Re(2): 7.1.1 Slowness Revealed! See the light!
SCSI Manager 4.3 was not built into the OS until (I believe) system 8. It was an extension which first appeared with system 7.5. Read this for a good explanation: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=17019 I would not be too certain that the extension is completely system 7.1 compatible either. The AV Quadras are able to run 7.1, but SCSI Manager 4.3 is in ROM on those machines (they also require an enabler to run with 7.1). MacBench was written by Ziff-Davis, They stopped developing or supporting Macintosh Benchmark software years ago, although I believe that you can still download version 5.0 from their FTP site (all references have been removed from their web site). I have copies of the older versions, if you want I can email you a copy (version 1.x or 2.0), or a CD image (version 3.0 or 4.0). Perhaps I will do some benchmarking this weekend on my Q-950. It would be interesting to see what kind of performance boost comes with using SCSI Manager 4.3. Derek On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 11:47 PM, Charles Shannon Hendrix wrote: On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 10:34:17PM -0500, the pickle wrote: SCSI Manager 4.3 doesn't *appear* to get used, even on later OS versions - a guy over on Vintage Macs has had some problems that lead him to believe it isn't active - but that would definitely be a factor, and it's 7.1 compatible, so it should either be installed on both or removed on both. I thought SCSI Manager 4.3 was not needed at some version 7.1 because it was built in? Got a reliable link to a 68K-compatible version of MacBench? I can't seem to find one. I've been looking for that as well. Definitely something nice to have on a site like Gamba's so it doesn't disappear. Who wrote MacBench? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Re(2): 7.1.1 Slowness Revealed! See the light!
At 00:47 -0500 on 03/01/03, Charles Shannon Hendrix wrote: On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 10:34:17PM -0500, the pickle wrote: SCSI Manager 4.3 doesn't *appear* to get used, even on later OS versions - a guy over on Vintage Macs has had some problems that lead him to believe it isn't active - but that would definitely be a factor, and it's 7.1 compatible, so it should either be installed on both or removed on both. I thought SCSI Manager 4.3 was not needed at some version 7.1 because it was built in? It's supposedly included in the ROMs of the AV Quads and also part of 7.5.3 and higher, IIRC. Who wrote MacBench? Ziff-Davis Labs. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re(2): 7.1.1 Slowness Revealed! See the light!
Got a reliable link to a 68K-compatible version of MacBench? I can't seem to find one. I've been looking for that as well. Definitely something nice to have on a site like Gamba's so it doesn't disappear. Who wrote MacBench? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] I got mine at: http://www.thetechpage.com/utilities/benchmarks/macbench/mb40.hqx -- Over, Jutso -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Re(2): 7.1.1 Slowness Revealed! See the light!
On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 10:34:17PM -0500, the pickle wrote: SCSI Manager 4.3 doesn't *appear* to get used, even on later OS versions - a guy over on Vintage Macs has had some problems that lead him to believe it isn't active - but that would definitely be a factor, and it's 7.1 compatible, so it should either be installed on both or removed on both. I thought SCSI Manager 4.3 was not needed at some version 7.1 because it was built in? Got a reliable link to a 68K-compatible version of MacBench? I can't seem to find one. I've been looking for that as well. Definitely something nice to have on a site like Gamba's so it doesn't disappear. Who wrote MacBench? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Re(2): 7.1.1 Slowness Revealed! See the light!
At 10:43 -0600 on 30/12/02, Derek Morton wrote: I haven't seen anybody mention it, but what about the benefit of SCSI manager 4.3? A Quadra 800 will definitely benefit from it, and the SCSI Manager 4.3 doesn't *appear* to get used, even on later OS versions - a guy over on Vintage Macs has had some problems that lead him to believe it isn't active - but that would definitely be a factor, and it's 7.1 compatible, so it should either be installed on both or removed on both. perform better than the second. I would also suggest using MacBench to Got a reliable link to a 68K-compatible version of MacBench? I can't seem to find one. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Re(2): 7.1.1 Slowness Revealed! See the light!
I haven't seen anybody mention it, but what about the benefit of SCSI manager 4.3? A Quadra 800 will definitely benefit from it, and the performance boost MIGHT be as great as 50%. Try removing the SCSI Manager extension and see if the performance drops down to 7.1.1 levels. Also, don't forget that different areas of the same hard drive have different performance characteristics. The first partition will perform better than the second. I would also suggest using MacBench to test your systems. The benchmarking provided by speedometer is quit poor in comparison. Additionally, it is vital that you defragment your drive immediately before doing any sort of hard disk benchmarking, fragmentation can kill you performance. I do my benchmarking with a blank formated drive, with a single partition only a large as it needs to be (in the 200 Meg range)... And definitely not the system drive. Just my 2ยข Derek -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Re(2): 7.1.1 Slowness Revealed! See the light!
Dan, Out of curiosity, what software are you using for your webserver? I just put one up on my q950 and installed some mail software to replace one of my many ill-fated P3 systems and it keeps up really well. I was next thinking of attempting an AU/X install on a q800 since its probably one of the only *nix's i've never used :P -b Yes 7.1 started up a lot quicker. However I don't find 7.5.5 to be as unstable as you claim it to be so. I know my 7.5.5 powered 8600 web server, thats on 24 hours a day, 7 days a week never crashes. I don't even think it ever crashed since I made it a web server 6 months ago. And maybe thats not fair because I don't ever atually sit down and use the 8600 it just sits there, but the Quadra doesn't crash enough to make me care about restart times. So thats not important to me. -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re(2): Re(2): 7.1.1 Slowness Revealed! See the light!
When I first set up my 8600 as a web server I toyed with a lot of server software, like Rumpus, WebStar, and even MS PWS. I found MacHTTP to be the best HTTP server to suit my needs, and NetPresenz to be the best FTP server. Both run simultaneously, ever single day, even right now, perfectly on 7.5.5. NetPresenz can supposedly act as an HTTP and Gopher server as well, but I wasn't able to get NetPresenz working correctly as either. The system software is 7.5.5, but completely stripped down excpet for only whats needed to run web servers. It boots quick and runs excellent. Soon though I may switch over to some other brand of server since my small business is growing and clients need more flexible servers. I don't want to upgrade the system software though. -- From: Quadlist, Sun, Dec 29, 2002 -- Dan, Out of curiosity, what software are you using for your webserver? I just put one up on my q950 and installed some mail software to replace one of my many ill-fated P3 systems and it keeps up really well. I was next thinking of attempting an AU/X install on a q800 since its probably one of the only *nix's i've never used :P -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re(2): 7.1.1 Slowness Revealed! See the light!
At 10:33 -0600 on 29/12/02, Dan Palka wrote: No I did not reformat, 7.1 was installed on another, already partitioned by 7.5.5 hard drive that I used to keep documents on. So I'm guessing they were Different hard drives cannot be compared by benchmarks because the hard disks themselves are much different. Put 7.5 on that drive and I bet you find it's 143% slower too. External, wasn't it? :) -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
