FW: [pinhole-discussion] the Pinhole Polls are open...
Here's my two cents on the date issue: I love the energy and enthusiasm that everyone is showing about this. I think we should plunge in and see what happens with a Spring 2001 date. Though I think it's great to get the word out to as many people as possible, it would also be great to see what is generated just from the folks on this list alone. This is slightly off-topic, but I think the point is relevant. I once read an article arguing that non-profit comunity service organizations should only get public funding for the first 5 years. The idea was that these organizations are started by a group of people who see a need and have the idealism and energy to try to fill that need. Everyone pitches in wherever needed, it's chaos, and somehow, amazing feats are accomplished. Once organizations have been around for 5 years, everyone starts to fill a certain job descriptions and not want to step out of them, and some on the great manic energy is lost (or exchanged for stability, which is also important). While I ultimately stongly disagreed with the thesis of the article, I think the point about the joy of something new and fly-by-the-seat-of-it's-pants is well taken. It would be GREAT if this pinhole day grew into something well-established, well-publicized and efficient. But for this first year, maybe we should just dive in and see what happens out of the mania. I totally understand Jean's points (and those of others who have argued to put this off a bit), and will be happy with whatever day is chosen. But those are my thoughts, for your consideration. Jessica -Original Message- From: Jean Daubas To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: 3/2/01 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] the Pinhole Polls are open... Hi all, Considering the date for the first edition of the future Pinhole Day, which is one of the issues which we have to vote for and which is the most discussed issue about Pinhole Polls until now, I would like, if you allow me, to add short comments. It has been not even 3 weeks now since the idea of creating a Pinhole Day has been generated by Valentines' Day. Such an idea, if we want to make it into a successful event, needs a minimum of coordination, information spreading, technical preparation. Even if we do not have oversized ambitions (and don't worry, we definitely have not!), we discover everyday that the list of tasks to do is increasing in number, needs for help and volunteers and that it will take a lot of energy to have all the issues well mastered. And of course, not everything is depending on the work of the members of the organizing team. It depends also on help of the members of the list (= you!) and on the reactivity of the external actors that we have to work with if we want to succeed. Do not forget that one of the main features of the event is to have a "world-wide" dimension; even if we know that we shall not have participations from all parts of the world, we want to really place this event on an international basis. That alone requires distributing spreading tasks (translations, sending info to "target" organizations, contacts with local media, etc.) between volunteers and coordinating the coherence of these tasks... Publications of Press Release in various media supports must be synchronized with each publication or magazine editorial rhythm (often more than 5 weeks for monthly mags...). Without taking care of these constraints, we shall not be able to reach our goals : -have a large number of pinholers everywhere on Earth creating pinhole pictures on the same day and loading them on the official Pinhole Day site -display on a quality site all the pictures made on pinhole Day so that a very large number of visitors can discover and/or appreciate the Pinhole Day exhibit. It is why, taking in consideration all these elements , my preferences go to a distant date : 1st Sunday in June. Of course I may be wrong but I truly fear that choosing a closer date (April) does not allow to work in appropriate conditions and that it leads to a very unsatisfactory result. On the opposite side, I would rather not wait for the fall (being admitted that Summer months are not a good choice for reasons already discussed here) because I think It is too far and there is a risk that our enthusiasm will have difficulties to maintain at the top level we know at the present day! June seems realistic to me, even if we have still a lot of tasks to execute! In the Pinhole Polls at http://www.p at ???/discussion/polls.php (closing date : Sunday 24:00 GMT), you will notice that there are 2 equivalent choices offered : Sunday June 3rd and First Sunday of June(that is June 3rd in 2001). First Sunday of June could become a regular basis for next years Pinhole Days. If you have not yet expressed your vote, I wish these comments will help you to build up your choice. In all cases, it is a democratic mode of taking decisions and I shall respect the will of the majority which
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I agree with the title World Pinhole Day and the date of the last Sunday in April. It will be warm enough in the Northern Hemisphere and hopefully not too cold yet for our brothers and sisters in the Southern Hemisphere. John McAdam
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- Original Message - From: "Mike Vande Bunt" To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] the Pinhole Polls are open... Hi all pinholers on the list ! Please allow me to recommend to all of you who have not yet expressed themselves about the future world wide pinhole day (temporary name) to do it as soon as possible. You have subscribed to the pinhole discussion list ! that means that by a way or another, you are related to pinhole photography ! Maybe since yesterday, maybe you began playing with tiny holes 60 years ago! You like to create pinhole pictures and/or you like to look at other pinholers' pictures. You believe in the "perfect" pinhole size calculated with maths formulas or you just drill a hole in whatever old box stands in front of you. You ... or you... I don't mind. All I know is that we share our discoveries, our admirations, our questions, our pleasures, our humour, our "special" visions of the world on this list ! We are lucky for that. It is why plenty of us have thought that it would be a good idea to share our luck with the "rest of the world" while acting all together in a kind of giant worldwide game... That was the World Pinhole Day act of birth less than 3 weeks ago... Since then, some of us have tried to organize a little the things to help transform a generous idea into an international event while never forgetting that our only goal is to share the pleasure of pinhole photography and to promote this not-so-well known practice of photography. As we need to know your opinions about some major choices (name, date, etc.) Pinhole polls have been open... We could expect that nearly everybody on the list would vote because we are ALL concerned by promoting and developing Pinhole photography... Many have voted but not everyone! Please vote now and participate in the soon to come 1st World Pinhole day ! It is not a great effort to make and it will certainly bring to yourself and the whole pinholers' community plenty, plenty of satisfactions, discoveries and fun... Gregg Kemp announced that the PINHOLE POLLS will be CLOSED on SUNDAY, 24:00 GMT. Do not wait too late for giving us your vote ! We need everybody's vote to support our (= your) challenging new project ! "Rendez-vous" at http://www.p at ???/discussion/polls.php Merci à tous ! Thanks to all ! ...and happy pinholing Jean P.S. : Apologies for my bad English writing; all that is important is the "content" : sharing with each of you my pinhole passion! Jean Daubas, auteur-photographe Rue de Bourg-Sec25440 LIESLEFrance jean.dau...@freesbee.fr
Re: [pinhole-discussion] the Pinhole Polls are open...
Hi all, Considering the date for the first edition of the future Pinhole Day, which is one of the issues which we have to vote for and which is the most discussed issue about Pinhole Polls until now, I would like, if you allow me, to add short comments. It has been not even 3 weeks now since the idea of creating a Pinhole Day has been generated by Valentines' Day. Such an idea, if we want to make it into a successful event, needs a minimum of coordination, information spreading, technical preparation. Even if we do not have oversized ambitions (and don't worry, we definitely have not!), we discover everyday that the list of tasks to do is increasing in number, needs for help and volunteers and that it will take a lot of energy to have all the issues well mastered. And of course, not everything is depending on the work of the members of the organizing team. It depends also on help of the members of the list (= you!) and on the reactivity of the external actors that we have to work with if we want to succeed. Do not forget that one of the main features of the event is to have a "world-wide" dimension; even if we know that we shall not have participations from all parts of the world, we want to really place this event on an international basis. That alone requires distributing spreading tasks (translations, sending info to "target" organizations, contacts with local media, etc.) between volunteers and coordinating the coherence of these tasks... Publications of Press Release in various media supports must be synchronized with each publication or magazine editorial rhythm (often more than 5 weeks for monthly mags...). Without taking care of these constraints, we shall not be able to reach our goals : -have a large number of pinholers everywhere on Earth creating pinhole pictures on the same day and loading them on the official Pinhole Day site -display on a quality site all the pictures made on pinhole Day so that a very large number of visitors can discover and/or appreciate the Pinhole Day exhibit. It is why, taking in consideration all these elements , my preferences go to a distant date : 1st Sunday in June. Of course I may be wrong but I truly fear that choosing a closer date (April) does not allow to work in appropriate conditions and that it leads to a very unsatisfactory result. On the opposite side, I would rather not wait for the fall (being admitted that Summer months are not a good choice for reasons already discussed here) because I think It is too far and there is a risk that our enthusiasm will have difficulties to maintain at the top level we know at the present day! June seems realistic to me, even if we have still a lot of tasks to execute! In the Pinhole Polls at http://www.p at ???/discussion/polls.php (closing date : Sunday 24:00 GMT), you will notice that there are 2 equivalent choices offered : Sunday June 3rd and First Sunday of June(that is June 3rd in 2001). First Sunday of June could become a regular basis for next years Pinhole Days. If you have not yet expressed your vote, I wish these comments will help you to build up your choice. In all cases, it is a democratic mode of taking decisions and I shall respect the will of the majority which will express, my only concern being to contribute creating a true moment of pleasure for the largest number of persons (photo submitters + web-site visitors) Thanks for your patience reading my bad English Happy pinholing ! Jean Jean Daubas, auteur-photographe Rue de Bourg-Sec25440 LIESLEFrance jean.dau...@freesbee.fr - Original Message - From: "Mike Vande Bunt" To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] the Pinhole Polls are open... > The other reason to avoid "summer" is that summer does not > happen at the same time in both hemispheres... > > Mike Vande Bunt > >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] black and white printer
I use an Epson 760 for my quadtone printing with MIS quadtone ink and a continuous ink system from nomorecarts.com. The Epson 760 is the 8 1/2 x 11 version of the 1160. They are being discontinued so can be found quite cheaply, as can the 1160. Note that the 760 and 1160 do not use the new "chip" cartridge, so a wide choice of 3rd party inks are available. The Cone piezography system also works with the 760, but as Gregg says is pricey. If you have questions, you can contact me offlist, since this isn't really pinhole! It's a great system. Tina From: Gregg Kemp Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] black and white printer Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 09:40:12 -0500 At 08:06 AM 3/2/01 -0600, you wrote: Thanks. Can you suggest a printer which uses the quadtone inks? I've looked at Cone's website and looked at the info on his inks. I've been following the Epson inkjet list for a couple of years and the 1160 model seems to be most highly recommended for image quality, and works with Cone's Piezography stuff. New printers are coming out soon (as always). - Gregg _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.p at ??? ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/ _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
[pinhole-discussion] Press Release review
Many thanks to those of you who've taken the time to review the press release and send corrections and suggestions. We have moved the working copy to http://www.p at ???/WPD/org/pr.html. So please check up on us, make sure we applied the mods properly. Please email Diana Bloomfield (now in charge of the press release and other online docs) or me off list if you have more suggestions. Thanks, Pam -- Pamela G. Niedermayer Pinehill Softworks Inc. 600 W. 28th St., Suite 103 Austin, TX 78705 512-236-1677 http://www.pinehill.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] OFF topic / Help
Thanks Andy, Actually I think I'll take the ZP, handheld possibility :) Joao Andy Schmitt wrote: > Taking your PH's Hope so > have a great trip > andy > > -Original Message- > From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? > [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Joao Ribeiro > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 9:04 AM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] OFF topic / Help > > Hi folks, > > Sorry for this off topic email. > I am going to Miami to photograph 2 apartments > > Joao > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] black and white printer
Thanks. Can you suggest a printer which uses the quadtone inks? I've looked at Cone's website and looked at the info on his inks. The Epson 1160 seems to be the large format affordable printer of choice for quadtone inks. I got a refurbished one for $154 + $37 shipping from ubid.com. They have them listed all the time; if you are patient, you may find one for $135-145. I am setting it up for color bulk archival inks (Generations from MediaStreet). I bought an 860 printer (small format, otherwise like the 1160) for $129 with free shipping from outpost.com. Epson has a $50 rebate through 3/31/01 -- so net cost of $79. This one has the quad inks. For both the 860 and 1160, I am using the continuous ink system from MIS Associates. $68 for the hardware (bottles, tubing, etc.) and $52 four 4-oz bottles of quadtone inks (or $60 for the MediaStreet color inks. By comparison, Jon Cone's Piezography quad inks are $260 for 4x4 bottles.. I have left my 750 as is for use with Epson ink cartridges. The archival pigment-based color inks are not as vibrant as the dye-based original inks. And I use the 750 for color glossy prints, because . . . The only other caveat is that archival color or quad inks do not print well on glossy papers. Epson Archival Matte paper works well. Cone's software ($295) seems reasonable if you use lots of papers, because he supplies many profiles. (If you choose to afford his inks). I am settling on a few papers. Hope that helps -- and that not too many are bothered by the off-topic discussion. Tom - Original Message - > >I have been printing my paper negatives via photoshop and an Epson 1270. I > >conclude that it is truly impossible to get an reliably adequate B&W print > >out of the 1270. I use duotone instead, which usually is aceptable, but I'd > >really like any reports of successful experience in ink jet printing of B&W > >images. > > Tom Harvey's original reply: > The short answer is that you cannot get consistently acceptable B&W > results with color inkjet printers. I've tried Epson 750, 860, and > 1160 printers. I have been able to get pleasing prints some of the > time -- as long as I keep the print in one type of light and never > compare it side-by-side with other prints. What looks good in one > setting seems too magenta or green in other settings. The only real > solution is quadtone inks, though finding an inkset that does not > print slightly warm is a challenge.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] black and white printer
At 08:06 AM 3/2/01 -0600, you wrote: Thanks. Can you suggest a printer which uses the quadtone inks? I've looked at Cone's website and looked at the info on his inks. I've been following the Epson inkjet list for a couple of years and the 1160 model seems to be most highly recommended for image quality, and works with Cone's Piezography stuff. New printers are coming out soon (as always). - Gregg _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.p at ???
Re: [pinhole-discussion] black and white printer
Thanks. Can you suggest a printer which uses the quadtone inks? I've looked at Cone's website and looked at the info on his inks. - Original Message - From: Thomas Harvey To: Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] black and white printer > >I have been printing my paper negatives via photoshop and an Epson 1270. I > >conclude that it is truly impossible to get an reliably adequate B&W print > >out of the 1270. I use duotone instead, which usually is aceptable, but I'd > >really like any reports of successful experience in ink jet printing of B&W > >images. > > Sounds like you need the added pleasure of a whole new list on Epson > inkjet printing. You can search the archive without getting all the > e-mails at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/epson-inkjet/messages > > > The short answer is that you cannot get consistently acceptable B&W > results with color inkjet printers. I've tried Epson 750, 860, and > 1160 printers. I have been able to get pleasing prints some of the > time -- as long as I keep the print in one type of light and never > compare it side-by-side with other prints. What looks good in one > setting seems too magenta or green in other settings. The only real > solution is quadtone inks, though finding an inkset that does not > print slightly warm is a challenge. I have found the inksets and > continuous ink system from MIS Associates to work pretty well and for > an affordable price. Many others swear by Jon Cone's Piezography > system -- but the software and inks are pricy. > > Tom > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ >
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Re: [pinhole-discussion] couple of pictures
- Original Message - From: "G.Penate" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:55 PM > > Paper or film won't bend around a tight sphere, only a cylinder. Some months ago, I tried to build a small spherical film plane camera around a tennis -ball basis. I had cut a tennis ball in 2 halves, took one of these and built a "pinhole lensboard" which I adapted on the half ball. I did many tries to fix adequately photo paper (single weight) and film in this spherical back but I never succeeded to get a regular surface : it is too difficult to bend equally such a surface in all directions : I got scratches, wrinkles, tears, everything except a plain surface, and though my patience goes far (as most pinholers), I finally gave the ball tennis to ... my grey parrot to play with. Jean Jean Daubas, auteur-photographe Rue de Bourg-Sec25440 LIESLEFrance tél. 03 81 57 50 13 / 06 81 53 12 89 jean.dau...@freesbee.fr
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Re: [pinhole-discussion] the Pinhole Polls are open...
The other reason to avoid "summer" is that summer does not happen at the same time in both hemispheres... Mike Vande Bunt Gregg Kemp wrote: > At 07:59 PM 3/1/01 -0600, you wrote: > >Whatever month is voted in, stating the date as the Last Sunday of > > would allow it to apply to future years. If more time is > >needed, maybe the Last Sunday in May would be best. The summer months > >and vacations may make it difficult for some to process any pinhole > >photos they may take. > > Good points, Terri. Probably another good reason to do it before summer, > or wait until fall. > > >Another thought - What time period will be set for the photos to be > >posted to the web. Some persons may not be able to process right away. > > Another good point - we have touched on this issue also, but have been > focused primarily on getting the promotional material and process in place > that we haven't really gotten into serious discussion of this yet. > > There will be more announcements coming in time for help in various > activities, similar to Pam Niedermayer's request for volunteers for > promoting the event. Your ideas are exactly the kind of thing that we'll > need to discuss and decide on. We're currently working out a mechanism for > pinhole day group discussions that won't bog down this discussion list. > > >Also, give thought to the possibility of Pinhole Week rather than > >Pinhole Day. This would allow for any location to make plans that would > >best suit their particular time schedules. If a group in one location > >decides it would be nice to gather together for this special event, they > >would have more leeway in their planning. > > > >I agree that we will certainly learn from this First Event, and can then > >use this knowledge for the extra special "2nd Pinhole Event" so it will > >at least have double or triple the participation as our 1st Pinhole > >Event. > > > >Temi > > _ > Pinhole Visions at http://www.p at ??? > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Wait, don't honor that vote
Thomas Harvey wrote: > I am also beginning to think that April, 2001 may be too soon for a > wholehearted and fully successful effort this year, though it could > be a practice run for 2002. > Let's not over-think this idea. We're not looking for the "best" pinhole photos ever taken, just pinhole photos taken on the same day worldwide. If it takes the rest of this month to get the word out, there will STILL be a month for people outside this group to plan for the day. Mike Vande Bunt
Re: [pinhole-discussion] black and white printer
I've only had the printer for 2 weeks so far, but I've been impressed with the B&W capability of the Epson 875 DCS (which is the same print engine and inks as the Epson 870). You have to tell the printer to print the photo using color inks (so that it doesn't use just black) and I haven't seen any color tinting show up. (I have only printed very few B&W images as yet, but one reason I chose this printer was that a couple of online reviews reported that it worked well for printing B&W photos.) Mike Vande Bunt William Erickson wrote: > I have been printing my paper negatives via photoshop and an Epson 1270. I > conclude that it is truly impossible to get an reliably adequate B&W print > out of the 1270. I use duotone instead, which usually is aceptable, but I'd > really like any reports of successful experience in ink jet printing of B&W > images. > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] the Pinhole Polls are open...
Gregg Kemp wrote: > At 08:54 AM 3/1/01 -0600, you wrote: > >My 2 cents worth... Keep up the momentum for the April 29 date. > > Keep in mind there is also an option for "4th Sunday in April" which is > coming in second to April 29 in the votes. April 29 is also the 4th Sunday > of 2001, but is a Monday in 2002. I believe this was the intention of the > person adding the last Sunday to the options - that pinhole day always > happen on a weekend when someone would have more time to do it. I can > picture someone spending Saturday making their own pinhole camera, using > the pinhole day web site. And then spending Sunday taking pictures. Works > for this year, but what about after this year? > The poll is supposedly for "the First World Wide Pinhole Photography Day", so the intent SEEMS to be to pick a date for this year rather thant to pick a date that we will hav to stick to in the future. I voted for the 29th of April because I knew that it would be on a Sunday this year and there was no entry for "last Sunday in April", which is not the same as "4th Sunday in April." Mike Vande Bunt
