Re(2): Time Machine discussion.

[Paul Collett]

After a bit of experimenting with including and excluding various files
from the database backup set, I've got things working. I've left these
files and folders out, 

Address Database.old
Custom Dictionary
Custom Sounds
IMAP Cache
Message Database index.old
Message Database Spotlight cache
Message Database.old
Old Format Database
Server-side Database.old
Setup Database.old

and the Temp Incoming/Outgoing folders.

Now it's backing up each hour as advertised, nice and fast. My message
database is currently just under 490 MB.

Which of these items was causing the issue, I have no idea, but the
information might be of use if anyone else has similar problems. 

Paul

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:45:06 -0800 Bob Parks wrote:

>On 11/11/07, PowerMail discussions wrote:
>
>>Less than a minute - nice! On my system, the backups complete with the
>>Powermail folder include, but then in the System Preferences Time
>>Machine pane it just sits on "preparing" for ever. 
>
>One bit of information that nobody is mentioning.. how big is the
>PowerMail message database?
>
>Mine is a bit over 300 mb.  Thats a lot of stuff to back up every
>hour!   Additionally, what happens to TM if the database is modified
>during the time its being copied?
>
>So, for now, I am sticking with a Retrospect backup every night, with PM
>shut down.
>
>TM seems much better suited for use with email programs that maintain a
>lot of separate files rather than one big database.

Re: Time Machine discussion.

[Richard Davis]

>Can someone please unsubscribe me?  I have tried at the website, but 
>doesn't work.

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Re: Time Machine discussion.

[Jim Slauson]

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:56:04 + "Derry Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>Bob Parks at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:45:06 -0800
>
>>TM seems much better suited for use with email programs that maintain a
>>lot of separate files rather than one big database.
>
>I wouldn't bet on that. I'd suspect it's the Message Database index file
>that's causing the slow down.  That's lots of little files.
>
>
>--
>Derry 
>
>

Re: Time Machine discussion.

[Derry Thompson]

Bob Parks at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:45:06 -0800

>TM seems much better suited for use with email programs that maintain a
>lot of separate files rather than one big database.

I wouldn't bet on that. I'd suspect it's the Message Database index file
that's causing the slow down.  That's lots of little files.


--
Derry 

Re:Time Machine discussion.

[Bob Parks]

On 11/11/07, PowerMail discussions wrote:

>Less than a minute - nice! On my system, the backups complete with the
>Powermail folder include, but then in the System Preferences Time
>Machine pane it just sits on "preparing" for ever. 

One bit of information that nobody is mentioning.. how big is the
PowerMail message database?

Mine is a bit over 300 mb.  Thats a lot of stuff to back up every
hour!   Additionally, what happens to TM if the database is modified
during the time its being copied?

So, for now, I am sticking with a Retrospect backup every night, with PM
shut down.

TM seems much better suited for use with email programs that maintain a
lot of separate files rather than one big database.

Bob

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powermail-discuss Digest #2731 - 11/11/07

[PowerMail discussions]

powermail-discuss Digest #2731 - Sunday, November 11, 2007

  Re(2): Time Machine and Powermail
  by "Paul Collett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Re: Time Machine and Powermail
  by "Geoff Roynon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Re: Time Machine and Powermail
  by "Carl Darby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  behavioral bug report (copy)
  by "MB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


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Subject: Re(2): Time Machine and Powermail
From: "Paul Collett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:35:50 +0900

Nothing in the system and console logs.

Less than a minute - nice! On my system, the backups complete with the
Powermail folder include, but then in the System Preferences Time
Machine pane it just sits on "preparing" for ever. I tried another
backup with Powermail added earlier, the backup was successful, but it's
been preparing now for well over an hour. This doesn't happen if I
remove Powermail from the backup set, as I said.

Paul

On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:18:22 + Geoff Roynon wrote:

>On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:35:34 +0900 Paul Collett said:
>

>>
>I am using Time Machine with Leopard and the hourly backups take less
>than a minute to complete. I am running PowerMail 24 hours a day. The
>only folder I have excluded from the backup in my Boinc folder as I
>don't care if that gets lost.
>
>I think you have something else wrong - have you checked your system and
>console logs for errors?
>
>Geoff
>



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Subject: Re: Time Machine and Powermail
From: "Geoff Roynon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:42:47 +

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:35:50 +0900 Paul Collett said:

>Nothing in the system and console logs.
>
>Less than a minute - nice! On my system, the backups complete with the
>Powermail folder include, but then in the System Preferences Time
>Machine pane it just sits on "preparing" for ever. I tried another
>backup with Powermail added earlier, the backup was successful, but it's
>been preparing now for well over an hour. This doesn't happen if I
>remove Powermail from the backup set, as I said.
>
>Paul
>
The only other thing I can suggest is to look at the Apple discussion
group for Time Machine and see if anyone else is having similar problems.

Good luck.

Geoff

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Subject: Re: Time Machine and Powermail
From: "Carl Darby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:20:42 +

Not strictly in response to your problem but take a look at this:



Carl


On Saturday, November 10, 2007 Peter Lovell wrote:

>
>On Nov 10, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Paul Collett wrote:
>
>> Is anyone using Time Machine with Leopard?  How do you find the
>> backups
>> work if you have your Powermail folder included?
>>
>> I was finding the hourly backups were taking forever - in most cases,
>> well over an hour if they even got completed, and generally slowing
>> down
>> my computer. After playing around with including and excluding
>> different
>> folders it seems Powermail was slowing things down the most; excluding
>> the entire Powermail folder from the backup set means Time Machine is
>> now working as advertised.  Unfortunately at the expense of getting
>> hourly backups of my mail.
>>
>> I'm very interested to hear any other experiences here, especially if
>> people are getting successful and fast backups of their mail.
>>
>> Paul Collett
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>I have asked about this exact issue several times and have never
>received any answer. The PowerMail "Message Database" is a single
>file and any change to that means that it's backed up. Same for some
>of the files in the index.
>
>Being TM-friendly would mean an extensive rewrite of the database
>mechanism, and I haven't heard any suggestion about that.
>
>Regards.Peter
>



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Subject: behavioral bug report (copy)
From: "MB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:47:12 +0100

A copy of what was sent to CTM support:

Currently PowerMail behaves in this fashion:
If an email filter "X" have the action "Don't show recent messages" and
a connection is made and new messages are downloaded but are filtered
according to said filter "X" and no other new messages are downloaded,
the Recent Messages window still comes to foreground showing an empty
window (or non new messages from earlier downloads). This provided
obviously that the preferences is set to open the Recent Messages Window
when new mail messages arrives.

A more logical behavior and a more naturally user expected one would be
under the circumstances above:
-> The Recent Messages Window do not come to foreground unless there are
new messages that are going to be visible in it.

Mikae

behavioral bug report (copy)

[MB]

A copy of what was sent to CTM support:

Currently PowerMail behaves in this fashion:
If an email filter "X" have the action "Don't show recent messages" and
a connection is made and new messages are downloaded but are filtered
according to said filter "X" and no other new messages are downloaded,
the Recent Messages window still comes to foreground showing an empty
window (or non new messages from earlier downloads). This provided
obviously that the preferences is set to open the Recent Messages Window
when new mail messages arrives.

A more logical behavior and a more naturally user expected one would be
under the circumstances above:
-> The Recent Messages Window do not come to foreground unless there are
new messages that are going to be visible in it.

Mikael

Tech facts:
PM 5.5.3 Swedish/ SpamSieve 2.6.4 Swedish | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook
G4/400 Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD

Re: Time Machine and Powermail

[Carl Darby]

Not strictly in response to your problem but take a look at this:



Carl


On Saturday, November 10, 2007 Peter Lovell wrote: 

>
>On Nov 10, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Paul Collett wrote:
>
>> Is anyone using Time Machine with Leopard?  How do you find the  
>> backups
>> work if you have your Powermail folder included?
>>
>> I was finding the hourly backups were taking forever - in most cases,
>> well over an hour if they even got completed, and generally slowing  
>> down
>> my computer. After playing around with including and excluding  
>> different
>> folders it seems Powermail was slowing things down the most; excluding
>> the entire Powermail folder from the backup set means Time Machine is
>> now working as advertised.  Unfortunately at the expense of getting
>> hourly backups of my mail.
>>
>> I'm very interested to hear any other experiences here, especially if
>> people are getting successful and fast backups of their mail.
>>
>> Paul Collett
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>I have asked about this exact issue several times and have never  
>received any answer. The PowerMail "Message Database" is a single  
>file and any change to that means that it's backed up. Same for some  
>of the files in the index.
>
>Being TM-friendly would mean an extensive rewrite of the database  
>mechanism, and I haven't heard any suggestion about that.
>
>Regards.Peter
>

Re: Time Machine and Powermail

[Geoff Roynon]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:35:50 +0900 Paul Collett said:

>Nothing in the system and console logs. 
>
>Less than a minute - nice! On my system, the backups complete with the
>Powermail folder include, but then in the System Preferences Time
>Machine pane it just sits on "preparing" for ever. I tried another
>backup with Powermail added earlier, the backup was successful, but it's
>been preparing now for well over an hour. This doesn't happen if I
>remove Powermail from the backup set, as I said.
>
>Paul
>
The only other thing I can suggest is to look at the Apple discussion
group for Time Machine and see if anyone else is having similar problems.

Good luck.

Geoff

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Using PowerMail 5.5.3 (SpamSieve 2.6.4) on a G5 dual 1.8MHz, 3 GB RAM,
under MacOSX 10.5