Re: [pinhole-discussion] first image of a photograph?
I'm in total agreement with Ellis & thank-you Jason for the informative links.If reading other's correspondence (? voyeurism) appeals then the Correspondence of William Henry Fox Talbot Project http://www.foxtalbot.arts.gla.ac.uk/ might appeal. Ray
Re: [pinhole-discussion] first image of a photograph?
If we agree that both Atkins in 1843, using Talbots ideas on photograms and Talbot using photographic images, were both firsts in different areas, then we can replace the lid and tiptoe quietly away !!! Ellis
RE: [pinhole-discussion] first image of a photograph?
The article below discusses Atkins' contribution as the producer of the first published cyanotype photograms, as well as Talbot's _The_Pencil_of_Nature_: http://photography.about.com/library/weekly/aa060302a.htm There is also an incredibly thorough discussion of the calotype process: http://photography.about.com/library/weekly/aa052002a.htm > -Original Message- > From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? > [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???] On Behalf Of ellis CORY > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:26 PM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] first image of a photograph? > > > As I understand the article, Anna Atkins used Talbots photogenic > (shadowgraph) process, this really only gives a outline of > the article placed on sensitive paper. This still leaves > Talbots book to be the first to provide photographs as > recognisable images. > Ellis > > > > Regarding John Ptak's post - I don't know the answer but my first > > impulse was to access Robert Leggat's 'History of Photography' > > http://www.rleggat.com/photohistory/ > > a fantastic resource - there may be additional clues there. > > I too was under the misapprehension that Fox Talbots 'Pencil of > > Nature' > was > > the first photographically illustrated publication - not so > it seems, > > go > see > > significant people: ATKINS, Anna > > Ray > > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ > >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] first image of a photograph?
Ellis replied: "Anna Atkins used Talbots photogenic (shadowgraph) process, this really only gives a outline of the article placed on sensitive paper. This still leaves Talbots book to be the first to provide photographs as recognisable images". This is Pandora's photographic box we are lifting the lid on Ellis - It all comes down to how inclusive one's definition of what a 'photograph' is. I'm totally in awe of Anna Atkin's remarkable achievement - to print and publish a book, photographically illustrated with 424 photogram-cyanotype images in 1843. Ray
Re: [pinhole-discussion] first image of a photograph?
As I understand the article, Anna Atkins used Talbots photogenic (shadowgraph) process, this really only gives a outline of the article placed on sensitive paper. This still leaves Talbots book to be the first to provide photographs as recognisable images. Ellis > Regarding John Ptak's post - I don't know the answer but my first impulse > was to access Robert Leggat's 'History of Photography' > http://www.rleggat.com/photohistory/ > a fantastic resource - there may be additional clues there. > I too was under the misapprehension that Fox Talbots 'Pencil of Nature' was > the first photographically illustrated publication - not so it seems, go see > significant people: ATKINS, Anna > Ray
Re: [pinhole-discussion] first image of a photograph?
Regarding John Ptak's post - I don't know the answer but my first impulse was to access Robert Leggat's 'History of Photography' http://www.rleggat.com/photohistory/ a fantastic resource - there may be additional clues there. I too was under the misapprehension that Fox Talbots 'Pencil of Nature' was the first photographically illustrated publication - not so it seems, go see significant people: ATKINS, Anna Ray Ray Beckett P O Box 577 Coolangatta QLD 4225 Australia URL: www.pinholephotography.com.au
Re: [pinhole-discussion] first image of a photograph?
Ellis, is correct regard Fox Talbot work and dates. Eric - Original Message - From: "ellis CORY" To: Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] first image of a photograph? > I am not sure I understand your question, but the information I have is that > the Photogenic process was invented by Talbot in 1835, it was basically a > sensitive paper with an object placed on top, exposed to the sun, developed > and fixed. The idea had been tried before, but fixing the image was not > possible, Talbot solved this problem. He read a scientific paper on this in > 1839. He than went on to use an improved process in a camera obscura, > announcing this in 1840 as the Calotype process. At the same time, the > Daguerreotype was being used, but could not make copies easily. Talbot > showed that his process could, being a negative and a positive could be made > from them, the rest is history. > The first book published with photographic plates was The Pencil of Nature > in 1844, by Talbot. > Two further points, pinhole photos were not viable until 1879, when > photographic paper was sensitive enough and some of the earliest photos of > Talbot were Daguerreotypes ! > Ellis > > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] first image of a photograph?
I am not sure I understand your question, but the information I have is that the Photogenic process was invented by Talbot in 1835, it was basically a sensitive paper with an object placed on top, exposed to the sun, developed and fixed. The idea had been tried before, but fixing the image was not possible, Talbot solved this problem. He read a scientific paper on this in 1839. He than went on to use an improved process in a camera obscura, announcing this in 1840 as the Calotype process. At the same time, the Daguerreotype was being used, but could not make copies easily. Talbot showed that his process could, being a negative and a positive could be made from them, the rest is history. The first book published with photographic plates was The Pencil of Nature in 1844, by Talbot. Two further points, pinhole photos were not viable until 1879, when photographic paper was sensitive enough and some of the earliest photos of Talbot were Daguerreotypes ! Ellis
