Re: [RDD] Big Book of Rivendell Cookbook?

[Frank Christel]

Rob,

We’re two FM / five HD stations licensed to The University of Tulsa. One 
station is NPR news/talk and the other is all-classical. Our HDs include an 
American songbook music channel, a jazz channel, and a 24/7 BBC World Service 
channel.

https://www.publicradiotulsa.org

Basically, we would need Rivendell to replace our network of ten BSI Simian 
workstations located in three studios, a master control, and one office, all 
tied together by a ZFS server. Programming originates from our studios, four 
NPR satellite receivers, Content Depot, and PRX SubAuto.

The motivating factor behind considering a switch to Rivendell is the utter 
madness induced by Windows 10 updates over which we have little control. Our 
Simians ran fine on XP; were stable running 7; but are now falling apart on 10. 
Factory fixes include obscure registry tweaks on individual machines following 
Windows updates. In the meantime, too much dead air and 3 am calls.

Even in the midst of all this insanity, zombie-eyed staff are embracing the 
devil they know rather than the one they don’t. It’s going to be a hard sell to 
switch automation systems for a third time; it took ten years for them to 
adjust to this one.

Frank



On 2/26/2020, at 10:26 AM, Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:

What do you need Rivendell to do? I have it running on two satellite-driven 
commercial news/talk stations in New Hampshire, and on a CPB-funded, but 
locally programmed, music station in Boston, among others.

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Re: [RDD] Big Book of Rivendell Cookbook?

[Tim Camp]

BTW for the cold dead hands person, audition 3.0 runs quite well under wine
4.2 and above on Linux.

Tim Camp
WZEW-FM


On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 5:20 PM drew Roberts  wrote:

> Frank,
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 5:48 PM Frank Christel 
> wrote:
>
>> Drew, you asked “I am not aware of a book like you are looking for. Can
>> you give a little more details as to what sort of things you would want it
>> to cover?”
>>
>> It’s always my hope when embarking on new explorations (such as a journey
>> to Rivendell) that someone has written a travel guide.
>
>
> I think we may be somewhat similar in this. I tend to prefer HOW-TOs to
> man pages. Even though I know I should invest the time and it will likely
> pay off big in the long run, I have never quite managed to grok man pages.
> I much prefer several variations or working examples from which I can mix
> and match and extrapolate.
>
> Do you have a favourite example of this genre of book on another subject?
>
>
>> Something that doesn’t so much explain the nuts and bolts of how things
>> work, but instead tells inspiring stories about the journey and what to see
>> and do. Testimonies about overcoming obstacles. How whipping up raw
>> ingredients yielded a yummy concoction.
>>
>
> Would you like to try developing this book on the wiki?
>
>
>>
>> Chapter titles for a “Big Book of Rivendell Cookbook” might include:
>>
>> — Oh no, not again!: Cheerleading the adoption of (yet) another
>> automation system
>> — Who’s on first?: Where files live, sync, and play
>> — Doing the SaMBa: Integration with NPR satellite receivers
>> — All roads lead to Rivendell: VNC access from inside and outside the
>> studios
>>
>
> I could work some on the above chapter. I have been doing it long enough.
> Perhaps too long, I may be doing it in an outdated manner.
>
>
>
>> — Break down this wall!: Mass file importation strategies
>> — Rosie the Robot: Clever uses of macro carts in the real world
>> — Flowing down the river: Understanding Rivendell’s system of carts,
>> events, clocks, grid, and logs
>> — We just have time for one more: Automating music hours to meet time
>> posts
>> — Glasnost, comrade: Network coexistence with Windows machines
>> — Doing what comes naturally: The easy way to integrate Natural Log and
>> Natural Music
>> — In five, four, three: Breaking format for local emergencies and
>> congressional debates
>> — Play it again, Sam: Playing MP2 files without using ASI cards
>> — The path less travelled: Linux isn’t as scary as it looks
>> — You’ll pry my dead, cold hand: Switching staff from Adobe Audition to a
>> Linux-based audio editor
>> — Front porch whittlin’:What to do with free time saved by not
>> babysitting cranky automation systems
>>
>>
> — Party at the Beach: Live remote via IP with openop or icecast and
> liquidsoap.
>
>
>> Purely by coincidence, those chapters mirror questions and objections
>> staff have raised in considering our adoption of Rivendell.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>
> all the best,
>
> drew
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Re: [RDD] glassgui, asi, output not input

[Fred Gleason]

On Feb 21, 2020, at 08:25, drew Roberts  wrote:

> On our "extra" setup, we don't have the outboard processor. What would be the 
> correct way to "capture" the main log's output 1 & 2 with glassgui and send 
> it on to the icecast server?

You’ll have to do it with an outboard mixer.

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

[Fred Gleason]

On Feb 19, 2020, at 23:35, drew Roberts  wrote:

> what cards should show in 3.x?

It depends on what version of ASI’s ‘hpklinux’ driver is being used. Not all 
ASI cards are supported in any given driver version. For CentOS 7 setups, we 
provide three, v4.13.0, v4.20.10 and 4.20.21 (with v4.20.21 being installed by 
default). Any ASI-5XXX or ASI-6XXX card (the ones with the orange colored 
mu-metal shields) should be able to work with one of those drivers, although 
sometimes some experimentation is required to find out which driver does the 
trick. You can find the RPMs at:

http://static.paravelsystems.com/audioscience/centos/7/

That said, ASI-4XXX cards (the ones with the blue mu-metal shields) are NOT 
supported in Rivendell at all. (Sorry. I know that there are lots of these for 
sale on eBay for cheap, but there’s a good reason for that: they are 
incompatible with modern PC hardware).


> I have a small spare rivendell system with an asi card (iirc) which was 2.x 
> but I just wiped that and installed 3.x
> 
> rdalsaconfig does not show the asi card.

Nor should it on a standard CentOS setup. While some distros do support running 
ASI cards through the standard ALSA layer, you *really* do not want to do that 
for Rivendell. ASI’s ‘hpklinux’ driver is required to unlock the advanced 
features (time scaling, hardware MPEG support) that is found on many ASI cards. 
For the list of cards recognized by the system, see 
RDAdmin->ManageHosts->AudioResources. If you card doesn’t show, try backing 
down the hpklinux driver to an earlier version.

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Bug with LC RML

[Fred Gleason]

On Feb 19, 2020, at 19:32, Aaron  wrote:

> I have a possible bug with RDAirPlay and the LC RML.
> 
> When using the LC RML it appears RDAirPlay appears to scale whatever text you 
> put in the box.
> 
> If you create a fairly long label with LC (green in my case) then change to a 
> short label (with larger font) then go back to the long label, RDAirPlay 
> crashes.  It does not appear to matter if you clear the display first.
> 
> The work around is ensuring text in my macros is not sufficiently long enough 
> to cause scaling.
> 
> Can this be fixed?

Should be fixed in Git ‘master’ [f54d414]. Please test.

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Possible Bug - Timed Wait Behaviour

[Fred Gleason]

On Feb 19, 2020, at 19:29, Aaron  wrote:

> I reference to a previous post 
> (http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/pipermail/rivendell-dev/2020-January/028460.html
>  
> )
>  I am still having issues with a Rivendell installation stopping playout.
> 
> I think I have isolated the random stoppages down to timed events where there 
> is a wait time but where the log is running late and there is an additional 
> event between the late-running event and the scheduled event.

Fixed in Git ‘master’ [5eec297].

And, I must say Aaron, this was one of the very best bug reports I’ve ever 
read. The problem was devilishly intricate and difficult to provoke, yet the 
report included clear, detailed instructions on how to ‘make it happen’, 
including log trace data. And, the theory about what might be going wrong ("I 
think what is happening here is a bug with the timer…’) turned out to be spot 
on the money. Bullseye!

I have only one additional request that would have made this a ‘perfect 10’ of 
bug report-ness: put it in a Github Issue. You can do that by going to:

https://github.com/ElvishArtisan/rivendell/issues

and then hitting the big green button that says ‘New Issue’.

The big advantage of making a GitHub Issue is that the report will then stay 
around until one of the dev team can swat it. Discussing it on the mailing list 
is perfectly fine too, but the hurly-burly of day-to-day life means that those 
reports will often roll off and get forgotten (at least by me). Putting it in 
GitHub ensures that that won’t happen.

I’m very proud of the community that has coalesced around Rivendell. It’s you 
gals and guys, providing feedback, help for each other (including newcomers to 
Rivendell) and generally keeping the show on the road that make Rivendell and 
its community the empowering place that it is. It is an honor for me to be part 
of this group.

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Big Book of Rivendell Cookbook?

[drew Roberts]

Frank,

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 5:48 PM Frank Christel  wrote:

> Drew, you asked “I am not aware of a book like you are looking for. Can
> you give a little more details as to what sort of things you would want it
> to cover?”
>
> It’s always my hope when embarking on new explorations (such as a journey
> to Rivendell) that someone has written a travel guide.


I think we may be somewhat similar in this. I tend to prefer HOW-TOs to man
pages. Even though I know I should invest the time and it will likely pay
off big in the long run, I have never quite managed to grok man pages. I
much prefer several variations or working examples from which I can mix and
match and extrapolate.

Do you have a favourite example of this genre of book on another subject?


> Something that doesn’t so much explain the nuts and bolts of how things
> work, but instead tells inspiring stories about the journey and what to see
> and do. Testimonies about overcoming obstacles. How whipping up raw
> ingredients yielded a yummy concoction.
>

Would you like to try developing this book on the wiki?


>
> Chapter titles for a “Big Book of Rivendell Cookbook” might include:
>
> — Oh no, not again!: Cheerleading the adoption of (yet) another automation
> system
> — Who’s on first?: Where files live, sync, and play
> — Doing the SaMBa: Integration with NPR satellite receivers
> — All roads lead to Rivendell: VNC access from inside and outside the
> studios
>

I could work some on the above chapter. I have been doing it long enough.
Perhaps too long, I may be doing it in an outdated manner.



> — Break down this wall!: Mass file importation strategies
> — Rosie the Robot: Clever uses of macro carts in the real world
> — Flowing down the river: Understanding Rivendell’s system of carts,
> events, clocks, grid, and logs
> — We just have time for one more: Automating music hours to meet time posts
> — Glasnost, comrade: Network coexistence with Windows machines
> — Doing what comes naturally: The easy way to integrate Natural Log and
> Natural Music
> — In five, four, three: Breaking format for local emergencies and
> congressional debates
> — Play it again, Sam: Playing MP2 files without using ASI cards
> — The path less travelled: Linux isn’t as scary as it looks
> — You’ll pry my dead, cold hand: Switching staff from Adobe Audition to a
> Linux-based audio editor
> — Front porch whittlin’:What to do with free time saved by not babysitting
> cranky automation systems
>
>
— Party at the Beach: Live remote via IP with openop or icecast and
liquidsoap.


> Purely by coincidence, those chapters mirror questions and objections
> staff have raised in considering our adoption of Rivendell.
>
> Frank
>

all the best,

drew
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Re: [RDD] Big Book of Rivendell Cookbook?

[Frank Christel]

Drew, you asked “I am not aware of a book like you are looking for. Can you 
give a little more details as to what sort of things you would want it to 
cover?”

It’s always my hope when embarking on new explorations (such as a journey to 
Rivendell) that someone has written a travel guide. Something that doesn’t so 
much explain the nuts and bolts of how things work, but instead tells inspiring 
stories about the journey and what to see and do. Testimonies about overcoming 
obstacles. How whipping up raw ingredients yielded a yummy concoction. 

Chapter titles for a “Big Book of Rivendell Cookbook” might include:

— Oh no, not again!: Cheerleading the adoption of (yet) another automation 
system
— Who’s on first?: Where files live, sync, and play
— Doing the SaMBa: Integration with NPR satellite receivers
— All roads lead to Rivendell: VNC access from inside and outside the studios
— Break down this wall!: Mass file importation strategies
— Rosie the Robot: Clever uses of macro carts in the real world
— Flowing down the river: Understanding Rivendell’s system of carts, events, 
clocks, grid, and logs
— We just have time for one more: Automating music hours to meet time posts
— Glasnost, comrade: Network coexistence with Windows machines
— Doing what comes naturally: The easy way to integrate Natural Log and Natural 
Music
— In five, four, three: Breaking format for local emergencies and congressional 
debates
— Play it again, Sam: Playing MP2 files without using ASI cards
— The path less travelled: Linux isn’t as scary as it looks
— You’ll pry my dead, cold hand: Switching staff from Adobe Audition to a 
Linux-based audio editor
— Front porch whittlin’:What to do with free time saved by not babysitting 
cranky automation systems

Purely by coincidence, those chapters mirror questions and objections staff 
have raised in considering our adoption of Rivendell.

Frank
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Re: [RDD] Big Book of Rivendell Cookbook?

[Frank Christel]

Folks,

Kudos to Mike, Tim, Drew, John, and Rob for pointing me toward Rivendell 
learning resources, offering advice, and describing their real-world setups. 

I’ve also received great encouragement over on the PubTech list, especially 
from Bill Putney at WBTZ and Darrell McCalla at WBHM who are rabid (in a good 
way) Rivendell adopters.

I can’t remember when I’ve encountered such a friendly and eager-to-share group 
like this. This is certainly a welcome resource for the RD noobs like me.

Thank you!

Frank
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Re: [RDD] Big Book of Rivendell Cookbook?

[Rob Landry]

On Mon, 24 Feb 2020, Frank Christel wrote:

We're walking through the manual and searching the rivendell-dev 
archives for answers. So far, we’ve not hit a brick wall in researching 
what Rivendell might do for our NPR stations.


What do you need Rivendell to do? I have it running on two 
satellite-driven commercial news/talk stations in New Hampshire, and on a 
CPB-funded, but locally programmed, music station in Boston, among others.


Rivendell Macro Language, and its ability to execute shell commands, makes 
Rivendell very versatile.


I assume you've looked at the Rivendell Operations Guide.


Rob

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