Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...

[Russell Johnson]

Michael,

Not everyone believes as you, and you of all people should understand that in 
this country, ALL beliefs are valued. The beliefs you are defending so 
adamantly are held by a minority of humans on the earth. When you allow others 
to believe what they wish, you will find that your relationship with the other 
7 billion people in the world will be much more pleasant. 

What you or I believe about the gender or non-gender of any supreme being is 
irrelevant in the discussion of Linux.

My mother always taught me to 'Pick my battles'. This is not the time nor the 
place to argue religion.

Keith made a tongue in cheek (I'm assuming here) remark, and you took the bait. 
I don't know if he intended it as such or not. Stop taking the bait, and the 
baiting will stop. You have as much control over letting it go as anyone else. 
More so in fact, since you are the one taking the heat for taking the bait. Let 
it go.

On Sep 27, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Michael C. Robinson wrote:

> Not until I am afforded the same privileges and respect as Keith
> concerning this argument.

Russell Johnson
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Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...

[Jason Barnett]

Danial,
I agree, however we have gone down this road a dozen times before... always
with the same individual.  I am constantly on the edge of unsubscribing to
this mailing list, despite all the GOOD information that is on it.  I have
found that the only way to deal with it is to have an autodelete filter for
any post that contains his name.  sometimes a few messages (like this one)
get through, but it is much better than without the filter.

Jason

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Daniel Pittman  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 20:59, Benjamin Kerensa 
> wrote:
>
> > I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum
> but last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we
> drop this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways
> to address such.
>
> It would, indeed, be awesome if folks could keep this off-topic
> religious discussion off this list.
>
> Aside from anything else, this divisive and unpleasant tone drives
> away valuable contributions and otherwise interesting members of the
> list; it would be a shame if we let that happen.
>
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Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...

[Michael C. Robinson]

On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 21:44 -0700, Daniel Pittman wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 20:59, Benjamin Kerensa  wrote:
> 
> > I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but 
> > last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we drop 
> > this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways to 
> > address such.
> 
> It would, indeed, be awesome if folks could keep this off-topic
> religious discussion off this list.
> 
> Aside from anything else, this divisive and unpleasant tone drives
> away valuable contributions and otherwise interesting members of the
> list; it would be a shame if we let that happen.
> 
> Daniel

You just did let that happen by making this comment.

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Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...

[Michael C. Robinson]

Well Bill, you are wrong where trying to harass me privately is still
harassment.  At least by posting this on PLUG others can see that you
are clearly part of the problem and not part of the solution.  If people
do leave this list, it will not be because I tried to logically and
respectfully argue a different viewpoint to Keith's controversial and
wrong religious statement.  I'm still awaiting a community solution to
the Keith can use this as a political/religious rag problem.  If he is
allowed to do so, I should be allowed to do so along with anyone else
who wants to.  That is called free speech by the way.  If nobody should
be allowed to do this, then nobody includes Keith.  If I'm wrong and
people do leave this list because they are intolerant of reasonable and
correct religious beliefs, good riddance.

On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 21:49 -0700, Bill Ensley wrote:
> Michael,
> 
> There is a reason other lists kick you off.
> 
> I'm sorry you can't see it.
> 
> When you turn in a circle and everyone you see is wrong, perhaps it's 
> not them.
> 
> -Bill Ensley
> 
> On 9/27/2011 2:14 PM, Michael C. Robinson wrote:
> > Not until I am afforded the same privileges and respect as Keith
> > concerning this argument.  If Keith has a right to put blatant
> > and wrong religious statements on this Linux list, than anyone else
> > should have the right to disagree with him both openly and
> > intelligently.  Disproportionately blaming this argument on one person
> > is wrong, needs to stop, and it can only be stopped by the community.  I
> > am owed an apology for Keith's lack of professionalism and from other
> > people as well who know who they are.  I have been singled out for
> > censorship but Keith has not and the sad truth is, I really do need help
> > with Asterisk.  The only reason Keith started this argument is to get me
> > censored so that other people won't help me.  This wasn't a joke between
> > him and his wife, it was blatant trolling.  Why can't the community see
> > that and the list moderators reprimand him?
> >
> > On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 20:59 -0700, Benjamin Kerensa wrote:
> >> Hi Guys,
> >>
> >> I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but 
> >> last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we 
> >> drop this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and 
> >> ways to address such.
> >>
> >> - Benjamin Kerensa
> >> Team Lead
> >> Ubuntu Oregon
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Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...

[Bill Ensley]

Michael,

There is a reason other lists kick you off.

I'm sorry you can't see it.

When you turn in a circle and everyone you see is wrong, perhaps it's 
not them.

-Bill Ensley

On 9/27/2011 2:14 PM, Michael C. Robinson wrote:
> Not until I am afforded the same privileges and respect as Keith
> concerning this argument.  If Keith has a right to put blatant
> and wrong religious statements on this Linux list, than anyone else
> should have the right to disagree with him both openly and
> intelligently.  Disproportionately blaming this argument on one person
> is wrong, needs to stop, and it can only be stopped by the community.  I
> am owed an apology for Keith's lack of professionalism and from other
> people as well who know who they are.  I have been singled out for
> censorship but Keith has not and the sad truth is, I really do need help
> with Asterisk.  The only reason Keith started this argument is to get me
> censored so that other people won't help me.  This wasn't a joke between
> him and his wife, it was blatant trolling.  Why can't the community see
> that and the list moderators reprimand him?
>
> On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 20:59 -0700, Benjamin Kerensa wrote:
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but 
>> last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we drop 
>> this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways to 
>> address such.
>>
>> - Benjamin Kerensa
>> Team Lead
>> Ubuntu Oregon
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Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...

[Daniel Pittman]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 20:59, Benjamin Kerensa  wrote:

> I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but 
> last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we drop 
> this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways to 
> address such.

It would, indeed, be awesome if folks could keep this off-topic
religious discussion off this list.

Aside from anything else, this divisive and unpleasant tone drives
away valuable contributions and otherwise interesting members of the
list; it would be a shame if we let that happen.

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Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...

[Michael C. Robinson]

> I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but 
> last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we drop 
> this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways to 
> address such.
> 
> - Benjamin Kerensa
> Team Lead
> Ubuntu Oregon

I think you are wrong.  I have been trying to be a part of this list for
years where trouble has been ongoing.  The Linux community may be
welcoming somewhere else, but not here in Portland.  I want to be a part
of the Linux list in my community, but this community is very unchurched
and way too liberal.  This invariably comes up one way or another over
and over and over.  The liberals causing the problem, like Keith, are
never criticized for their behavior and frankly they are never called on
it.  Nobody ever says, "hey Keith, you are blatantly intolerant of the
opposite viewpoint on an issue you shouldn't have brought up in the
first place."  Keith and others have not just done this once, this
happens over and over and over.  It is high time, it is past time for
David Mandel or someone to take corrective action.

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Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...

[Michael C. Robinson]

Not until I am afforded the same privileges and respect as Keith
concerning this argument.  If Keith has a right to put blatant 
and wrong religious statements on this Linux list, than anyone else 
should have the right to disagree with him both openly and
intelligently.  Disproportionately blaming this argument on one person
is wrong, needs to stop, and it can only be stopped by the community.  I
am owed an apology for Keith's lack of professionalism and from other
people as well who know who they are.  I have been singled out for
censorship but Keith has not and the sad truth is, I really do need help
with Asterisk.  The only reason Keith started this argument is to get me
censored so that other people won't help me.  This wasn't a joke between
him and his wife, it was blatant trolling.  Why can't the community see
that and the list moderators reprimand him?

On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 20:59 -0700, Benjamin Kerensa wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but 
> last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we drop 
> this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways to 
> address such.
> 
> - Benjamin Kerensa
> Team Lead
> Ubuntu Oregon


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Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...

[Benjamin Kerensa]

Hi Guys,

I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but last 
I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we drop this 
argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways to address 
such.

- Benjamin Kerensa
Team Lead
Ubuntu Oregon



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On Sep 27, 2011 8:46 PM, Fred James  wrote: 

Why is everything you do or say the fault of someone else ... do other 

people control you to that extent?

What universal hot line are you plugged into that you are so very sure 

of your knowledge?



It is irrelevant because the desperation for certainty insures desperate 

uncertainty ... but I don't expect you to understand that



I honestly don't care what gender you assign to your god/God, nor that 

you think that this is the god/God of any other person/persons.

Regards

Fred James



Michael C. Robinson wrote:

> With Keith's baiting of me to get others upset, why are you upset with

> me???  I really do need help figuring out how to get FXS connected

> telephone handsets to dial out.  I can dial to them, but I can't dial

> from them.

>

> Just so everyone is clear, "God is a man."  Second, He is the same God

> as your God because there is only one.  Third, women were judges and

> land owners 2000 years ago, so Christ could have called women to the

> priesthood if He wanted to.  Read the bible, Christ is clearly

> identified as a man and as God.  Check the historical records of ancient

> Rome, Christ is identified as a man.  And while we are on the subject if

> Keith has a privilege to post religious opinions that people won't

> censor, than I should be allowed to do the same without facing

> censorship.  Maybe Keith you should be more professional and avoid

> religious/political controversy on a technical support list.  If you and

> your wife want to call God a woman despite overwhelming evidence to the

> contrary, please do it elsewhere.

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Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...

[Fred James]

Why is everything you do or say the fault of someone else ... do other 
people control you to that extent?
What universal hot line are you plugged into that you are so very sure 
of your knowledge?

It is irrelevant because the desperation for certainty insures desperate 
uncertainty ... but I don't expect you to understand that

I honestly don't care what gender you assign to your god/God, nor that 
you think that this is the god/God of any other person/persons.
Regards
Fred James

Michael C. Robinson wrote:
> With Keith's baiting of me to get others upset, why are you upset with
> me???  I really do need help figuring out how to get FXS connected
> telephone handsets to dial out.  I can dial to them, but I can't dial
> from them.
>
> Just so everyone is clear, "God is a man."  Second, He is the same God
> as your God because there is only one.  Third, women were judges and
> land owners 2000 years ago, so Christ could have called women to the
> priesthood if He wanted to.  Read the bible, Christ is clearly
> identified as a man and as God.  Check the historical records of ancient
> Rome, Christ is identified as a man.  And while we are on the subject if
> Keith has a privilege to post religious opinions that people won't
> censor, than I should be allowed to do the same without facing
> censorship.  Maybe Keith you should be more professional and avoid
> religious/political controversy on a technical support list.  If you and
> your wife want to call God a woman despite overwhelming evidence to the
> contrary, please do it elsewhere.
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[PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...

[Michael C. Robinson]

With Keith's baiting of me to get others upset, why are you upset with
me???  I really do need help figuring out how to get FXS connected
telephone handsets to dial out.  I can dial to them, but I can't dial
from them.

Just so everyone is clear, "God is a man."  Second, He is the same God
as your God because there is only one.  Third, women were judges and
land owners 2000 years ago, so Christ could have called women to the
priesthood if He wanted to.  Read the bible, Christ is clearly
identified as a man and as God.  Check the historical records of ancient
Rome, Christ is identified as a man.  And while we are on the subject if
Keith has a privilege to post religious opinions that people won't
censor, than I should be allowed to do the same without facing
censorship.  Maybe Keith you should be more professional and avoid
religious/political controversy on a technical support list.  If you and
your wife want to call God a woman despite overwhelming evidence to the
contrary, please do it elsewhere.

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Re: [PLUG] VOIP phones for Asterisk

[Aaron Burt]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:16:07AM -0700, Keith Lofstrom wrote:
> Building an Asterisk system for my wife's office.  3 voice
> lines coming in.  She Who Must Be Obeyed says, "no hook
> switch flash, no touch tones, I want lights and buttons".  
> 
> So - suggestions for IP phones to look at or avoid? 

Used/cheap is good.  Ciscos are very common.
For new/cheap, there's Aastra.
For new/nice, Ciscos are popular, but Snoms are nicer.

You've already discovered http://www.voip-info.org/ right?

> This is temporary.  Long term, I want to use headsets and computer
> screens for the caller information and routing info, but short
> term we do it with buttons the old fashioned way. 

Hey, maybe by that time, phones will be obsolete.
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Re: [PLUG] VOIP phones for Asterisk

[MJang]

On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 10:39 -0700, Michael C. Robinson wrote:
> God is not a woman.  God is a man, Mary's son, and Mary is his female
> mother.  Calling God a woman is offensive to both me and Him.  Please
> refrain from doing so again.

While I think Keith was just honoring his wife in a humorous way, I also
respect those religions who believe in a supreme being who happens to be
female.

If you expect help from people on this list, if you even expect people
on this list to listen to you, I suggest that you do more to motivate us
to listen. 

In contrast, every time you react in this way, such as with references
to God, censorship, ReactOS, etc. I suspect that you turn off almost all
of us here -- with the possible exception of those who find
entertainment through programs in the Jerry Springer mold.

Thanks,
Mike
> 
> > Building an Asterisk system for my wife's office.  3 voice
> > lines coming in.  She Who Must Be Obeyed says, "no hook
> > switch flash, no touch tones, I want lights and buttons".  
> > 
> > So - suggestions for IP phones to look at or avoid? 
> > 
> > This is temporary.  Long term, I want to use headsets and computer
> > screens for the caller information and routing info, but short
> > term we do it with buttons the old fashioned way. 
> > 
> > Interesting that "someone" and I are both working on Asterisk 
> > problems.  God has a weird sense of humor, she does.
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [PLUG] VOIP phones for Asterisk

[Fred James]

Michael C. Robinson wrote:
> (omissions for brevity) ... is offensive to both me and Him.  Please
> refrain from doing so again.
>   
Mickael K. Robenson
At the risk of adding my email to those quite properly ignored ...
How do you know what offends god ... oh, yeah, I answer my own 
question, sorry ...
you said God so it must be your God, so of course you know
Regards
Fred James

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Re: [PLUG] VOIP phones for Asterisk

[Michael C. Robinson]

God is not a woman.  God is a man, Mary's son, and Mary is his female
mother.  Calling God a woman is offensive to both me and Him.  Please
refrain from doing so again.

> Building an Asterisk system for my wife's office.  3 voice
> lines coming in.  She Who Must Be Obeyed says, "no hook
> switch flash, no touch tones, I want lights and buttons".  
> 
> So - suggestions for IP phones to look at or avoid? 
> 
> This is temporary.  Long term, I want to use headsets and computer
> screens for the caller information and routing info, but short
> term we do it with buttons the old fashioned way. 
> 
> Interesting that "someone" and I are both working on Asterisk 
> problems.  God has a weird sense of humor, she does.


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Re: [PLUG] VOIP phones for Asterisk

[wes]

I enjoy the Cisco 7940. And I have several of them available...

-wes

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Keith Lofstrom  wrote:

> Building an Asterisk system for my wife's office.  3 voice
> lines coming in.  She Who Must Be Obeyed says, "no hook
> switch flash, no touch tones, I want lights and buttons".
>
> So - suggestions for IP phones to look at or avoid?
>
> This is temporary.  Long term, I want to use headsets and computer
> screens for the caller information and routing info, but short
> term we do it with buttons the old fashioned way.
>
> Interesting that "someone" and I are both working on Asterisk
> problems.  God has a weird sense of humor, she does.
>
> Keith
>
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[PLUG] VOIP phones for Asterisk

[Keith Lofstrom]

Building an Asterisk system for my wife's office.  3 voice
lines coming in.  She Who Must Be Obeyed says, "no hook
switch flash, no touch tones, I want lights and buttons".  

So - suggestions for IP phones to look at or avoid? 

This is temporary.  Long term, I want to use headsets and computer
screens for the caller information and routing info, but short
term we do it with buttons the old fashioned way. 

Interesting that "someone" and I are both working on Asterisk 
problems.  God has a weird sense of humor, she does.

Keith

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Re: [PLUG] What is changing with Linux 3.0.4?

[wes]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Michael C. Robinson <
plu...@robinson-west.com> wrote:

> So then, replacing 2.6.34 with 3.0.4 should work just fine?
> How about for CentOS 6 which is traditionally behind for stability
> reasons?  Is 3.0.4 more stable than 2.6.34?
>
>
it's not that "replacing 2.6.34 with 3.0.4 should work just fine" so much as
"replacing 2.6.34 with 3.0.4 should work as well as replacing 2.6.34 with
2.6.35 would have." One could no more strongly state the latter as the
former.

sometimes things change which break other things. there is a reason releases
exist: to test a particular combination of modules. If you want to put
together an untested combination and see if it works, then more power to
you. Let us know how it turns out.

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Re: [PLUG] What is changing with Linux 3.0.4?

[Paul Heinlein]

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011, Michael C. Robinson wrote:

> So then, replacing 2.6.34 with 3.0.4 should work just fine? How 
> about for CentOS 6 which is traditionally behind for stability 
> reasons?  Is 3.0.4 more stable than 2.6.34?

Unless you have a direct need for new feature in 3.0.4, I'd recommend 
against replacing a CentOS kernel. Strongly.

If you have such a need, you'll have to get advice from someone else. 
I don't replace kernels on CentOS boxes.

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Re: [PLUG] What is changing with Linux 3.0.4?

[Michael C. Robinson]

So then, replacing 2.6.34 with 3.0.4 should work just fine?
How about for CentOS 6 which is traditionally behind for stability
reasons?  Is 3.0.4 more stable than 2.6.34?

> 
> > The Linux 3.0.4 kernel is the current kernel.  What is changing from 
> > the long running 2.6 series which has gotten up around 2.6.40 or so?
> 
> The 3.0.x series is just an incremental upgrade from 2.6.x. Linus 
> wrote:
> 
>  START QUOTE 
> So what are the big changes?
> 
> NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. Sure, we have the usual two thirds driver
> changes, and a lot of random fixes, but the point is that 3.0 is
> *just* about renumbering, we are very much *not* doing a KDE-4 or a
> Gnome-3 here. No breakage, no special scary new features, nothing at
> all like that. We've been doing time-based releases for many years
> now, this is in no way about features. If you want an excuse for the
> renumbering, you really should look at the time-based one ("20 years")
> instead.
> 
> So no ABI changes, no API changes, no magical new features - just
> steady plodding progress.
>  END QUOTE 
> 
> See http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1147415.
> 
> > CentOS 6 unfortunately is down at the 2.6.34 kernel level.  I'm 
> > curious if there are stability and/or other end of life issues for 
> > the 2.6 kernel?
> 
> Red Hat regularly backports security updates and other key 
> enhancements from the current kernel into its production kernel. I 
> imagine that process won't change at all with the renumbering.
> 
> > Is it true that you have to have a gigabyte or more of ram now to
> > install CentOS 6?  Huh, my old servers don't have that.
> 
> You need to have that much for the graphical installer to run. You can 
> still run the text installer with less than 1 GB, but you won't get 
> access to as many install-time options.
> 
> If you have a serious need to run CentOS 6 on a machine with less that 
> a gigabyte of RAM, I suggest you learn how to configure and use 
> the Red Hat/CentOS kickstart installation tools; that's the only route 
> to a fully configurable installation on low-memory machines.
> 
> PS: Ignoring you isn't censorship. Claiming it is completely and 
> utterly devalues the experience of people who have actually been the 
> victim of censors: those who have lost their livelihood, been cast 
> into prison, or dragged to interminable legal proceedings. Your right 
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Re: [PLUG] What is changing with Linux 3.0.4?

[Paul Heinlein]

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011, Michael C. Robinson wrote:

> The Linux 3.0.4 kernel is the current kernel.  What is changing from 
> the long running 2.6 series which has gotten up around 2.6.40 or so?

The 3.0.x series is just an incremental upgrade from 2.6.x. Linus 
wrote:

 START QUOTE 
So what are the big changes?

NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. Sure, we have the usual two thirds driver
changes, and a lot of random fixes, but the point is that 3.0 is
*just* about renumbering, we are very much *not* doing a KDE-4 or a
Gnome-3 here. No breakage, no special scary new features, nothing at
all like that. We've been doing time-based releases for many years
now, this is in no way about features. If you want an excuse for the
renumbering, you really should look at the time-based one ("20 years")
instead.

So no ABI changes, no API changes, no magical new features - just
steady plodding progress.
 END QUOTE 

See http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1147415.

> CentOS 6 unfortunately is down at the 2.6.34 kernel level.  I'm 
> curious if there are stability and/or other end of life issues for 
> the 2.6 kernel?

Red Hat regularly backports security updates and other key 
enhancements from the current kernel into its production kernel. I 
imagine that process won't change at all with the renumbering.

> Is it true that you have to have a gigabyte or more of ram now to
> install CentOS 6?  Huh, my old servers don't have that.

You need to have that much for the graphical installer to run. You can 
still run the text installer with less than 1 GB, but you won't get 
access to as many install-time options.

If you have a serious need to run CentOS 6 on a machine with less that 
a gigabyte of RAM, I suggest you learn how to configure and use 
the Red Hat/CentOS kickstart installation tools; that's the only route 
to a fully configurable installation on low-memory machines.

PS: Ignoring you isn't censorship. Claiming it is completely and 
utterly devalues the experience of people who have actually been the 
victim of censors: those who have lost their livelihood, been cast 
into prison, or dragged to interminable legal proceedings. Your right 
to free speech does not now and never will mean that anyone has to 
listen to you.

-- 
Paul Heinlein <> heinl...@madboa.com <> http://www.madboa.com/
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[PLUG] Asterisk FXS ports...

[Michael C. Robinson]

Does anyone know what to add to extensions.conf in Asterisk 1.8 to allow
dialing from FXS connected devices?

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Re: [PLUG] What is changing with Linux 3.0.4?

[Michael C. Robinson]

On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 00:19 -0700, Michael C. Robinson wrote:
> The Linux 3.0.4 kernel is the current kernel.  What is changing from the
> long running 2.6 series which has gotten up around 2.6.40 or so?
> 
> CentOS 6 unfortunately is down at the 2.6.34 kernel level.  I'm curious
> if there are stability and/or other end of life issues for the 2.6
> kernel?
> 
> Is it true that you have to have a gigabyte or more of ram now to
> install CentOS 6?  Huh, my old servers don't have that.

I hope that David Mandel isn't the only person paying attention to my
posts.  He said himself that this Linux list is for the occasional
discussion about non Linux OSS, but I'm being singled out it seems for
community wide censorship.  If that is the case, at least my complaint
will make the mailing list on http://www.pdxlinux.org where people will
hopefully see it and reconsider what they are doing.  Censorship,
especially when the person is asking about Linux on a Linux list, is
just plain wrong.

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[PLUG] What is changing with Linux 3.0.4?

[Michael C. Robinson]

The Linux 3.0.4 kernel is the current kernel.  What is changing from the
long running 2.6 series which has gotten up around 2.6.40 or so?

CentOS 6 unfortunately is down at the 2.6.34 kernel level.  I'm curious
if there are stability and/or other end of life issues for the 2.6
kernel?

Is it true that you have to have a gigabyte or more of ram now to
install CentOS 6?  Huh, my old servers don't have that.

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[PLUG] Domain move...

[Michael C. Robinson]

I've been forced to move my static ip's to different ones because my ISP
got bought out.  At PSU at least, my second web server xerxes is
apparently not being detected at the new number.  I'm also noticing that
my posts to this list don't seem to be showing up.

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