Re: LEGAL-FINANCIAL ADVICE for Twangfest

1999-01-20 Thread Tom Smith

 From the Twang Gang
 
  We need your advice on
 setting up our bank account so that none of the individual Twangfest
 committee members has the account on his or her social security
 number.

I'd be interested in hearing how P2 musicians handle clubs 
which demand that a band representative provide a SS# 
before payment for a gig. (Years ago, one of my associates 
got audited and the IRS did not accept even his cancelled 
checks that other band members got paid for a particular 
gig. Since hearing this, we've "spread the pain around" - just 
in case . . . )
Tom Smith



Re: LEGAL-FINANCIAL ADVICE for Twangfest

1999-01-20 Thread Bell/Wrightson

Tom Smith wrote:
 
 I'd be interested in hearing how P2 musicians handle clubs
 which demand that a band representative provide a SS#
 before payment for a gig. (Years ago, one of my associates
 got audited and the IRS did not accept even his cancelled
 checks that other band members got paid for a particular
 gig. Since hearing this, we've "spread the pain around" - just
 in case . . . )

Happens most frequently when you are playing at Universitiess and other
sorts of non-profits, and passport numbers required in Europe.  We've
never had a problem with IRS.

I am going to take a guess though that when you are making the big
and/or regular bucks you would set the musicians up as employees and
give them weekly checks, taxes and social security taken out, etc.

That is a guess however,

Sarah



Re: LEGAL-FINANCIAL ADVICE for Twangfest

1999-01-20 Thread Douglas Noss

Tom

I would suggest that the band/musician get a EIN #.  Essentially a SS# for
your company(band). We get paid by check almost every show. 10-12 a month.
Thats how we do it and it makes keeping the books straight easier.

Dutch 
Crowd of One

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 Subject: Re: LEGAL-FINANCIAL ADVICE for Twangfest
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  From the Twang Gang
  
   We need your advice on
  setting up our bank account so that none of the individual Twangfest
  committee members has the account on his or her social security
  number.
 
 I'd be interested in hearing how P2 musicians handle clubs 
 which demand that a band representative provide a SS# 
 before payment for a gig. (Years ago, one of my associates 
 got audited and the IRS did not accept even his cancelled 
 checks that other band members got paid for a particular 
 gig. Since hearing this, we've "spread the pain around" - just 
 in case . . . )
 Tom Smith



Re: LEGAL-FINANCIAL ADVICE for Twangfest

1999-01-20 Thread Tom Smith

Douglas Noss wrote:
 
 I would suggest that the band/musician get a EIN #.  Essentially a SS# for
 your company(band). We get paid by check almost every show. 10-12 a month.
 Thats how we do it and it makes keeping the books straight easier.

Thanks for the tip; I'll certainly look into this.  
As for getting paid by checks, though, the majority of clubs 
in this area (up to 600+ capacity) operate strictly with 
cash.  Occasionally one will require a SS# even for payment 
in cash. Those range from a small country bar whose owner 
seems to have been spooked (by IRS or state tax dept.)  to 
a considerably larger metropolitan venue, which seems to 
be keeping their books as absolutely straight as possible.  
Likewise, most of the musicians around here - from the 
worst to top notch players - tend to operate as 
"self-employed" independant contractors unless they're in 
a band that has sufficient overhead to warrant some kind of 
collective tax strategy, etc..   Those situations are 
increasingly rare, due to the lousy state of the live music 
biz hereabouts.
The instance I mentioned earlier of my bandmate once 
being tormented by the IRS was rotten, since he's 
completely honest in his record-keeping and was being 
straight with them.  I found it pretty weird - they're 
completely dependant on the honesty of your record 
keeping, yet his tangible proof that the gig money in 
question was divided (the cancelled checks) was not 
accepted.  I pity anyone who tries to audit him (or any of 
the rest of us) again. That sucker will suffocate from 
receipts.
Tom Smith