Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

[TheOreoMonster]

The Clarett 8PreX is the interface if you have a bunch of gear and you want to 
just leave everything connected . THe front panel has two instrument inputs, 8 
gain knobs with individual  Phantom Power, Hi Pass and Phase switches next to 
each of the knobs. Its also where the big mains out volume knob is as well as 
the two headphones out and their individual headphone volume knobs.  The rear 
has 8 XLR inputs as well as eight 1/4” line inputs. Not combo jacks but 
separate XLR and 1/4 inputs. This is so that you can leave stuff connected to 
the unit and then you would choose in the Focusrite control app or the iOS app 
which input would be active .  On channels 1 & 2 you can choose instrument, 
line in, or XLR. And on 3 through 8 you can choose line in or XLR. You can save 
your selections as presets  and load presets to recall settings. Loading 
presets is accessible with the Focusrite control desktop app, but you would 
have to set it up from the iOS app how you want before saving the  preset. It 
has 10 analog outputs on 1/4” jacks and two sets of ADAT in and outs in 
addition to midi and I believe S/PDIF. The one downside is like the Apogee 
element its a single thunderbolt port, so you can’t daisy chain another 
Thunderbolt device off of it.  You will need sighted assistance to pair the iOS 
app to the desktop Focusrite control app, but I did this with Focusrite 
support. I had them remote into my system and I initiated the pairing from my 
iOS device and then they accepted it on the computer for me. Once that was done 
I was able to control it from the app. Also they set up some input presets for 
me as well also remotely as I did purchase the interface before the iOS app was 
available. The Clarett 8PREX has some cool hidden or lesser known features, 
like for example  it had a loop back function. So anything sent to the main 
outputs 1/2 could be recorded if inputs 9/10 were selected. Also you could have 
the headphones set to mirror what was sent to outputs 7/8 and 9/10 
respectively. This is cool so you can Route monitor mixes to the talent from 
right within the DAW instead of using the Focusrite Control software to do it. 
I am guessing those two features are probably available on some of the other 
Clarett and maybe even scarlet devices also. SO once  set up the only thing you 
needed to use the app for was turning on the ISA preamp emulation, and that 
could also be saved as part of a preset.  Also this reminds me of another and 
perhaps the real reason I ended up getting rid of the UAD Apollo. While both 
Focusrite and UAD support are extremely good about remoting into your system 
and taking as much time as needed to set things up, Everytime there was a UAD 
update I’d need to get on the phone with UAD support to have them authorize all 
my plug ins again. Atlas with Focusrite it was a one time set up and I could 
take over from there. 
Hope this helps and let me know if you have anymore questions. 

> On Nov 15, 2017, at 1:41 AM, Nathaniel Kile  wrote:
> 
> Ok, I hear you. What did you think of the Claret 8PreX
> ? I am not searching for the holy grail, but I do want a quality mid-range 
> priced interface and am open to everyone's thoughts.
> 
> 
> Nate Kile,
> Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision 
> Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
> instruction for schools
> Also Private training to your needs
> 907-444-3707
> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office 
> products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
> www.yourtechvision.com 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of TheOreoMonster
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 9:22 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
> 
> I would have to go digging and figure out which of the projects were done on 
> that. I probably did a lot more mixing at that time than recording. The 
> reasons I got rid of it is I realize I didn’t care for the “analog hype”, as 
> in I wasn’t using a lot of the UAD 1176/LA2a//etc but I did end up using a 
> lot of the plug in alliance stuff like the Maag and SPL stuff. Native Plug In 
> Alliance stuff went on sale more frequently and at better prices than the UAD 
> versions. Also I could use a lot more without running out of processing 
> power. So not being able to use Unison and not using a lot of the UAD 
> exclusive plugins I decided to get rid of it. I do still have some plug ins 
> in my account that I intended to get a satellite card to use at some point 
> but I still haven’t gotten around to that yet. 
> I eventually ended up with the Clarett 8PreX but no longer have it as I moved 
> and had to downsize. 
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:46 AM, Nathaniel Kile  wrote:
>> 
>> Do you have any projects that you recorded with it that I could somehow 

RE: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

[Nathaniel Kile]

Ok, I hear you. What did you think of the Claret 8PreX
? I am not searching for the holy grail, but I do want a quality mid-range 
priced interface and am open to everyone's thoughts.


Nate Kile,
Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision 
Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
instruction for schools
Also Private training to your needs
907-444-3707
Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office 
products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
www.yourtechvision.com 


-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
TheOreoMonster
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 9:22 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

I would have to go digging and figure out which of the projects were done on 
that. I probably did a lot more mixing at that time than recording. The reasons 
I got rid of it is I realize I didn’t care for the “analog hype”, as in I 
wasn’t using a lot of the UAD 1176/LA2a//etc but I did end up using a lot of 
the plug in alliance stuff like the Maag and SPL stuff. Native Plug In Alliance 
stuff went on sale more frequently and at better prices than the UAD versions. 
Also I could use a lot more without running out of processing power. So not 
being able to use Unison and not using a lot of the UAD exclusive plugins I 
decided to get rid of it. I do still have some plug ins in my account that I 
intended to get a satellite card to use at some point but I still haven’t 
gotten around to that yet. 
I eventually ended up with the Clarett 8PreX but no longer have it as I moved 
and had to downsize. 
  
> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:46 AM, Nathaniel Kile  wrote:
> 
> Do you have any projects that you recorded with it that I could somehow 
> listen to? What was the main reason that you no longer have it?
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> Nate Kile,
> Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision Specialist in 
> Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction 
> for schools Also Private training to your needs
> 907-444-3707
> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, 
> Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
> www.yourtechvision.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of TheOreoMonster
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 8:18 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
> 
> IF you end up going UAD get the Quad if you can afford it. I had the Duo from 
> the first gen and could run out of processing power in larger projects if I 
> wanted to use a few instances across numerous tracks. 
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:13 AM, Nathaniel Kile  wrote:
>> 
>> I am still more or less left with the same question, Ha, hHa! Well, at this 
>> point I am drifting over to the UA camp, simply because of the dedicated 
>> buttons, but I have heard some sweet stuff from the Apogee Element line. I 
>> will let you guys know if I pull the trigger on anything.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Nate Kile,
>> Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision Specialist in 
>> Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction 
>> for schools Also Private training to your needs
>> 907-444-3707
>> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, 
>> Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes:
>> www.yourtechvision.com
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of TheOreoMonster
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:58 PM
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
>> 
>> More specifically I am suggesting those making music or teaching videos 
>> won’t necessarily need the additional expense of Pro Tools HD and its 
>> additional specific  interfaces. A modern computer with any 3rd party 
>> thunderbolt interface will perform on par for a lot less money.
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 9:48 PM, Andre Jarreau  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you suggesting there is a better interface for those making music and 
>>> teaching videos?  
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] 
>>> On Behalf Of TheOreoMonster
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:49 PM
>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
>>> 
>>> Allow me to clarify what I meant by not worth the money. Didn’t mean they 
>>> weren’t great sounding interfaces. More What I meant was they weren’t worth 
>>> the money as in cost. They are more expensive (and also requires you to 
>>> upgrade to a ProTools HD license)  and so I don’t consider them a value 
>>> compared to the current 

Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

[TheOreoMonster]

I would have to go digging and figure out which of the projects were done on 
that. I probably did a lot more mixing at that time than recording. The reasons 
I got rid of it is I realize I didn’t care for the “analog hype”, as in I 
wasn’t using a lot of the UAD 1176/LA2a//etc but I did end up using a lot of 
the plug in alliance stuff like the Maag and SPL stuff. Native Plug In Alliance 
stuff went on sale more frequently and at better prices than the UAD versions. 
Also I could use a lot more without running out of processing power. So not 
being able to use Unison and not using a lot of the UAD exclusive plugins I 
decided to get rid of it. I do still have some plug ins in my account that I 
intended to get a satellite card to use at some point but I still haven’t 
gotten around to that yet. 
I eventually ended up with the Clarett 8PreX but no longer have it as I moved 
and had to downsize. 
  
> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:46 AM, Nathaniel Kile  wrote:
> 
> Do you have any projects that you recorded with it that I could somehow 
> listen to? What was the main reason that you no longer have it?
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> Nate Kile,
> Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision 
> Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
> instruction for schools
> Also Private training to your needs
> 907-444-3707
> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office 
> products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
> www.yourtechvision.com 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of TheOreoMonster
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 8:18 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
> 
> IF you end up going UAD get the Quad if you can afford it. I had the Duo from 
> the first gen and could run out of processing power in larger projects if I 
> wanted to use a few instances across numerous tracks. 
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:13 AM, Nathaniel Kile  wrote:
>> 
>> I am still more or less left with the same question, Ha, hHa! Well, at this 
>> point I am drifting over to the UA camp, simply because of the dedicated 
>> buttons, but I have heard some sweet stuff from the Apogee Element line. I 
>> will let you guys know if I pull the trigger on anything.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Nate Kile,
>> Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision Specialist in 
>> Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction 
>> for schools Also Private training to your needs
>> 907-444-3707
>> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, 
>> Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
>> www.yourtechvision.com
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of TheOreoMonster
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:58 PM
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
>> 
>> More specifically I am suggesting those making music or teaching videos 
>> won’t necessarily need the additional expense of Pro Tools HD and its 
>> additional specific  interfaces. A modern computer with any 3rd party 
>> thunderbolt interface will perform on par for a lot less money.
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 9:48 PM, Andre Jarreau  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you suggesting there is a better interface for those making music and 
>>> teaching videos?  
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of TheOreoMonster
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:49 PM
>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
>>> 
>>> Allow me to clarify what I meant by not worth the money. Didn’t mean they 
>>> weren’t great sounding interfaces. More What I meant was they weren’t worth 
>>> the money as in cost. They are more expensive (and also requires you to 
>>> upgrade to a ProTools HD license)  and so I don’t consider them a value 
>>> compared to the current ben 3rd party interfaces that are in the same 
>>> ballpark Latency wise and work fine with non HD Pro Tools. Unless you are 
>>> managing large film projects or something like that, a modern computer and 
>>> modern Thunderbolt interface are more than plenty sufficient for even big 
>>> projects now, especially for music only projects. And I believe, given that 
>>> this is a mailing list for blind users thats what most of us are dealing 
>>> with. 
>>> 
 On Nov 14, 2017, at 7:35 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Steve,
 
 Have you used a HD I/O 16x16 from Avid?
 I can't even begin to count how many songs you might listen to were done 
 with it?
 I use it every day and would be glad to send you off list some music 

RE: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

[Nathaniel Kile]

Do you have any projects that you recorded with it that I could somehow listen 
to? What was the main reason that you no longer have it?
Thanks



Nate Kile,
Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision 
Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
instruction for schools
Also Private training to your needs
907-444-3707
Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office 
products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
www.yourtechvision.com 



-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
TheOreoMonster
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 8:18 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

IF you end up going UAD get the Quad if you can afford it. I had the Duo from 
the first gen and could run out of processing power in larger projects if I 
wanted to use a few instances across numerous tracks. 

> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:13 AM, Nathaniel Kile  wrote:
> 
> I am still more or less left with the same question, Ha, hHa! Well, at this 
> point I am drifting over to the UA camp, simply because of the dedicated 
> buttons, but I have heard some sweet stuff from the Apogee Element line. I 
> will let you guys know if I pull the trigger on anything.
> 
> 
> 
> Nate Kile,
> Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision Specialist in 
> Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction 
> for schools Also Private training to your needs
> 907-444-3707
> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, 
> Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
> www.yourtechvision.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of TheOreoMonster
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:58 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
> 
> More specifically I am suggesting those making music or teaching videos won’t 
> necessarily need the additional expense of Pro Tools HD and its additional 
> specific  interfaces. A modern computer with any 3rd party thunderbolt 
> interface will perform on par for a lot less money.
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 9:48 PM, Andre Jarreau  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Are you suggesting there is a better interface for those making music and 
>> teaching videos?  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of TheOreoMonster
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:49 PM
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
>> 
>> Allow me to clarify what I meant by not worth the money. Didn’t mean they 
>> weren’t great sounding interfaces. More What I meant was they weren’t worth 
>> the money as in cost. They are more expensive (and also requires you to 
>> upgrade to a ProTools HD license)  and so I don’t consider them a value 
>> compared to the current ben 3rd party interfaces that are in the same 
>> ballpark Latency wise and work fine with non HD Pro Tools. Unless you are 
>> managing large film projects or something like that, a modern computer and 
>> modern Thunderbolt interface are more than plenty sufficient for even big 
>> projects now, especially for music only projects. And I believe, given that 
>> this is a mailing list for blind users thats what most of us are dealing 
>> with. 
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 7:35 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Steve,
>>> 
>>> Have you used a HD I/O 16x16 from Avid?
>>> I can't even begin to count how many songs you might listen to were done 
>>> with it?
>>> I use it every day and would be glad to send you off list some music 
>>> produced by it! :) Chuck "God does not play dice with the universe"
>>> "Albert Einstein’
>>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 10:11 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>> 
 Also the only DAW you can control an Apogee interface from within 
 is Logic. The only interfaces you can control from within ProTools 
 is one of the Avid interfaces, and they haven’t updated any of 
 those in a few years so none are really worth the money right now. 
 As Slau said, interfaces are generally controlled from their stand 
 alone apps and not from with in a DAW except in rare cases like 
 pointed out above. So yes you can still use Apogee interfaces in 
 Pro Tools you just won’t be able to control them from within Pro 
 Tools
 
> On Nov 13, 2017, at 9:16 PM, Andre Jarreau  
> wrote:
> 
> Ok, I'm new to Mac and have even less knowledge of Keyboard Maestro.  
> 
> Do you know of an audio interface similar to the APOGEE thunderbolt 
> Element 46 that might be more accessible friendly?
> 
> Or should I bite the bullet and learn 

RE: question about new audio interface for traveling purposes and good microphone suggestions

[Nathaniel Kile]

Hello Slau,
This message fell through the cracks. Thank you for the response. I may 
investigate the remote again and re think all of it. When it boils down to the 
quality and sound of Apogee VS UA, do you have an opinion that you would like 
to share. I have very little with either, my UA experience is all based on 
their traditional hardware.



Nate Kile,
Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision 
Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
instruction for schools
Also Private training to your needs
907-444-3707
Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office 
products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
www.yourtechvision.com 



-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Slau Halatyn
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:45 PM
To: PTAccess List 
Subject: Re: question about new audio interface for traveling purposes and good 
microphone suggestions

Hi Nate,
When using it with Pro Tools, stuff like bit depth and sample rate are 
identified by the session itself. The things that you'd need to use the Apogee 
software for are items such as soft limit and, if applicable, analog versus 
digital assignments to the interface's output channels. Also, any preamp 
volumes are also accessed through the Apogee software. I found it to be 
somewhat accessible, although as I mentioned, apparently the iOS version is 
fully accessible. I only spent 10 minutes with the Elements interface at NAMM 
in January so I hardly have a true picture of the potential. Much like the case 
with other control panel software, a lot can be done with Keyboard Maestro. If 
I upgrade one of my Symphony chassises, I'll surely go through the trouble of 
customizing a macro group specifically for the Apogee software. Again, I should 
point out the Apogee Control hardware (costing $200) that allows you to control 
preamp volumes remotely. If I were going for an Elements interface, I'd surely 
go for the hardware remote for instant access.
Slau

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Nathaniel Kile  wrote:
> 
> Hello Slau,
> Thanks for taking the time to respond to my question. I have been reading up 
> on the Elements interface now and am very interested. 
> I have a question, can you access all of the necessary settings through the 
> PT panel to take advantage of the Elements features.
> 
> Thanks, 
> Nate 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of TheOreoMonster
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:46 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: question about new audio interface for traveling purposes and 
> good microphone suggestions
> 
> Thats annoying as I was still considering an ensemble one day and they 
> updated the ensemble to use the elements control software now.  But if the 
> iOS app works then thats a start. Hopefully One can pair iOS to the device or 
> desktop app independently. Thats the downside with the Focusrite stuff, you 
> need sighted assistance to pair the iOS app to the desktop app. 
> 
>> On Sep 13, 2017, at 11:33 PM, Slau Halatyn  wrote:
>> 
>> Even if the interface displays different things, it's possible to customize 
>> it so that macros are specific to the connected interface. A lot can be 
>> accomplished but it's a matter of having access to the hardware in order to 
>> run the software as a start.
>> 
>> The software for the Elements interfaces is somewhat accessible and, again, 
>> Keyboard Maestro can help. The story is exactly the same: I need to have the 
>> hardware in order to make it work. Once the work is done for one interface, 
>> it's not terribly difficult to adapt it for other interfaces. It's not a 
>> 100% solution but it can help a great deal.
>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2017, at 11:13 PM, TheOreoMonster  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The second gen scarlet and the Clarett are using the same control software. 
>>> The difficulty  with Keyboard Maestro may be if it shows a different 
>>> interface for each device type. Any idea if the Element Mac software is 
>>> accessible or will we have to rely on the iOS software? 
 On Sep 13, 2017, at 6:38 PM, Slau Halatyn  wrote:
 
 Apogee Element is a bit more expensive but 8 I/O and the iOS app is 
 accessible. regarding the focusrite panel, I can probably make it pretty 
 accessible through Keyboard Maestro. Curious if the Scarlet and Claret 
 panels are the same. My brother just got one of those and I can probably 
 grab it for testing purposes for the software.
 
 Slau
 
> On Sep 13, 2017, at 6:12 PM, Steve Martin  
> wrote:
> 
> Portable and 8 combi inputs? Not sure that exist as anything with that 
> many inputs usually ends up being 

Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

[TheOreoMonster]

IF you end up going UAD get the Quad if you can afford it. I had the Duo from 
the first gen and could run out of processing power in larger projects if I 
wanted to use a few instances across numerous tracks. 

> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:13 AM, Nathaniel Kile  wrote:
> 
> I am still more or less left with the same question, Ha, hHa! Well, at this 
> point I am drifting over to the UA camp, simply because of the dedicated 
> buttons, but I have heard some sweet stuff from the Apogee Element line. I 
> will let you guys know if I pull the trigger on anything.
> 
> 
> 
> Nate Kile,
> Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision 
> Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
> instruction for schools
> Also Private training to your needs
> 907-444-3707
> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office 
> products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
> www.yourtechvision.com 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of TheOreoMonster
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:58 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
> 
> More specifically I am suggesting those making music or teaching videos won’t 
> necessarily need the additional expense of Pro Tools HD and its additional 
> specific  interfaces. A modern computer with any 3rd party thunderbolt 
> interface will perform on par for a lot less money.
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 9:48 PM, Andre Jarreau  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Are you suggesting there is a better interface for those making music and 
>> teaching videos?  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of TheOreoMonster
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:49 PM
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
>> 
>> Allow me to clarify what I meant by not worth the money. Didn’t mean they 
>> weren’t great sounding interfaces. More What I meant was they weren’t worth 
>> the money as in cost. They are more expensive (and also requires you to 
>> upgrade to a ProTools HD license)  and so I don’t consider them a value 
>> compared to the current ben 3rd party interfaces that are in the same 
>> ballpark Latency wise and work fine with non HD Pro Tools. Unless you are 
>> managing large film projects or something like that, a modern computer and 
>> modern Thunderbolt interface are more than plenty sufficient for even big 
>> projects now, especially for music only projects. And I believe, given that 
>> this is a mailing list for blind users thats what most of us are dealing 
>> with. 
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 7:35 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Steve,
>>> 
>>> Have you used a HD I/O 16x16 from Avid?
>>> I can't even begin to count how many songs you might listen to were done 
>>> with it?
>>> I use it every day and would be glad to send you off list some music 
>>> produced by it! :) Chuck "God does not play dice with the universe"
>>> "Albert Einstein’
>>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 10:11 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>> 
 Also the only DAW you can control an Apogee interface from within is 
 Logic. The only interfaces you can control from within ProTools is 
 one of the Avid interfaces, and they haven’t updated any of those in 
 a few years so none are really worth the money right now. As Slau 
 said, interfaces are generally controlled from their stand alone 
 apps and not from with in a DAW except in rare cases like pointed 
 out above. So yes you can still use Apogee interfaces in Pro Tools 
 you just won’t be able to control them from within Pro Tools
 
> On Nov 13, 2017, at 9:16 PM, Andre Jarreau  
> wrote:
> 
> Ok, I'm new to Mac and have even less knowledge of Keyboard Maestro.  
> 
> Do you know of an audio interface similar to the APOGEE thunderbolt 
> Element 46 that might be more accessible friendly?
> 
> Or should I bite the bullet and learn Keyboard Maestro?
> 
> I am open to suggestion.
> 
> Thanks
> Andre J.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Slau Halatyn
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:58 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
> 
> Nah, you can't control it from within Pro Tools. It's a stand-alone 
> application. It might be possible to create macros to control it a bit 
> with Keyboard Maestro but it won't have anything to do with Flo Tools.
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Andre Jarreau  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, Apogee support does not know how 

RE: FYI, thanks

[Nathaniel Kile]

Thanks Brian, 

I will check it out and give you some feedback off list.

 

 

 

Nate Kile,

Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision 

Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
instruction for schools

Also Private training to your needs

907-444-3707

Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office 
products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes:  
 www.yourtechvision.com 

 

 

From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Brian Casey
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:45 AM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: FYI, thanks

 

I have been tied up with projects for others as tends to happen, but have 
released a couple new tracks, and thanks for asking btw!

 

If spotify is your thing here's some of my stuff:

 

https://open.spotify.com/user/1155677850/playlist/5cKG2lssU5DpCEQEg2M3bj?si=uaXmg4oKRqiqWJPxkcIsVA

 

And here's a rather diverse show reel of my production/mixing work:

 

https://open.spotify.com/user/1155677850/playlist/5IWprVa4QqRHeg2CLxxYqv?si=Ok64GnvlSX6BdWFNtNa_CA

 

Sorry all for straying off topic, feel free to hit me up off list anytime Nate, 

Brian. 

Sent from my smart-ish phone!


On 14/11/2017, at 3:58 PM, Nathaniel Kile  > wrote:

Hello Bryan, 

Glad to see that you are still around here. I hope that all is well in your 
camp. Have you released any projects over the last 2 years?

 

Nate Kile,

Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision 

Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
instruction for schools

Also Private training to your needs

907-444-3707

Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office 
products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
www.yourtechvision.com   

 

 

 

From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Casey
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 12:15 AM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: FYI, thanks

 

Sorry to hear about your hardships Nate, very glad you have turned a corner. 

 

You've always been a good voice to have on here and midi mag when I was on it, 
and you are right, there's a hand full of people on this list that are making a 
huge difference to the working/creative lives of the rest of us. 

 

Well said Nate and glad you're getting back in the game somewhat, it seems an 
exciting time in PT access world.  

Sent from my smart-ish phone!


On 14/11/2017, at 6:54 AM, Nathaniel Kile  > wrote:

Hello list,

As some of you may notice, I do not post to the list so much anymore, about 2 
years ago my life took a major twist. I went through a divorce after a 16 year 
marriage. I walked away from a toxic situation and left all of my assets behind.

Around that time I started working at my local center for the blind and my life 
took off from that point on. The Center was a grave yard when I first came on, 
we did about 25 hours of training a month and it was a depressing place to be. 
I was given the flexibility to pursue some ideas and build some relationships 
with the local VR councilors and now, almost two years later we are averaging 
about 150 hours a month in training hours and I am not only the AT instructor, 
but I am the youth transition coordinator, the residential monitor with a three 
bedroom apartment, and I also work with the local university as well as with 
Dr. Denise Robinson, who was mentored by Dr Abraham Nemeth and Mr. Linux. My 
life has been quite the adventure this last year.

In the mean while I have had the studio packed away and as of tonight I ordered 
Pro Tools 12 to make the upgrade. I want to thank this list, and all who have 
continued to contribute to the Pro Tools community, I feel that without this 
list I could have completely drifted away from recording, but as I continually 
see the messages in my in box and occasionally read them, I still have felt the 
passion for recording flowing through my veins. As I move forward into this new 
chapter in my life I hope to be able to pass this gift of recording with Pro 
Tools on to others, giving the gift of a viable trade to other blind persons as 
well as a love for music. I want to say thanks to all who have kept pushing 
forward, carving out a trail for others to walk, you guys have put in so much 
of the work and as people like me reap the rewards of your labor, I say thank 
you and I take my hat off for your faithfulness.

 

 

Nate Kile,

Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision 

Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
instruction for schools

Also Private training to your needs

907-444-3707

Website with hundreds of informational articles & 

RE: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

[Nathaniel Kile]

I am still more or less left with the same question, Ha, hHa! Well, at this 
point I am drifting over to the UA camp, simply because of the dedicated 
buttons, but I have heard some sweet stuff from the Apogee Element line. I will 
let you guys know if I pull the trigger on anything.



Nate Kile,
Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision 
Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
instruction for schools
Also Private training to your needs
907-444-3707
Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office 
products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
www.yourtechvision.com 


-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
TheOreoMonster
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:58 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

More specifically I am suggesting those making music or teaching videos won’t 
necessarily need the additional expense of Pro Tools HD and its additional 
specific  interfaces. A modern computer with any 3rd party thunderbolt 
interface will perform on par for a lot less money.

> On Nov 14, 2017, at 9:48 PM, Andre Jarreau  
> wrote:
> 
> Are you suggesting there is a better interface for those making music and 
> teaching videos?  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of TheOreoMonster
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:49 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
> 
> Allow me to clarify what I meant by not worth the money. Didn’t mean they 
> weren’t great sounding interfaces. More What I meant was they weren’t worth 
> the money as in cost. They are more expensive (and also requires you to 
> upgrade to a ProTools HD license)  and so I don’t consider them a value 
> compared to the current ben 3rd party interfaces that are in the same 
> ballpark Latency wise and work fine with non HD Pro Tools. Unless you are 
> managing large film projects or something like that, a modern computer and 
> modern Thunderbolt interface are more than plenty sufficient for even big 
> projects now, especially for music only projects. And I believe, given that 
> this is a mailing list for blind users thats what most of us are dealing 
> with. 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 7:35 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Steve,
>> 
>> Have you used a HD I/O 16x16 from Avid?
>> I can't even begin to count how many songs you might listen to were done 
>> with it?
>> I use it every day and would be glad to send you off list some music 
>> produced by it! :) Chuck "God does not play dice with the universe"
>> "Albert Einstein’
>> 
>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 10:11 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>> 
>>> Also the only DAW you can control an Apogee interface from within is 
>>> Logic. The only interfaces you can control from within ProTools is 
>>> one of the Avid interfaces, and they haven’t updated any of those in 
>>> a few years so none are really worth the money right now. As Slau 
>>> said, interfaces are generally controlled from their stand alone 
>>> apps and not from with in a DAW except in rare cases like pointed 
>>> out above. So yes you can still use Apogee interfaces in Pro Tools 
>>> you just won’t be able to control them from within Pro Tools
>>> 
 On Nov 13, 2017, at 9:16 PM, Andre Jarreau  
 wrote:
 
 Ok, I'm new to Mac and have even less knowledge of Keyboard Maestro.  
 
 Do you know of an audio interface similar to the APOGEE thunderbolt 
 Element 46 that might be more accessible friendly?
 
 Or should I bite the bullet and learn Keyboard Maestro?
 
 I am open to suggestion.
 
 Thanks
 Andre J.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Slau Halatyn
 Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:58 PM
 To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
 
 Nah, you can't control it from within Pro Tools. It's a stand-alone 
 application. It might be possible to create macros to control it a bit 
 with Keyboard Maestro but it won't have anything to do with Flo Tools.
 
> On Nov 13, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Andre Jarreau  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, Apogee support does not know how FlowTools works.  
> 
> My thought is if the APOGEE plugs into PT then regardless of of pass 
> through, USB or Thunderbolt, FlowTools stands a chance of controlling it 
> through PT.  
> 
> If anybody out there knows for sure one way or the other please let me 
> know.
> 
> Thanks
> Andre
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 

Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

[TheOreoMonster]

More specifically I am suggesting those making music or teaching videos won’t 
necessarily need the additional expense of Pro Tools HD and its additional 
specific  interfaces. A modern computer with any 3rd party thunderbolt 
interface will perform on par for a lot less money.

> On Nov 14, 2017, at 9:48 PM, Andre Jarreau  
> wrote:
> 
> Are you suggesting there is a better interface for those making music and 
> teaching videos?  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of TheOreoMonster
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:49 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
> 
> Allow me to clarify what I meant by not worth the money. Didn’t mean they 
> weren’t great sounding interfaces. More What I meant was they weren’t worth 
> the money as in cost. They are more expensive (and also requires you to 
> upgrade to a ProTools HD license)  and so I don’t consider them a value 
> compared to the current ben 3rd party interfaces that are in the same 
> ballpark Latency wise and work fine with non HD Pro Tools. Unless you are 
> managing large film projects or something like that, a modern computer and 
> modern Thunderbolt interface are more than plenty sufficient for even big 
> projects now, especially for music only projects. And I believe, given that 
> this is a mailing list for blind users thats what most of us are dealing 
> with. 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 7:35 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Steve,
>> 
>> Have you used a HD I/O 16x16 from Avid?
>> I can't even begin to count how many songs you might listen to were done 
>> with it?
>> I use it every day and would be glad to send you off list some music 
>> produced by it! :) Chuck "God does not play dice with the universe"
>> "Albert Einstein’
>> 
>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 10:11 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>> 
>>> Also the only DAW you can control an Apogee interface from within is 
>>> Logic. The only interfaces you can control from within ProTools is 
>>> one of the Avid interfaces, and they haven’t updated any of those in 
>>> a few years so none are really worth the money right now. As Slau 
>>> said, interfaces are generally controlled from their stand alone apps  
>>> and not from with in a DAW except in rare cases like pointed out 
>>> above. So yes you can still use Apogee interfaces in Pro Tools you 
>>> just won’t be able to control them from within Pro Tools
>>> 
 On Nov 13, 2017, at 9:16 PM, Andre Jarreau  
 wrote:
 
 Ok, I'm new to Mac and have even less knowledge of Keyboard Maestro.  
 
 Do you know of an audio interface similar to the APOGEE thunderbolt 
 Element 46 that might be more accessible friendly?
 
 Or should I bite the bullet and learn Keyboard Maestro?
 
 I am open to suggestion.
 
 Thanks
 Andre J.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] 
 On Behalf Of Slau Halatyn
 Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:58 PM
 To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
 
 Nah, you can't control it from within Pro Tools. It's a stand-alone 
 application. It might be possible to create macros to control it a bit 
 with Keyboard Maestro but it won't have anything to do with Flo Tools.
 
> On Nov 13, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Andre Jarreau  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, Apogee support does not know how FlowTools works.  
> 
> My thought is if the APOGEE plugs into PT then regardless of of pass 
> through, USB or Thunderbolt, FlowTools stands a chance of controlling it 
> through PT.  
> 
> If anybody out there knows for sure one way or the other please let me 
> know.
> 
> Thanks
> Andre
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] 
> On Behalf Of Steve Martin
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 12:19 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
> 
> Have you contacted Apogee Support?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 9:03 AM, Alex Coleman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Andre,
>> Regarding the Apogee Element 46, I have recently purchased that 
>> exact interface and am having issues setting it up using voiceover.
>> There is an IOS app that you can download that looks accessible 
>> and allows you to set up your interface from an iPhone or iPad, etc.
>> However, I am having issues getting my iPhone to connect to my 
>> Element 46, even though the iPhone app can see my Element 
>> connected to my Makbook Pro.
>> That being said, someone else 

RE: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

[Andre Jarreau]

Are you suggesting there is a better interface for those making music and 
teaching videos?  

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
TheOreoMonster
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:49 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

Allow me to clarify what I meant by not worth the money. Didn’t mean they 
weren’t great sounding interfaces. More What I meant was they weren’t worth the 
money as in cost. They are more expensive (and also requires you to upgrade to 
a ProTools HD license)  and so I don’t consider them a value compared to the 
current ben 3rd party interfaces that are in the same ballpark Latency wise and 
work fine with non HD Pro Tools. Unless you are managing large film projects or 
something like that, a modern computer and modern Thunderbolt interface are 
more than plenty sufficient for even big projects now, especially for music 
only projects. And I believe, given that this is a mailing list for blind users 
thats what most of us are dealing with. 

> On Nov 14, 2017, at 7:35 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> Have you used a HD I/O 16x16 from Avid?
> I can't even begin to count how many songs you might listen to were done with 
> it?
> I use it every day and would be glad to send you off list some music 
> produced by it! :) Chuck "God does not play dice with the universe"
> "Albert Einstein’
> 
> On Nov 13, 2017, at 10:11 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
> 
>> Also the only DAW you can control an Apogee interface from within is 
>> Logic. The only interfaces you can control from within ProTools is 
>> one of the Avid interfaces, and they haven’t updated any of those in 
>> a few years so none are really worth the money right now. As Slau 
>> said, interfaces are generally controlled from their stand alone apps  
>> and not from with in a DAW except in rare cases like pointed out 
>> above. So yes you can still use Apogee interfaces in Pro Tools you 
>> just won’t be able to control them from within Pro Tools
>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 9:16 PM, Andre Jarreau  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, I'm new to Mac and have even less knowledge of Keyboard Maestro.  
>>> 
>>> Do you know of an audio interface similar to the APOGEE thunderbolt Element 
>>> 46 that might be more accessible friendly?
>>> 
>>> Or should I bite the bullet and learn Keyboard Maestro?
>>> 
>>> I am open to suggestion.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Andre J.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] 
>>> On Behalf Of Slau Halatyn
>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:58 PM
>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
>>> 
>>> Nah, you can't control it from within Pro Tools. It's a stand-alone 
>>> application. It might be possible to create macros to control it a bit with 
>>> Keyboard Maestro but it won't have anything to do with Flo Tools.
>>> 
 On Nov 13, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Andre Jarreau  
 wrote:
 
 Yes, Apogee support does not know how FlowTools works.  
 
 My thought is if the APOGEE plugs into PT then regardless of of pass 
 through, USB or Thunderbolt, FlowTools stands a chance of controlling it 
 through PT.  
 
 If anybody out there knows for sure one way or the other please let me 
 know.
 
 Thanks
 Andre
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] 
 On Behalf Of Steve Martin
 Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 12:19 PM
 To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
 
 Have you contacted Apogee Support?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 13, 2017, at 9:03 AM, Alex Coleman  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Andre,
> Regarding the Apogee Element 46, I have recently purchased that 
> exact interface and am having issues setting it up using voiceover.
> There is an IOS app that you can download that looks accessible 
> and allows you to set up your interface from an iPhone or iPad, etc.
> However, I am having issues getting my iPhone to connect to my 
> Element 46, even though the iPhone app can see my Element 
> connected to my Makbook Pro.
> That being said, someone else (can't remember exactly who) on this 
> list is using the IOS app successfully, so I'm assuming that my 
> problems are specific to my particular system.
> If I come up with a solution, I'll try to post an update.
> 
> Concerning your question about decoupling your monitors from their 
> stands, generally speaking, any type of additional isolation that 
> can be implemented to help eliminate any unwanted 
> vibrations/reflections/etc. would be advisable. It all just 

Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

[TheOreoMonster]

Allow me to clarify what I meant by not worth the money. Didn’t mean they 
weren’t great sounding interfaces. More What I meant was they weren’t worth the 
money as in cost. They are more expensive (and also requires you to upgrade to 
a ProTools HD license)  and so I don’t consider them a value compared to the 
current ben 3rd party interfaces that are in the same ballpark Latency wise and 
work fine with non HD Pro Tools. Unless you are managing large film projects or 
something like that, a modern computer and modern Thunderbolt interface are 
more than plenty sufficient for even big projects now, especially for music 
only projects. And I believe, given that this is a mailing list for blind users 
thats what most of us are dealing with. 

> On Nov 14, 2017, at 7:35 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> Have you used a HD I/O 16x16 from Avid?
> I can't even begin to count how many songs you might listen to were done with 
> it?
> I use it every day and would be glad to send you off list some music produced 
> by it! :)
> Chuck
> "God does not play dice with the universe"
> "Albert Einstein’
> 
> On Nov 13, 2017, at 10:11 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
> 
>> Also the only DAW you can control an Apogee interface from within is Logic. 
>> The only interfaces you can control from within ProTools is one of the Avid 
>> interfaces, and they haven’t updated any of those in a few years so none are 
>> really worth the money right now. As Slau said, interfaces are generally 
>> controlled from their stand alone apps  and not from with in a DAW except in 
>> rare cases like pointed out above. So yes you can still use Apogee 
>> interfaces in Pro Tools you just won’t be able to control them from within 
>> Pro Tools 
>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 9:16 PM, Andre Jarreau  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, I'm new to Mac and have even less knowledge of Keyboard Maestro.  
>>> 
>>> Do you know of an audio interface similar to the APOGEE thunderbolt Element 
>>> 46 that might be more accessible friendly?
>>> 
>>> Or should I bite the bullet and learn Keyboard Maestro?
>>> 
>>> I am open to suggestion.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Andre J.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Slau Halatyn
>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:58 PM
>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
>>> 
>>> Nah, you can't control it from within Pro Tools. It's a stand-alone 
>>> application. It might be possible to create macros to control it a bit with 
>>> Keyboard Maestro but it won't have anything to do with Flo Tools.
>>> 
 On Nov 13, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Andre Jarreau  
 wrote:
 
 Yes, Apogee support does not know how FlowTools works.  
 
 My thought is if the APOGEE plugs into PT then regardless of of pass 
 through, USB or Thunderbolt, FlowTools stands a chance of controlling it 
 through PT.  
 
 If anybody out there knows for sure one way or the other please let me 
 know.
 
 Thanks
 Andre
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Steve Martin
 Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 12:19 PM
 To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
 
 Have you contacted Apogee Support?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 13, 2017, at 9:03 AM, Alex Coleman  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Andre,
> Regarding the Apogee Element 46, I have recently purchased that exact 
> interface and am having issues setting it up using voiceover.
> There is an IOS app that you can download that looks accessible and 
> allows you to set up your interface from an iPhone or iPad, etc.
> However, I am having issues getting my iPhone to connect to my 
> Element 46, even though the iPhone app can see my Element connected 
> to my Makbook Pro.
> That being said, someone else (can't remember exactly who) on this 
> list is using the IOS app successfully, so I'm assuming that my 
> problems are specific to my particular system.
> If I come up with a solution, I'll try to post an update.
> 
> Concerning your question about decoupling your monitors from their 
> stands, generally speaking, any type of additional isolation that can 
> be implemented to help eliminate any unwanted 
> vibrations/reflections/etc. would be advisable. It all just depends 
> on your specific mixing environment.
> 
> HTH
> 
> 
>> On 11/10/17, Andre Jarreau  wrote:
>> Hi List,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I am trying to find out if an APOGEE thunderbolt Element 46 is 
>> accessible using FlowTools-PT on a Mac Book Pro.  Or is some kind 

Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

[TheOreoMonster]

Where can one find the open Sound control app or more info atlas on the windows 
version thats currently available?

Thanks,

> On Nov 14, 2017, at 6:07 AM, Phil Muir  
> wrote:
> 
> Brian.  Great post.  Just to add that long term there could be some better
> options available also on the Mac side.  E.G. the Open Sound Control app
> that has been developed for use on Windows is also being ported to Mac
> although Can needs to work out a few bugs on it.  Still if your interface
> uses the Open Sound Control network protocol then this could be potentially
> great news.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Brian Casey
> Sent: 14 November 2017 09:34
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
> 
> Extremely well put, I am coming from the perspective of using an analog
> oriented workflow on the tracking side, I supose my underlying point is we
> should carefully examine our actual needs and what we can and can't live
> without.
> 
> The UA stuff is great and tracking through unison would be wesome to have
> access to, but they are great products without touching that I'd imagine.
> Presumably you could save a preset work space to always track through a neve
> front end or something, which would extract some of the extra value/fun of
> unison. 
> 
> Audient interfaces are another fine USB option but again no accessibility on
> their mixer software, so to me RME is the most accessible I've found once
> you have a control surface and some patience. 
> 
> This is an important discussion to have I think because blind and visually
> impaired users are almost more restricted with interface options in the
> medium term than with software. 
> 
> As someone running a studio as a business myself I tend to feel I am best
> served by letting as little of the work as possible to the
> software/interface systems, but that isn't the entirely the way to go
> because of modern workflows and creativity. 
> 
> Sorry for the meandering message! 
> 
> I better get mixing!
> 
> Brian. 
> 
> Sent from my smart-ish phone!
> 
>> On 14/11/2017, at 8:57 AM, TheOreoMonster 
> wrote:
>> 
>> Fair points, however Except in the cases of the high end interfaces
> (Antelope & RME) USB latency isn't as low as TB. Granted anything under 10ms
> may not be noticeable but USB still has the CPU hit that FW & TB doesn't.
> Also FW ports are disappearing so you will need a dongle or a doc to use
> them in the future. Also if you notice on the Antelope devices the USB
> limits the number of I/O which isn't limited when the same devices are used
> over Thunderbolt. So yes I agree a lot of it is marketing hype, but my real
> world experiences of having used all 3 (I too had an A FW mixer for years)
> and especially having used TB and USB in the last year especially, When it
> comes to running big sessions and tracking through plug ins, USB still feels
> sluggish in comparison to TB devices.I say all that to say , the AudioFUse
> is USB 3, and claims to get 3ms of latency which is only about 1.5ms more
> than TB devices, and has everything you will need available on the physical
> hardware unit so you will probably never need to launch its control panel.
> So yeah, exceptions to the rule and all. 
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 3:27 AM, Brian Casey 
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Nate, 
>>> 
>>> As a quick note, firewire and usb aren't as restrictive as thunderbolt
> marketing hype might suggest, for example the Allem and Heath interface card
> in my console does 32 in and 32 out over firewire 400 with no problem, RME
> and antilope also get huge results with usb based interfaces. 
>>> 
>>> I had an RME fireface UFX in the past, while its own mixer and routing
> software wasn't accessible with a screenreader I was able to create monitor
> mixes, route audio and use many of its monitor control type functionality as
> it could be controled with a control surface using HUI protocol. At the time
> I controled it with a BCF 2000 and it was actually a great system and I was
> omly missing out on access to a small portion of its functions. 
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately the trend in interfaces is towards proprietary  on board
> features that are as inaccessible as they ar awesome. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my smart-ish phone!
>>> 
 On 14/11/2017, at 3:16 AM, Nathaniel Kile 
> wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I am still going back and forth between the Apogee and the Apollo but
> neither seem to be completely accessible. I am looking at the new Apollo's
> with the quad shark processors, but the unison technology does not seem to
> be accessible and I don't want to buy something and only be able to use half
> of its features. What are you using? I am in the $1500 to $2000 range.
 Any suggestions? I have a couple clean pres, and thought about simply
> 

Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

[TheOreoMonster]

Brian, I think you and I are in agreement here. The main reason I had the Allen 
& Heath Firewire Mixer was less “analog workflow” and more the fact that it was 
a one button one function interface that didn’t  require me to get into the 
software for anything. The  analog workflow was just icing on the cake. Even 
though the UAD Apollo stuff wasn’t one button one function, it had enough 
hardware buttons and was set up in a manner that it could still be accessed…. 
Except for the unison stuff. The problem with using Unison presets is you would 
still need sighted assistance to set up and load those, or use some basic 
scripts from something like KeyboardMaestro to load them once they been set up. 
This is why I suggest just getting the satellite cards so you can just use the 
UAD plug ins in the DAW where they are accessible and forgo the Unison stuff. 
So yeah I wish we could choose from any interface out there but then again 
limiting your options forgo some of the overwhelming nature or option 
parallalsys that comes with having too many to choose from, or atlas thats what 
I tell myself.
> On Nov 14, 2017, at 4:33 AM, Brian Casey  
> wrote:
> 
> Extremely well put, I am coming from the perspective of using an analog 
> oriented workflow on the tracking side, I supose my underlying point is we 
> should carefully examine our actual needs and what we can and can't live 
> without.
> 
> The UA stuff is great and tracking through unison would be wesome to have 
> access to, but they are great products without touching that I'd imagine. 
> Presumably you could save a preset work space to always track through a neve 
> front end or something, which would extract some of the extra value/fun of 
> unison. 
> 
> Audient interfaces are another fine USB option but again no accessibility on 
> their mixer software, so to me RME is the most accessible I've found once you 
> have a control surface and some patience. 
> 
> This is an important discussion to have I think because blind and visually 
> impaired users are almost more restricted with interface options in the 
> medium term than with software. 
> 
> As someone running a studio as a business myself I tend to feel I am best 
> served by letting as little of the work as possible to the software/interface 
> systems, but that isn't the entirely the way to go because of modern 
> workflows and creativity. 
> 
> Sorry for the meandering message! 
> 
> I better get mixing!
> 
> Brian. 
> 
> Sent from my smart-ish phone!
> 
>> On 14/11/2017, at 8:57 AM, TheOreoMonster  wrote:
>> 
>> Fair points, however Except in the cases of the high end interfaces  
>> (Antelope & RME) USB latency isn’t as low as TB. Granted anything under 10ms 
>> may not be noticeable but USB still has the CPU hit that FW & TB doesn’t. 
>> Also FW ports are disappearing so you will need a dongle or a doc to use 
>> them in the future. Also if you notice on the Antelope devices the USB 
>> limits the number of I/O which isn’t limited when the same devices are used 
>> over Thunderbolt. So yes I agree a lot of it is marketing hype, but my real 
>> world experiences of having used all 3 (I too had an A FW mixer for years) 
>> and especially having used TB and USB in the last year especially, When it 
>> comes to running big sessions and tracking through plug ins, USB still feels 
>> sluggish in comparison to TB devices.I say all that to say , the AudioFUse 
>> is USB 3, and claims to get 3ms of latency which is only about 1.5ms more 
>> than TB devices, and has everything you will need available on the physical 
>> hardware unit so you will probably never need to launch its control panel.  
>> So yeah, exceptions to the rule and all. 
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 3:27 AM, Brian Casey  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Nate, 
>>> 
>>> As a quick note, firewire and usb aren't as restrictive as thunderbolt 
>>> marketing hype might suggest, for example the Allem and Heath interface 
>>> card in my console does 32 in and 32 out over firewire 400 with no problem, 
>>> RME and antilope also get huge results with usb based interfaces. 
>>> 
>>> I had an RME fireface UFX in the past, while its own mixer and routing 
>>> software wasn't accessible with a screenreader I was able to create monitor 
>>> mixes, route audio and use many of its monitor control type functionality 
>>> as it could be controled with a control surface using HUI protocol. At the 
>>> time I controled it with a BCF 2000 and it was actually a great system and 
>>> I was omly missing out on access to a small portion of its functions. 
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately the trend in interfaces is towards proprietary  on board 
>>> features that are as inaccessible as they ar awesome. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my smart-ish phone!
>>> 
 On 14/11/2017, at 3:16 AM, Nathaniel Kile  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I am still going back and forth between the 

Re: FYI, thanks

[Brian Casey]

I have been tied up with projects for others as tends to happen, but have 
released a couple new tracks, and thanks for asking btw!

If spotify is your thing here's some of my stuff:

https://open.spotify.com/user/1155677850/playlist/5cKG2lssU5DpCEQEg2M3bj?si=uaXmg4oKRqiqWJPxkcIsVA

And here's a rather diverse show reel of my production/mixing work:

https://open.spotify.com/user/1155677850/playlist/5IWprVa4QqRHeg2CLxxYqv?si=Ok64GnvlSX6BdWFNtNa_CA

Sorry all for straying off topic, feel free to hit me up off list anytime Nate, 
Brian. 

Sent from my smart-ish phone!

> On 14/11/2017, at 3:58 PM, Nathaniel Kile  wrote:
> 
> Hello Bryan,
> Glad to see that you are still around here. I hope that all is well in your 
> camp. Have you released any projects over the last 2 years?
>  
> Nate Kile,
> Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision
> Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
> instruction for schools
> Also Private training to your needs
> 907-444-3707
> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office 
> products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
> www.yourtechvision.com
>  
>  
>  
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Brian Casey
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 12:15 AM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: FYI, thanks
>  
> Sorry to hear about your hardships Nate, very glad you have turned a corner. 
>  
> You've always been a good voice to have on here and midi mag when I was on 
> it, and you are right, there's a hand full of people on this list that are 
> making a huge difference to the working/creative lives of the rest of us. 
>  
> Well said Nate and glad you're getting back in the game somewhat, it seems an 
> exciting time in PT access world.  
> 
> Sent from my smart-ish phone!
> 
> On 14/11/2017, at 6:54 AM, Nathaniel Kile  wrote:
> 
> Hello list,
> As some of you may notice, I do not post to the list so much anymore, about 2 
> years ago my life took a major twist. I went through a divorce after a 16 
> year marriage. I walked away from a toxic situation and left all of my assets 
> behind.
> Around that time I started working at my local center for the blind and my 
> life took off from that point on. The Center was a grave yard when I first 
> came on, we did about 25 hours of training a month and it was a depressing 
> place to be. I was given the flexibility to pursue some ideas and build some 
> relationships with the local VR councilors and now, almost two years later we 
> are averaging about 150 hours a month in training hours and I am not only the 
> AT instructor, but I am the youth transition coordinator, the residential 
> monitor with a three bedroom apartment, and I also work with the local 
> university as well as with Dr. Denise Robinson, who was mentored by Dr 
> Abraham Nemeth and Mr. Linux. My life has been quite the adventure this last 
> year.
> In the mean while I have had the studio packed away and as of tonight I 
> ordered Pro Tools 12 to make the upgrade. I want to thank this list, and all 
> who have continued to contribute to the Pro Tools community, I feel that 
> without this list I could have completely drifted away from recording, but as 
> I continually see the messages in my in box and occasionally read them, I 
> still have felt the passion for recording flowing through my veins. As I move 
> forward into this new chapter in my life I hope to be able to pass this gift 
> of recording with Pro Tools on to others, giving the gift of a viable trade 
> to other blind persons as well as a love for music. I want to say thanks to 
> all who have kept pushing forward, carving out a trail for others to walk, 
> you guys have put in so much of the work and as people like me reap the 
> rewards of your labor, I say thank you and I take my hat off for your 
> faithfulness.
>  
>  
> Nate Kile,
> Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision
> Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
> instruction for schools
> Also Private training to your needs
> 907-444-3707
> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office 
> products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
> www.yourtechvision.com
>  
>  
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RE: FYI, thanks

[Nathaniel Kile]

Hello Bryan, 

Glad to see that you are still around here. I hope that all is well in your 
camp. Have you released any projects over the last 2 years?

 

Nate Kile,

Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision 

Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
instruction for schools

Also Private training to your needs

907-444-3707

Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office 
products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
www.yourtechvision.com   

 

 

 

From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Brian Casey
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 12:15 AM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: FYI, thanks

 

Sorry to hear about your hardships Nate, very glad you have turned a corner. 

 

You've always been a good voice to have on here and midi mag when I was on it, 
and you are right, there's a hand full of people on this list that are making a 
huge difference to the working/creative lives of the rest of us. 

 

Well said Nate and glad you're getting back in the game somewhat, it seems an 
exciting time in PT access world.  

Sent from my smart-ish phone!


On 14/11/2017, at 6:54 AM, Nathaniel Kile  > wrote:

Hello list,

As some of you may notice, I do not post to the list so much anymore, about 2 
years ago my life took a major twist. I went through a divorce after a 16 year 
marriage. I walked away from a toxic situation and left all of my assets behind.

Around that time I started working at my local center for the blind and my life 
took off from that point on. The Center was a grave yard when I first came on, 
we did about 25 hours of training a month and it was a depressing place to be. 
I was given the flexibility to pursue some ideas and build some relationships 
with the local VR councilors and now, almost two years later we are averaging 
about 150 hours a month in training hours and I am not only the AT instructor, 
but I am the youth transition coordinator, the residential monitor with a three 
bedroom apartment, and I also work with the local university as well as with 
Dr. Denise Robinson, who was mentored by Dr Abraham Nemeth and Mr. Linux. My 
life has been quite the adventure this last year.

In the mean while I have had the studio packed away and as of tonight I ordered 
Pro Tools 12 to make the upgrade. I want to thank this list, and all who have 
continued to contribute to the Pro Tools community, I feel that without this 
list I could have completely drifted away from recording, but as I continually 
see the messages in my in box and occasionally read them, I still have felt the 
passion for recording flowing through my veins. As I move forward into this new 
chapter in my life I hope to be able to pass this gift of recording with Pro 
Tools on to others, giving the gift of a viable trade to other blind persons as 
well as a love for music. I want to say thanks to all who have kept pushing 
forward, carving out a trail for others to walk, you guys have put in so much 
of the work and as people like me reap the rewards of your labor, I say thank 
you and I take my hat off for your faithfulness.

 

 

Nate Kile,

Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision 

Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
instruction for schools

Also Private training to your needs

907-444-3707

Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office 
products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
www.yourtechvision.com   

 

 

 

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Re: PT Avid certification

[Chris Smart]

hopefully difficult, or else people would just read the manual.

At 11:11 PM 11/13/2017, you wrote:

And, how difficult was it?
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- Original Message -
From: Nathaniel Kile
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 10:06 PM
Subject: PT Avid certification

Hello list,

Here at my work, a training center, management and I are talking 
about trying to bring in an engineering training program. We are 
thinking of ways to make it official in order for VR counselors to 
support sending clients to the program. I am wondering if anyone has 
gone through the Avid certification program and if so, was it online 
or in person, what was the price and the length of time that it took 
to complete.


Any thoughts on this will be appreciated.

Nate Kile,

Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision

Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low 
vision/virtual instruction for schools


Also Private training to your needs

907-444-3707

Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, 
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Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

[Brian Casey]

I haven't read about OSC since my masters a few years back but again RME have 
been early adopters of that protocol. 

Haha, the way I keep referencing RME you would never think I sold my fireface 
on!



Sent from my smart-ish phone!

> On 14/11/2017, at 11:07 AM, Phil Muir  
> wrote:
> 
> Brian.  Great post.  Just to add that long term there could be some better
> options available also on the Mac side.  E.G. the Open Sound Control app
> that has been developed for use on Windows is also being ported to Mac
> although Can needs to work out a few bugs on it.  Still if your interface
> uses the Open Sound Control network protocol then this could be potentially
> great news.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Brian Casey
> Sent: 14 November 2017 09:34
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
> 
> Extremely well put, I am coming from the perspective of using an analog
> oriented workflow on the tracking side, I supose my underlying point is we
> should carefully examine our actual needs and what we can and can't live
> without.
> 
> The UA stuff is great and tracking through unison would be wesome to have
> access to, but they are great products without touching that I'd imagine.
> Presumably you could save a preset work space to always track through a neve
> front end or something, which would extract some of the extra value/fun of
> unison. 
> 
> Audient interfaces are another fine USB option but again no accessibility on
> their mixer software, so to me RME is the most accessible I've found once
> you have a control surface and some patience. 
> 
> This is an important discussion to have I think because blind and visually
> impaired users are almost more restricted with interface options in the
> medium term than with software. 
> 
> As someone running a studio as a business myself I tend to feel I am best
> served by letting as little of the work as possible to the
> software/interface systems, but that isn't the entirely the way to go
> because of modern workflows and creativity. 
> 
> Sorry for the meandering message! 
> 
> I better get mixing!
> 
> Brian. 
> 
> Sent from my smart-ish phone!
> 
>> On 14/11/2017, at 8:57 AM, TheOreoMonster 
> wrote:
>> 
>> Fair points, however Except in the cases of the high end interfaces
> (Antelope & RME) USB latency isn't as low as TB. Granted anything under 10ms
> may not be noticeable but USB still has the CPU hit that FW & TB doesn't.
> Also FW ports are disappearing so you will need a dongle or a doc to use
> them in the future. Also if you notice on the Antelope devices the USB
> limits the number of I/O which isn't limited when the same devices are used
> over Thunderbolt. So yes I agree a lot of it is marketing hype, but my real
> world experiences of having used all 3 (I too had an A FW mixer for years)
> and especially having used TB and USB in the last year especially, When it
> comes to running big sessions and tracking through plug ins, USB still feels
> sluggish in comparison to TB devices.I say all that to say , the AudioFUse
> is USB 3, and claims to get 3ms of latency which is only about 1.5ms more
> than TB devices, and has everything you will need available on the physical
> hardware unit so you will probably never need to launch its control panel.
> So yeah, exceptions to the rule and all. 
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 3:27 AM, Brian Casey 
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Nate, 
>>> 
>>> As a quick note, firewire and usb aren't as restrictive as thunderbolt
> marketing hype might suggest, for example the Allem and Heath interface card
> in my console does 32 in and 32 out over firewire 400 with no problem, RME
> and antilope also get huge results with usb based interfaces. 
>>> 
>>> I had an RME fireface UFX in the past, while its own mixer and routing
> software wasn't accessible with a screenreader I was able to create monitor
> mixes, route audio and use many of its monitor control type functionality as
> it could be controled with a control surface using HUI protocol. At the time
> I controled it with a BCF 2000 and it was actually a great system and I was
> omly missing out on access to a small portion of its functions. 
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately the trend in interfaces is towards proprietary  on board
> features that are as inaccessible as they ar awesome. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my smart-ish phone!
>>> 
 On 14/11/2017, at 3:16 AM, Nathaniel Kile 
> wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I am still going back and forth between the Apogee and the Apollo but
> neither seem to be completely accessible. I am looking at the new Apollo's
> with the quad shark processors, but the unison technology does not seem to
> be accessible and I don't want to buy something and only be able to use half
> of its features. What are you using? I 

Re: Save 75% on the Pro Sound Effects Essentials Library

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Steve,
Yes the work space is whacked a bit!
Its in the bug list!
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’

On Nov 14, 2017, at 1:40 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:

> The way the AD copy you posted reads its just wav files. So yes it should be 
> accessible. Where you may run into problems is trying to use the workspace to 
> search for stuff. But you can audition with quicklook in finder and just 
> import like you would normally in protools once you find the audio file you 
> want to use. 
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 11:55 PM, Darwin May  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, does anyone know if this software is accessible using voice over with 
>> and ProTools?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
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Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Steve,

Have you used a HD I/O 16x16 from Avid?
I can't even begin to count how many songs you might listen to were done with 
it?
I use it every day and would be glad to send you off list some music produced 
by it! :)
Chuck
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On Nov 13, 2017, at 10:11 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:

> Also the only DAW you can control an Apogee interface from within is Logic. 
> The only interfaces you can control from within ProTools is one of the Avid 
> interfaces, and they haven’t updated any of those in a few years so none are 
> really worth the money right now. As Slau said, interfaces are generally 
> controlled from their stand alone apps  and not from with in a DAW except in 
> rare cases like pointed out above. So yes you can still use Apogee interfaces 
> in Pro Tools you just won’t be able to control them from within Pro Tools 
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 9:16 PM, Andre Jarreau  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, I'm new to Mac and have even less knowledge of Keyboard Maestro.  
>> 
>> Do you know of an audio interface similar to the APOGEE thunderbolt Element 
>> 46 that might be more accessible friendly?
>> 
>> Or should I bite the bullet and learn Keyboard Maestro?
>> 
>> I am open to suggestion.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Andre J.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Slau Halatyn
>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:58 PM
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
>> 
>> Nah, you can't control it from within Pro Tools. It's a stand-alone 
>> application. It might be possible to create macros to control it a bit with 
>> Keyboard Maestro but it won't have anything to do with Flo Tools.
>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Andre Jarreau  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, Apogee support does not know how FlowTools works.  
>>> 
>>> My thought is if the APOGEE plugs into PT then regardless of of pass 
>>> through, USB or Thunderbolt, FlowTools stands a chance of controlling it 
>>> through PT.  
>>> 
>>> If anybody out there knows for sure one way or the other please let me know.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Andre
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Steve Martin
>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 12:19 PM
>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
>>> 
>>> Have you contacted Apogee Support?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 13, 2017, at 9:03 AM, Alex Coleman  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Andre,
 Regarding the Apogee Element 46, I have recently purchased that exact 
 interface and am having issues setting it up using voiceover.
 There is an IOS app that you can download that looks accessible and 
 allows you to set up your interface from an iPhone or iPad, etc.
 However, I am having issues getting my iPhone to connect to my 
 Element 46, even though the iPhone app can see my Element connected 
 to my Makbook Pro.
 That being said, someone else (can't remember exactly who) on this 
 list is using the IOS app successfully, so I'm assuming that my 
 problems are specific to my particular system.
 If I come up with a solution, I'll try to post an update.
 
 Concerning your question about decoupling your monitors from their 
 stands, generally speaking, any type of additional isolation that can 
 be implemented to help eliminate any unwanted 
 vibrations/reflections/etc. would be advisable. It all just depends 
 on your specific mixing environment.
 
 HTH
 
 
> On 11/10/17, Andre Jarreau  wrote:
> Hi List,
> 
> 
> 
> I am trying to find out if an APOGEE thunderbolt Element 46 is 
> accessible using FlowTools-PT on a Mac Book Pro.  Or is some kind of 
> accessibility plugin needed.
> 
> 
> 
> Also trying to find out if monitor de-coupling stands are a good 
> idea to have for mixing down a project.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks A to Z in advance.
> 
> 
> 
> Andre J.
> 
> 
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RE: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

[Phil Muir]

Brian.  Great post.  Just to add that long term there could be some better
options available also on the Mac side.  E.G. the Open Sound Control app
that has been developed for use on Windows is also being ported to Mac
although Can needs to work out a few bugs on it.  Still if your interface
uses the Open Sound Control network protocol then this could be potentially
great news.

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brian Casey
Sent: 14 November 2017 09:34
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

Extremely well put, I am coming from the perspective of using an analog
oriented workflow on the tracking side, I supose my underlying point is we
should carefully examine our actual needs and what we can and can't live
without.

The UA stuff is great and tracking through unison would be wesome to have
access to, but they are great products without touching that I'd imagine.
Presumably you could save a preset work space to always track through a neve
front end or something, which would extract some of the extra value/fun of
unison. 

Audient interfaces are another fine USB option but again no accessibility on
their mixer software, so to me RME is the most accessible I've found once
you have a control surface and some patience. 

This is an important discussion to have I think because blind and visually
impaired users are almost more restricted with interface options in the
medium term than with software. 

As someone running a studio as a business myself I tend to feel I am best
served by letting as little of the work as possible to the
software/interface systems, but that isn't the entirely the way to go
because of modern workflows and creativity. 

Sorry for the meandering message! 

I better get mixing!

Brian. 

Sent from my smart-ish phone!

> On 14/11/2017, at 8:57 AM, TheOreoMonster 
wrote:
> 
> Fair points, however Except in the cases of the high end interfaces
(Antelope & RME) USB latency isn't as low as TB. Granted anything under 10ms
may not be noticeable but USB still has the CPU hit that FW & TB doesn't.
Also FW ports are disappearing so you will need a dongle or a doc to use
them in the future. Also if you notice on the Antelope devices the USB
limits the number of I/O which isn't limited when the same devices are used
over Thunderbolt. So yes I agree a lot of it is marketing hype, but my real
world experiences of having used all 3 (I too had an A FW mixer for years)
and especially having used TB and USB in the last year especially, When it
comes to running big sessions and tracking through plug ins, USB still feels
sluggish in comparison to TB devices.I say all that to say , the AudioFUse
is USB 3, and claims to get 3ms of latency which is only about 1.5ms more
than TB devices, and has everything you will need available on the physical
hardware unit so you will probably never need to launch its control panel.
So yeah, exceptions to the rule and all. 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 3:27 AM, Brian Casey 
wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Nate, 
>> 
>> As a quick note, firewire and usb aren't as restrictive as thunderbolt
marketing hype might suggest, for example the Allem and Heath interface card
in my console does 32 in and 32 out over firewire 400 with no problem, RME
and antilope also get huge results with usb based interfaces. 
>> 
>> I had an RME fireface UFX in the past, while its own mixer and routing
software wasn't accessible with a screenreader I was able to create monitor
mixes, route audio and use many of its monitor control type functionality as
it could be controled with a control surface using HUI protocol. At the time
I controled it with a BCF 2000 and it was actually a great system and I was
omly missing out on access to a small portion of its functions. 
>> 
>> Unfortunately the trend in interfaces is towards proprietary  on board
features that are as inaccessible as they ar awesome. 
>> 
>> Sent from my smart-ish phone!
>> 
>>> On 14/11/2017, at 3:16 AM, Nathaniel Kile 
wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I am still going back and forth between the Apogee and the Apollo but
neither seem to be completely accessible. I am looking at the new Apollo's
with the quad shark processors, but the unison technology does not seem to
be accessible and I don't want to buy something and only be able to use half
of its features. What are you using? I am in the $1500 to $2000 range.
>>> Any suggestions? I have a couple clean pres, and thought about simply
picking up a Black Lion Audio AD converter, but then I would still have to
push audio through my 003 and it is only fire wire and I want a stronger
data transfer than fire wire can offer. 
>>> 
>>> Nate Kile,
>>> Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision 
>>> Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual
instruction for schools
>>> Also Private training to 

Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

[Brian Casey]

Extremely well put, I am coming from the perspective of using an analog 
oriented workflow on the tracking side, I supose my underlying point is we 
should carefully examine our actual needs and what we can and can't live 
without.

The UA stuff is great and tracking through unison would be wesome to have 
access to, but they are great products without touching that I'd imagine. 
Presumably you could save a preset work space to always track through a neve 
front end or something, which would extract some of the extra value/fun of 
unison. 

Audient interfaces are another fine USB option but again no accessibility on 
their mixer software, so to me RME is the most accessible I've found once you 
have a control surface and some patience. 

This is an important discussion to have I think because blind and visually 
impaired users are almost more restricted with interface options in the medium 
term than with software. 

As someone running a studio as a business myself I tend to feel I am best 
served by letting as little of the work as possible to the software/interface 
systems, but that isn't the entirely the way to go because of modern workflows 
and creativity. 

Sorry for the meandering message! 

I better get mixing!

Brian. 

Sent from my smart-ish phone!

> On 14/11/2017, at 8:57 AM, TheOreoMonster  wrote:
> 
> Fair points, however Except in the cases of the high end interfaces  
> (Antelope & RME) USB latency isn’t as low as TB. Granted anything under 10ms 
> may not be noticeable but USB still has the CPU hit that FW & TB doesn’t. 
> Also FW ports are disappearing so you will need a dongle or a doc to use them 
> in the future. Also if you notice on the Antelope devices the USB limits the 
> number of I/O which isn’t limited when the same devices are used over 
> Thunderbolt. So yes I agree a lot of it is marketing hype, but my real world 
> experiences of having used all 3 (I too had an A FW mixer for years) and 
> especially having used TB and USB in the last year especially, When it comes 
> to running big sessions and tracking through plug ins, USB still feels 
> sluggish in comparison to TB devices.I say all that to say , the AudioFUse is 
> USB 3, and claims to get 3ms of latency which is only about 1.5ms more than 
> TB devices, and has everything you will need available on the physical 
> hardware unit so you will probably never need to launch its control panel.  
> So yeah, exceptions to the rule and all. 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 3:27 AM, Brian Casey  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Nate, 
>> 
>> As a quick note, firewire and usb aren't as restrictive as thunderbolt 
>> marketing hype might suggest, for example the Allem and Heath interface card 
>> in my console does 32 in and 32 out over firewire 400 with no problem, RME 
>> and antilope also get huge results with usb based interfaces. 
>> 
>> I had an RME fireface UFX in the past, while its own mixer and routing 
>> software wasn't accessible with a screenreader I was able to create monitor 
>> mixes, route audio and use many of its monitor control type functionality as 
>> it could be controled with a control surface using HUI protocol. At the time 
>> I controled it with a BCF 2000 and it was actually a great system and I was 
>> omly missing out on access to a small portion of its functions. 
>> 
>> Unfortunately the trend in interfaces is towards proprietary  on board 
>> features that are as inaccessible as they ar awesome. 
>> 
>> Sent from my smart-ish phone!
>> 
>>> On 14/11/2017, at 3:16 AM, Nathaniel Kile  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I am still going back and forth between the Apogee and the Apollo but 
>>> neither seem to be completely accessible. I am looking at the new Apollo's 
>>> with the quad shark processors, but the unison technology does not seem to 
>>> be accessible and I don't want to buy something and only be able to use 
>>> half of its features. What are you using? I am in the $1500 to $2000 range.
>>> Any suggestions? I have a couple clean pres, and thought about simply 
>>> picking up a Black Lion Audio AD converter, but then I would still have to 
>>> push audio through my 003 and it is only fire wire and I want a stronger 
>>> data transfer than fire wire can offer. 
>>> 
>>> Nate Kile,
>>> Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision 
>>> Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
>>> instruction for schools
>>> Also Private training to your needs
>>> 907-444-3707
>>> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office 
>>> products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
>>> www.yourtechvision.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of TheOreoMonster
>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:06 PM
>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor 

Re: FYI, thanks

[Brian Casey]

Sorry to hear about your hardships Nate, very glad you have turned a corner. 

You've always been a good voice to have on here and midi mag when I was on it, 
and you are right, there's a hand full of people on this list that are making a 
huge difference to the working/creative lives of the rest of us. 

Well said Nate and glad you're getting back in the game somewhat, it seems an 
exciting time in PT access world.  

Sent from my smart-ish phone!

> On 14/11/2017, at 6:54 AM, Nathaniel Kile  wrote:
> 
> Hello list,
> As some of you may notice, I do not post to the list so much anymore, about 2 
> years ago my life took a major twist. I went through a divorce after a 16 
> year marriage. I walked away from a toxic situation and left all of my assets 
> behind.
> Around that time I started working at my local center for the blind and my 
> life took off from that point on. The Center was a grave yard when I first 
> came on, we did about 25 hours of training a month and it was a depressing 
> place to be. I was given the flexibility to pursue some ideas and build some 
> relationships with the local VR councilors and now, almost two years later we 
> are averaging about 150 hours a month in training hours and I am not only the 
> AT instructor, but I am the youth transition coordinator, the residential 
> monitor with a three bedroom apartment, and I also work with the local 
> university as well as with Dr. Denise Robinson, who was mentored by Dr 
> Abraham Nemeth and Mr. Linux. My life has been quite the adventure this last 
> year.
> In the mean while I have had the studio packed away and as of tonight I 
> ordered Pro Tools 12 to make the upgrade. I want to thank this list, and all 
> who have continued to contribute to the Pro Tools community, I feel that 
> without this list I could have completely drifted away from recording, but as 
> I continually see the messages in my in box and occasionally read them, I 
> still have felt the passion for recording flowing through my veins. As I move 
> forward into this new chapter in my life I hope to be able to pass this gift 
> of recording with Pro Tools on to others, giving the gift of a viable trade 
> to other blind persons as well as a love for music. I want to say thanks to 
> all who have kept pushing forward, carving out a trail for others to walk, 
> you guys have put in so much of the work and as people like me reap the 
> rewards of your labor, I say thank you and I take my hat off for your 
> faithfulness.
>  
>  
> Nate Kile,
> Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision
> Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
> instruction for schools
> Also Private training to your needs
> 907-444-3707
> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office 
> products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
> www.yourtechvision.com
>  
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Re: PT Avid certification

[TheOreoMonster]

That’s the impression I get from reading the info available on the site. I 
can’t imagine howls students pay that tuition  also. That’s a clearly a VR 
play. 

> On Nov 14, 2017, at 1:58 AM, Nathaniel Kile  wrote:
> 
> Do they work with VR agencies to bring clients in to a residential program 
> for training? <>
>  
> Nate Kile,
> Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision 
> Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
> instruction for schools
> Also Private training to your needs
> 907-444-3707
> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office 
> products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
> www.yourtechvision.com 
>  
>  
>  
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of TheOreoMonster
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 9:42 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: PT Avid certification
>  
> You could reach out to the guys at see music and ask how they did it, but 
> then again given that you’d be in direct competition with them …. 
>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 10:06 PM, Nathaniel Kile > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hello list,
>> Here at my work, a training center, management and I are talking about 
>> trying to bring in an engineering training program. We are thinking of ways 
>> to make it official in order for VR counselors to support sending clients to 
>> the program. I am wondering if anyone has gone through the Avid 
>> certification program and if so, was it online or in person, what was the 
>> price and the length of time that it took to complete.
>> Any thoughts on this will be appreciated.
>> Nate Kile,
>> Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision 
>> Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
>> instruction for schools
>> Also Private training to your needs
>> 907-444-3707
>> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office 
>> products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
>> www.yourtechvision.com 
>>  
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Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

[TheOreoMonster]

Fair points, however Except in the cases of the high end interfaces  (Antelope 
& RME) USB latency isn’t as low as TB. Granted anything under 10ms may not be 
noticeable but USB still has the CPU hit that FW & TB doesn’t. Also FW ports 
are disappearing so you will need a dongle or a doc to use them in the future. 
Also if you notice on the Antelope devices the USB limits the number of I/O 
which isn’t limited when the same devices are used over Thunderbolt. So yes I 
agree a lot of it is marketing hype, but my real world experiences of having 
used all 3 (I too had an A FW mixer for years) and especially having used TB 
and USB in the last year especially, When it comes to running big sessions and 
tracking through plug ins, USB still feels sluggish in comparison to TB 
devices.I say all that to say , the AudioFUse is USB 3, and claims to get 3ms 
of latency which is only about 1.5ms more than TB devices, and has everything 
you will need available on the physical hardware unit so you will probably 
never need to launch its control panel.  So yeah, exceptions to the rule and 
all. 
 
> On Nov 14, 2017, at 3:27 AM, Brian Casey  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Nate, 
> 
> As a quick note, firewire and usb aren't as restrictive as thunderbolt 
> marketing hype might suggest, for example the Allem and Heath interface card 
> in my console does 32 in and 32 out over firewire 400 with no problem, RME 
> and antilope also get huge results with usb based interfaces. 
> 
> I had an RME fireface UFX in the past, while its own mixer and routing 
> software wasn't accessible with a screenreader I was able to create monitor 
> mixes, route audio and use many of its monitor control type functionality as 
> it could be controled with a control surface using HUI protocol. At the time 
> I controled it with a BCF 2000 and it was actually a great system and I was 
> omly missing out on access to a small portion of its functions. 
> 
> Unfortunately the trend in interfaces is towards proprietary  on board 
> features that are as inaccessible as they ar awesome. 
> 
> Sent from my smart-ish phone!
> 
>> On 14/11/2017, at 3:16 AM, Nathaniel Kile  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I am still going back and forth between the Apogee and the Apollo but 
>> neither seem to be completely accessible. I am looking at the new Apollo's 
>> with the quad shark processors, but the unison technology does not seem to 
>> be accessible and I don't want to buy something and only be able to use half 
>> of its features. What are you using? I am in the $1500 to $2000 range.
>> Any suggestions? I have a couple clean pres, and thought about simply 
>> picking up a Black Lion Audio AD converter, but then I would still have to 
>> push audio through my 003 and it is only fire wire and I want a stronger 
>> data transfer than fire wire can offer. 
>> 
>> Nate Kile,
>> Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision 
>> Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
>> instruction for schools
>> Also Private training to your needs
>> 907-444-3707
>> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office 
>> products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
>> www.yourtechvision.com 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of TheOreoMonster
>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:06 PM
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
>> 
>> If you do not have an iOS device to control the device accessibly, then 
>> perhaps consider an interface that has some hardware buttons on it so you 
>> won’t really need to use its control software.  For example if you need to 
>> enable phantom power or switch an input from line level to hi-z consider an 
>> interface that has physical buttons for these features. If you don’t have a 
>> Condensor mic that requires phantom power or plan to record an instrument 
>> like guitar or Bass directly and also don’t plan to do any complicated 
>> routing of audio you probably won’t need to ever worry about going into the 
>> Apogee software and just install the drivers and start using it. Usually 
>> with most interfaces I have encountered once the drivers are installed, you 
>> can select it as the audio interface in your DAW and start using it. 
>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 9:16 PM, Andre Jarreau  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, I'm new to Mac and have even less knowledge of Keyboard Maestro.  
>>> 
>>> Do you know of an audio interface similar to the APOGEE thunderbolt Element 
>>> 46 that might be more accessible friendly?
>>> 
>>> Or should I bite the bullet and learn Keyboard Maestro?
>>> 
>>> I am open to suggestion.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Andre J.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Slau Halatyn
>>> Sent: 

Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling

[Brian Casey]

Hi Nate, 

As a quick note, firewire and usb aren't as restrictive as thunderbolt 
marketing hype might suggest, for example the Allem and Heath interface card in 
my console does 32 in and 32 out over firewire 400 with no problem, RME and 
antilope also get huge results with usb based interfaces. 

I had an RME fireface UFX in the past, while its own mixer and routing software 
wasn't accessible with a screenreader I was able to create monitor mixes, route 
audio and use many of its monitor control type functionality as it could be 
controled with a control surface using HUI protocol. At the time I controled it 
with a BCF 2000 and it was actually a great system and I was omly missing out 
on access to a small portion of its functions. 

Unfortunately the trend in interfaces is towards proprietary  on board features 
that are as inaccessible as they ar awesome. 

Sent from my smart-ish phone!

> On 14/11/2017, at 3:16 AM, Nathaniel Kile  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I am still going back and forth between the Apogee and the Apollo but neither 
> seem to be completely accessible. I am looking at the new Apollo's with the 
> quad shark processors, but the unison technology does not seem to be 
> accessible and I don't want to buy something and only be able to use half of 
> its features. What are you using? I am in the $1500 to $2000 range.
> Any suggestions? I have a couple clean pres, and thought about simply picking 
> up a Black Lion Audio AD converter, but then I would still have to push audio 
> through my 003 and it is only fire wire and I want a stronger data transfer 
> than fire wire can offer. 
> 
> Nate Kile,
> Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision 
> Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
> instruction for schools
> Also Private training to your needs
> 907-444-3707
> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office 
> products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: 
> www.yourtechvision.com 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of TheOreoMonster
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:06 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
> 
> If you do not have an iOS device to control the device accessibly, then 
> perhaps consider an interface that has some hardware buttons on it so you 
> won’t really need to use its control software.  For example if you need to 
> enable phantom power or switch an input from line level to hi-z consider an 
> interface that has physical buttons for these features. If you don’t have a 
> Condensor mic that requires phantom power or plan to record an instrument 
> like guitar or Bass directly and also don’t plan to do any complicated 
> routing of audio you probably won’t need to ever worry about going into the 
> Apogee software and just install the drivers and start using it. Usually with 
> most interfaces I have encountered once the drivers are installed, you can 
> select it as the audio interface in your DAW and start using it. 
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 9:16 PM, Andre Jarreau  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, I'm new to Mac and have even less knowledge of Keyboard Maestro.  
>> 
>> Do you know of an audio interface similar to the APOGEE thunderbolt Element 
>> 46 that might be more accessible friendly?
>> 
>> Or should I bite the bullet and learn Keyboard Maestro?
>> 
>> I am open to suggestion.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Andre J.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Slau Halatyn
>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:58 PM
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
>> 
>> Nah, you can't control it from within Pro Tools. It's a stand-alone 
>> application. It might be possible to create macros to control it a bit with 
>> Keyboard Maestro but it won't have anything to do with Flo Tools.
>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Andre Jarreau  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, Apogee support does not know how FlowTools works.  
>>> 
>>> My thought is if the APOGEE plugs into PT then regardless of of pass 
>>> through, USB or Thunderbolt, FlowTools stands a chance of controlling it 
>>> through PT.  
>>> 
>>> If anybody out there knows for sure one way or the other please let me know.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Andre
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Steve Martin
>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 12:19 PM
>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: APOGEE Thunderbolt & monitor decoupling
>>> 
>>> Have you contacted Apogee Support?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 13, 2017, at 9:03 AM, Alex Coleman  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Andre,
 Regarding the Apogee Element