RE: [PHP] Re: Automatic user login under NT
At 01:39 PM 6/12/02 , Barajas, Arturo wrote: > > From: Lazor, Ed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Hi, Ed. > > > and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one he's helped. That > > garners even more respect - IMHO. > >I'm new on the list, so I really don't know Rasmus, or what he does. As >far as I've read messages, he seems to be really appreciated and >respected, one way or another. You can check out this bit from the PHP archives, written by Rasmus: http://www.php.net/manual/phpfi2.php#history and take a look through the credits http://www.php.net/credits.php and count how many times his name appears. In short, PHP sprang from his brain. Now, it springs from many brains. -steve ++ | Steve Edberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Database/Programming/SysAdmin(530)754-9127 | | University of California, Davis http://pgfsun.ucdavis.edu/ | +-- Gort, Klaatu barada nikto! --+
RE: [PHP] Re: Automatic user login under NT
> From: Lazor, Ed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Hi, Ed. > and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one he's helped. That > garners even more respect - IMHO. I'm new on the list, so I really don't know Rasmus, or what he does. As far as I've read messages, he seems to be really appreciated and respected, one way or another. > I think this last point shows that this a battle between > ASP and PHP - not necessarily an OS / platform war. More > books, support, programming tools (libraries, editors, > etc.) and jobs based around the PHP programming language > would help tremendously. Have to agree with that. Though I've seen lots of books and all that stuff spring from -almost- nowhere. > >To write PHP extensions on Windows I think Visual C++ is more > >appropriate. > Does gcc (or some other free C programming language) for > Windows exist? Not exactly. You can install cygwin under NT/2K and have a shell and a host of other utilities (even bash!) that make your winbox almost cross-platform (at least for development, I think). -- Un gran saludo/Big regards... Arturo Barajas Sistemas PPG SJR +52 (427) 271-9100, ext. 448 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: Automatic user login under NT
>Sure, never mind about Rasmus descrimination towards Windows users. >Rasmus always has been bitter with users asking for support, especially >if they want to run PHP under Windows. Although it seems counter-productive, I can certainly respect Rasmus having his own opinion. He has provided quick and helpful responses to many of my questions, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one he's helped. That garners even more respect - IMHO. >PHP developers should be thankful of its support under Windows >because that allowed to keep jobs still working on PHP, ie eventually >not having to move to other languages. I think this last point shows that this a battle between ASP and PHP - not necessarily an OS / platform war. More books, support, programming tools (libraries, editors, etc.) and jobs based around the PHP programming language would help tremendously. >To write PHP extensions on Windows I think Visual C++ is more >appropriate. Does gcc (or some other free C programming language) for Windows exist? -Ed This message is intended for the sole use of the individual and entity to whom it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended addressee, nor authorized to receive for the intended addressee, you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose or distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete the message. Thank you very much. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Automatic user login under NT
Hello, On 06/12/2002 02:48 PM, Arturo Barajas wrote: >>I don't agree and even think that it is a stupid thing to say because >>open source is not about excluding Windows users even if >>there are much less open source developers with Windows knowledge >>there is no point in making Windows users feel bad about it. > > > Sometimes you have to deal with it. At home I use Linux, but at the office it's Windows, and there's nothing we can do to change it. I thought open source wasn't about a given OS, but rather a philosophy (?). I can develop for Windows (or BeOS or MacOS or whatever) and what I do can be still open source, isn't it? > > OTOH, how can I (or anyone for that matter) change the mentality of a "corporate user" about open source tools with that other "mentality"? "Being second class?" My God. > > I don't want a flamewar, anyway, but I think it's not the most clever way to establish the open source movement, IMHO. Sure, never mind about Rasmus descrimination towards Windows users. Rasmus always has been bitter with users asking for support, especially if they want to run PHP under Windows. Rasmus opinion is just Rasmus opinion and by all means does not represent what the PHP and the Open Source community in general thinks. PHP should stay away from the OS wars especially because a great part of PHP is due to its acceptance in the Windows world. This may come to you as a surprise, but according to partial results of a poll that I am carrying, more than 52% of the PHP developers use Windows in production environments. So it is absolutely stupid that much users are "second class citizens". The truth is that after the blowup of the Internet bubble, many PHP developers had to turn to corporations that are still well dominated by Windows. PHP developers should be thankful of its support under Windows because that allowed to keep jobs still working on PHP, ie eventually not having to move to other languages. Anyway, what Rasmus meant is that there are much less open source Windows developers which is a fact. That doesn't mean that being less you won't get any support from them. Rasmus just seems to love to make Windows users suffer for using such platform, even though many of them had to put up with it because they had no choice. Just ignore him. >>Anyway, personally I don't use Windows nor have a project >>that motivate me to add support to NTLM authentication in >>PHP, but if you or anybody has interest in doing it and >>know enough C, I can tell you how to write a PHP extension >>to support that. Just let me know if you are interested. > > > Of course I am :^). What compiler do I need? gcc on cygwin or something? I'll have to dust my old C notebooks :^). To write PHP extensions on Windows I think Visual C++ is more appropriate. You may find documentation to write extensions here: http://www.php.net/manual/en/zend.php Keep in mind that NTLM authentication can be added in such way that you can authenticate on Windows domain controller despite your Web server may be running on Linux or some other Unix platform. As for the authentication itself, I just paste here what you need to know so you can start working on this. Basically you need to know that there are two parts to be addressed: HTTP NTLM autentication dialog and NTLM logon in Windows domain controller to verify if the credentials are correct. The second part is easier because there is already C code to implement it that you can borrow from Apache NTLM authetication module that uses the client libraries of the Samba project. http://modntlm.sourceforge.net/ This module is meant to run under Unix, but since it is just client code, I think it could be made to run under Windows. As for the HTTP NTLM authetication dialog itself that this Apache module also does, it is more complicated because unlike Basic authetication it is multi-step. In this page you may find some explanation about the protocolo of challenge and response messages that are exchanged between the client and the server: http://www.innovation.ch/java/ntlm.html Other than this there is the issue of authentication credentials caching. Since you need 3 accesses to the server to go, caching authetication credentials would avoid further authentication accesses to the domain controller. This is trickier, so it could be left for an optimization phase. -- Regards, Manuel Lemos -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: Automatic user login under NT
> From: Manuel Lemos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Hi, Manuel. > I don't agree and even think that it is a stupid thing to say because > open source is not about excluding Windows users even if > there are much less open source developers with Windows knowledge > there is no point in making Windows users feel bad about it. Sometimes you have to deal with it. At home I use Linux, but at the office it's Windows, and there's nothing we can do to change it. I thought open source wasn't about a given OS, but rather a philosophy (?). I can develop for Windows (or BeOS or MacOS or whatever) and what I do can be still open source, isn't it? OTOH, how can I (or anyone for that matter) change the mentality of a "corporate user" about open source tools with that other "mentality"? "Being second class?" My God. I don't want a flamewar, anyway, but I think it's not the most clever way to establish the open source movement, IMHO. > Anyway, personally I don't use Windows nor have a project > that motivate me to add support to NTLM authentication in > PHP, but if you or anybody has interest in doing it and > know enough C, I can tell you how to write a PHP extension > to support that. Just let me know if you are interested. Of course I am :^). What compiler do I need? gcc on cygwin or something? I'll have to dust my old C notebooks :^). > -- > Regards, > Manuel Lemos -- Un gran saludo/Big regards... Arturo Barajas Sistemas PPG SJR +52 (427) 271-9100, ext. 448 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Automatic user login under NT
Hello,
On 06/12/2002 01:43 PM, Arturo Barajas wrote:
> Greetings, everyone.
>
> I'm new on the list (not so on PHP).
>
> I'm stuck with a little problem, I'm trying to implement some PHP pages at work,
>where ASP is used. The platform is NT 4.0 SP6, with PHP 4.2.1.
>
> My problem is that with ASP I can have something like
>Request.ServerVariables("LOGON_USER"). I've tried using $_SERVER["LOGON_USER"] but to
>no avail. Curiously, Request.ServerVariables("REMOTE_ADDR") and
>$_SERVER["REMOTE_ADDR"] work like a charm.
>
> How can I obtain the login the user entered when logged to his/her machine?
PHP does not support NTLM authentication. ASP does it, Java does it,
Perl does it, Python does it, but PHP don't . I don't know if and when
it ever will because according to Rasmus Lerdorf, Windows PHP users "are
second-class citizen when it comes to support from the open source
community".
http://news.php.net/article.php?group=php.qa&article=5414
I don't agree and even think that it is a stupid thing to say because
open source is not about excluding Windows users even if there are much
less open source developers with Windows knowledge there is no point in
making Windows users feel bad about it.
Anyway, personally I don't use Windows nor have a project that motivate
me to add support to NTLM authentication in PHP, but if you or anybody
has interest in doing it and know enough C, I can tell you how to write
a PHP extension to support that. Just let me know if you are interested.
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Regards,
Manuel Lemos
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