[RBW] Daruma Bolt Question

2010-08-03 Thread Eric Norris
Wondering if anybody else has had this problem with the daruma fork crown 
bolt that comes with some Honjo fenders.

Basically, the daruma includes a rubber washer that seals against the bottom of 
the fork crown; a metal fender washer sits between the rubber washer and the 
fender.  After I installed the fenders and got in some miles in the rain, I 
noticed that the rubber washer was sealing the bottom of the fork crown and 
preventing water that got in there from draining out.  In fact, the water was 
migrating upward (the only way it could go, really) and escaping around the 
stem.

I checked with Velo Orange, who sold me the fenders, and they said they hadn't 
heard of this problem before, but that it could perhaps be remedied by drilling 
a hole through the washers.

Has anybody else had this problem, and if so, how did you fix it?  I'm 
concerned about water being trapped inside the steerer (I drained everything by 
disassembling the fender mount, but that's a pain to do on a regular basis).

Thanks in advance.

--Eric

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Re: [RBW] Daruma Bolt Question

2010-08-03 Thread Clayton Scott
I drill/file a notch into the fender and rubber washer and rotate it towards
the rear of the bike to allow for proper drainage. Also, the setup is fork
crown, rubber washer, fender, small petal washer, locknut. By doing it your
way (rubber against the crown) it likely provided an even better seal.

Hope this helps,

Clayton

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:

 Wondering if anybody else has had this problem with the daruma fork crown
 bolt that comes with some Honjo fenders.

 Basically, the daruma includes a rubber washer that seals against the
 bottom of the fork crown; a metal fender washer sits between the rubber
 washer and the fender.  After I installed the fenders and got in some miles
 in the rain, I noticed that the rubber washer was sealing the bottom of the
 fork crown and preventing water that got in there from draining out.  In
 fact, the water was migrating upward (the only way it could go, really) and
 escaping around the stem.

 I checked with Velo Orange, who sold me the fenders, and they said they
 hadn't heard of this problem before, but that it could perhaps be remedied
 by drilling a hole through the washers.

 Has anybody else had this problem, and if so, how did you fix it?  I'm
 concerned about water being trapped inside the steerer (I drained everything
 by disassembling the fender mount, but that's a pain to do on a regular
 basis).

 Thanks in advance.

 --Eric

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Re: [RBW] Daruma Bolt Question

2010-08-03 Thread Rene Sterental
I acually use several thicker washers to get the front fenderline
right, depending on the biggest tire you plan to run.

René

On 8/3/10, Clayton Scott clayton...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am an idiot. Do not delete the rubber washer.

 Here is the setup I meant to write the first time around:
 the setup is fork crown, METAL WASHER, rubber washer, fender, small metal
 washer, locknut

 Sorry to add to the confusion.



 On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:

 That's very helpful!  The photo helps a lot--I will reassemble it like
 that
 before it rains.

 --Eric

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 On Aug 3, 2010, at 11:30 AM, John McMurry johnmcmu...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Aug 3, 2:01 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:
  Wondering if anybody else has had this problem with the daruma fork
 crown bolt that comes with some Honjo fenders.
 
  Basically, the daruma includes a rubber washer that seals against the
 bottom of the fork crown; a metal fender washer  sits between the
 rubber washer and the fender.  After I installed the fenders and got in
 some
 miles in the rain, I noticed that the rubber washer was sealing the
 bottom of the fork crown and preventing water that got in there from
 draining out.  In  fact, the water was migrating upward (the only way it
 could go, really) and escaping around the stem.
 
  Yeah, this can be a problem with the daruma setup.  I've noticed
  increased condensation and surface rust inside the steer tube of bikes
  that use this setup (I've since cleaned them thoroughly, sprayed a
  rust preventative in the tube, and inspect annually).  Though, I do
  think that you have the parts arranged incorrectly, which would
  exasperate this issue.
 
  From the fender crown downward, the metal fender washer should be
  installed, then the rubber washer, then the fender.  The metal washer
  doesn't provide a water tight seal, and therefore allows water/sweat
  to drain.
 
  Peter White has an example photo on his website:
 
  http://peterwhitecycles.com/images/products/Accessories/bertffcb.jpg
 
  John McMurry
  Burlington, VT
 
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