Re: Redhat Transition issue
On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 11:44:30AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Transistions can be a pain. If you write your own software you really > need one system to install, fix recompile, and debug until it works. This is a good case where VMware can help you. Install each new release in a separate virtual machine and debug as required. It allows you a relatively easy way to test multiple versions on multiple kernels with minimal pain. You could even install Red Hat beta releases in a virtual machine so that you can be ready when it ships. Keep a rawhide virtual machine lying around and you can test bleeding edge stuff. VMware is commercial, but it's designed for cases like this and works VERY well. .../Ed (a VMware customer) -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Redhat Transition issue
Hi, Transistions can be a pain. If you write your own software you really need one system to install, fix recompile, and debug until it works. Somethings like corelword perfect you can get to work by loading the c library that came with 6.2 on your computer along with 7.2. I know it is not fun even if everything moves gracefully it is a pain to have to check every function ect to make sure it works. One of the advantages of doing it yourself is you get controll one of the disadvantages is you have to create the fixes if the underlying componets change. Sometimes there is no other option than late nights and hardwork. Developer lists for software that interacts with your private software and documentation from change logs should make it easier to figure out what you need to change. Linda Hanigan ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Redhat Transition issue
Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 03:53:05PM -0500, Trond Eivind Glomsrød wrote: > > Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 01:27:21PM +0530, Ashwin Khandare wrote: > > > > a)There has been change in directory structure to some >extent > > > > b)Path of various configuration files have been changed > > > > c)New libraries have been introduced > > > > > > That's an unfortunate side-effect of major releases and an every-changing > > > platform base. You'll also see similar problems transitioning from one > > > distribution to another. > > > > > > To make matters worse, if you install a Red Hat package and then decide you > > > want to install the original developer's version instead, you may find that > > > files have moved around since Red Hat wants to follow their own > > > standards. > > > > Hardly. Many packages are not FHS-compliant, however, and we fix them. > > I'm not saying that what you do is bad. Some of the raw sources that you must > deal with (at least some of what I've seen) don't conform to any normal Linux > standards - some are simply for another Unix base or based on what the original > author thinks is right. You have the right (and I say the obligation) to > deliver a distribution that makes sense, and you've done so. > > > > Since 8.0 is not even beta yet, you probably won't get an official statement. > > > However, since most of the Linux distributors are slowly migrating to the > > > Linux Standard Base, and Red Hat is currently not compliant, I would expect > > > more stuff to move around again. > > > > It's very close to comformant, like pretty much everyone else. > > So, to get back to the original poster's question, can we/he expect things to > move around, or is it too early in the development cycle to make general > commments like this? As far as LSB goes, things won't change much from what they are now. He's depending on things outside the scope of LSB, like perl, PHP etc. These change, and paticulary binary modules for these seldom/never stay compatible on multiple major versions. -- Trond Eivind Glomsrød Red Hat, Inc. ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Redhat Transition issue
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 03:53:05PM -0500, Trond Eivind Glomsrød wrote: > Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 01:27:21PM +0530, Ashwin Khandare wrote: > > > a)There has been change in directory structure to some >extent > > > b)Path of various configuration files have been changed > > > c)New libraries have been introduced > > > > That's an unfortunate side-effect of major releases and an every-changing > > platform base. You'll also see similar problems transitioning from one > > distribution to another. > > > > To make matters worse, if you install a Red Hat package and then decide you > > want to install the original developer's version instead, you may find that > > files have moved around since Red Hat wants to follow their own > > standards. > > Hardly. Many packages are not FHS-compliant, however, and we fix them. I'm not saying that what you do is bad. Some of the raw sources that you must deal with (at least some of what I've seen) don't conform to any normal Linux standards - some are simply for another Unix base or based on what the original author thinks is right. You have the right (and I say the obligation) to deliver a distribution that makes sense, and you've done so. > > Since 8.0 is not even beta yet, you probably won't get an official statement. > > However, since most of the Linux distributors are slowly migrating to the > > Linux Standard Base, and Red Hat is currently not compliant, I would expect > > more stuff to move around again. > > It's very close to comformant, like pretty much everyone else. So, to get back to the original poster's question, can we/he expect things to move around, or is it too early in the development cycle to make general commments like this? Have directory structures stabilized now? How much upward compatibility can developers expect going forward? Cheers, .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Redhat Transition issue
Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 01:27:21PM +0530, Ashwin Khandare wrote: > > a)There has been change in directory structure to some >extent > > b)Path of various configuration files have been changed > > c)New libraries have been introduced > > That's an unfortunate side-effect of major releases and an every-changing > platform base. You'll also see similar problems transitioning from one > distribution to another. > > To make matters worse, if you install a Red Hat package and then decide you > want to install the original developer's version instead, you may find that > files have moved around since Red Hat wants to follow their own > standards. Hardly. Many packages are not FHS-compliant, however, and we fix them. > Since 8.0 is not even beta yet, you probably won't get an official statement. > However, since most of the Linux distributors are slowly migrating to the > Linux Standard Base, and Red Hat is currently not compliant, I would expect > more stuff to move around again. It's very close to comformant, like pretty much everyone else. -- Trond Eivind Glomsrød Red Hat, Inc. ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Redhat Transition issue
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 01:27:21PM +0530, Ashwin Khandare wrote: > a)There has been change in directory structure to some extent > b)Path of various configuration files have been changed > c)New libraries have been introduced That's an unfortunate side-effect of major releases and an every-changing platform base. You'll also see similar problems transitioning from one distribution to another. To make matters worse, if you install a Red Hat package and then decide you want to install the original developer's version instead, you may find that files have moved around since Red Hat wants to follow their own standards. You'll run into the same problems porting your application from one commercial Unix to another. The Linux Standard Base is addressing this issue, and Red Hat is a member. See http://www.linuxbase.org for some more info. > My question is whether there are any fix update pattern when transitioning >from one version to another? > How do we transition from 6.2 to 7.2 with software working on same w/o any >problem?Are their any patches that we need to install to get it to work? For starters, you've skipped 7.0 and 7.1 so you'll probably want to read the release notes for each of those releases as well as the 7.2 release notes. I don't know how well each of the directory path changes are documented though. There are some compability libraries that you can install for some components but since I'm not a developer, I don't have much for details on these. > Also in case even soemhow if we get it to work on 7.2 , will it still work >on 8.0 when it will be released.? Since 8.0 is not even beta yet, you probably won't get an official statement. However, since most of the Linux distributors are slowly migrating to the Linux Standard Base, and Red Hat is currently not compliant, I would expect more stuff to move around again. > This issue is bothering us badly and we need a solution for the same >immediately. Asking for immediate support in a public forum not supported by the vendor is probably not going to keep you satisfied. If you pay for support, you get better answers than what I can give you for free on my own time (and no, I have no affiliation with Red Hat other than as a customer and a member of their Community Ambassador Program). -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Redhat Transition issue
hi everybody, We have built a software using shell,perl ,php etc that runs on this 6.2 linux box properly. But we r facing major problem in transitioning to 7.2 since our software dont run on 7.2 and it crashes.The reason we have been able to investigate so far is that a)There has been change in directory structure to some extent b)Path of various configuration files have been changed c)New libraries have been introduced My question is whether there are any fix update pattern when transitioning from one version to another? How do we transition from 6.2 to 7.2 with software working on same w/o any problem?Are their any patches that we need to install to get it to work? Also in case even soemhow if we get it to work on 7.2 , will it still work on 8.0 when it will be released.? This issue is bothering us badly and we need a solution for the same immediately. Therefore I kindly request to u to respond as early as possible. Thank you very much in advance Ashwin Khandare Software Engineer Mobile - 9869019116
