Re: MZ-S: a couple of tips
I've been away for a few days, so just catching up on my PDML news/views. Actually the pre-flash is there even if you do not use the AF360 remotely because it fires a control flash to measure the flash with the multi-zone meter system (P-TTL) and that is what I believe one sees through the viewfinder. Of course if using the flash remotely, then there are a further series of control flashes so the camera and flash communicate info to each other. All appearing as one contiguous flash with no apparent shutter delay. Cheers, Mike. Rob Studdert wrote: On 3 Jan 2002 at 2:41, Pat White wrote: Now here's something I'm curious about: I can always see the flash in the viewfinder, although that's supposed to be impossible. It's more noticeable with the big flash, and when I first got it last summer, I worried that the the sync was off, but the pictures look fine. I don't see an image, but a red flash in the finder. Could there be light spilling around the mirror? Back to you. Hi Pat, As Michael indicated in his post earlier it seems that you are actually seeing the pre-flash containing the data transmission to the remote flashes happening before the actual flash for the exposure. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: a couple of tips
The hotshoe cover and eyepiece blind can also fit in the two little pouches that come with the neck strap. I always place them in there because I am very forgetful and am always misplacing small objects. Gabe - Original Message - From: Pat White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:05 AM Subject: MZ-S: a couple of tips Recently, someone complained that it was inconvenient to set the mirror pre-lock on the MZ-S. Unless you use the self-timer frequently, you can select the pre-lock and forget it. If you have the BG-10 grip, you can use the IR remote, which is far more convenient anyway, and it only costs $25 Cdn. The remote 'e' is so small it fits in the pocket on the MZ series neckstrap (the hotshoe cover and eyepiece blind can both fit in the other pocket). This also means you don't need to buy and carry an electronic cable release, as the remote is actually handier. Pop Photo thought the hold switch was useless, but it could be very handy when handing the camera to someone to take a picture of, for example, you and a friend. When doing this, you should make sure that AF Single is selected, as a helpful bystander won't notice whether you and your friend are in focus or not (if AF-C is selected), and your one-time special shot could be way out of focus (happened to me). Hope this isn't too obvious, but it might help someone. Also, last month, while using studio flash cordlessly (using the MZ-S's built-in flash to trigger the studio flash), I picked up the stereo remote to turn down the music and found it triggered the studio flash (Yamaha stereo, Bowens flash w/Bowens IR trigger). Could be handy for cordless light readings. Pat White - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S: a couple of tips
Hi, Rob! The studio flash was triggered by the MZ-S's built-in flash. The IR trigger on the Bowens unit is really sensitive, and any flash will trip it,as well as stereo remotes. I've started to test lighting and poses with my old Polaroid Spectra camera, as its built-in flash will also trigger the studio flash. Polaroids with studio lighting are a pleasant surprise. They're quite nice. To minimize the influence of the MZ-S's built-in flash on the photo, I set PF10 to 2 (sets the built-in flash as a wireless flash controller), but the difference seems minor (your mileage may vary). For the same reason, when using the Polaroid, I set the brightness switch to dark. The built-in flash on my MZ-5n also allows cordless studio flash, a nice change after occasionally pulling over light stands when backing up with a long lens, as the F5P(L) TTL cord (used with a Metz 40MZ-3) isn't long enough. Now here's something I'm curious about: I can always see the flash in the viewfinder, although that's supposed to be impossible. It's more noticeable with the big flash, and when I first got it last summer, I worried that the the sync was off, but the pictures look fine. I don't see an image, but a red flash in the finder. Could there be light spilling around the mirror? Back to you. Pat White - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S: a couple of tips
On 3 Jan 2002 at 2:41, Pat White wrote: Now here's something I'm curious about: I can always see the flash in the viewfinder, although that's supposed to be impossible. It's more noticeable with the big flash, and when I first got it last summer, I worried that the the sync was off, but the pictures look fine. I don't see an image, but a red flash in the finder. Could there be light spilling around the mirror? Back to you. Hi Pat, As Michael indicated in his post earlier it seems that you are actually seeing the pre-flash containing the data transmission to the remote flashes happening before the actual flash for the exposure. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: MZ-S: a couple of tips
Bruce Dayton wondered: I have 3 AF360FGZ's. I can place one or more behind the camera body and they still fire without being about to *see* the popup flash. I have read that section many times, but am not sure to it's explanation. I'll do some more experimenting and report back. Try it in a room draped in black velvet and see if that makes it fail. :-) I know that with a normal optical slave, it doesn't take much reflection to get the slave to trigger off a non-line-of-site on-camera flash. Figure with all that information being sent back and forth, the situation described sounds a lot more finicky, but I could see it working... -- Glenn - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S: a couple of tips
Actually, I first noticed this with the MZ-5n, which doesn't do a pre-flash, as far as I know, and I was using a PC cable with a Pentax hot shoe/PC adapter. It seems like I can see it with or without the built-in flash activated. Pat White - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
MZ-S: a couple of tips
Recently, someone complained that it was inconvenient to set the mirror pre-lock on the MZ-S. Unless you use the self-timer frequently, you can select the pre-lock and forget it. If you have the BG-10 grip, you can use the IR remote, which is far more convenient anyway, and it only costs $25 Cdn. The remote 'e' is so small it fits in the pocket on the MZ series neckstrap (the hotshoe cover and eyepiece blind can both fit in the other pocket). This also means you don't need to buy and carry an electronic cable release, as the remote is actually handier. Pop Photo thought the hold switch was useless, but it could be very handy when handing the camera to someone to take a picture of, for example, you and a friend. When doing this, you should make sure that AF Single is selected, as a helpful bystander won't notice whether you and your friend are in focus or not (if AF-C is selected), and your one-time special shot could be way out of focus (happened to me). Hope this isn't too obvious, but it might help someone. Also, last month, while using studio flash cordlessly (using the MZ-S's built-in flash to trigger the studio flash), I picked up the stereo remote to turn down the music and found it triggered the studio flash (Yamaha stereo, Bowens flash w/Bowens IR trigger). Could be handy for cordless light readings. Pat White - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S: a couple of tips
On 2 Jan 2002 at 7:05, Pat White wrote: Also, last month, while using studio flash cordlessly (using the MZ-S's built-in flash to trigger the studio flash), I picked up the stereo remote to turn down the music and found it triggered the studio flash (Yamaha stereo, Bowens flash w/Bowens IR trigger). Could be handy for cordless light readings. Hi Pat, I haven't begun to delve into the wireless flash area as yet but after reading your paragraph above I have a question. Is the IR flash trigger a generated by the MZ-S body? Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: MZ-S: a couple of tips
Rob, I've been playing with it some and it is *not* an I/R trigger. It is a radio wave of some type. The flashes do not have to be line of sight of the body and yes the MZ-S body generates it. Bruce Dayton Wednesday, January 02, 2002, 2:13:38 PM, you wrote: RS On 2 Jan 2002 at 7:05, Pat White wrote: Also, last month, while using studio flash cordlessly (using the MZ-S's built-in flash to trigger the studio flash), I picked up the stereo remote to turn down the music and found it triggered the studio flash (Yamaha stereo, Bowens flash w/Bowens IR trigger). Could be handy for cordless light readings. RS Hi Pat, RS I haven't begun to delve into the wireless flash area as yet but after reading RS your paragraph above I have a question. Is the IR flash trigger a generated by RS the MZ-S body? RS Cheers, RS Rob Studdert RS HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA RS Tel +61-2-9554-4110 RS UTC(GMT) +10 Hours RS [EMAIL PROTECTED] RS http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html RS - RS This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, RS go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to RS visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S: a couple of tips
Rob Studdert wrote: I haven't begun to delve into the wireless flash area as yet but after reading your paragraph above I have a question. Is the IR flash trigger a generated by the MZ-S body? Actually it's neither IR nor a radio signal that communicates between the MZ-S body and the remote AF360 flash. It is the built-in flash that communicates this. The following directly from the manual; page 37. The following transfer of information is done with the built-in flash when the AF360FGZ is used wirelessly before emitting the flash. 1) Shutter button is pressed 2) The built-in flash emits a small control flash (relays the flash mode of the camera) 3) External flash emits a small control flash (relays conformation of subject) 4) The built-in flash emits a small control flash (relays flash amount to external flash) *The built-in flash will emit a small control flash one more time after this to relay the flash time when HS (High-speed sync) is set. 5) External flash and built-in flash emit main flash You can also have the built in flash not fire as part of the main flash as one of the PF choices. And, I might mention, all this happens so fast is appears to be only one flash. Even when the AF360FGZ is mounted in the hot shoe, there is a pre-flash that uses the TTL multi-point exposure meter to make a reading and that is why the flash exposure is so good. However, as I have said before, you can actually see the flash in your viewfinder, which normally is not the case as the mirror is up during exposure and the main flash. And my only criticism is that people who are prone to blink at a flash, do so during the pre-flashes and the main flash/exposure catches them with their eyes closed. Cheers, Mike. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: MZ-S: a couple of tips
Michael, I have 3 AF360FGZ's. I can place one or more behind the camera body and they still fire without being about to *see* the popup flash. I have read that section many times, but am not sure to it's explanation. I'll do some more experimenting and report back. Bruce Dayton Wednesday, January 02, 2002, 5:09:03 PM, you wrote: MP Rob Studdert wrote: I haven't begun to delve into the wireless flash area as yet but after reading your paragraph above I have a question. Is the IR flash trigger a generated by the MZ-S body? MP Actually it's neither IR nor a radio signal that communicates between MP the MZ-S body and the remote AF360 flash. It is the built-in flash that MP communicates this. The following directly from the manual; page 37. MP The following transfer of information is done with the built-in flash MP when the AF360FGZ is used wirelessly before emitting the flash. MP 1) Shutter button is pressed MP 2) The built-in flash emits a small control flash (relays the flash mode MP of the camera) MP 3) External flash emits a small control flash (relays conformation of MP subject) MP 4) The built-in flash emits a small control flash (relays flash amount MP to external flash) MP *The built-in flash will emit a small control flash one more time MP after this to relay the flash time when HS (High-speed sync) is set. MP 5) External flash and built-in flash emit main flash MP You can also have the built in flash not fire as part of the main flash MP as one of the PF choices. And, I might mention, all this happens so MP fast is appears to be only one flash. Even when the AF360FGZ is mounted MP in the hot shoe, there is a pre-flash that uses the TTL multi-point MP exposure meter to make a reading and that is why the flash exposure is MP so good. However, as I have said before, you can actually see the flash MP in your viewfinder, which normally is not the case as the mirror is up MP during exposure and the main flash. And my only criticism is that MP people who are prone to blink at a flash, do so during the pre-flashes MP and the main flash/exposure catches them with their eyes closed. MP Cheers, Mike. MP - MP This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, MP go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to MP visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S: a couple of tips
On 2 Jan 2002 at 17:09, Michael Perham wrote: Actually it's neither IR nor a radio signal that communicates between the MZ-S body and the remote AF360 flash. It is the built-in flash that communicates this. The following directly from the manual; page 37. Wow, thanks, maybe it's time I got a manual. On 2 Jan 2002 at 17:37, Bruce Dayton wrote: I have 3 AF360FGZ's. I can place one or more behind the camera body and they still fire without being about to *see* the popup flash. I have read that section many times, but am not sure to it's explanation. I'll do some more experimenting and report back. Hi Bruce, I don't know if you have ever used one of those Wein slave triggers but those things are so sensitive they can practically be in another room and with just a little light leak form the main flash trigger the remote. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
