Re: [qubes-users] Re: 3.2.1 / An updated 3.2 iso?
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 1:50:43 PM UTC-5, cooloutac wrote: > Ya I'm not sure I would want the bleeding edge kernel to be replace default > on the iso though. I'd rather be using the most "secure" one. I would even be in favor of replacing fedora 25 with debian stable for "security" reasons haha, but then more people would probably have hardware problems. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/bb9916c1-bbe9-4a56-8f75-2ec1ac169472%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: 3.2.1 / An updated 3.2 iso?
Ya I'm not sure I would want the bleeding edge kernel to be replace default on the iso though. I'd rather be using the most "secure" one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/000451c1-6ae9-44fc-9106-8df62527aa66%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: 3.2.1 / An updated 3.2 iso?
On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 11:41:15 PM UTC-5, Mike Freemon wrote: > On 12/19/2017 01:04 PM, cooloutac wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 10:05:49 AM UTC-5, Vincent Adultman wrote: > >> Hi all > >> > >> > >> > >> We were chatting today in IRC about current user expectations and > >> experiences with the 4 release candidates. While many are happily testing > >> there are indeed some visitors who drop by with the requirement of a daily > >> driver stable system, but have some newer hardware than the kernel on the > >> current 3.2 iso will support. These users seem to be in a somewhat painful > >> position, the bravest are attempting to build their own isos or perform > >> some cross install using a machine that will work. Some fail / give up. > >> > >> > >> > >> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/supported-versions/ suggests that at some > >> point a 3.2.1 release was/is planned, h01ger suggested to me all focus is > >> currently on 4, but can I ask: > >> > >> > >> > >> 1. What are the current plans for 3.2.1? (if it was planned to be anything > >> other than an updated iso) > >> > >> 2. Regardless of 1. is there a possibility of getting an updated 3.2 iso > >> for Christmas, given that some will undoubtedly use the holiday time to > >> try Qubes, quite possibly on shiny new hardware :) > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks for your time. > >> > >> > >> > >> V > > > > sounds like an inherent linux problem, not much qubes can do about that. > > A number of the problems encountered by people trying to install R3.2 on > newer hardware would be avoided if the installation ISO contained a more > recent version of the linux kernel. > > For example, see: > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/qubes-users/fE2HCAdF-U0/eLovum3xAgAJ > > That's what the OP was asking about, if I'm reading it correctly. > > I completely support and appreciate the work of the Qubes team. I can > imagine that updating R3.2 at the same time as finalizing R4 would be > asking a lot. But with the extended support for R3.2[1] driven by the > new minimum hardware requirements, and also considering the lack of a > management GUI, I suspect that the value of a newer R3.2 ISO will become > clear. > > Yes, count me as a technically-savvy person who uses the Qubes Manager > GUI continuously. However, the Qubes team should not take this as a > criticism. I understand the need to prioritize, and I don't disagree > with the decisions that were made. But I do wonder to what extent the > lack of a GUI will slow the adoption of R4. > > [1] > https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2016/09/02/4-0-minimum-requirements-3-2-extended-support/ Well if its included in the stable eol release of fedora I don't see why it shouldn't be default for Qubes. People already complain iso is big though. isn't linux kernel like over 100mb? There is a thread on here about how to boot into text mode and then from there maybe you can compile newer kernel for dom0 using reg tianghas instructions. Also buying that newer hardware doesn't shout someone who truly cares about security to me. Sounds like More for gaming imo. I have a 7700k on a less then a year old board but I use windows on it for gaming. want anything sensitive on that hardware. Not even worth the space for Qubes and gaming machine with ssd drives popular now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/e0056c65-de35-4788-9a36-d98fe10fb808%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Re: 3.2.1 / An updated 3.2 iso?
On 12/19/2017 01:04 PM, cooloutac wrote: > On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 10:05:49 AM UTC-5, Vincent Adultman wrote: >> Hi all >> >> >> >> We were chatting today in IRC about current user expectations and >> experiences with the 4 release candidates. While many are happily testing >> there are indeed some visitors who drop by with the requirement of a daily >> driver stable system, but have some newer hardware than the kernel on the >> current 3.2 iso will support. These users seem to be in a somewhat painful >> position, the bravest are attempting to build their own isos or perform some >> cross install using a machine that will work. Some fail / give up. >> >> >> >> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/supported-versions/ suggests that at some point >> a 3.2.1 release was/is planned, h01ger suggested to me all focus is >> currently on 4, but can I ask: >> >> >> >> 1. What are the current plans for 3.2.1? (if it was planned to be anything >> other than an updated iso) >> >> 2. Regardless of 1. is there a possibility of getting an updated 3.2 iso for >> Christmas, given that some will undoubtedly use the holiday time to try >> Qubes, quite possibly on shiny new hardware :) >> >> >> >> Thanks for your time. >> >> >> >> V > > sounds like an inherent linux problem, not much qubes can do about that. A number of the problems encountered by people trying to install R3.2 on newer hardware would be avoided if the installation ISO contained a more recent version of the linux kernel. For example, see: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/qubes-users/fE2HCAdF-U0/eLovum3xAgAJ That's what the OP was asking about, if I'm reading it correctly. I completely support and appreciate the work of the Qubes team. I can imagine that updating R3.2 at the same time as finalizing R4 would be asking a lot. But with the extended support for R3.2[1] driven by the new minimum hardware requirements, and also considering the lack of a management GUI, I suspect that the value of a newer R3.2 ISO will become clear. Yes, count me as a technically-savvy person who uses the Qubes Manager GUI continuously. However, the Qubes team should not take this as a criticism. I understand the need to prioritize, and I don't disagree with the decisions that were made. But I do wonder to what extent the lack of a GUI will slow the adoption of R4. [1] https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2016/09/02/4-0-minimum-requirements-3-2-extended-support/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/40ae7f43-4e8c-3a0f-9ca4-cf81260df540%40zoho.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: 3.2.1 / An updated 3.2 iso?
On 12/19/2017 01:04 PM, cooloutac wrote: > On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 10:05:49 AM UTC-5, Vincent Adultman wrote: >> Hi all >> >> >> >> We were chatting today in IRC about current user expectations and >> experiences with the 4 release candidates. While many are happily testing >> there are indeed some visitors who drop by with the requirement of a daily >> driver stable system, but have some newer hardware than the kernel on the >> current 3.2 iso will support. These users seem to be in a somewhat painful >> position, the bravest are attempting to build their own isos or perform some >> cross install using a machine that will work. Some fail / give up. >> >> >> >> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/supported-versions/ suggests that at some point >> a 3.2.1 release was/is planned, h01ger suggested to me all focus is >> currently on 4, but can I ask: >> >> >> >> 1. What are the current plans for 3.2.1? (if it was planned to be anything >> other than an updated iso) >> >> 2. Regardless of 1. is there a possibility of getting an updated 3.2 iso for >> Christmas, given that some will undoubtedly use the holiday time to try >> Qubes, quite possibly on shiny new hardware :) >> >> >> >> Thanks for your time. >> >> >> >> V > > sounds like an inherent linux problem, not much qubes can do about that. A number of the problems encountered by people trying to install R3.2 on newer hardware would be avoided if the installation ISO contained a more recent version of the linux kernel. For example, see: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/qubes-users/fE2HCAdF-U0/eLovum3xAgAJ That's what the OP was asking about, if I'm reading it correctly. I completely support and appreciate the work of the Qubes team. I can imagine that updating R3.2 at the same time as finalizing R4 would be asking a lot. But with the extended support for R3.2[1] driven by the new minimum hardware requirements, and also considering the lack of a management GUI, I suspect that the value of a newer R3.2 ISO will become clear. Yes, count me as a technically-savvy person who uses the Qubes Manager GUI continuously. However, the Qubes team should not take this as a criticism. I understand the need to prioritize, and I don't disagree with the decisions that were made. But I do wonder to what extent the lack of a GUI will slow the adoption of R4. [1] https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2016/09/02/4-0-minimum-requirements-3-2-extended-support/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/d6ee4681-caca-46cb-7243-acb668ce0d05%40zoho.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Re: 3.2.1 / An updated 3.2 iso?
On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 10:05:49 AM UTC-5, Vincent Adultman wrote: > Hi all > > > > We were chatting today in IRC about current user expectations and experiences > with the 4 release candidates. While many are happily testing there are > indeed some visitors who drop by with the requirement of a daily driver > stable system, but have some newer hardware than the kernel on the current > 3.2 iso will support. These users seem to be in a somewhat painful position, > the bravest are attempting to build their own isos or perform some cross > install using a machine that will work. Some fail / give up. > > > > https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/supported-versions/ suggests that at some point > a 3.2.1 release was/is planned, h01ger suggested to me all focus is currently > on 4, but can I ask: > > > > 1. What are the current plans for 3.2.1? (if it was planned to be anything > other than an updated iso) > > 2. Regardless of 1. is there a possibility of getting an updated 3.2 iso for > Christmas, given that some will undoubtedly use the holiday time to try > Qubes, quite possibly on shiny new hardware :) > > > > Thanks for your time. > > > > V sounds like an inherent linux problem, not much qubes can do about that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/3cc19e9e-1336-4181-8a86-58e5b46673cc%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
