automatic dust removal, maybe?) that might convince me
> to feed the scanner instead of this setup?
> -- 
> Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh.
> 
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