Re: [sage-devel] Re: One-click installer for Vbox+Sage
No I mean unix passwords are not known. Servers are not running by default. No open door that I know, no obvious way to get hacked easily. Not even me remember built in passwords. VM starts to desktop, so you can change unix passwords and start sage notebook/server with physical access, which was the planned use case. Sage notebook admin password is asked for at first start, nothing built in. But this is an old version and design choices may vary. Whenever building a new VM it may be NAT and headless, as easy as possible, windows friendly. Nothing to be scared. kind regards On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 3:03:39 PM UTC, Volker Braun wrote: > > You mean the notebook password? I'm more worried about the unix user/root > password in the VM. They can of course be changed with physical access but > not in a particularly user-friendly way ;-) > > > > On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 3:48:04 PM UTC+1, Emil Widmann wrote: >> >> I used bridged network, because I preconfigured a small sage server. >> Passwords are not known, but can be reset in the VM. >> >> Am Dienstag, 2. September 2014 13:42:20 UTC schrieb Volker Braun: >>> >>> That depends on whether the virtualbox networking is set to NAT or >>> bridged mode. >>> >>> I'm strongly in favor of NAT as default when providing a VM with known >>> password(s). Of course we could have a UI that locally asks for passwords >>> and then changes them in the VM before making it available on the network, >>> but thats probably for later. >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 2:19:33 PM UTC+1, mmarco wrote: Does that show the IP from the point of view of the guest, or from the host? If the ports are correctly forwarded, localhost or 127.0.0.1 should work. El martes, 2 de septiembre de 2014 11:41:16 UTC+2, Emil Widmann escribió: > > Thanks for that line, looks promising! - you sure know your Vbox > commandline options. I am going to give that a try. > > cheers > > emil > > Am Dienstag, 2. September 2014 08:33:08 UTC+2 schrieb Jori Mantysalo: >> >> On Mon, 1 Sep 2014, Emil Widmann wrote: >> >> > Sure, more work is needed. >> >> > I just included the vanilla vbox installer and thought some >> verbosity might >> > be good for a prototype (back in 2011). >> > I have a different setup of the network, so localhost:8080 may not >> work. >> >> If virtual machine has additions installed, then >> >> VBoxManage guestproperty get "VM name" >> "/VirtualBox/GuestInfo/Net/0/V4/IP" >> >> will show IP, like >> >> Value: 10.0.2.15 >> >> In Linux we could do something like "firefox $(VBoxManage... | cut -f >> 2 -d >> ' '):8080", but is it possible with only .bat files on Windows? If >> not, >> then we need few lines of C (or something) to get this done. >> >> -- >> Jori Mäntysalo >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Re: One-click installer for Vbox+Sage
You mean the notebook password? I'm more worried about the unix user/root password in the VM. They can of course be changed with physical access but not in a particularly user-friendly way ;-) On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 3:48:04 PM UTC+1, Emil Widmann wrote: > > I used bridged network, because I preconfigured a small sage server. > Passwords are not known, but can be reset in the VM. > > Am Dienstag, 2. September 2014 13:42:20 UTC schrieb Volker Braun: >> >> That depends on whether the virtualbox networking is set to NAT or >> bridged mode. >> >> I'm strongly in favor of NAT as default when providing a VM with known >> password(s). Of course we could have a UI that locally asks for passwords >> and then changes them in the VM before making it available on the network, >> but thats probably for later. >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 2:19:33 PM UTC+1, mmarco wrote: >>> >>> Does that show the IP from the point of view of the guest, or from the >>> host? >>> >>> If the ports are correctly forwarded, localhost or 127.0.0.1 should work. >>> >>> El martes, 2 de septiembre de 2014 11:41:16 UTC+2, Emil Widmann escribió: Thanks for that line, looks promising! - you sure know your Vbox commandline options. I am going to give that a try. cheers emil Am Dienstag, 2. September 2014 08:33:08 UTC+2 schrieb Jori Mantysalo: > > On Mon, 1 Sep 2014, Emil Widmann wrote: > > > Sure, more work is needed. > > > I just included the vanilla vbox installer and thought some > verbosity might > > be good for a prototype (back in 2011). > > I have a different setup of the network, so localhost:8080 may not > work. > > If virtual machine has additions installed, then > > VBoxManage guestproperty get "VM name" > "/VirtualBox/GuestInfo/Net/0/V4/IP" > > will show IP, like > > Value: 10.0.2.15 > > In Linux we could do something like "firefox $(VBoxManage... | cut -f > 2 -d > ' '):8080", but is it possible with only .bat files on Windows? If > not, > then we need few lines of C (or something) to get this done. > > -- > Jori Mäntysalo > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Re: One-click installer for Vbox+Sage
I used bridged network, because I preconfigured a small sage server. Passwords are not known, but can be reset in the VM. Am Dienstag, 2. September 2014 13:42:20 UTC schrieb Volker Braun: > > That depends on whether the virtualbox networking is set to NAT or bridged > mode. > > I'm strongly in favor of NAT as default when providing a VM with known > password(s). Of course we could have a UI that locally asks for passwords > and then changes them in the VM before making it available on the network, > but thats probably for later. > > > On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 2:19:33 PM UTC+1, mmarco wrote: >> >> Does that show the IP from the point of view of the guest, or from the >> host? >> >> If the ports are correctly forwarded, localhost or 127.0.0.1 should work. >> >> El martes, 2 de septiembre de 2014 11:41:16 UTC+2, Emil Widmann escribió: >>> >>> Thanks for that line, looks promising! - you sure know your Vbox >>> commandline options. I am going to give that a try. >>> >>> cheers >>> >>> emil >>> >>> Am Dienstag, 2. September 2014 08:33:08 UTC+2 schrieb Jori Mantysalo: On Mon, 1 Sep 2014, Emil Widmann wrote: > Sure, more work is needed. > I just included the vanilla vbox installer and thought some verbosity might > be good for a prototype (back in 2011). > I have a different setup of the network, so localhost:8080 may not work. If virtual machine has additions installed, then VBoxManage guestproperty get "VM name" "/VirtualBox/GuestInfo/Net/0/V4/IP" will show IP, like Value: 10.0.2.15 In Linux we could do something like "firefox $(VBoxManage... | cut -f 2 -d ' '):8080", but is it possible with only .bat files on Windows? If not, then we need few lines of C (or something) to get this done. -- Jori Mäntysalo >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Re: One-click installer for Vbox+Sage
That depends on whether the virtualbox networking is set to NAT or bridged mode. I'm strongly in favor of NAT as default when providing a VM with known password(s). Of course we could have a UI that locally asks for passwords and then changes them in the VM before making it available on the network, but thats probably for later. On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 2:19:33 PM UTC+1, mmarco wrote: > > Does that show the IP from the point of view of the guest, or from the > host? > > If the ports are correctly forwarded, localhost or 127.0.0.1 should work. > > El martes, 2 de septiembre de 2014 11:41:16 UTC+2, Emil Widmann escribió: >> >> Thanks for that line, looks promising! - you sure know your Vbox >> commandline options. I am going to give that a try. >> >> cheers >> >> emil >> >> Am Dienstag, 2. September 2014 08:33:08 UTC+2 schrieb Jori Mantysalo: >>> >>> On Mon, 1 Sep 2014, Emil Widmann wrote: >>> >>> > Sure, more work is needed. >>> >>> > I just included the vanilla vbox installer and thought some verbosity >>> might >>> > be good for a prototype (back in 2011). >>> > I have a different setup of the network, so localhost:8080 may not >>> work. >>> >>> If virtual machine has additions installed, then >>> >>> VBoxManage guestproperty get "VM name" >>> "/VirtualBox/GuestInfo/Net/0/V4/IP" >>> >>> will show IP, like >>> >>> Value: 10.0.2.15 >>> >>> In Linux we could do something like "firefox $(VBoxManage... | cut -f 2 >>> -d >>> ' '):8080", but is it possible with only .bat files on Windows? If not, >>> then we need few lines of C (or something) to get this done. >>> >>> -- >>> Jori Mäntysalo >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Re: One-click installer for Vbox+Sage
Does that show the IP from the point of view of the guest, or from the host? If the ports are correctly forwarded, localhost or 127.0.0.1 should work. El martes, 2 de septiembre de 2014 11:41:16 UTC+2, Emil Widmann escribió: > > Thanks for that line, looks promising! - you sure know your Vbox > commandline options. I am going to give that a try. > > cheers > > emil > > Am Dienstag, 2. September 2014 08:33:08 UTC+2 schrieb Jori Mantysalo: >> >> On Mon, 1 Sep 2014, Emil Widmann wrote: >> >> > Sure, more work is needed. >> >> > I just included the vanilla vbox installer and thought some verbosity >> might >> > be good for a prototype (back in 2011). >> > I have a different setup of the network, so localhost:8080 may not >> work. >> >> If virtual machine has additions installed, then >> >> VBoxManage guestproperty get "VM name" >> "/VirtualBox/GuestInfo/Net/0/V4/IP" >> >> will show IP, like >> >> Value: 10.0.2.15 >> >> In Linux we could do something like "firefox $(VBoxManage... | cut -f 2 >> -d >> ' '):8080", but is it possible with only .bat files on Windows? If not, >> then we need few lines of C (or something) to get this done. >> >> -- >> Jori Mäntysalo >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Re: One-click installer for Vbox+Sage
Thanks for that line, looks promising! - you sure know your Vbox commandline options. I am going to give that a try. cheers emil Am Dienstag, 2. September 2014 08:33:08 UTC+2 schrieb Jori Mantysalo: > > On Mon, 1 Sep 2014, Emil Widmann wrote: > > > Sure, more work is needed. > > > I just included the vanilla vbox installer and thought some verbosity > might > > be good for a prototype (back in 2011). > > I have a different setup of the network, so localhost:8080 may not work. > > If virtual machine has additions installed, then > > VBoxManage guestproperty get "VM name" "/VirtualBox/GuestInfo/Net/0/V4/IP" > > will show IP, like > > Value: 10.0.2.15 > > In Linux we could do something like "firefox $(VBoxManage... | cut -f 2 -d > ' '):8080", but is it possible with only .bat files on Windows? If not, > then we need few lines of C (or something) to get this done. > > -- > Jori Mäntysalo > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Re: One-click installer for Vbox+Sage
On Mon, 1 Sep 2014, Emil Widmann wrote: Sure, more work is needed. I just included the vanilla vbox installer and thought some verbosity might be good for a prototype (back in 2011). I have a different setup of the network, so localhost:8080 may not work. If virtual machine has additions installed, then VBoxManage guestproperty get "VM name" "/VirtualBox/GuestInfo/Net/0/V4/IP" will show IP, like Value: 10.0.2.15 In Linux we could do something like "firefox $(VBoxManage... | cut -f 2 -d ' '):8080", but is it possible with only .bat files on Windows? If not, then we need few lines of C (or something) to get this done. -- Jori Mäntysalo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[sage-devel] Re: One-click installer for Vbox+Sage
Sure, more work is needed. Thanks for interest, testing and feedback, especially to your wife! I just included the vanilla vbox installer and thought some verbosity might be good for a prototype (back in 2011). I have a different setup of the network, so localhost:8080 may not work. If you start the VM with graphic then there is a colour popup, which shows the IP adress. There is also a small sage server included which should serve to several different users on a small network. kind regards emil Am Montag, 1. September 2014 11:52:41 UTC schrieb Jori Mantysalo: > > On Sun, 31 Aug 2014, Emil Widmann wrote: > > >> Yes, I wrote an installer which included the VirtualBox installer and > >> the Sage Appliance inside one exe. > > I haven't tested it myself, but got comments: Too many Next-clicks, and > then Sage did not open; I tell to open Vbox and click green arrow. It says > "capturing keyboard", which afraids user. > > So, more work is still needed. At least on Linux I can start vmachine with > > VBoxManage startvm "vmachine name" --type headless > > and I think that Windows can open browser with > > start http://localhost:8080 > > or something like that. > > -- > Jori Mäntysalo > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
