Re: Python mascot proposal
Jeremy Bowers wrote: On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:54:38 +, Dimitri Tcaciuc wrote: I haven't came up with the name for that guy yet, so I'm leaving that for public suggestions :). It is time Python gets an official face in the Net! *cough* Anyway, I would like to hear your thoughts and suggestions. I mean no offense, this was just my initial reaction: I like the drawing itself, but the first thing that coloration brings to mind is the word "diseased". Sorry, I don't know how to make this sound less brutal without getting that across. But I do like the drawing. Heh, well, I tried to pick the actual snake colors, but I agree that it looks rather plagued. I shall remove the colouring for now, and think on a more lively colour scheme. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python mascot proposal
Dimitri Tcaciuc wrote: > While I'm not absolutely positive, it looks like Python still doesn't > have any official mascot or logo. As already mentioned, there is a snake that gets used in a number of icons around the place - the windows installer, for example. > Hence, here's something I came up with > yesterday. Its by no means a final version, but rather just a draft to > show an idea. Here's a link to png file. > > http://www.sfu.ca/~dtcaciuc/art/pymascot.png Very cute :) Having said that, don't forget that Python's name has *nothing to do with snakes*. Please consider sticking to the original roots of the language's name: Monty Python's Flying Circus. IIRC, Guido has said a number of times that he's not fond of using a snake for logos. Hence the MacPython stuff uses a 16 ton weight in its icons. Richard -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python mascot proposal
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Dimitri Tcaciuc wrote: > Hey everybody, > > While I'm not absolutely positive, it looks like Python still doesn't > have any official mascot or logo. Hmm... I thought it did - indeed it's in every character set (?): @ For those who can't see the detail, it's an eel curled round, grinning. > It is time Python gets an official face in the Net! Ahh.. But it does - indeed by having the official logo above, it proves that Python's advertising is so insidious that it's in every email. After all it Sun with their JVM claimed the dot in dot com, it makes sense for Python with the Python VM to claim the other important piece of punctuation as a logo. I believe that Apple will be adopting the double slash //, with go faster stripes colouration, in the new year, and that unfortunately leaves Microsoft with the colon. Michael. (Nice piccy BTW ;) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python mascot proposal
richard wrote: Dimitri Tcaciuc wrote: While I'm not absolutely positive, it looks like Python still doesn't have any official mascot or logo. As already mentioned, there is a snake that gets used in a number of icons around the place - the windows installer, for example. Hence, here's something I came up with yesterday. Its by no means a final version, but rather just a draft to show an idea. Here's a link to png file. http://www.sfu.ca/~dtcaciuc/art/pymascot.png Very cute :) Having said that, don't forget that Python's name has *nothing to do with snakes*. Please consider sticking to the original roots of the language's name: Monty Python's Flying Circus. IIRC, Guido has said a number of times that he's not fond of using a snake for logos. Hence the MacPython stuff uses a 16 ton weight in its icons. Richard Yup, I was aware of the fact of Monty Python roots of the language name. However, you will probably agree that a snake is more associative. Plus, if to use some characteristic MP feature like a giant foot, I'm not positive that it won't trigger any copyright issues. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python mascot proposal
richard wrote: > Having said that, don't forget that Python's name has *nothing to do > with snakes*. Please consider sticking to the original roots of the > language's name: Monty Python's Flying Circus. IIRC, Guido has said a > number of times that he's not fond of using a snake for logos. Some time ago while cruising a Barnes & Noble I found a Python book I hadn't seen before. I don't remember the title at the moment, and I don't have the book at hand, but the cover had a large python staring down at a small frightened rodent. When I went to check out, the person at the counter was a kind of frumpy librarian type. She looked at the cover and made some snide remark about frightening small children. I thought for a moment about trying to explain to her that the cover art was an inside joke on an inside joke. When I realized how far back I would have to go to unwind all the references, it just didn't seem worth the trouble. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python mascot proposal
Hey Dimitri, I completely agree with you in that Python needs once for all a cool logo. I like your design very much, but I have a few thoughts about it: 1) I think that Python's logo should reflect its power. If we use a mascot as its image, we would be giving the wrong idea: that Python is a "toy" language, instead of a very good alternative to other mainstream languages. 2) We should also bear in mind Guido's oppinion about using a snake for identifying Python. 3) And finally, we should consider it very seriously. Image is not everything, but it is very important for "marketing" a product. I'm sure that if Java didn't have a cool name and a cool logo, it wouldn't have been that succesfull. I don't mean to sound like I'm rejecting your idea. I really like it alot, and it is an excellent mascot. It's just that I wouldn't use a mascot... I'd rather use a more "killer" image. Something that reflects power and excellence. What do you think? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python mascot proposal
Dimitri Tcaciuc wrote: While I'm not absolutely positive, it looks like Python still doesn't have any official mascot or logo. Hence, here's something I came up with yesterday. Its by no means a final version, but rather just a draft to show an idea. Here's a link to png file. http://www.sfu.ca/~dtcaciuc/art/pymascot.png Nice work! I admit it's just too tempting not to design around snake imagery for Python. Here are a couple of images/logos (quite a bit different from a mascot) I've been working on... http://exogen.cwru.edu/python.png http://exogen.cwru.edu/python2.png If anyone can think of a way to break free of the reptile-oriented thought process but maintain clear, symbolic imagery, I'd love to see more suggestions or renditions! -- Brian Beck Adventurer of the First Order -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python mascot proposal
Brian Beck wrote: http://exogen.cwru.edu/python2.png Oooh, I like this one. Very cool! Steve -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python mascot proposal
Brian Beck wrote: Dimitri Tcaciuc wrote: While I'm not absolutely positive, it looks like Python still doesn't have any official mascot or logo. Hence, here's something I came up with yesterday. Its by no means a final version, but rather just a draft to show an idea. Here's a link to png file. http://www.sfu.ca/~dtcaciuc/art/pymascot.png Nice work! I admit it's just too tempting not to design around snake imagery for Python. Here are a couple of images/logos (quite a bit different from a mascot) I've been working on... http://exogen.cwru.edu/python.png http://exogen.cwru.edu/python2.png If anyone can think of a way to break free of the reptile-oriented thought process but maintain clear, symbolic imagery, I'd love to see more suggestions or renditions! Since the word 'Python' would bring -some- sort of snake associations, I thought of combining snake and Monty Python symbolic, like making a snake wind around a giant foot, or adding long mustache and an english hat to a snake or something in that manner, or even put a snake into a holy grail heh. But then again, I'm not sure if there'll be no copyright issues. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python mascot proposal
> Since the word 'Python' would bring -some- sort of snake associations,
> I
> thought of combining snake and Monty Python symbolic, like making a
> snake wind around a giant foot, or adding long mustache and an english
> hat to a snake or something in that manner, or even put a snake into a
> holy grail heh.
>
> But then again, I'm not sure if there'll be no copyright issues.
But surely only you and I and the other Pythonistas will recognize a Norwegian
Blue when we see one.
Might be hard to get away from the snake, as was noted, its a level or two
easier mental association than MP.
Logo? Maybe a Norweigian Blue on is back, one fut in e air, wit a snake ead
off to is ide, grinningly wit a char-grin?
es not dead!
Eric Pederson
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Re: Python mascot proposal
Well the most well known Flying Circus snake related sketch is probably
the one eyed trouser snake one, which is er-, probably less than a good
idea for a logo. The Snake with some sort of Monty Python themeing is
probably the best idea, but drawing a snake + large foot/16 ton
weight/holy grail/norweigan blue might be a bit tricky when you have to
make small sized icons, which is why the current snake is so handy. I
guess someone should watch the intro to flying circus, and/or the
animations from some of the movies for inspiration.
But on that note, how about a python + rose combo?
Eric Pederson wrote:
Since the word 'Python' would bring -some- sort of snake associations,
I
thought of combining snake and Monty Python symbolic, like making a
snake wind around a giant foot, or adding long mustache and an english
hat to a snake or something in that manner, or even put a snake into a
holy grail heh.
But then again, I'm not sure if there'll be no copyright issues.
But surely only you and I and the other Pythonistas will recognize a
Norwegian Blue when we see one.
Might be hard to get away from the snake, as was noted, its a level or two
easier mental association than MP.
Logo? Maybe a Norweigian Blue on is back, one fut in e air, wit a snake
ead off to is ide, grinningly wit a char-grin?
es not dead!
Eric Pederson
:::
domainNot="@something.com"
domainIs=domainNot.replace("s","z")
ePrefix="".join([chr(ord(x)+1) for x in "do"])
mailMeAt=ePrefix+domainIs
:::
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Re: Python mascot proposal
Would a parrot on it's back be better?
adil
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Alex Stapleton wrote:
> Well the most well known Flying Circus snake related sketch is probably
> the one eyed trouser snake one, which is er-, probably less than a good
> idea for a logo. The Snake with some sort of Monty Python themeing is
> probably the best idea, but drawing a snake + large foot/16 ton
> weight/holy grail/norweigan blue might be a bit tricky when you have to
> make small sized icons, which is why the current snake is so handy. I
> guess someone should watch the intro to flying circus, and/or the
> animations from some of the movies for inspiration.
>
> But on that note, how about a python + rose combo?
>
> Eric Pederson wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Since the word 'Python' would bring -some- sort of snake associations,
> >>I
> >>thought of combining snake and Monty Python symbolic, like making a
> >>snake wind around a giant foot, or adding long mustache and an english
> >>hat to a snake or something in that manner, or even put a snake into a
> >>holy grail heh.
> >>
> >>But then again, I'm not sure if there'll be no copyright issues.
> >
> >
> >
> > But surely only you and I and the other Pythonistas will recognize a
> > Norwegian Blue when we see one.
> >
> >
> > Might be hard to get away from the snake, as was noted, its a level or two
> > easier mental association than MP.
> >
> >
> > Logo? Maybe a Norweigian Blue on is back, one fut in e air, wit a snake
> > ead off to is ide, grinningly wit a char-grin?
> >
> >
> >
> > es not dead!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Eric Pederson
> > :::
> > domainNot="@something.com"
> > domainIs=domainNot.replace("s","z")
> > ePrefix="".join([chr(ord(x)+1) for x in "do"])
> > mailMeAt=ePrefix+domainIs
> > :::
> >
>
>
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Re: Python mascot proposal
Luis M. Gonzalez wrote: Hey Dimitri, I completely agree with you in that Python needs once for all a cool logo. I like your design very much, but I have a few thoughts about it: 1) I think that Python's logo should reflect its power. Vorpal Bunny. Now, *that's* power. If we use a mascot as its image, we would be giving the wrong idea: that Python is a "toy" language, instead of a very good alternative to other mainstream languages. 2) We should also bear in mind Guido's oppinion about using a snake for identifying Python. I've been googling for this today. So, what exactly is Guido's opinion on snake logos? 3) And finally, we should consider it very seriously. Image is not everything, but it is very important for "marketing" a product. I'm sure that if Java didn't have a cool name and a cool logo, it wouldn't have been that succesfull. I don't mean to sound like I'm rejecting your idea. I really like it alot, and it is an excellent mascot. It's just that I wouldn't use a mascot... I'd rather use a more "killer" image. There's not much more of a "killer" than a Vorpal Bunny. Those things are vicious. Something that reflects power and excellence. I see some similarities between Vorpal Bunnies and Python (the language): - Pleasing to the eye - Deceptively powerful - Gets the job done - and then some What do you think? Vorpal Bunny. Because every other logo lacks the power of a rodential killer. 0.5-wink-ly y'rs, Jeremy Jones -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python mascot proposal
The problem with parrots is that Perl 6's engine is called Parrot.
Although I suppose the image of a dead Parrot/snake eating a parrot etc
could be a "good" one in some peoples minds. But i'm not sure Perl
people are really the sort that you wan't to make enemies of, they are
deadly with custard pies. It's a bit immature to insult another language
like that anyway, not thats the idea you where going for of course.
Adil Hasan wrote:
Would a parrot on it's back be better?
adil
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Alex Stapleton wrote:
Well the most well known Flying Circus snake related sketch is probably
the one eyed trouser snake one, which is er-, probably less than a good
idea for a logo. The Snake with some sort of Monty Python themeing is
probably the best idea, but drawing a snake + large foot/16 ton
weight/holy grail/norweigan blue might be a bit tricky when you have to
make small sized icons, which is why the current snake is so handy. I
guess someone should watch the intro to flying circus, and/or the
animations from some of the movies for inspiration.
But on that note, how about a python + rose combo?
Eric Pederson wrote:
Since the word 'Python' would bring -some- sort of snake associations,
I
thought of combining snake and Monty Python symbolic, like making a
snake wind around a giant foot, or adding long mustache and an english
hat to a snake or something in that manner, or even put a snake into a
holy grail heh.
But then again, I'm not sure if there'll be no copyright issues.
But surely only you and I and the other Pythonistas will recognize a
Norwegian Blue when we see one.
Might be hard to get away from the snake, as was noted, its a level or two
easier mental association than MP.
Logo? Maybe a Norweigian Blue on is back, one fut in e air, wit a snake
ead off to is ide, grinningly wit a char-grin?
es not dead!
Eric Pederson
:::
domainNot="@something.com"
domainIs=domainNot.replace("s","z")
ePrefix="".join([chr(ord(x)+1) for x in "do"])
mailMeAt=ePrefix+domainIs
:::
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Re: Python mascot proposal
I thought there was probably already an official mascot. There's a little green snake with his tongue hanging out on the left of the URL when you visit www.python.org. I see it in my Safari browser on Mac OS X and in Firefox, but not in Internet Exploder. I thought that I had seen a large picture somewhere, but can't find it now. I don't know if he has an official name, but I've been calling him Monty. Monty, the Python; not to be confused with Monty Python of course ;) Dan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python mascot proposal
Not that my opinion is worth anything in these matters, but I like the upper-left example at http://exogen.cwru.edu/python.png the best (out of the samples I've seen thus far). I don't like the "gear" shape, and I think adding a coil or circle around the "head" detracts somewhat from the look. I like the clean, sharp lines - seems very metaphorical for the language. My only critique would be that it appears (to me) much like a clan insignia from Battletech. Not that such is a bad thing, mind you. I think people are a little over-anxious regarding copyright infringement. I think a snake around a holy grail would be a fine logo, "the holy grail of programming languages" seems appropriate to me. There's no way that MPFC can have rights over all possible combinations of "Python" and "Holy Grail". Chill out, people. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python mascot proposal
Steven Bethard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Beck wrote: > > http://exogen.cwru.edu/python2.png > > Oooh, I like this one. Very cool! > Its visually stunning. But under Windows gears show up in the DLL and batch file icons. Lenard Lindstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python mascot proposal
Jeremy Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Luis M. Gonzalez wrote: > > >Hey Dimitri, > > [snip] > >> >2) We should also bear in mind Guido's oppinion about using a snake for > >identifying Python. > > > I've been googling for this today. So, what exactly is Guido's > opinion on snake logos? > This is taken straight from the Python FAQ: 1.2. Why is it called Python? Apart from being a computer scientist, I'm also a fan of "Monty Python's Flying Circus" (a BBC comedy series from the seventies, in the -- unlikely -- case you didn't know). It occurred to me one day that I needed a name that was short, unique, and slightly mysterious. And I happened to be reading some scripts from the series at the time... So then I decided to call my language Python. By now I don't care any more whether you use a Python, some other snake, a foot or 16-ton weight, or a wood rat as a logo for Python! Of course any official logo would likely require a PEP and the BDFL's endorcement. But before that it might be an idea to see if it becomes popular as a de facto logo first. Lenard Lindstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python mascot proposal
Lenard Lindstrom wrote: Steven Bethard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Brian Beck wrote: http://exogen.cwru.edu/python2.png Oooh, I like this one. Very cool! Its visually stunning. But under Windows gears show up in the DLL and batch file icons. Is that a problem? The fact that they show up in DLLs and batch files means they're not exclusive to a certain type of file... And neither of these have pythons winding around them, I believe. ;) That said, if someone had a really cool mix of python and Monty Python, I'd probably prefer that... Steve -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python mascot proposal
Luis M. Gonzalez wrote: > Hey Dimitri, > > I completely agree with you in that Python needs once for all a cool > logo. > I like your design very much, but I have a few thoughts about it: > > 1) I think that Python's logo should reflect its power. > If we use a mascot as its image, we would be giving the wrong idea: > that Python is a "toy" language, instead of a very good alternative to > other mainstream languages. +1. But I think your logo would be a great identifier for Python when teaching it to younger students. Perhaps the EDU-SIG/Python in Education folks might be interested. The American wrestler Hulk Hogan used to intimidate his opponents by flexing the muscles of his arms, which he refered to as his "26-inch Pythons". Now, there's a powerful image that would strike an awe-ful chord in the hearts of many a thick-glassed geek! "Whatcha gonna do, when the world's most powerful dynamic language comes after you?" -- Graham -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python mascot proposal
On Mon, 2004-12-13 at 14:50, James Stroud wrote: > As far as python.png below is concerned, I am reminded of the structure of > the > HIV virus: http://www.avert.org/pictures/hivstructure.htm > > Pleasing to virologists and drug companies, but as a single, computer-type > guy, it makes my skin crawl in more ways than one. > > On Sunday 12 December 2004 07:40 pm, Brian Beck wrote: > > Here are a couple of images/logos (quite a bit > > different from a mascot) I've been working on... > > > > http://exogen.cwru.edu/python.png > > http://exogen.cwru.edu/python2.png > > > > If anyone can think of a way to break free of the reptile-oriented > > thought process but maintain clear, symbolic imagery, I'd love to see > > more suggestions or renditions! The notion of python as a meme, a mental virus, something ubiquitous, invasive and unavoidable like the common cold or a half time ad isn't bad. A rebellion against the accusations made by some that open source code is viral would be nice. But I agree, python.png is a bit harsh. It screams "rigid, militaristic, violent." It is also dangerous; if I saw that on the bumper of an overturned car I wouldn't stop to help -- I'd run like hell. We don't want Python aficionados to die from lack of medical care while hazmat teams look up arcane symbols on underpowered field hardened laptops while wearing inch thick gloves. When I think of Python in emotional terms. A plush toy like Tux is more appealing. As for python2.png ... does the snake get all smushed up in the gear if it turns? Adam DePrince -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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I've yet to see a Python logo that I thought was really good. The cartoon green snake icon is okay, I guess, if a bit cutesy for my taste. Random thoughts: It is unreasonable to use the name "Python" and not expect people to associate it with a snake. I say that although I'm a big Python (Monte) fan from the beginning. I think it would be a bad idea to market the etymological connection between Python the language and the comedy group. Always remember that most people are pig-ignorant philistines. Besides, Monte Python stuff is trademarked and copyrighted.. And what have you got against snakes, huh? Huh? Jive -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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What about a dead camel? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python mascot proposal
> Anybody know what a larch looks like? from quite far away? random google link: http://www.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/PEOPLE/bolder/montypython/larch1.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python mascot proposal
In reply to the OP, I think the snake mascot drawing is cute and pretty compelling. On Sunday 12 December 2004 05:49 pm, Luis M. Gonzalez wrote: > 1) I think that Python's logo should reflect its power. > If we use a mascot as its image, we would be giving the wrong idea: > that Python is a "toy" language, instead of a very good alternative to > other mainstream languages. No way. One of Python's greatest strengths is that it's *friendly*: easy to learn, easy to recall, easy to re-read after you put it down. That it is also extremely powerful is something it shares with several other languages. A friendly logo can be just as (if not more) compelling than a "cool" logo. > 2) We should also bear in mind Guido's oppinion about using a snake for > identifying Python. He should've called it "Monty" then. I say we use a snake and *call* it "Monty". Works for me. > 3) And finally, we should consider it very seriously. Image is not > everything, but it is very important for "marketing" a product. I'm > sure that if Java didn't have a cool name and a cool logo, it wouldn't > have been that succesfull. Okay, fine. The one with sunglasses, then. ;-) Cheers, Terry -- -- Terry Hancock ( hancock at anansispaceworks.com ) Anansi Spaceworks http://www.anansispaceworks.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:42:38 GMT, Dimitri Tcaciuc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hm, interesting. So I'm hearing lots of different opinions here, but it > seems like there's not too many radical thoughts about not using snake > at all and it can be pretty much summed up to 2 things > 1) use a snake > 2) combine snake with -some- monty python's symbolic +1 on both counts. > I personally totally like the thought of calling the snake Monty, I > couldn't even think of any other alternatives. +1 too. > But before pushing forward any particular design, maybe it will make > sense to make some sort of official logo contest on Python's main > website and post it on /. ? It's a great marketing idea. There was a thread recently on Python-dev that started with a message from Guido, where he talks about a seemingly persistent perception that exists in the specialized press regarding Python as a flexible, nice, but generally slow (or slower than the alternatives) language. The thread ended up as a discussion about Python marketing & advocacy in general. So I think that the timing is good. But on the other hand, making this into a open contest takes more than a simple announcement on Slashdot. Some things need to be arranged first: 1) Our vote may count, but Guido's opinion not only count, it's decisive. So I believe that's better for we to hear his opinion before we even start talking about it seriously. 2) The folks are python-dev are much more involved with Python than most people that gather around comp.lang.python. Their opinion is also important. However, to announce it on the python-dev list out of the blue is not a good idea; the list is highly focused on Python development issues, and is not the place for this discussion. I would prefer that some senior member (Guido himself, or some of the other old-timers) did the announcement on Ptyhon-dev, if only to make people know about it. 3) Finally, if there's a competition, there must be a decision process. It may be democratic voting, it may be a comitee, it may be Guido's opinion, I don't know. But the conditions need to be clear from the start. > That should be a better option, since there obviously are waaay more > great artists out there than the ones that somehow got on these > newsgroups :) > > So the question is, how can this be arranged? I am pretty new to Python > in general, so I don't know how this community's clockwork is arranged > and who to contact about that. I don't know... posting it on Python-dev would raise the attention of some folks, but may bother others, as this is really off-topic there. As far as I know, Python does not have a official contact for marketing issues. Maybe if just need to keep going with the discussion here, until someone who really knows the Python Ways "buys" the idea. And finally, Dimitri - congratulations for the design, but most important, for the attitude. -- Carlos Ribeiro Consultoria em Projetos blog: http://rascunhosrotos.blogspot.com blog: http://pythonnotes.blogspot.com mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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> > But before pushing forward any particular design, maybe it will make > > sense to make some sort of official logo contest on Python's main > > website and post it on /. ? > I was waiting for someone to propose that :-) I'm new to this list and Python in general, but I think that this sort of things are always decided by Guido. I think we have two options: 1) Simply start the contest and see what happens. If it attrackts many competitors, I guess it will be considered by the core developers. 2) Ask for permition and let them define the rules. Perhaps the BDFL is reading this thread and has something to say about it? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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> It's a great marketing idea. There was a thread recently on Python-dev > that started with a message from Guido, where he talks about a > seemingly persistent perception that exists in the specialized press > regarding Python as a flexible, nice, but generally slow (or slower > than the alternatives) language. Perception of the press: Python is "flexible, nice, but generally slow" Well, the snake mascot as drawn is, of course, very flexible, appears to be friendly, and is, well, just how fast is a big snake, esp. a python? It'll get there, slithering along, but it doesn't really conjure up a "beaming" between two galaxies in a nanosecond image. I like Monty (the snake), but perhaps there are liabilities arising from having a mascot (what is the mascot for C++?) Of course all those speed comparisons on the web don't help either. EP "Fast enough is only fast enough for today, not for tomorrow's possibilities. Network speeds will increase by a magnitude, ahead of processing power - then code execution speed will be a limiting factor." Oh, and while I'm wishing for the Moon, can I have a builtin Prolog/logic object. ;-) hey, Python is better than I deserve: mucho thanks to Guido and the core Pythonistas... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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EP wrote: It's a great marketing idea. There was a thread recently on Python-dev that started with a message from Guido, where he talks about a seemingly persistent perception that exists in the specialized press regarding Python as a flexible, nice, but generally slow (or slower than the alternatives) language. Perception of the press: Python is "flexible, nice, but generally slow" Which press? I know lots of programmers who have religious issues about (against) Python believe this, or claim to, or want to, but I haven't seen a lot of "press" coverage of Python's supposed slowness... Or was this just a guess on your part? -Peter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Please note that to make something official, it has to be passed through the Python Software Foundation, which holds the intellectual property for Python and is responsible for trademarks associated with the language. If you're serious about doing this, you may want to email "psf at python dot org" to get information from the board of directors (I'm one of them, BTW, but I can't speak for the whole group). It would be nice to have a single strongly identifiable visual trademark for Python. There are many icons/logos that people have invented but none that's "official" and having many tends to dilute the ability to build a strong well-known visual trademark. - Stephan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, EP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Well, the snake mascot as drawn is, of course, very flexible, appears to be friendly, and is, well, just how fast is a big snake, esp. a python? I don't know about Pythons but there is a black snake in Africa (a black mamba?) that when it stands up is taller than a man. This snake can out "run" a man in straight line or over rough ground. I saw a TV program where they'd attached a camera to its head. Absolutely incredible watching this thing whizzing through the undergrowth in search of a mate. Don't think all snakes are slow - they aren't. BTW. The suggestions - I like them, for what little that is worth. Stephen -- Stephen Kellett Object Media Limitedhttp://www.objmedia.demon.co.uk RSI Information:http://www.objmedia.demon.co.uk/rsi.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:51:18 -0500, Peter Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > EP wrote: > >>It's a great marketing idea. There was a thread recently on Python-dev > >>that started with a message from Guido, where he talks about a > >>seemingly persistent perception that exists in the specialized press > >>regarding Python as a flexible, nice, but generally slow (or slower > >>than the alternatives) language. > > > > Perception of the press: Python is "flexible, nice, but generally slow" > > Which press? I know lots of programmers who have religious issues > about (against) Python believe this, or claim to, or want to, but > I haven't seen a lot of "press" coverage of Python's supposed slowness... > > Or was this just a guess on your part? Check Guido's original message on the topic, you can find it on python-dev articles. It`s recenet -- possibly less than one week old. He seemed to be sincerely concerned about it, having read an article published at some prestigious academic journal (something from ACM or IEEE, I think). If the BDFL wrote it, what more can I say? ;-) -- Carlos Ribeiro Consultoria em Projetos blog: http://rascunhosrotos.blogspot.com blog: http://pythonnotes.blogspot.com mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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> http://exogen.cwru.edu/python2.png Wow, that's sharp! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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I just noticed the link - are you at Case in Cleveland? I'm in Brooklyn (OH). -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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"EP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > (what is the mascot for C++?) I can't seem to find a goatse link... (But I didn't try very hard.) Nick -- # sigmask || 0.2 || 20030107 || public domain || feed this to a python print reduce(lambda x,y:x+chr(ord(y)-1),' Ojdl!Wbshjti!=obwAcboefstobudi/psh?') -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:54:38 +, Dimitri Tcaciuc wrote: > I haven't came up with the name for that guy yet, so I'm leaving that > for public suggestions :). It is time Python gets an official face in > the Net! *cough* Anyway, I would like to hear your thoughts and suggestions. I mean no offense, this was just my initial reaction: I like the drawing itself, but the first thing that coloration brings to mind is the word "diseased". Sorry, I don't know how to make this sound less brutal without getting that across. But I do like the drawing. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Jeremy Bowers wrote: On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:54:38 +, Dimitri Tcaciuc wrote: I haven't came up with the name for that guy yet, so I'm leaving that for public suggestions :). It is time Python gets an official face in the Net! *cough* Anyway, I would like to hear your thoughts and suggestions. I mean no offense, this was just my initial reaction: I like the drawing itself, but the first thing that coloration brings to mind is the word "diseased". Sorry, I don't know how to make this sound less brutal without getting that across. But I do like the drawing. Yeah, cool drawing, though I also think I'd change the colors too. They don't really match up with the traditional Python icon. If you're on windows this is in the root directory of your Python install, e.g.: C:\Program Files\Python\py.ico I don't know if this file is distributed with the other installs... Anyway, your pic's cool, but I'd prefer to at least keep the same coloring as the traditional Python python. Steve -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Nice drawing! -- Regards, Diez B. Roggisch -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Luis M. Gonzalez wrote: Hey Dimitri, I completely agree with you in that Python needs once for all a cool logo. I like your design very much, but I have a few thoughts about it: 1) I think that Python's logo should reflect its power. If we use a mascot as its image, we would be giving the wrong idea: that Python is a "toy" language, instead of a very good alternative to other mainstream languages. 2) We should also bear in mind Guido's oppinion about using a snake for identifying Python. 3) And finally, we should consider it very seriously. Image is not everything, but it is very important for "marketing" a product. I'm sure that if Java didn't have a cool name and a cool logo, it wouldn't have been that succesfull. I don't mean to sound like I'm rejecting your idea. I really like it alot, and it is an excellent mascot. It's just that I wouldn't use a mascot... I'd rather use a more "killer" image. Something that reflects power and excellence. What do you think? Hehe, well, looking at linux, Tux is definitely not a killer type, yet it became very popular. BSD devil is kind of a cutsy thing, yet it proved to be pretty popular as well. Not sure if the word 'marketing' applies here, but I agree that the logo could probably be 'more serious' than what I proposed above. I'll think about that one some more. Cheers, -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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As far as python.png below is concerned, I am reminded of the structure of the HIV virus: http://www.avert.org/pictures/hivstructure.htm Pleasing to virologists and drug companies, but as a single, computer-type guy, it makes my skin crawl in more ways than one. On Sunday 12 December 2004 07:40 pm, Brian Beck wrote: > Here are a couple of images/logos (quite a bit > different from a mascot) I've been working on... > > http://exogen.cwru.edu/python.png > http://exogen.cwru.edu/python2.png > > If anyone can think of a way to break free of the reptile-oriented > thought process but maintain clear, symbolic imagery, I'd love to see > more suggestions or renditions! -- James Stroud, Ph.D. UCLA-DOE Institute for Genomics and Proteomics 611 Charles E. Young Dr. S. MBI 205, UCLA 951570 Los Angeles CA 90095-1570 http://www.jamesstroud.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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P.s. I never could stand Beanie and Cecil. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Steven Bethard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Lenard Lindstrom wrote: > > Steven Bethard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >>Brian Beck wrote: > >> > >>>http://exogen.cwru.edu/python2.png > >> > >>Oooh, I like this one. Very cool! > >> > > Its visually stunning. But under Windows gears show up in the DLL > > and batch file icons. > > Is that a problem? The fact that they show up in DLLs and batch files > means they're not exclusive to a certain type of file... And neither > of these have pythons winding around them, I believe. ;) > The only reason I bring it up is there are Python Windows icons for .py, .pyw, and .pyc files, but not .pyd extension modules. I make do by setting .pyd files to use the same icon as other DLLs. But if an icon with a snake and gear is made into the new Windows icon for Python it would make me think of the .pyd file icon that should have been. Lenard Lindstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Here are my suggestions: 1. A "larch" (nice play on early Java) 2. Shoebox in middle o' road! (totally meaningless) 3. A Python sitting in a comfy chair (indicating ease-of-use) 4. A "larch" All very Pythonic and non-controversial (unless you're a member of the "Prevention of Cruelty to Shoeboxes Society"). P.S. Anybody know what a larch looks like? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Robert Sent: 14 December 2004 10:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Python mascot proposal What about a dead camel? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Dimitri Tcaciuc wrote: Yup, I was aware of the fact of Monty Python roots of the language name. However, you will probably agree that a snake is more associative. Plus, if to use some characteristic MP feature like a giant foot, I'm not positive that it won't trigger any copyright issues. I prefer an alternate meaning: 2. A diviner by spirits. ``[Manasses] observed omens, and appointed pythons.'' --4 Kings xxi. 6 (Douay version). Since Python is a divine language, and conjures up quick solutions to ghastly problems. And, in the spirit of oracles, reflects the wisdom of the languages design. 8-) Now, how about an icon that conveys something like that? hm... smoke curled around wizard perhaps? -- \/ \/ (O O) -- oOOo~(_)~oOOo Keith Dart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> public key: ID: F3D288E4 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Here are my suggestions: ... > 4. A "larch" > ... > Anybody know what a larch looks like? > Right! Well, some rather good pictures of the Larch on this website (my, stunning, the larch looks, eh?!) http://www.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/PEOPLE/bolder/montypython/larch1.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Hm, interesting. So I'm hearing lots of different opinions here, but it seems like there's not too many radical thoughts about not using snake at all and it can be pretty much summed up to 2 things 1) use a snake 2) combine snake with -some- monty python's symbolic I personally totally like the thought of calling the snake Monty, I couldn't even think of any other alternatives. But before pushing forward any particular design, maybe it will make sense to make some sort of official logo contest on Python's main website and post it on /. ? That should be a better option, since there obviously are waaay more great artists out there than the ones that somehow got on these newsgroups :) So the question is, how can this be arranged? I am pretty new to Python in general, so I don't know how this community's clockwork is arranged and who to contact about that. Any opinions? Dimitri. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Stephan, Since you're one of the directors of the Python Software Foundation, could you let them know about this discussion in order to get their approval? If they agree, maybe you can tell us where and how to held the contest. Just one thought: I think that it would be good to not determine a deadline for the contest. We should let anyone submit their designs until a clear winner shows up, or until Guido or the board of directors chooses a winner. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
