Re: Consolidating Virtual Domain Delivery
On 2010-03-28 8:15 PM, Daniel L'Hommedieu wrote: > And, I didn't mean to hijack the thread earlier - I meant to change > the subject line - oops... Changing the subject line of an existing thread to start a new thread is *the definition* of hijacking a thread. When you want to start a new thread, start a new message *from scratch*, *not* by replying to an existing thread and changing the subject. Threaded mail readers do *not* use the subject for displaying threads, they use the appropriate mail *headers*. -- Best regards, Charles
Re: Consolidating Virtual Domain Delivery
On Mar 28, 2010, at 19:28, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:51:27 -0400, Daniel L'Hommedieu > articulated: > >> After seeing this comment, I decided to see what versions of postfix >> I have installed. The RPM available for both CentOS 5 and RHEL5 is >> "postfix-2.3.3-2.1.el5_2." It's interesting that both of these Linux >> versions offer a version of postfix that is so old... >> >> Maybe I need to look into maintaining postfix manually... > > Conversely, you might consider an OS that maintains a more up-to-date > software repository. Jerry, This is an interesting proposition, but for the bulk of my work it is not feasible. My employer is 100% Red Hat-based, so RHEL5 is my only option there. For my personal server, I choose to run CentOS to be compatible with what we use at the office, but it's certainly an option to use something other than the same thing at work and home. And, I didn't mean to hijack the thread earlier - I meant to change the subject line - oops... Daniel
Re: Consolidating Virtual Domain Delivery
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:51:27 -0400, Daniel L'Hommedieu articulated: > After seeing this comment, I decided to see what versions of postfix > I have installed. The RPM available for both CentOS 5 and RHEL5 is > "postfix-2.3.3-2.1.el5_2." It's interesting that both of these Linux > versions offer a version of postfix that is so old... > > Maybe I need to look into maintaining postfix manually... Conversely, you might consider an OS that maintains a more up-to-date software repository. -- Jerry postfix.u...@yahoo.com TO REPORT A PROBLEM see http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html#mail TO (UN)SUBSCRIBE see http://www.postfix.org/lists.html If little green men land in your back yard, hide any little green women you've got in the house. Mike Harding, "The Armchair Anarchist's Almanac"
Fwd: Re: Consolidating Virtual Domain Delivery
Original Message Subject: Re: Consolidating Virtual Domain Delivery Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 00:14:43 +0200 From: fakessh To: "Roderick A. Anderson" On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:00:08 -0700, "Roderick A. Anderson" wrote: > Daniel L'Hommedieu wrote: >> On Mar 28, 2010, at 15:23, Wietse Venema wrote: >>> BTW, Postfix 2.3 is no longer maintained. It is almost four years old. >> >> Wietse, >> >> After seeing this comment, I decided to see what versions of postfix I >> have installed. The RPM available for both CentOS 5 and RHEL5 is >> "postfix-2.3.3-2.1.el5_2." It's interesting that both of these Linux >> versions offer a version of postfix that is so old... >> >> Maybe I need to look into maintaining postfix manually... > > Please see the thread starting on 23-Mar-2010 "Should I update Postfix?" > which discusses this. > > > \\||/ > Rod there are specially built rpm for redhat http://www.linuxmail.info/postfix-rpm-packages/ http://ftp.wl0.org/official/2.5/RPMS-rhel5-i386/ http://ftp.sanguine.net/pub/postfix/official/2.5/RPMS-rhel5-i386/ I use successfully [r...@r13151 ~]# rpm -qa | grep postfix postfix-2.5.1-1.mysql.sasl2.vda.rhel5 on my little machine in France fakessh
Re: Consolidating Virtual Domain Delivery
Daniel L'Hommedieu wrote: On Mar 28, 2010, at 15:23, Wietse Venema wrote: BTW, Postfix 2.3 is no longer maintained. It is almost four years old. Wietse, After seeing this comment, I decided to see what versions of postfix I have installed. The RPM available for both CentOS 5 and RHEL5 is "postfix-2.3.3-2.1.el5_2." It's interesting that both of these Linux versions offer a version of postfix that is so old... Maybe I need to look into maintaining postfix manually... Please see the thread starting on 23-Mar-2010 "Should I update Postfix?" which discusses this. \\||/ Rod -- Daniel
Re: Consolidating Virtual Domain Delivery
On Mar 28, 2010, at 15:23, Wietse Venema wrote: > BTW, Postfix 2.3 is no longer maintained. It is almost four years old. Wietse, After seeing this comment, I decided to see what versions of postfix I have installed. The RPM available for both CentOS 5 and RHEL5 is "postfix-2.3.3-2.1.el5_2." It's interesting that both of these Linux versions offer a version of postfix that is so old... Maybe I need to look into maintaining postfix manually... Daniel
Re: Consolidating Virtual Domain Delivery
Frank Reid: > Wietse Venema wrote: > > > To prove that POSTFIX is at fault you need to demonstrate that > > ONE message with MULTIPLE recipients results in MULTIPLE deliveries. > > I did some tests, and it appears it only happens when addressing the virtual > domain. POSTFIX does only one "RCPT TO" for normal (local or remote) > domains, but for the virtual domain, it does a "RCPT TO" for each recipient > under the virtual domain that's destined. According to Postfix 2.3, patch 10: 20070520 Bugfix (problem introduced Postfix 2.3): when DSN support was introduced it broke "agressive" recipient duplicate elimination with "enable_original_recipient = no". File: cleanup/cleanup_out_recipient.c. So, you will need to upgrade. BTW, Postfix 2.3 is no longer maintained. It is almost four years old. Wietser
Re: Consolidating Virtual Domain Delivery
Frank Reid: > Wietse Venema wrote: > > > To prove that POSTFIX is at fault you need to demonstrate that > > ONE message with MULTIPLE recipients results in MULTIPLE deliveries. > > I did some tests, and it appears it only happens when addressing the virtual > domain. POSTFIX does only one "RCPT TO" for normal (local or remote) > domains, but for the virtual domain, it does a "RCPT TO" for each recipient > under the virtual domain that's destined. You show output only. That does not prove that POSTFIX expands one recipient into multiple recipients. Wietse
RE: Consolidating Virtual Domain Delivery
Wietse Venema wrote: > To prove that POSTFIX is at fault you need to demonstrate that > ONE message with MULTIPLE recipients results in MULTIPLE deliveries. I did some tests, and it appears it only happens when addressing the virtual domain. POSTFIX does only one "RCPT TO" for normal (local or remote) domains, but for the virtual domain, it does a "RCPT TO" for each recipient under the virtual domain that's destined. Again, configuration for reference: -- main.cf virtual_alias_domains = example.com virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual -- virtual @example.com mail...@mydomain.com Below is the transcript from a remote mail server (MDaemon) that receives "mail...@mydomain.com" mail. Note that POSTFIX generated a new "RCPT TO" for the same mailbox for each time a user was addressed in under the virtual domain, e.g. 20 users under @example.com would equal 20 RCPT TO. Sun 2010-03-28 14:48:54: <-- MAIL FROM: SIZE=666 Sun 2010-03-28 14:48:54: --> 250 , Sender ok Sun 2010-03-28 14:48:54: <-- RCPT TO: Sun 2010-03-28 14:48:54: --> 250 , Recipient ok Sun 2010-03-28 14:48:54: <-- RCPT TO: Sun 2010-03-28 14:48:54: --> 250 , Recipient ok Sun 2010-03-28 14:48:54: <-- DATA Sun 2010-03-28 14:48:54: Creating temp file (SMTP): c:\mdaemon\temp\md5001288.tmp Sun 2010-03-28 14:48:54: --> 354 Enter mail, end with . Sun 2010-03-28 14:48:54: Message size: 666 bytes Sun 2010-03-28 14:48:54: Message creation successful: c:\mdaemon\inbound\md5315611.msg Sun 2010-03-28 14:48:54: --> 250 Ok, message saved Sun 2010-03-28 14:48:54: <-- QUIT I'm certain it's something I'm doing wrong, but I appreciate any help locating it. Thanks.
Re: Consolidating Virtual Domain Delivery
Frank Reid: > Wietse Venema wrote: > > > Yes it is possible. However, I need to warn you first about a > > mis-conception. > > > The To: header is NOT a reliable indicator of the intended recipient. > > Understand. I have no intention to sort out or deliver this mail by other > means from the destination mailbox. It's for a demonstration to show how > discrete recipients would have been originally addressed from a remote > system. When the system is ready, I will remove the virtual_alias_maps and > let it talk directly to the real destination. > > > To turn off the original recipient logic in virtual aliases, see > > http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#enable_original_recipient > > I have set "enable_original_recipient = no" in main.cf and confirmed with > postconf -n. Still, it does not control this behavior, and I receive a > unique copy of the mail for each recipient originally addressed under the > virtual_alias_domain. I have tried to deliver to a non-Dovecot (remote) > mailbox with the same results. > > mail_version = 2.3.3 To prove that POSTFIX is at fault you need to demonstrate that ONE message with MULTIPLE recipients results in MULTIPLE deliveries. Wietse
RE: Consolidating Virtual Domain Delivery
Wietse Venema wrote: > Yes it is possible. However, I need to warn you first about a > mis-conception. > The To: header is NOT a reliable indicator of the intended recipient. Understand. I have no intention to sort out or deliver this mail by other means from the destination mailbox. It's for a demonstration to show how discrete recipients would have been originally addressed from a remote system. When the system is ready, I will remove the virtual_alias_maps and let it talk directly to the real destination. > To turn off the original recipient logic in virtual aliases, see > http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#enable_original_recipient I have set "enable_original_recipient = no" in main.cf and confirmed with postconf -n. Still, it does not control this behavior, and I receive a unique copy of the mail for each recipient originally addressed under the virtual_alias_domain. I have tried to deliver to a non-Dovecot (remote) mailbox with the same results. mail_version = 2.3.3 Any thoughts?
Re: Consolidating Virtual Domain Delivery
Frank Reid: > Scenario: I would like to deliver all mail for the @example.com domain to a > single mailbox as a single delivery (to preserve header information). I > have set up: > > -- main.cf > virtual_alias_domains = example.com > virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual > > -- virtual > @example.com mail...@mydomain.com > > This works fine, and all @example.com mail goes to mail...@mydomain.com. > (The mailbox is a Dovecot mailbox, if that matters.) > > The problem is that I get a separate copy for every user under @example.com > to the other mailbox. For example, if the original mail is addressed to > us...@example.com and us...@example.com, I will receive two copies in > mail...@mydomain.com. By default, Postfix makes one delivery per original recipient. Some organizations receive all their mail in a single mailbox, and need to split out the mail after dowloading it with fetchmail etc. (For this, the delivery agent meeds to be configured to prepend an X-Original-To: header with the original recipient address. This is the default with Postfix's built-in mailbox delivery agents, but needs to be configured explicitly when using an external mailbox delivery agent such as Dovecot.) > Is it possible to consolidate into a single delivery using this method? > I've looked at address rewrite, but I would like to keep the original header > intact showing the intended recipients, if that's possible. Yes it is possible. However, I need to warn you first about a mis-conception. The To: header is NOT a reliable indicator of the intended recipient. For example, this message is sent To: postfix-users@postfix.org, yet it arrives in your mailbox. It would be a mistake to make mail delivery decisions based on the information in the To: header. To turn off the original recipient logic in virtual aliases, see http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#enable_original_recipient Wietse
Consolidating Virtual Domain Delivery
Scenario: I would like to deliver all mail for the @example.com domain to a single mailbox as a single delivery (to preserve header information). I have set up: -- main.cf virtual_alias_domains = example.com virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual -- virtual @example.com mail...@mydomain.com This works fine, and all @example.com mail goes to mail...@mydomain.com. (The mailbox is a Dovecot mailbox, if that matters.) The problem is that I get a separate copy for every user under @example.com to the other mailbox. For example, if the original mail is addressed to us...@example.com and us...@example.com, I will receive two copies in mail...@mydomain.com. Is it possible to consolidate into a single delivery using this method? I've looked at address rewrite, but I would like to keep the original header intact showing the intended recipients, if that's possible.
