Re: [recoznet2] Re: ABC Transcript: The E.S. "Nigger" Brown stand
Lance Kelly wrote: > meanwhile aboriginal men die over simple curable illnesses blindness, > alcoholism, diabetes, and social isolation poor third world housing > conditions > rather than hearing politically correct words what is being done about that? > What actions are being taken NOW? > How does an aboriginal man access equitable health? > These questions are more important to me than words which we can rise over. > > Id love to hear some aboriginal males who has sesnse of what I'm talking > about on this group. And I would love to see you mention people instead of just males. Trudy --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Re: [recoznet2] Re: ABC Transcript: The E.S. "Nigger" Brown stand
Trudy, The good news for me was that 200 aboriginal people collectively signed a particpation. To me I have more respect for their wishes than the individual people who get up in arms about things and dont first have the support of the community in that area. We sometimes get lost in the words and language of one person ...I notice they called the man chasing the change an activistyet the people who signed the petition are 200 aboriginal people (not white) signed ...?? Who is more active here ?? And is this democracy if the people directly affected see it as OK. You said Judy, he was a white footballer, Im a little confused here I was under the assumption that the footballer was an aboriginal man who had white skin and white hair and he was called nigger brown because even though he looked white he was actually black? Anyway Im probably wrong but no matter the issues that a collective response to something like this by the community that live there is more important than the issue of political correctedness. Im called a fat bastard I have no choice in this I am fat...so what ? We waste so much time and resources on words that the real issues do not get dealt with. Because Im "asthmatic" Im not allowed to diveI dont like being called fat or asthmatic...but I have no control over what people want to say about me eitherso does it really matter?.I get threatened and intimidated by people but can I do anything about that ...no I cant unless they lay a hand on me and I have a witness to it I cannot do a thing... meanwhile aboriginal men die over simple curable illnesses blindness, alcoholism, diabetes, and social isolation poor third world housing conditions rather than hearing politically correct words what is being done about that? What actions are being taken NOW? How does an aboriginal man access equitable health? These questions are more important to me than words which we can rise over. Id love to hear some aboriginal males who has sesnse of what I'm talking about on this group. Regards, Lance. - Original Message - From: Trudy and Rod Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Re: ABC Transcript: The E.S. "Nigger" Brown stand > He wasn't an Aboriginal man, Lance. He was a white man whose fair skin and blond hair led people to nickname > him "Nigger". Like calling a tall man "shorty". > "Nigger" is a derogatory term and it is perfectly understandable that some people take offence at this. The > fact that other Aboriginal people want to leave the name the way it is could be because they think there are > more important things to fight for. > I don't know, I am speculating. It is difficult to find out from a few news articles all the ins and outs of > the situation. Unless one is on the scene, I don't think anyone can say how many people within the community > are for or against. > > Trudy > > Lance Kelly wrote: > > > Question regarding this statement, > > > > So where are the supporters stating that it shouldnt be the name? > > How many supporters does this person have? > > 200 aboriginal supporters saying they wish for it to stay the same bares no > > semblance to one man sayiong it shouldnt be there. > > Who is the community 1 man or 200 people. > > Your argument is not relative at all, and why should one man who doenst live > > there have the right to tell teh community who do live there how they should > > remember a famous aborigianl man in the region? > > Regards, Lance. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Laurie Forde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; news-clip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 9:24 AM > > Subject: [recoznet2] Re: ABC Transcript: The E.S. "Nigger" Brown stand > > > > > Approximately 200 Aborigines signed the petition calling for the offensive > > > name to be retained. > > > > > > The Aboriginal Community in Toowoomba numbers about 6000. > > > > > > The ABC's John Taylor is issueing a false report when he states that the > > > "Toowoomba Aboriginal Community" has voted the name should stay. > > > > > > Laurie. > > > > > > Laurie and Desley Forde [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trudy Bray wrote... > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Trudy Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: news-clip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Saturday, July 31, 199
Re: [recoznet2] Re: ABC Transcript: The E.S. "Nigger" Brown stand
He wasn't an Aboriginal man, Lance. He was a white man whose fair skin and blond hair led people to nickname him "Nigger". Like calling a tall man "shorty". "Nigger" is a derogatory term and it is perfectly understandable that some people take offence at this. The fact that other Aboriginal people want to leave the name the way it is could be because they think there are more important things to fight for. I don't know, I am speculating. It is difficult to find out from a few news articles all the ins and outs of the situation. Unless one is on the scene, I don't think anyone can say how many people within the community are for or against. Trudy Lance Kelly wrote: > Question regarding this statement, > > So where are the supporters stating that it shouldnt be the name? > How many supporters does this person have? > 200 aboriginal supporters saying they wish for it to stay the same bares no > semblance to one man sayiong it shouldnt be there. > Who is the community 1 man or 200 people. > Your argument is not relative at all, and why should one man who doenst live > there have the right to tell teh community who do live there how they should > remember a famous aborigianl man in the region? > Regards, Lance. > > - Original Message - > From: Laurie Forde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; news-clip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 9:24 AM > Subject: [recoznet2] Re: ABC Transcript: The E.S. "Nigger" Brown stand > > > Approximately 200 Aborigines signed the petition calling for the offensive > > name to be retained. > > > > The Aboriginal Community in Toowoomba numbers about 6000. > > > > The ABC's John Taylor is issueing a false report when he states that the > > "Toowoomba Aboriginal Community" has voted the name should stay. > > > > Laurie. > > > > Laurie and Desley Forde [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Trudy Bray wrote... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Trudy Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: news-clip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Saturday, July 31, 1999 6:09 PM > > Subject: ABC Transcript: The E.S. "Nigger" Brown stand > > > > > > The E.S. "Nigger" Brown stand > > > > The World Today - Friday, July30, 199912:53 > > > > COMPERE: Well, as a term of racial abuse, "nigger" is > > probably one of the worst. But is it acceptable when it's also > > a hero athlete's name, or at least part of his nick-name? > > That's the argument that's taking place in Queensland over > > the name of a grandstand at Toowoomba Athletic Oval. It's > > called the E.S. Nigger-Brown Stand. This has drawn > > outrage from many and a complaint to the Human Rights > > and Equal Opportunity Commission. > > > > However, in what many people think would be a surprising > > move, the Toowoomba Aboriginal Community has voted that > > the name should stay. > > > > John Taylor. > > > > JOHN TAYLOR: His real name was Edward Stanley Brown, > > and in Toowoomba he was admired for playing in the 1921 > > Kangaroos rugby league side. He was better known by his > > nick-name, "Nigger", which apparently he got as a child > > because he had fair skin and blonde hair. And in the late > > 1960s, a grandstand at Toowoomba's Athletic Oval was > > named in his honour, the E.S. Nigger-Brown Stand. > > > > Last month a local Aboriginal activist, Steve Haigan, > > demanded it be changed, but the Toowoomba Sports > > Ground Trust said no way. But the issue hasn't died, > > especially since it's now been referred to the Human Rights > > and Equal Opportunity Commission. But yesterday the > > debate took a new twist, with a meeting of local Toowoomba > > Aboriginal people voting the tag "nigger" should stay. > > > > Wally McCarthy from the Aboriginal Services Centre says > > more than 120 local Aborigines have spoken. > > > > WALLY McCARTHY: I hope it's the end of it and I hope the > > name's still there. We've done a resolution which will be > > under the Commission, and also other petitions, and I hope > > they take it into consideration at the ... of the members of > > the Aboriginal community and the support that we've given > > to Mr Brown. > > > > JOHN TAYLOR: But not everyone in the Aboriginal > > community agrees with keeping the name. ATSI
Re: [recoznet2] Re: ABC Transcript: The E.S. "Nigger" Brown stand
Question regarding this statement, So where are the supporters stating that it shouldnt be the name? How many supporters does this person have? 200 aboriginal supporters saying they wish for it to stay the same bares no semblance to one man sayiong it shouldnt be there. Who is the community 1 man or 200 people. Your argument is not relative at all, and why should one man who doenst live there have the right to tell teh community who do live there how they should remember a famous aborigianl man in the region? Regards, Lance. - Original Message - From: Laurie Forde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; news-clip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 9:24 AM Subject: [recoznet2] Re: ABC Transcript: The E.S. "Nigger" Brown stand > Approximately 200 Aborigines signed the petition calling for the offensive > name to be retained. > > The Aboriginal Community in Toowoomba numbers about 6000. > > The ABC's John Taylor is issueing a false report when he states that the > "Toowoomba Aboriginal Community" has voted the name should stay. > > Laurie. > > Laurie and Desley Forde [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Trudy Bray wrote... > > > -Original Message- > From: Trudy Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: news-clip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Saturday, July 31, 1999 6:09 PM > Subject: ABC Transcript: The E.S. "Nigger" Brown stand > > > The E.S. "Nigger" Brown stand > > The World Today - Friday, July30, 199912:53 > > COMPERE: Well, as a term of racial abuse, "nigger" is > probably one of the worst. But is it acceptable when it's also > a hero athlete's name, or at least part of his nick-name? > That's the argument that's taking place in Queensland over > the name of a grandstand at Toowoomba Athletic Oval. It's > called the E.S. Nigger-Brown Stand. This has drawn > outrage from many and a complaint to the Human Rights > and Equal Opportunity Commission. > > However, in what many people think would be a surprising > move, the Toowoomba Aboriginal Community has voted that > the name should stay. > > John Taylor. > > JOHN TAYLOR: His real name was Edward Stanley Brown, > and in Toowoomba he was admired for playing in the 1921 > Kangaroos rugby league side. He was better known by his > nick-name, "Nigger", which apparently he got as a child > because he had fair skin and blonde hair. And in the late > 1960s, a grandstand at Toowoomba's Athletic Oval was > named in his honour, the E.S. Nigger-Brown Stand. > > Last month a local Aboriginal activist, Steve Haigan, > demanded it be changed, but the Toowoomba Sports > Ground Trust said no way. But the issue hasn't died, > especially since it's now been referred to the Human Rights > and Equal Opportunity Commission. But yesterday the > debate took a new twist, with a meeting of local Toowoomba > Aboriginal people voting the tag "nigger" should stay. > > Wally McCarthy from the Aboriginal Services Centre says > more than 120 local Aborigines have spoken. > > WALLY McCARTHY: I hope it's the end of it and I hope the > name's still there. We've done a resolution which will be > under the Commission, and also other petitions, and I hope > they take it into consideration at the ... of the members of > the Aboriginal community and the support that we've given > to Mr Brown. > > JOHN TAYLOR: But not everyone in the Aboriginal > community agrees with keeping the name. ATSIC > Commissioner, Col Dillon, told the ABC's Francis Tapim the > word "nigger" is in no way, shape or form acceptable. > > COL DILLON: I'm absolutely bewildered. I'm absolutely > appalled to think that any of our people would be supportive > of a stand being named in such derogatory terms. It's terms > like that and similar terms that we have been fighting in this > nation to eradicate. > > JOHN TAYLOR: It's a fight Wally McCarthy has participated > in, but in this instance in Toowoomba the name should stay. > > > The word "nigger" is extremely offensive when used in > normal, everyday language in Australia. Why isn't it > offensive when it's on a football stand at Toowoomba? > > WALLY McCARTHY: I mean, you look at it, I suppose, in a > couple of contexts. We use "nigger" a lot. You know, we've > got black people that we call "nigger". You know, you can > look at it ... I mean, I've had fights over being called "nigger" > in the early 70s here in Toowoomba. I mean, I'm 65 and I'll &g
[recoznet2] Re: ABC Transcript: The E.S. "Nigger" Brown stand
Approximately 200 Aborigines signed the petition calling for the offensive name to be retained. The Aboriginal Community in Toowoomba numbers about 6000. The ABC's John Taylor is issueing a false report when he states that the "Toowoomba Aboriginal Community" has voted the name should stay. Laurie. Laurie and Desley Forde [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trudy Bray wrote... -Original Message- From: Trudy Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: news-clip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, July 31, 1999 6:09 PM Subject: ABC Transcript: The E.S. "Nigger" Brown stand The E.S. "Nigger" Brown stand The World Today - Friday, July30, 199912:53 COMPERE: Well, as a term of racial abuse, "nigger" is probably one of the worst. But is it acceptable when it's also a hero athlete's name, or at least part of his nick-name? That's the argument that's taking place in Queensland over the name of a grandstand at Toowoomba Athletic Oval. It's called the E.S. Nigger-Brown Stand. This has drawn outrage from many and a complaint to the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission. However, in what many people think would be a surprising move, the Toowoomba Aboriginal Community has voted that the name should stay. John Taylor. JOHN TAYLOR: His real name was Edward Stanley Brown, and in Toowoomba he was admired for playing in the 1921 Kangaroos rugby league side. He was better known by his nick-name, "Nigger", which apparently he got as a child because he had fair skin and blonde hair. And in the late 1960s, a grandstand at Toowoomba's Athletic Oval was named in his honour, the E.S. Nigger-Brown Stand. Last month a local Aboriginal activist, Steve Haigan, demanded it be changed, but the Toowoomba Sports Ground Trust said no way. But the issue hasn't died, especially since it's now been referred to the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission. But yesterday the debate took a new twist, with a meeting of local Toowoomba Aboriginal people voting the tag "nigger" should stay. Wally McCarthy from the Aboriginal Services Centre says more than 120 local Aborigines have spoken. WALLY McCARTHY: I hope it's the end of it and I hope the name's still there. We've done a resolution which will be under the Commission, and also other petitions, and I hope they take it into consideration at the ... of the members of the Aboriginal community and the support that we've given to Mr Brown. JOHN TAYLOR: But not everyone in the Aboriginal community agrees with keeping the name. ATSIC Commissioner, Col Dillon, told the ABC's Francis Tapim the word "nigger" is in no way, shape or form acceptable. COL DILLON: I'm absolutely bewildered. I'm absolutely appalled to think that any of our people would be supportive of a stand being named in such derogatory terms. It's terms like that and similar terms that we have been fighting in this nation to eradicate. JOHN TAYLOR: It's a fight Wally McCarthy has participated in, but in this instance in Toowoomba the name should stay. The word "nigger" is extremely offensive when used in normal, everyday language in Australia. Why isn't it offensive when it's on a football stand at Toowoomba? WALLY McCARTHY: I mean, you look at it, I suppose, in a couple of contexts. We use "nigger" a lot. You know, we've got black people that we call "nigger". You know, you can look at it ... I mean, I've had fights over being called "nigger" in the early 70s here in Toowoomba. I mean, I'm 65 and I'll fight if somebody calls me "nigger." It all depends how it's said and, you know, as I said, they can say it, I suppose, in a couple of contexts. But this man's been given this name long before we were born and it's stuck with him, and it's on the stand, and I hope it stops there. It was here before I came, 30 years ago. I hope it can be there long after I'm gone. JOHN TAYLOR: The matter is now in the hands of the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission. If it can't be conciliated, it will likely go to public hearings and could end with the Toowoomba Sports Ground Trust being forced to remove the name, regardless of local support. COMPERE: John Taylor reporting Queensland affairs for The World Today, and that's the programme for this Friday and this week, of course. c 1999 Australian Broadcasting Corporation * This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the mess
