RE: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys.
I'm not sold on that idea, Joe. The Middle Eastern precious "black gold" that you guys were talking about is a commodity that many nations can't do without. The post that Joel made earlier is a scenario that could grow legs and lead us and Europe down an even uglier path. Besides that, the Muslim extremist "Holy War" against America isn't going to just go away any time soon. They're not going to change and we're not going to change. They hate us and we hate them for hating us. I see us fighting in the Middle East for a long long time. This is a perilous situation that will require some real wisdom from world leaders to get it under control and resolved. I'm sorry but this has the feel of a powder keg that's about to blow sky high if we're not very careful. Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Goodson Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:51 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys. If there is a WW 3, it will be with China sometime within the next 30 - 40 years or so. It won't be with the Arab world since they hate each other almost as much as they do us. China fancies themselves to be world rulers one day. Joe Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong. Ronald Reagan - Original Message - From: "Rick McMahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:18 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys. > I've had a chance to read all of today's responses on this topic. The > majority of the RTF folks are ready to end this thing quickly by nuking the > hell out of them all, but I'm of the opinion that that would only put the > entire planet on edge and the 3rd world war would be a certainty (it may be > headed in that direction anyway). This whole mess with Iraq was a big > mistake in my opinion. I support the troops as much as any other true blue > red blooded American, but man I wish we'd stayed focused on getting Bin > Laden and just continued to keep an eye on Saddam. To late now as the saying > goes. In my opinion, the media has made a mountain out of a mole hill > regarding the POW pix. War is hell, prisoners are abused, and those are > facts. What exactly do people expect anyway? I think we have to be patient > and try to end this thing as peacefully as possible and lets see if these > people can actually function as a democracy. (I have my doubts if that is > possible). > > > Rick > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jamie Watts > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:36 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; RollTideFan-The University of Alabama > Athletics Discussion List > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE > arethebadguys. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Lizard Fish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:51 AM > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE > arethebadguys. > > > > > > > > > If the US takes a 'no-prisoners' or 'kill them all' approach to the > > > > war, then this little scenario could in fact become a reality. > > > > > > No JoBu, if the USA adopted that policy we'd be in control > > > of the oil supplies within daysJamie > > > > > I thought that was the purpose of the war anyway? All we want is the > > oil > well it SHOULD be part of the purpose, get rid of the threats, and > control the oil flowGO USA > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys.
If there is a WW 3, it will be with China sometime within the next 30 - 40 years or so. It won't be with the Arab world since they hate each other almost as much as they do us. China fancies themselves to be world rulers one day. Joe Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong. Ronald Reagan - Original Message - From: "Rick McMahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:18 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys. > I've had a chance to read all of today's responses on this topic. The > majority of the RTF folks are ready to end this thing quickly by nuking the > hell out of them all, but I'm of the opinion that that would only put the > entire planet on edge and the 3rd world war would be a certainty (it may be > headed in that direction anyway). This whole mess with Iraq was a big > mistake in my opinion. I support the troops as much as any other true blue > red blooded American, but man I wish we'd stayed focused on getting Bin > Laden and just continued to keep an eye on Saddam. To late now as the saying > goes. In my opinion, the media has made a mountain out of a mole hill > regarding the POW pix. War is hell, prisoners are abused, and those are > facts. What exactly do people expect anyway? I think we have to be patient > and try to end this thing as peacefully as possible and lets see if these > people can actually function as a democracy. (I have my doubts if that is > possible). > > > Rick > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jamie Watts > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:36 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; RollTideFan-The University of Alabama > Athletics Discussion List > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE > arethebadguys. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Lizard Fish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:51 AM > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE > arethebadguys. > > > > > > > > > If the US takes a 'no-prisoners' or 'kill them all' approach to the > > > > war, then this little scenario could in fact become a reality. > > > > > > No JoBu, if the USA adopted that policy we'd be in control > > > of the oil supplies within daysJamie > > > > > I thought that was the purpose of the war anyway? All we want is the > > oil > well it SHOULD be part of the purpose, get rid of the threats, and > control the oil flowGO USA > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys.
I've had a chance to read all of today's responses on this topic. The majority of the RTF folks are ready to end this thing quickly by nuking the hell out of them all, but I'm of the opinion that that would only put the entire planet on edge and the 3rd world war would be a certainty (it may be headed in that direction anyway). This whole mess with Iraq was a big mistake in my opinion. I support the troops as much as any other true blue red blooded American, but man I wish we'd stayed focused on getting Bin Laden and just continued to keep an eye on Saddam. To late now as the saying goes. In my opinion, the media has made a mountain out of a mole hill regarding the POW pix. War is hell, prisoners are abused, and those are facts. What exactly do people expect anyway? I think we have to be patient and try to end this thing as peacefully as possible and lets see if these people can actually function as a democracy. (I have my doubts if that is possible). Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jamie Watts Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys. - Original Message - From: "Lizard Fish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:51 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys. > > > > > If the US takes a 'no-prisoners' or 'kill them all' approach to the > > > war, then this little scenario could in fact become a reality. > > > > No JoBu, if the USA adopted that policy we'd be in control > > of the oil supplies within daysJamie > > > I thought that was the purpose of the war anyway? All we want is the > oil well it SHOULD be part of the purpose, get rid of the threats, and control the oil flowGO USA __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys.
- Original Message - From: "Lizard Fish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:51 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys. > > > > > If the US takes a 'no-prisoners' or 'kill them all' approach to the > > > war, then this little scenario could in fact become a reality. > > > > No JoBu, if the USA adopted that policy we'd be in control > > of the oil supplies within daysJamie > > > I thought that was the purpose of the war anyway? All we want is the > oil well it SHOULD be part of the purpose, get rid of the threats, and control the oil flowGO USA __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE are thebadguys.
LOL And what Slef said too.. Joe Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong. Ronald Reagan - Original Message - From: "Jeff Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE are thebadguys. > What You Said, Dude! > > Slef E. > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:27 AM > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE are thebadguys. > > > > Sorry guys, but if I were President, I'd pull my troops out of the country. > > Then, I'd NUKE their camel-fornicating asses back to the Stone Age! And for > > giggles, I'd nuke Iran and Syria. Two less boils on the butt of the world to > > deal with! It is totally incredulous that so much is being made from this! If > > this weren't an election year, you'd never hear or see any of this crap! Was > > it wrong? Yes. Was it stupid to take pictures? Yes. Lack of discipline? > > Yes. However, these people are under tremendous pressure there, and who knows > > what happens when you're pushed to the brink. And, instead of pointing fingers, > > let the blame fall on the officers and work it's way down. > > Sorry for preaching, but this wimpy, apologetic, America is wrong crowd > > really PISS me OFF! Hey, if we're so bad, go run to the People's Paradise, also > > known as Cuber! > > > > TimUA87, ex-Army Medical Corps, Air Assault, and registered Republican! > > Hooah! > > > > __ > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE are thebadguys.
Yeah.what he said. Joe Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong. Ronald Reagan - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE are thebadguys. > Sorry guys, but if I were President, I'd pull my troops out of the country. > Then, I'd NUKE their camel-fornicating asses back to the Stone Age! And for > giggles, I'd nuke Iran and Syria. Two less boils on the butt of the world to > deal with! It is totally incredulous that so much is being made from this! If > this weren't an election year, you'd never hear or see any of this crap! Was > it wrong? Yes. Was it stupid to take pictures? Yes. Lack of discipline? > Yes. However, these people are under tremendous pressure there, and who knows > what happens when you're pushed to the brink. And, instead of pointing fingers, > let the blame fall on the officers and work it's way down. > Sorry for preaching, but this wimpy, apologetic, America is wrong crowd > really PISS me OFF! Hey, if we're so bad, go run to the People's Paradise, also > known as Cuber! > > TimUA87, ex-Army Medical Corps, Air Assault, and registered Republican! > Hooah! > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE are thebadguys.
You ain't holding yore mouth right. :) Slef E. - Original Message - From: "Joe Goodson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE are thebadguys. > It won't work > > Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. > They counted wrong. > Ronald Reagan > - Original Message - > From: "Jeff Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 5:12 PM > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE are the > badguys. > > > > Take me seriously for a moment, please. > > > > DO NOT CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW > > if the sight of a man being decapitated might > > disturb you. I'm giving you fair warning, this > > is probably the most gruesome thing I have > > ever seen. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/38ymb > > > > > > SERIOUSLY, > > > > JT > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Tim Boozer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:25 PM > > Subject: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE are the bad > guys. > > > > > > > NOTE: > > > > > > An al-Qaida affiliated group IN BAGHDAG carried this out in the name of > > > religion while chanting "God is great." > > > > > > These people are barbarians and if a leader of this so called "religion" > > > does not emerge NOW to lead these pathetic sheeple to peace, then Islam > will > > > indeed become the true enemy. Right now only the radicals of Islam are > the > > > enemy, but there does not appear to be a non-radical arm of Islam that > > > actually has a voice! > > > > > > Do me a favor and don't respond to me with anything remotely comparing > this > > > to the abuse of prisoners. Abuse of prisoners is wrong, but as a friend > of > > > mine said, "from the pictures I've seen, my initiation into my college > > > fraternity was worse." Again, the prisoner abuse is wrong and > inexcusable, > > > but keep it in perspective. This man was beheaded while people chanted > "God > > > is great." > > > > > > Barbarians! > > > > > > > > > > -- > -- > > > > > > > > > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=11&u=/ap/20040511/ap_o > > > n_re_mi_ea/egypt_iraq_american_beheaded > > > > > > or > > > > > > http://snipurl.com/6b7e > > > > > > > > > > -- > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Video Shows Beheading of American in Iraq > > > > > > 6 minutes ago Add Top Stories - AP to My Yahoo! > > > > > > > > > By NIKO PRICE, Associated Press Writer > > > > > > CAIRO, Egypt - A video posted Tuesday on an Islamic militant Web site > showed > > > the beheading of an American civilian in Iraq (news - web sites), and > said > > > the execution was carried out by an al-Qaida affiliated group to avenge > the > > > abuse of Iraqi prisoners by American soldiers. > > > > > > > > > The video bore the title "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an > > > American." It was unclear whether al-Zarqawi - an associated of Osama > bin > > > Laden (news - web sites) - was shown in the video, or was claiming > > > responsibility for ordering the execution. > > > > > > > > > Al-Zarqawi also is said to have ties to terrorist groups ranging from > Ansar > > > al Islam in Iraq to Egyptian Islamic Jihad. He's believed to be behind > many > > > attacks in Iraq, including numerous high-profile operations. > > > > > > > > > The video pictures of the execution showed five men wearing headscarves > and > > > black ski masks, standing over a bound man in an orange jumpsuit - > similar > > > to a prisoner's uniform - who identified himself as Nick Berg, a U.S. > > > civilian whose body was found on a highway overpass in Baghdad on > Saturday. > > > > > > > > > "My name is Nick Berg, my father's name is Michael, my mother's name is > > > Suzanne," the man said on the video. "I have a brother and sister, David > and > > > Sarah. I live in ... Philadelphia." > > > > > > > > > There was no way to be certain the tape was authentic. > > > > > > > > > After reading a statement, the men were seen pulling the man to his side > and > > > putting a large knife to his neck. A scream sounded as the men cut his > head > > > off, shouting "Allahu Akbar!" - "God is great." They then held the head > out > > > before the camera. > > > > > > > > > Berg's family said Tuesday they knew their son had been decapitated, but > > > didn't know the details of the killing. When told of the video by an > > > Associated Press reporter, Berg's father, Michael, and his two siblings > > > hugged and cried. > > > > > > > > > "I knew he was dec
Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE are the badguys.
It won't work Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong. Ronald Reagan - Original Message - From: "Jeff Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE are the badguys. > Take me seriously for a moment, please. > > DO NOT CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW > if the sight of a man being decapitated might > disturb you. I'm giving you fair warning, this > is probably the most gruesome thing I have > ever seen. > > http://tinyurl.com/38ymb > > > SERIOUSLY, > > JT > > - Original Message - > From: "Tim Boozer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:25 PM > Subject: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE are the bad guys. > > > > NOTE: > > > > An al-Qaida affiliated group IN BAGHDAG carried this out in the name of > > religion while chanting "God is great." > > > > These people are barbarians and if a leader of this so called "religion" > > does not emerge NOW to lead these pathetic sheeple to peace, then Islam will > > indeed become the true enemy. Right now only the radicals of Islam are the > > enemy, but there does not appear to be a non-radical arm of Islam that > > actually has a voice! > > > > Do me a favor and don't respond to me with anything remotely comparing this > > to the abuse of prisoners. Abuse of prisoners is wrong, but as a friend of > > mine said, "from the pictures I've seen, my initiation into my college > > fraternity was worse." Again, the prisoner abuse is wrong and inexcusable, > > but keep it in perspective. This man was beheaded while people chanted "God > > is great." > > > > Barbarians! > > > > > > -- -- > > > > > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=11&u=/ap/20040511/ap_o > > n_re_mi_ea/egypt_iraq_american_beheaded > > > > or > > > > http://snipurl.com/6b7e > > > > > > -- -- > > > > > > > > Video Shows Beheading of American in Iraq > > > > 6 minutes ago Add Top Stories - AP to My Yahoo! > > > > > > By NIKO PRICE, Associated Press Writer > > > > CAIRO, Egypt - A video posted Tuesday on an Islamic militant Web site showed > > the beheading of an American civilian in Iraq (news - web sites), and said > > the execution was carried out by an al-Qaida affiliated group to avenge the > > abuse of Iraqi prisoners by American soldiers. > > > > > > The video bore the title "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an > > American." It was unclear whether al-Zarqawi - an associated of Osama bin > > Laden (news - web sites) - was shown in the video, or was claiming > > responsibility for ordering the execution. > > > > > > Al-Zarqawi also is said to have ties to terrorist groups ranging from Ansar > > al Islam in Iraq to Egyptian Islamic Jihad. He's believed to be behind many > > attacks in Iraq, including numerous high-profile operations. > > > > > > The video pictures of the execution showed five men wearing headscarves and > > black ski masks, standing over a bound man in an orange jumpsuit - similar > > to a prisoner's uniform - who identified himself as Nick Berg, a U.S. > > civilian whose body was found on a highway overpass in Baghdad on Saturday. > > > > > > "My name is Nick Berg, my father's name is Michael, my mother's name is > > Suzanne," the man said on the video. "I have a brother and sister, David and > > Sarah. I live in ... Philadelphia." > > > > > > There was no way to be certain the tape was authentic. > > > > > > After reading a statement, the men were seen pulling the man to his side and > > putting a large knife to his neck. A scream sounded as the men cut his head > > off, shouting "Allahu Akbar!" - "God is great." They then held the head out > > before the camera. > > > > > > Berg's family said Tuesday they knew their son had been decapitated, but > > didn't know the details of the killing. When told of the video by an > > Associated Press reporter, Berg's father, Michael, and his two siblings > > hugged and cried. > > > > > > "I knew he was decapitated before. That manner is preferable to a long and > > torturous death. But I didn't want it to become public," Michael Berg said. > > > > > > "Our thoughts and prayers are with his family," said White House Press > > Secretary Scott McClellan, traveling with President Bush (news - web sites) > > in Arkansas. "It shows the true nature of the enemies of freedom. They have > > no regard for the lives of innocent men, women and children. We will pursue > > those who are responsible and bring them to justice." > > > > > > Because Berg was a U.S. citizen, the FBI (news - web sites) has jurisdiction > > to investigate the
[RollTideFan] Tide-Tigers not what it used to be
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/sports/columns/040512.shtml Tide-Tigers not what it used to be At some point before the college football season starts, a media outlet will do another one of those polls ranking the greatest rivalries in the sport. When that happens, all the Alabama and Auburn fans will team up to become odd brethren, voting to boost the score for the Iron Bowl. It won't matter. Alabama-Auburn still won't win, because it's not the rivalry it once was. In-state, neighbor-to-neighbor, the Iron Bowl still holds enormous weight. But that doesn't make it much different from other games throughout the country. Sure, it's more intense here, we say. But is it anymore? It used to be Tigers and Crimson Tide fans didn't need to vote their game No. 1. It simply was, and football fans knew it. A variety of factors during the past few years have downgraded the Iron Bowl from the ranks of Duke-North Carolina basketball to just your typical, intense, in-state football game. It's a shame, really, but there are solid reasons: # Tennessee: If you were to poll Alabama fans on which school they'd rather beat this season, Auburn or Tennessee, the majority would say the Vols. It's true. Not in the past, of course. But, this year, after the Tommy Gallion lawsuit and accusations that Vols coach Phillip Fulmer played a large role in the Tide's latest NCAA sanctions, you can't think Alabama fans wouldn't rather put a licking on him in Knoxville. A few years ago, this would have been unthinkable. Then again, so would all the craziness surrounding this highly public fiasco that keeps picking up steam. # Records: The Iron Bowl simply doesn't mean as much nationally because of the stakes. Erratic Alabama is 45-40 since Gene Stallings retired after the 1996 season. That includes a three-win season and two four-win years. While the Tide has been up and down, the Tigers have been consistently lukewarm, never reaching double-digit wins in a season under Tommy Tuberville. This means the Iron Bowl now boasts little national importance for either team, much less both of them, as was the case as recently as the mid-1990s. # Changing SEC: Now that Florida and Tennessee have faded, Georgia and LSU have emerged as the league's dominant teams. A look at recruiting classes and depth charts indicates that probably won't change anytime soon. The result is that the LSU game becomes the most significant, if not most intense, contest for Auburn and Alabama. Then, the Tigers get the Bulldogs in late November. While it's not the rivalry of Alabama, it's close and getting closer. There's little secret Tuberville and Mark Richt aren't pals. Neither are fans of the two schools. Auburn's coaching staff was nearly history after losing at Georgia last season. # Coaching changes: Right now, Alabama fans have more reasons than Auburn fans to dislike Mike Shula. Given the new Alabama coach's timid comments and flair for political correctness, Tigers fans probably won't have one. Tuberville isn't liked by Bama Nation, but he's respected enough to not be genuinely hated the way, say, Terry Bowden was or Fulmer is now. Dennis Franchione? Now there was a coach you could hate. "That other school" — he went out of his way to heat this baby up. # Home and home: There's no question the move from Legion Field to each school's campus hurt the rivalry. The neutral site was a defining characteristic of this series, though many at Auburn felt it wasn't quite so neutral. The Tigers may have had a point, but it's just not the same feel with partisan crowds. # Crisis: If it's true misery loves company, then Alabama and Auburn are joined at the hip these days. Scandal after scandal in the past 12 years have left the state's football image tarnished, and so Tide and Tigers fans have joined under the same flag to defend the reputation of the state, and therefore, the other school. Just when one side appears to have wiped itself out, the other's president and athletics director jump on a plane for Louisville, Ky. Therefore, the cycle repeats itself. Nobody wins, and the Iron Bowl is a victim. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Bachus asks for investigation of the NCAA
I heard about this yesterday-intersting; there were some pretty pissed off people about the fact that Congress would *waste* its time on NCAA - Original Message - From: "Steven Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Here is a copy of the letter, > > http://bachus.house.gov/HoR/AL06/Press+Room/Press+Releases/2004/NCAA.htm > > RTR > LC __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Stacy Key
Or this: A memorial scholarship fund has been set up in honor former UA Crimsonette Stacy Scott Key, who was tragically killed in an auto accident on Monday morning. Stacy, who was a member of the Crimsonette's during her time as a student at the university, was the wife of former Alabama football player Chad Key. Crimsonette instructor Marion Powell has established The Stacy Scott Key Memorial Scholarship Fund. Donors can send contributions for the fund to: The University of Alabama Box 870101 Tuscaloosa AL 35487 - Original Message - From: "Betsy Duke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Stacy Key > additional information re. funeral and address so you can send cards to > Chad if interested > > Chad Key > 311 Thorncrest Road > Hamilton, AL 35570 > > Funeral Arrangements: > > Visitation Wednesday night 6:00 until 9:00 > First Baptist Church, Hamilton > > ServiceThursday morning 11:00 > First Baptist Church, Hamilton > >Stacy was a Crimsonette from 1988-1991 __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Stacy Key
additional information re. funeral and address so you can send cards to Chad if interested Chad Key 311 Thorncrest Road Hamilton, AL 35570 Funeral Arrangements: Visitation Wednesday night 6:00 until 9:00 First Baptist Church, Hamilton ServiceThursday morning 11:00 First Baptist Church, Hamilton Stacy was a Crimsonette from 1988-1991 __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Bachus asks for investigation of the NCAA
Here is a copy of the letter, http://bachus.house.gov/HoR/AL06/Press+Room/Press+Releases/2004/NCAA.htm RTR LC __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys.
> > > If the US takes a 'no-prisoners' or 'kill them all' approach to the > > war, then this little scenario could in fact become a reality. > > No JoBu, if the USA adopted that policy we'd be in control > of the oil supplies within daysJamie > I thought that was the purpose of the war anyway? All we want is the oil. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys.
You beat me to it. -Original Message- Jamie Wrote: > If the US takes a 'no-prisoners' or 'kill them all' approach to the war, > then this little scenario could in fact become a reality. No JoBu, if the USA adopted that policy we'd be in control of the oil supplies within daysJamie __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys.
Uh, doesn't Saudi or someone else over there have a few nukes laying around somewhere? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jamie Watts Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:23 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys. > If the US takes a 'no-prisoners' or 'kill them all' approach to the war, > then this little scenario could in fact become a reality. No JoBu, if the USA adopted that policy we'd be in control of the oil supplies within daysJamie __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE are thebadguys.
> And for giggles, I'd nuke Iran and Syria. Two less boils on the butt of the world to > deal with! Just add Saudi Arabia to that list Tim, and I'll vote for you in NovemberJamie __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys.
> If the US takes a 'no-prisoners' or 'kill them all' approach to the war, > then this little scenario could in fact become a reality. No JoBu, if the USA adopted that policy we'd be in control of the oil supplies within daysJamie __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys.
Easy, Devo...you're about to start cussin'. I just know. Slef E. - Original Message - From: "Devan Orange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys. > There is nothing peaceful about their religion...all they understand is > coffins. We should give them full ones IMO. I do not have any respect for > any "religion" that calls itself peaceful and then sends planes into > buildings with innocent people just trying to earn a living!! > Personally, I am sick to the hilt with all this talk about us being unfair > and the war not being a smart idea!!! Who started this!?!? I think they did > when the planes were striking the two towers with sons & daughters hearing > that Mom or Dad would never be back! Pardon me, but I feel no tears welling > up in my eyes over their solders being exterminated! > If it were left up to me I would be pushing the big red button right about > now!!! > > DevO > > > -Original Message- > Tim Boozer wrote: > > You fear all that huh? > > Well, if I were a "peace loving" Muslim in Iraq I would fear any American > solier right now, and that's the way it ought to be. These people NEED to > fear us. The good ones need to fear us so much that they rat out the bad > ones. The sooner the better. If, this "religion" really is so damn > peasceful, then the peace loving Muslims need to be fearing the Americans > and turning in their not so peace loving comrades pronto! > > > > > > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys.
Lest we not forget that the dots between the 9-11 attackers and Saddam have not been connected. I seem to remember that most of the high-jackers were actually from Saudi Arabia. The US chose to attack Iraq due to the threat of WMD, not in retaliation to the 9-11 attacks. The US has to walk a very thin line over there. Consider this: If for some reason, all or most of the Muslim countries (read: Oil exporting countries) got together and decided that the US was completely wrong for attacking Iraq and then banded together and vowed to highly restrict or completely shut off the oil supply to the US (even for a short time), then where would the pain be felt? If we think $2.09 a gallon is bearable, it would only take a slight disruption in the oil supply for that price to climb to $5 or higher. If the US takes a 'no-prisoners' or 'kill them all' approach to the war, then this little scenario could in fact become a reality. I have my fire suit on, go ahead.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Devan Orange Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:01 AM To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' Subject:RE: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys. There is nothing peaceful about their religion...all they understand is coffins. We should give them full ones IMO. I do not have any respect for any "religion" that calls itself peaceful and then sends planes into buildings with innocent people just trying to earn a living!! Personally, I am sick to the hilt with all this talk about us being unfair and the war not being a smart idea!!! Who started this!?!? I think they did when the planes were striking the two towers with sons & daughters hearing that Mom or Dad would never be back! Pardon me, but I feel no tears welling up in my eyes over their solders being exterminated! If it were left up to me I would be pushing the big red button right about now!!! DevO -Original Message- Tim Boozer wrote: You fear all that huh? Well, if I were a "peace loving" Muslim in Iraq I would fear any American solier right now, and that's the way it ought to be. These people NEED to fear us. The good ones need to fear us so much that they rat out the bad ones. The sooner the better. If, this "religion" really is so damn peasceful, then the peace loving Muslims need to be fearing the Americans and turning in their not so peace loving comrades pronto! __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WEare thebadguys.
Ditto! -Original Message- Slef wrote: What You Said, Dude! Slef E. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sorry guys, but if I were President, I'd pull my troops out of the country. > Then, I'd NUKE their camel-fornicating asses back to the Stone Age! And for > giggles, I'd nuke Iran and Syria. Two less boils on the butt of the world to > deal with! It is totally incredulous that so much is being made from this! If > this weren't an election year, you'd never hear or see any of this crap! Was > it wrong? Yes. Was it stupid to take pictures? Yes. Lack of discipline? > Yes. However, these people are under tremendous pressure there, and who knows > what happens when you're pushed to the brink. And, instead of pointing fingers, > let the blame fall on the officers and work it's way down. > Sorry for preaching, but this wimpy, apologetic, America is wrong crowd > really PISS me OFF! Hey, if we're so bad, go run to the People's Paradise, also > known as Cuber! > > TimUA87, ex-Army Medical Corps, Air Assault, and registered Republican! > Hooah! > __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys.
There is nothing peaceful about their religion...all they understand is coffins. We should give them full ones IMO. I do not have any respect for any "religion" that calls itself peaceful and then sends planes into buildings with innocent people just trying to earn a living!! Personally, I am sick to the hilt with all this talk about us being unfair and the war not being a smart idea!!! Who started this!?!? I think they did when the planes were striking the two towers with sons & daughters hearing that Mom or Dad would never be back! Pardon me, but I feel no tears welling up in my eyes over their solders being exterminated! If it were left up to me I would be pushing the big red button right about now!!! DevO -Original Message- Tim Boozer wrote: You fear all that huh? Well, if I were a "peace loving" Muslim in Iraq I would fear any American solier right now, and that's the way it ought to be. These people NEED to fear us. The good ones need to fear us so much that they rat out the bad ones. The sooner the better. If, this "religion" really is so damn peasceful, then the peace loving Muslims need to be fearing the Americans and turning in their not so peace loving comrades pronto! __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys.
> > But I did write Senator Imhofe an email telling him how > much I appreciated him. > Senator Imhofe was right on. > > Sorry guys, but if I were President, I'd pull my troops > out of the country. Then, I'd NUKE their camel- > fornicating asses back to the stone Age! And for > giggles, I'd nuke Iran and Syria. Two less boils on the > butt of the world to deal with! > I'd also nuke the offices of CBS News for deciding to broadcast those pictures, and anyone else who felt those pictures needed to be made public, which directly lead to the actions against Nick Berg. The Army was right to withhold the release of these pictures because it would put people in danger, and it has. Shame on the media. I hope they got the ratings they wanted so they can charge their advertising rates. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE are thebadguys.
What You Said, Dude! Slef E. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE are thebadguys. > Sorry guys, but if I were President, I'd pull my troops out of the country. > Then, I'd NUKE their camel-fornicating asses back to the Stone Age! And for > giggles, I'd nuke Iran and Syria. Two less boils on the butt of the world to > deal with! It is totally incredulous that so much is being made from this! If > this weren't an election year, you'd never hear or see any of this crap! Was > it wrong? Yes. Was it stupid to take pictures? Yes. Lack of discipline? > Yes. However, these people are under tremendous pressure there, and who knows > what happens when you're pushed to the brink. And, instead of pointing fingers, > let the blame fall on the officers and work it's way down. > Sorry for preaching, but this wimpy, apologetic, America is wrong crowd > really PISS me OFF! Hey, if we're so bad, go run to the People's Paradise, also > known as Cuber! > > TimUA87, ex-Army Medical Corps, Air Assault, and registered Republican! > Hooah! > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
