Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction and my new MUSA Atlantis

[Patrick Moore]

No special chainrings; just a 8-speed era mtb Logic triple with the outer
ring replaced by a guard. Back with my first friction 10 speed, the crank
was an old TA Pro 5 Vis, but that was a single ring setup.

I've had the 10 speed chain hang up exactly once on the Logic 2X10; this
was so rare an occurrence, and has happened very occasionally with other
drivetrains with less mismatched rings and chain, that I consider it a
fluke.

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 10:28 AM Erik from Saint Paul 
wrote:

> Patrick, thanks for the info on 10 speed friction. Did you use 10 speed
> specific or ramped and pinned chainrings? That's cool to hear someone
> managed to get 12 speed to work in friction. I wonder if they used a clutch
> rear derailleur too, since you mentioned it was used off road? 11 or 12
> speed in friction seems like it would require pretty delicate shifting.
>

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[RBW] Re: Introduction and my new MUSA Atlantis

[Erik from Saint Paul]

Gabe, your Atlantis has a great vintage mtb look to it! No judgements here 
in regards to the bar-ends, it's nice to have a few different hand 
positions. Do you still like the Simworks bar?
I think there was a shop in the Twin Cities that used to sell Rivendell 
bikes, but closed right around the time I moved into town. That's probably 
why there's a fair amount of them around here.

On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 2:39:27 PM UTC-6, Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>
>
> Erik, congratulations on a fantastic Atlantis build!  A fantlantis! or 
> maybe Atlantastic?!
>
> The Twin Cities must be a special place for Atlantii-- I bought mine there 
> in Fall 17, and I love it so much.  Wrote a lenghty post 
> 
>  
> on it in August.
>
> I'm attaching a photo from a long weekend ride from Lincoln down into 
> Kansas via the Homestead and Standing Bear trails.  (yes, those are bar 
> ends on it)  It performed flawlessly.  Next spring I'm planning on taking 
> it on a much longer tour.  
>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction and my new MUSA Atlantis

[Erik from Saint Paul]

Patrick, thanks for the info on 10 speed friction. Did you use 10 speed 
specific or ramped and pinned chainrings? That's cool to hear someone 
managed to get 12 speed to work in friction. I wonder if they used a clutch 
rear derailleur too, since you mentioned it was used off road? 11 or 12 
speed in friction seems like it would require pretty delicate shifting. 

On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 11:48:47 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Erik: I happily shift 10 with bar end shifters and, not only that, but I 
> use a home-made cassette (14-27) with the ramps misaligned, and shift with 
> 1970s-era Suntour Barcons pulling a 8-speed era Dura Ace 74nn rear 
> derailleur -- these both move 'faster' per unit of input, so that the 
> require a finer touch than say, Silver BES and a modern derailleur; I can 
> shift across all 10 cogs within slightly less than a 90* arc of movement at 
> the right shifter. In contrast, the BES 9 speed setup on an earlier bike, 
> with Silvers and lovely, absolutely lovely Microshift road rd required far 
> more movement, but when shifting it was easier to place the chain 
> precisely. But the Silvers moved through what, 140 degrees to traverse the 
> cassette. I blew up that rd when a stick got caught in the rear spokes. 
> FWIW, 15 years ago, I also shifted 10 with Simplex Retrofriction dt 
> shifters; very nice, but the cassettes were stock (Am Cl 11-23 and 12-27) 
> and the shifters had to move through almost 180* to cover the whole 
> cassette.
>
> I've had to polish my technique; it's a combination of firm, manly 
> movement at the shifter -- no hesitation -- with a fine or delicate feel 
> for chain position. It takes more finesse than 8 speed friction, but not so 
> much that I find it annoying. I do enjoy the skill required.
>
> Some time ago, on this or the Bob list, there was a thread of some off 
> road rider who shifts 12 in friction with BES. 
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 9:50 AM Erik from Saint Paul  > wrote:
>
>> I've been curious about how well 10 speed friction works. So many mixed 
>> reviews. The tires are Continental Double Fighter 2"/50mm. I've been really 
>> happy with them so far. A lot of the roads here are full of potholes, 
>> cracks, and bumps, so it's nice to have the extra cushion. I want to say 
>> they cost about $25-$30 a piece.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 4:04:18 PM UTC-6, Jonathan D. wrote:
>>>
>>> Index shifting. I feel like a heretic. I am fine with friction but like 
>>> the index shifting. The crank was hard to install with clearances. The bike 
>>> rides great. What ties are you running?
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[RBW] Re: Introduction and my new MUSA Atlantis

[Jonathan D.]

Gabe-  I still love the build and you get the credit/blame for me buying an 
Atlantis. 

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[RBW] Re: Introduction and my new MUSA Atlantis

[Ash]

Welcome to the group Erik!

Your Atlantis build feels just right.  Not too much. No too little.  Just 
right!  Great color too. If I will ever get my MIT Atlantis repainted, 
that's be dark green.

Wish you many many happy rides!

Ash

On Sunday, 25 November 2018 01:22:37 UTC-5, Erik from Saint Paul wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> I’ve been a lurker for a while, and really enjoy everything I’ve read, 
> learned, and seen on here. 
> For a number of years I’ve been a huge fan of everything Rivendell, but 
> didn’t get the chance to actually ride one until last fall when I was out 
> west for my uncle’s wedding. The wedding was in Lake Tahoe, and I decided 
> to take a few extra days of vacation and enjoy the Bay Area. Obviously 
> being so close to Rivendell, I made it a point to stop by just to check it 
> all out in person. I was immediately greeted by Grant and he sized me up to 
> test out some bikes. Roman and Will pulled out a number of different bikes 
> for me to test out and I fell in love with the Hunq and Atlantis! I was 
> blown away at how friendly everyone was, even though I wasn’t able to buy a 
> bike at that time. 
>
> During the last year I have gone through a divorce, focused on further 
> simplifying aspects of life, sold off a number of bikes and bike related 
> items, and riding more than I was able to in the past; even though I have 
> an incredibly busy schedule between raising two boys and working odd and 
> long hours. The point of selling off my collection of bikes and parts was 
> to hopefully come across a used Atlantis or Hunq, but these do not come up 
> terribly often... A few months ago, Rivendell was selling a MUSA Atlantis 
> frameset that had some paint chips and bottle cage holes that were slightly 
> off center for a nicely discounted price. I immediately bought the bike and 
> couldn’t be happier! 
>
> Anyways, enough rambling... I’d like to thank everyone on this forum and 
> at Rivendell for being solid people and sharing their knowledge and love of 
> fun and practical cycling. 
>
> Erik in St Paul, Minnesota 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction and my new MUSA Atlantis

[Patrick Moore]

Erik: I happily shift 10 with bar end shifters and, not only that, but I
use a home-made cassette (14-27) with the ramps misaligned, and shift with
1970s-era Suntour Barcons pulling a 8-speed era Dura Ace 74nn rear
derailleur -- these both move 'faster' per unit of input, so that the
require a finer touch than say, Silver BES and a modern derailleur; I can
shift across all 10 cogs within slightly less than a 90* arc of movement at
the right shifter. In contrast, the BES 9 speed setup on an earlier bike,
with Silvers and lovely, absolutely lovely Microshift road rd required far
more movement, but when shifting it was easier to place the chain
precisely. But the Silvers moved through what, 140 degrees to traverse the
cassette. I blew up that rd when a stick got caught in the rear spokes.
FWIW, 15 years ago, I also shifted 10 with Simplex Retrofriction dt
shifters; very nice, but the cassettes were stock (Am Cl 11-23 and 12-27)
and the shifters had to move through almost 180* to cover the whole
cassette.

I've had to polish my technique; it's a combination of firm, manly movement
at the shifter -- no hesitation -- with a fine or delicate feel for chain
position. It takes more finesse than 8 speed friction, but not so much that
I find it annoying. I do enjoy the skill required.

Some time ago, on this or the Bob list, there was a thread of some off road
rider who shifts 12 in friction with BES.

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 9:50 AM Erik from Saint Paul 
wrote:

> I've been curious about how well 10 speed friction works. So many mixed
> reviews. The tires are Continental Double Fighter 2"/50mm. I've been really
> happy with them so far. A lot of the roads here are full of potholes,
> cracks, and bumps, so it's nice to have the extra cushion. I want to say
> they cost about $25-$30 a piece.
>
> On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 4:04:18 PM UTC-6, Jonathan D. wrote:
>>
>> Index shifting. I feel like a heretic. I am fine with friction but like
>> the index shifting. The crank was hard to install with clearances. The bike
>> rides great. What ties are you running?
>
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[RBW] Re: Introduction and my new MUSA Atlantis

[Erik from Saint Paul]

I've been curious about how well 10 speed friction works. So many mixed 
reviews. The tires are Continental Double Fighter 2"/50mm. I've been really 
happy with them so far. A lot of the roads here are full of potholes, 
cracks, and bumps, so it's nice to have the extra cushion. I want to say 
they cost about $25-$30 a piece.

On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 4:04:18 PM UTC-6, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> Index shifting. I feel like a heretic. I am fine with friction but like 
> the index shifting. The crank was hard to install with clearances. The bike 
> rides great. What ties are you running?

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[RBW] Re: Introduction and my new MUSA Atlantis

[Jonathan D.]

Index shifting. I feel like a heretic. I am fine with friction but like the 
index shifting. The crank was hard to install with clearances. The bike rides 
great. What ties are you running?

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[RBW] Re: Introduction and my new MUSA Atlantis

[Erik from Saint Paul]

Jonathan,

Glad to hear the deal worked out well for you! Looks like a really nice 
build. Having the ability to quickly swap wheels with different tire sizes 
seems like a great option. Are you running the 10 speed indexed or friction?

On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 9:18:11 AM UTC-6, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> Erik. My Atlantis was never posted. Someone on the list emailed 
> me when I had expressed interest in buying one to say a friend of his was 
> selling. I was actually in St. Paul at the time but wasn’t able to test 
> ride. Ended up just purchasing. I don’t regret it. 
>
> I had it built up with Chocos and an unusual Riv built. I added a 10 speed 
> drive train and cx70 brakes. I have 50 mm Schwalbes now and a set of wheels 
> with 42 tires. Not sure what I like best yet. Here is a pick. 
>
> https://instagram.com/p/Bp3Pi2-F6sx/

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[RBW] Re: Introduction and my new MUSA Atlantis

[Jonathan D.]

Erik. My Atlantis was never posted. Someone on the list emailed
me when I had expressed interest in buying one to say a friend of his was 
selling. I was actually in St. Paul at the time but wasn’t able to test ride. 
Ended up just purchasing. I don’t regret it. 

I had it built up with Chocos and an unusual Riv built. I added a 10 speed 
drive train and cx70 brakes. I have 50 mm Schwalbes now and a set of wheels 
with 42 tires. Not sure what I like best yet. Here is a pick. 

https://instagram.com/p/Bp3Pi2-F6sx/

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[RBW] Re: Introduction and my new MUSA Atlantis

[MCT]

Nice setup.  The Brooks saddle has a nice color against the frame.   Hope you 
enjoy it.  

Matt in OKC 

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[RBW] Re: Introduction and my new MUSA Atlantis

[Erik in St Paul]

Thank you all for the warm welcome!

The setup of the bike has worked nicely; it's incredibly comfortable and 
functioned well with everything I've thrown at it. With temps dropping and 
winter taking hold, I'll be putting studded tires on shortly. I'm 
interested to see how it behaves, but have little doubt all will be well.

Patrick, it's funny how quickly we can adapt to change and taking on added 
responsibilities. There's no doubt it has been difficult at times for you 
raising your kids, but I'm sure it has been an incredible experience.

Deacon, you're absolutely right about the big frame/low saddle combo; it's 
worked really well so far. I thoroughly enjoy your posts about riding in 
the mountains, and your Hunqabeam is such a killer bike!

Bicycle Belle, Minnesota is definitely a terrific place to live for 
multiple reasons. The winters are a little rough, but over the past 5 years 
of living here, I've accepted them for what they are.

Jonathan, was your Atlantis listed on craigslist? I'm more than happy to 
have helped re-balance the distribution of Atlanti(?).


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[RBW] Re: Introduction and my new MUSA Atlantis

[Mark Schneider]

Well done, and congratulations. I really enjoy my Atlantis with a fairly 
similar build.

On Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 10:22:37 PM UTC-8, Erik in St Paul wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> I’ve been a lurker for a while, and really enjoy everything I’ve read, 
> learned, and seen on here. 
> For a number of years I’ve been a huge fan of everything Rivendell, but 
> didn’t get the chance to actually ride one until last fall when I was out 
> west for my uncle’s wedding. The wedding was in Lake Tahoe, and I decided 
> to take a few extra days of vacation and enjoy the Bay Area. Obviously 
> being so close to Rivendell, I made it a point to stop by just to check it 
> all out in person. I was immediately greeted by Grant and he sized me up to 
> test out some bikes. Roman and Will pulled out a number of different bikes 
> for me to test out and I fell in love with the Hunq and Atlantis! I was 
> blown away at how friendly everyone was, even though I wasn’t able to buy a 
> bike at that time. 
>
> During the last year I have gone through a divorce, focused on further 
> simplifying aspects of life, sold off a number of bikes and bike related 
> items, and riding more than I was able to in the past; even though I have 
> an incredibly busy schedule between raising two boys and working odd and 
> long hours. The point of selling off my collection of bikes and parts was 
> to hopefully come across a used Atlantis or Hunq, but these do not come up 
> terribly often... A few months ago, Rivendell was selling a MUSA Atlantis 
> frameset that had some paint chips and bottle cage holes that were slightly 
> off center for a nicely discounted price. I immediately bought the bike and 
> couldn’t be happier! 
>
> Anyways, enough rambling... I’d like to thank everyone on this forum and 
> at Rivendell for being solid people and sharing their knowledge and love of 
> fun and practical cycling. 
>
> Erik in St Paul, Minnesota 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Introduction and my new MUSA Atlantis

[Evan E.]

Welcome, Erik! Sweet bike.

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[RBW] Re: Introduction and my new MUSA Atlantis

[phil k]

Awesome Atlantis Erik!

On Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 1:22:37 AM UTC-5, Erik in St Paul wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> I’ve been a lurker for a while, and really enjoy everything I’ve read, 
> learned, and seen on here. 
> For a number of years I’ve been a huge fan of everything Rivendell, but 
> didn’t get the chance to actually ride one until last fall when I was out 
> west for my uncle’s wedding. The wedding was in Lake Tahoe, and I decided 
> to take a few extra days of vacation and enjoy the Bay Area. Obviously 
> being so close to Rivendell, I made it a point to stop by just to check it 
> all out in person. I was immediately greeted by Grant and he sized me up to 
> test out some bikes. Roman and Will pulled out a number of different bikes 
> for me to test out and I fell in love with the Hunq and Atlantis! I was 
> blown away at how friendly everyone was, even though I wasn’t able to buy a 
> bike at that time. 
>
> During the last year I have gone through a divorce, focused on further 
> simplifying aspects of life, sold off a number of bikes and bike related 
> items, and riding more than I was able to in the past; even though I have 
> an incredibly busy schedule between raising two boys and working odd and 
> long hours. The point of selling off my collection of bikes and parts was 
> to hopefully come across a used Atlantis or Hunq, but these do not come up 
> terribly often... A few months ago, Rivendell was selling a MUSA Atlantis 
> frameset that had some paint chips and bottle cage holes that were slightly 
> off center for a nicely discounted price. I immediately bought the bike and 
> couldn’t be happier! 
>
> Anyways, enough rambling... I’d like to thank everyone on this forum and 
> at Rivendell for being solid people and sharing their knowledge and love of 
> fun and practical cycling. 
>
> Erik in St Paul, Minnesota 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Introduction and my new MUSA Atlantis

['Tom M' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Congrats, beautiful bike.
Tom in Alexandria, VA

On Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 8:55:06 AM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> Really fine bike, nicely appointed too.  Congrats, Erik, and have fun with 
> it!
>
> Tom
>
> On Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 1:22:37 AM UTC-5, Erik Roalson wrote:
>>
>> Hi, 
>>
>> I’ve been a lurker for a while, and really enjoy everything I’ve read, 
>> learned, and seen on here. 
>> For a number of years I’ve been a huge fan of everything Rivendell, but 
>> didn’t get the chance to actually ride one until last fall when I was out 
>> west for my uncle’s wedding. The wedding was in Lake Tahoe, and I decided 
>> to take a few extra days of vacation and enjoy the Bay Area. Obviously 
>> being so close to Rivendell, I made it a point to stop by just to check it 
>> all out in person. I was immediately greeted by Grant and he sized me up to 
>> test out some bikes. Roman and Will pulled out a number of different bikes 
>> for me to test out and I fell in love with the Hunq and Atlantis! I was 
>> blown away at how friendly everyone was, even though I wasn’t able to buy a 
>> bike at that time. 
>>
>> During the last year I have gone through a divorce, focused on further 
>> simplifying aspects of life, sold off a number of bikes and bike related 
>> items, and riding more than I was able to in the past; even though I have 
>> an incredibly busy schedule between raising two boys and working odd and 
>> long hours. The point of selling off my collection of bikes and parts was 
>> to hopefully come across a used Atlantis or Hunq, but these do not come up 
>> terribly often... A few months ago, Rivendell was selling a MUSA Atlantis 
>> frameset that had some paint chips and bottle cage holes that were slightly 
>> off center for a nicely discounted price. I immediately bought the bike and 
>> couldn’t be happier! 
>>
>> Anyways, enough rambling... I’d like to thank everyone on this forum and 
>> at Rivendell for being solid people and sharing their knowledge and love of 
>> fun and practical cycling. 
>>
>> Erik in St Paul, Minnesota 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Introduction and my new MUSA Atlantis

[tc]

Really fine bike, nicely appointed too.  Congrats, Erik, and have fun with 
it!

Tom

On Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 1:22:37 AM UTC-5, Erik Roalson wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> I’ve been a lurker for a while, and really enjoy everything I’ve read, 
> learned, and seen on here. 
> For a number of years I’ve been a huge fan of everything Rivendell, but 
> didn’t get the chance to actually ride one until last fall when I was out 
> west for my uncle’s wedding. The wedding was in Lake Tahoe, and I decided 
> to take a few extra days of vacation and enjoy the Bay Area. Obviously 
> being so close to Rivendell, I made it a point to stop by just to check it 
> all out in person. I was immediately greeted by Grant and he sized me up to 
> test out some bikes. Roman and Will pulled out a number of different bikes 
> for me to test out and I fell in love with the Hunq and Atlantis! I was 
> blown away at how friendly everyone was, even though I wasn’t able to buy a 
> bike at that time. 
>
> During the last year I have gone through a divorce, focused on further 
> simplifying aspects of life, sold off a number of bikes and bike related 
> items, and riding more than I was able to in the past; even though I have 
> an incredibly busy schedule between raising two boys and working odd and 
> long hours. The point of selling off my collection of bikes and parts was 
> to hopefully come across a used Atlantis or Hunq, but these do not come up 
> terribly often... A few months ago, Rivendell was selling a MUSA Atlantis 
> frameset that had some paint chips and bottle cage holes that were slightly 
> off center for a nicely discounted price. I immediately bought the bike and 
> couldn’t be happier! 
>
> Anyways, enough rambling... I’d like to thank everyone on this forum and 
> at Rivendell for being solid people and sharing their knowledge and love of 
> fun and practical cycling. 
>
> Erik in St Paul, Minnesota 
>
>

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