Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-19 Thread John Sessoms
From: "wendy beard

> On 10/18/07, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> > I'm sorry, but I just don't see it.
>> >
>> > I'm sure more than one person has taken photos of Belgian shepherds, and
>> > when you zoom into the image, the dog on the T-shirt has ears that look
>> > different from your "Tyra" image.
>> >
> 
> It is the same. I know it for a fact.
> I even know whose shop it is. Just have to locate his contact details.
> 
> Wendy
> 
> 

If you say so ... but what I see is:

Tyra T-shirt

  ^  ^  -  ^
/ \/ \/ \/ \
  o  o  o  o
   u u



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Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-19 Thread wendy beard
On 10/18/07, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > FYI
> > My photo
> > http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137
> >
> > His version
> > http://www.cafepress.com/belgians.114253288
> >
> > Damn cheek
> >
> > Wendy
>
> I'm sorry, but I just don't see it.
>
> I'm sure more than one person has taken photos of Belgian shepherds, and
> when you zoom into the image, the dog on the T-shirt has ears that look
> different from your "Tyra" image.
>

It is the same. I know it for a fact.
I even know whose shop it is. Just have to locate his contact details.

Wendy

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Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-18 Thread David Savage
Those are, IMO, most definitely the same image, The highlights &
pattern in the fur are frighteningly similar. You could buy one to
make certain.

If your sure that it is your sho,t I'd send the seller a polite email
asking them to remove it, as it's in violation of the cafepress
Content Usage Policy guidelines:

"Is it ok to use an image I found on the Internet?

Simply because an image is found on the Internet does not mean that it
is in the public domain or available for commercial use on
merchandise. You should assume that you cannot use the work unless the
author of the work has explicitly granted you a license to use the
work or it is in the public domain. Further, a person who posts an
image on the Internet and claims that you are free to use it may not
have had the right to post the image in the first place. Thus, your
use of the image may violate the rights of the actual copyright
owner."

.and

"I based my artwork on the artwork of a third party, is that ok?

It depends. Artwork derived from the previous work of another may
violate the rights of the owner of the previous work. If you are
creating a design that is based on the work of someone else, you may
need to obtain permission from the original creator prior to creating
your own work. You should consult with an attorney before using works
based on the work of another through the CafePress Service."

If that doesn't work alert Cafepress. And if that doesn't work,
release the hounds, so to speak.

Cheers,

Dave

On 10/19/07, wendy beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sort of related to Ann's cafepress thread - I went to her store to buy
> a calendar and surfed around a bit in some other stores.
> Came across one store where the "shopkeeper" had nicked one of my
> photos and fiddled around with it and added it to his inventory - with
> his signature on it!
>
> FYI
> My photo
> http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137
>
> His version
> http://www.cafepress.com/belgians.114253288
>
> Damn cheek
>
> Wendy

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Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-18 Thread P. J. Alling
It's hard to tell but it certainly looks like its the same. I'm not sure 
what your recourse is besides sending a cease and desist letter.

wendy beard wrote:
> Sort of related to Ann's cafepress thread - I went to her store to buy
> a calendar and surfed around a bit in some other stores.
> Came across one store where the "shopkeeper" had nicked one of my
> photos and fiddled around with it and added it to his inventory - with
> his signature on it!
>
> FYI
> My photo
> http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137
>
> His version
> http://www.cafepress.com/belgians.114253288
>
> Damn cheek
>
> Wendy
>
>   


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Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-18 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C"
Subject: Re: What? was Striving for adequate;was Cut or Keep? A Question 
About Editing



>
> I never imagined Bill would do something like that.  You just never can 
> tell
> who your friends are.

Har. Wrong breed.
Belgians are chew toys for real dogs


William Robb


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Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-18 Thread John Sessoms
From: "wendy beard"

> Sort of related to Ann's cafepress thread - I went to her store to buy
> a calendar and surfed around a bit in some other stores.
> Came across one store where the "shopkeeper" had nicked one of my
> photos and fiddled around with it and added it to his inventory - with
> his signature on it!
> 
> FYI
> My photo
> http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137
> 
> His version
> http://www.cafepress.com/belgians.114253288
> 
> Damn cheek
> 
> Wendy

I'm sorry, but I just don't see it.

I'm sure more than one person has taken photos of Belgian shepherds, and 
when you zoom into the image, the dog on the T-shirt has ears that look 
different from your "Tyra" image.

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Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-18 Thread Tom C
Filing a complaint already I hope.  Even though converted, the reflections 
in the eyes would seem to give it away.

I never imagined Bill would do something like that.  You just never can tell 
who your friends are.

Tom C.


>From: "wendy beard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Re: What? was Striving for adequate;was Cut or Keep? A Question 
>About Editing
>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:49:56 -0400
>
>Sort of related to Ann's cafepress thread - I went to her store to buy
>a calendar and surfed around a bit in some other stores.
>Came across one store where the "shopkeeper" had nicked one of my
>photos and fiddled around with it and added it to his inventory - with
>his signature on it!
>
>FYI
>My photo
>http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137
>
>His version
>http://www.cafepress.com/belgians.114253288
>
>Damn cheek
>
>Wendy
>
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Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-18 Thread wendy beard
Sort of related to Ann's cafepress thread - I went to her store to buy
a calendar and surfed around a bit in some other stores.
Came across one store where the "shopkeeper" had nicked one of my
photos and fiddled around with it and added it to his inventory - with
his signature on it!

FYI
My photo
http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137

His version
http://www.cafepress.com/belgians.114253288

Damn cheek

Wendy

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Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-18 Thread ann sanfedele
Tom C wrote:

>I recently, just today as a matter of fact found one of my photos here:
>
>http://bbs.anhuinews.com/thread-197952-1-1.html
>
>No idea what it means.
>
>Another one here:
>
>http://cocorofeel.exblog.jp/6558635/
>
>and one I can't find now of the same image above.
>
>My permission was not asked, my name was still on all three.  Bothers me, 
>but not enough to do anything.
>
>
>Tom C.
>

At least the credited you - that's a plus :)

ann

>
>
>  
>
>>From: ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>>Subject: Re: Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About 
>>Editing
>>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:01:25 -0400
>>
>>Malcolm Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>To digress slightly, I said before in another thread on people taking
>>>pictures and claiming (or at least implying the work was their own) one 
>>>  
>>>
>>of
>>
>>
>>>these people admitted he didn't have a camera and it was just as easy to
>>>take and use one from the web somewhere!
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>The worst case of this I encountered was a young photographer who bought
>>something from me
>>and gave me his card... I admired the photo on it and asked where he
>>took it... it was then he
>>told me it wasn't his!
>>
>>
>>
>>>For the last few months I have therefore purposely taken non-perfect
>>>pictures for this use;
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>I watermark all my photos to be used on ebay with 'annsan scan" and the
>>year .  But I so seldom
>>sell anything except unusual and used items, I'd be surprised if I was
>>pirated.
>>
>>
>>
>>>clear enough to see what is for sale but not good
>>>enough to steal for someone else to use. I presume if you intend to nick 
>>>  
>>>
>>one
>>
>>
>>>for your own use, you take a good one, as I've not had the problem since.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>I use the best photo I have the patience for :)
>>ann
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>
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RE: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-18 Thread Tom C
My sense is that they were being used as examples or to illustrate something 
regarding the Pentax brand.

It's far different than the guy that took my aurora photos, posted them on 
his sub-page of a mountaineering site and pretended as if he was the 
photographer, with the ficticious date and place.

That made me mad! :-)

Tom C.


>From: "Malcolm Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: RE: What? was  Striving for adequate;was Cut or Keep? A Question 
>About Editing
>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:14:26 +0100
>
>Tom C wrote:
>
> > My permission was not asked, my name was still on all three.
> > Bothers me, but not enough to do anything.
>
>Great pictures too, no doubt why they were grabbed.
>
>Ann said that she uses watermarks but when you are dealing with people with
>no cameras or those that think just taking an image that is on the internet
>is fair game, they will still (potentially) get used.
>
>I have to say Tom that I think your attitude to this situation is better
>than mine.
>
>Malcolm
>
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RE: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-18 Thread Malcolm Smith
Tom C wrote:

> My permission was not asked, my name was still on all three.  
> Bothers me, but not enough to do anything.

Great pictures too, no doubt why they were grabbed.

Ann said that she uses watermarks but when you are dealing with people with
no cameras or those that think just taking an image that is on the internet
is fair game, they will still (potentially) get used.

I have to say Tom that I think your attitude to this situation is better
than mine. 

Malcolm


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What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-18 Thread Tom C
I recently, just today as a matter of fact found one of my photos here:

http://bbs.anhuinews.com/thread-197952-1-1.html

No idea what it means.

Another one here:

http://cocorofeel.exblog.jp/6558635/

and one I can't find now of the same image above.

My permission was not asked, my name was still on all three.  Bothers me, 
but not enough to do anything.


Tom C.


>From: ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>Subject: Re: Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About 
>Editing
>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:01:25 -0400
>
>Malcolm Smith wrote:
>
> >
> >To digress slightly, I said before in another thread on people taking
> >pictures and claiming (or at least implying the work was their own) one 
>of
> >these people admitted he didn't have a camera and it was just as easy to
> >take and use one from the web somewhere!
> >
>The worst case of this I encountered was a young photographer who bought
>something from me
>and gave me his card... I admired the photo on it and asked where he
>took it... it was then he
>told me it wasn't his!
>
> >For the last few months I have therefore purposely taken non-perfect
> >pictures for this use;
> >
>I watermark all my photos to be used on ebay with 'annsan scan" and the
>year .  But I so seldom
>sell anything except unusual and used items, I'd be surprised if I was
>pirated.
>
> > clear enough to see what is for sale but not good
> >enough to steal for someone else to use. I presume if you intend to nick 
>one
> >for your own use, you take a good one, as I've not had the problem since.
> >
>I use the best photo I have the patience for :)
>ann
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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