[scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?

[B Smith]

Kill Bill was the exception and it was very intentional. It was his fanboy 
movie and he threw everything he loved up there on the screen.

 
His other films are more nods than homages to the stuff he loves. He has his 
own eccentricities like the obsession with women's feet, pop culture references 
and his infamous trunk shot that appears in every movie but it's his style. 
Jackie Brown still remains his most accomplished and grown up movie imho and he 
manages to evoke the feelings of his influences without the direct homages.

Inglorious Basterds was very well done and a step forward for him. The ad 
campaign doesn't really do it justice. People went in expecting the movie to be 
about Brad Pitt and crew scalpin' Nazis but got much more.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> It's really good, but let me ask you: does Tarantino ever go too far in his 
> homages/copying of other genres for your taste? For example, I loved Kill 
> Bill, but by the time the Bride and Lu's character were fighting in the 
> garden, complete with the water thing going, I felt as if I were being hit 
> over the head with homages. I guess it's one thing to have touches from other 
> films in your movie, but Tarantino literally stuffs his films with those, and 
> it's not very subtle. 
> Not complaining, mind you. I've only seen two of his films, so don't know if 
> his originality outshines his homages, or if he simply repackages the homages 
> in a skillful enough way so that one doesn't mind. After all, there are very 
> few original ideas in Hollywood, so recycling old themes isn't by itself a 
> crime. 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "B Smith"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:35:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but 
> who's left to kill? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> That was Sofie Fatale. Julie Dreyfus also has a small but meaty role in 
> Inglorious Basterds. 
> 
> *putting away my Japanese special edition boxed set of Kill Bill Vol. 1* 
> 
> I guess you can say I'm fan. The cinematic references, cameos and injokes 
> from the movie are heaven for fans of Asian, Italian and 70s grindhouse 
> cinema. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > Wow, you must be a fan! Who was the lady who was Lucy Lu's sidekick? The 
> > one who was half Asian and described as "Dressed like a villain from Star 
> > Trek"? I wish she'd been given more to do (i must admit because i couldn't 
> > stop staring at her) 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "B Smith"  
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:47:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' 
> > but who's left to kill? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It could definitely work and they could bring back Elle Driver, Sofie 
> > Fatale and Johnny Mo as her bitter, crippled masters. 
> > 
> > If they really wanted to rock our worlds they could actually have Vernita's 
> > daughter succeed and have the Bride's daughter taking up the sword and 
> > going after her. 
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > > 
> > > that could work... 
> > > 
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "Justin Mohareb"  
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 11:43:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' 
> > > but who's left to kill? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Actually, I believe he mentioned using the actor who played her 
> > > daughter in the first film, since she'll have actually grown into the 
> > > role in the intervening decade and a half. 
> > > 
> > > I believe he mentioned filming scenes on an ongoing basis. 
> > > 
> > > Justin 
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Keith Johnson 
> > > < KeithBJohnson@ > wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Damn! Now the guys have *me* doing it, but when I thought of 
> > > > Copperhead's daughter going after The Bride, my first thought was 
> > > > &

[scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?

[B Smith]

Jackie Brown is Tarantino doing Elmore Leonard. He captures the plot and 
feeling of the novel but changed the setting of the book from Florida to 
California and changed Jackie Burke to Jackie Brown and made her black. There 
are a few other minor changes but the movie plays just like the novel and is 
better for it. 

I definitely agreed with Spike Lee's concerns and although QT had his blood up 
I think the criticism stung him. His subsequent movies have definitely toned it 
down.


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> great, it's on the list! 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2"  
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 7:51:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' 
> but who's left to kill? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Keith, you're doing yourself a service by taking these in. When I first saw 
> "Jackie Brown", I came into the room just after the credits had run. Watching 
> it all the way through (and being thoroughly delighted by it), I was 
> dumbfounded to see Tarantino's anme as the director. Felt nothing like his 
> usual oeuvre, which made the experience all the better, to say nothing of it 
> making him one of my favorite directors. 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: keithbjohn...@... 
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 01:52:44 + 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' 
> but who's left to kill? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> thanks for that. I guess I need to look up "Reservoir Dogs", finally see all 
> of "Pulp Fiction", and take in "Jackie Brown". that last starts more 
> arguments than the question I raised does. I hear people say it was his best 
> movie ever, but others say no, because it's the least Tarantino-like film, 
> and therefore can't be his best film ever. 
> 
> I think I know this answer, but how do you feel about his usage of the n-word 
> so much in his movies? Remember when Spike Lee all but wanted to have him 
> taken out for that? Spike even counted the number of times the word was used 
> in individual movies--I think "Jackie Brown" was the one that set him 
> off--and said it was too much. 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "B Smith"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2009 10:14:37 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but 
> who's left to kill? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kill Bill was the exception and it was very intentional. It was his fanboy 
> movie and he threw everything he loved up there on the screen. 
> 
> His other films are more nods than homages to the stuff he loves. He has his 
> own eccentricities like the obsession with women's feet, pop culture 
> references and his infamous trunk shot that appears in every movie but it's 
> his style. Jackie Brown still remains his most accomplished and grown up 
> movie imho and he manages to evoke the feelings of his influences without the 
> direct homages. 
> 
> Inglorious Basterds was very well done and a step forward for him. The ad 
> campaign doesn't really do it justice. People went in expecting the movie to 
> be about Brad Pitt and crew scalpin' Nazis but got much more. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > It's really good, but let me ask you: does Tarantino ever go too far in his 
> > homages/copying of other genres for your taste? For example, I loved Kill 
> > Bill, but by the time the Bride and Lu's character were fighting in the 
> > garden, complete with the water thing going, I felt as if I were being hit 
> > over the head with homages. I guess it's one thing to have touches from 
> > other films in your movie, but Tarantino literally stuffs his films with 
> > those, and it's not very subtle. 
> > Not complaining, mind you. I've only seen two of his films, so don't know 
> > if his originality outshines his homages, or if he simply repackages the 
> > homages in a skillful enough way so that one doesn't mind. After all, there 
> > are very few original ideas in Hollywood, so recycling old themes isn't by 
> > itself a crime. 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original M

[scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?

[B Smith]

Unfortunately it's no different and I find the use of the word cringeworthy 
most of the time. So no he doesn't get a pass but neither do other filmakers 
who do it for shock value.

 Like you mentioned a lot of black folks use the word casually and the 
characters in Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown use it pretty much in character. I 
had bigger problems with the usage in Pulp Fiction than in Jackie brown to be 
perfectly honest. I think part of it was Samuel L. Jackson's persona and the 
characters on the screen.

In Jackie Brown it fit because Ordell was that type of guy. In Pulp Fiction 
Jules, Marcellus and even the rednecks usage fit the characters but QT's 
character talking about Dead N* Storage rang hollow. He was Jules' friend 
and they were in a jam but that level of disrespect seemed fake.

My wife thought that Tracie Thoms character's few n-bombs seemed forced in 
Death Proof because it was so not like the characters she had done before. I 
didn't have that baggage and I thought it fit the role.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Just to ask, how in your mind does QT using the n-word in the context of the 
> worlds of his movies differ from black people doing it? I remember watching 
> the movie " The Best Man" (I think it was), the guys casually used the n-word 
> quite a bit. I may be wrong, maybe it was "The Wood". At any rate, it was a 
> black comedy that was one of those that'd be seen by black families, and i 
> was a bit surprised at how casually the word was thrown around. And of course 
> Jay-Z has recently argued with Oprah Winfrey that the word should be used by 
> people like him in order to take away its power--an argument I have never 
> supported. 
> 
> 
> 
> To be clear, I grew up in a time when the n-word was casually used all the 
> time. I no longer use it myself, but I have tons of relatives and friends who 
> do use it, typically when they're pissed at someone. I am admittedly from 
> that school that may not like it when a black person uses the word, but who 
> *hates* it when a white person directs it a black person.  But that said, 
> QT, I must admit, wasn't hurling it at black people as a personal insult, 
> just using it in the context of the world he'd built onscreen--a world based 
> on teh Blaxploitation movies he'd absorbed as a kid. So, if he's using 
> characters from such a world, and if we admit that such characters --like Jay 
> Z--still use the word quite a bit, is QT wrong for capturing that onscreen? 
> 
> 
> 
> I don't have a full opinion, again, because I've only seen two of his 
> pictures. I remember the n-word being tossed around in "Pulp Fiction" when 
> QT's character was pissed at the black man who'd been accidentally killed. I 
> flinched everytime he said it, but figured, "he's playing a racist character, 
> which is the point". Of course we could argue that there's something 
> disturbing about QT's fascination with one aspect of Black culture, but does 
> that make him racist, clueless, confused, what? 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "B Smith"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 9:27:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but 
>  who's left to kill? 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jackie Brown is Tarantino doing Elmore Leonard. He captures the plot and 
> feeling of the novel but changed the setting of the book from Florida to 
> California and changed Jackie Burke to Jackie Brown and made her black. There 
> are a few other minor changes but the movie plays just like the novel and is 
> better for it. 
> 
> I definitely agreed with Spike Lee's concerns and although QT had his blood 
> up I think the criticism stung him. His subsequent movies have definitely 
> toned it down. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > great, it's on the list! 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Martin Baxter"  
> > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > 
> > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 7:51:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 
> > 3,' but who's left to kill? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Keith, you're doing yourself a service by taking these in. When I first saw 
> > "Jackie Brown", I came into the room just after the credits had run. 
> > Watching it all the way thr

[scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?

[B Smith]

The Eric Stoltz n-bomb bugged me in Pulp Fiction as well but it was definitely 
in character for a scumbag heroin dealer.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Just to ask, how in your mind does QT using the n-word in the context of the 
> worlds of his movies differ from black people doing it? I remember watching 
> the movie " The Best Man" (I think it was), the guys casually used the n-word 
> quite a bit. I may be wrong, maybe it was "The Wood". At any rate, it was a 
> black comedy that was one of those that'd be seen by black families, and i 
> was a bit surprised at how casually the word was thrown around. And of course 
> Jay-Z has recently argued with Oprah Winfrey that the word should be used by 
> people like him in order to take away its power--an argument I have never 
> supported. 
> 
> 
> 
> To be clear, I grew up in a time when the n-word was casually used all the 
> time. I no longer use it myself, but I have tons of relatives and friends who 
> do use it, typically when they're pissed at someone. I am admittedly from 
> that school that may not like it when a black person uses the word, but who 
> *hates* it when a white person directs it a black person.  But that said, 
> QT, I must admit, wasn't hurling it at black people as a personal insult, 
> just using it in the context of the world he'd built onscreen--a world based 
> on teh Blaxploitation movies he'd absorbed as a kid. So, if he's using 
> characters from such a world, and if we admit that such characters --like Jay 
> Z--still use the word quite a bit, is QT wrong for capturing that onscreen? 
> 
> 
> 
> I don't have a full opinion, again, because I've only seen two of his 
> pictures. I remember the n-word being tossed around in "Pulp Fiction" when 
> QT's character was pissed at the black man who'd been accidentally killed. I 
> flinched everytime he said it, but figured, "he's playing a racist character, 
> which is the point". Of course we could argue that there's something 
> disturbing about QT's fascination with one aspect of Black culture, but does 
> that make him racist, clueless, confused, what? 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "B Smith"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 9:27:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but 
>  who's left to kill? 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jackie Brown is Tarantino doing Elmore Leonard. He captures the plot and 
> feeling of the novel but changed the setting of the book from Florida to 
> California and changed Jackie Burke to Jackie Brown and made her black. There 
> are a few other minor changes but the movie plays just like the novel and is 
> better for it. 
> 
> I definitely agreed with Spike Lee's concerns and although QT had his blood 
> up I think the criticism stung him. His subsequent movies have definitely 
> toned it down. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > great, it's on the list! 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Martin Baxter"  
> > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > 
> > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 7:51:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 
> > 3,' but who's left to kill? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Keith, you're doing yourself a service by taking these in. When I first saw 
> > "Jackie Brown", I came into the room just after the credits had run. 
> > Watching it all the way through (and being thoroughly delighted by it), I 
> > was dumbfounded to see Tarantino's anme as the director. Felt nothing like 
> > his usual oeuvre, which made the experience all the better, to say nothing 
> > of it making him one of my favorite directors. 
> > 
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > From: KeithBJohnson@ 
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 01:52:44 + 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 
> > 3,' but who's left to kill? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > thanks for that. I guess

[scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[B Smith]

That's Cabin Fever. It was Eli Roth's first film and it's just so out there you 
can't help but like it. Not a big fan of Hostel(but Hostel 2 is a guilty 
pleasure for some reason) but his humor and crowd pleasing finales set his 
movies apart from something like the Saw series.

BTW Dog Soldiers was made by Neil Marshall who later went on to do The Descent 
and Doomsday. The Descent stands out as one of the best horror movies in recent 
years...and that's before the fun really even starts.

I don't like the torture porn movement but the French have made some intense, 
ultraviolent thrillers in the recent years that are just jaw dropping. Inside, 
Matyrs, High Tension and Frontiers are just the tip of the gory iceberg.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> I don't do "torture porn" either. Just not my thing. I still believe that 
> real horror is based on genuine suspense, not the payoff. Though I hear that 
> Hostel and the first Saw are actually pretty suspenseful, it's too much for 
> me. 
> I did watch a flick a few months ago that I think was from Eli Roth, or one 
> of his buddies. I forget the name--"The Cave"?--but it was about the usual 
> group of idiot young people who stumble into the backwoods. There, they 
> contract some kind of flesh eating disease that starts causing them to all 
> but decay. It was actually silly fun ,and I laughed quite a bit. I think what 
> helped is that this was shown on SyFy, so much of the gratuitous gore was 
> cut, but the gist of it was still there. It was a really good time waster for 
> a cold, rainy Saturday afternoon. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mr. Worf"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. 
> Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I 
> didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. 
> 
> I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of "Torture porn." There 
> isn't a better name for it at this point. 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like "Shawn 
> of the Dead", "Twenty-Eight Days Later", and "Dog Soldiers" (the later is a 
> movie about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy 
> periodically ,and is pretty good). 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@... > 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of 
> women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on 
> it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. 
> 
> I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in 
> them a long time ago. 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@... > wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious 
> attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. 
> 
> As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents 
> here are hoping for posted images. 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: tdli...@... 
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( 
> before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, 
> Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel 
> 
> All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy 
> 
> Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do 
> not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with 
> Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was 
> buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, 
> those things were in okay, so stop laughing. 
> 
> I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was 
> poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing 
> but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which 
> the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the 
> previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have 
> thought that she decided

[scifinoir2] Re: Hundreds of Villian's Artic Lairs Exposed by Melting Ice Caps

[B Smith]

I told y'all to move to the Antarctic years ago.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
>
> Curses!  Foiled again!
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
> >
> > Melting Ice Caps Expose Hundreds Of Secret Arctic Lairs
> > 
> > ZACKENBERG RESEARCH STATION, GREENLAND-Claiming it to be one of the most
> > dramatic and visible signs of climate change to date, researchers said
> > Monday that receding polar ice caps have revealed nearly 200 clandestine
> > lairs once buried deep beneath hundreds of feet of Arctic ice.
> > 
> > Enlarge Image   Melting Ice Cap
> > 
> > An ice shelf off the coast of Greenland in 2006 (above) and last week
> > (below).
> > 
> > "We always assumed there would be some secret lairs here and there, but the
> > sheer number now being exposed is indeed troubling," said noted
> > climatologist Anders Lorenzen, who claimed that the Arctic ice caps have
> > shrunk at the alarming rate of 41,000 square miles per year. "In August
> > alone we discovered 44 mad scientist laboratories, three highly classified
> > military compounds, and seven reanimated and very confused cavemen. That's
> > more than twice the number we had found in the previous three decades
> > combined."
> > 
> > "This is no longer conjecture," Lorenzen added. "This is a full-blown
> > crisis."
> > 
> > According to oceanographers, the Arctic Circle has been devastated by the
> > effects of global warming in recent years, threatening hundreds of men and
> > women who use the frozen tundra as a place to conduct bizarre experiments in
> > human-animal grafting, carry out massive government cover-ups, or simply as
> > a hidden headquarters from which to battle the forces of evil and fight
> > crime. 
> > 
> > "Last week a giant ice sheet broke off and split my prized underground
> > complex nearly in half," said Dr. Raygun, a self-described psychotic
> > mastermind best known for his diabolical thought-control experiments. "Now
> > millions of dollars in state-of-the-art doomsday devices are gone-all
> > because of the environmental carnage wrought by the human race."
> > 
> > "You spend your whole career concocting a brilliant scheme to wipe out all
> > of mankind, and what happens?" Dr. Raygun continued. "They bring about a
> > major global catastrophe completely on their own, those fools!" 
> > 
> > Enlarge Image   Scientist
> > 
> > Evil Scientist Dr. Raygun has begun the expensive task of moving his entire
> > mutant staff to their Titan moon base.
> > 
> > Scientists predict the problem will only get worse as rising temperatures
> > release methane trapped in Arctic permafrost, perpetuating the warming cycle
> > and threatening the habitats of those who depend on the ice caps for safety
> > from the prying, meddling public.
> > 
> > Earlier this week a flying saucer surfaced and is reportedly still pulsating
> > with increasingly intense, unearthly colors. And late last month, a mystical
> > order of Nazi occultists emerged from an underground bunker where they had
> > spent decades communing with the Hyperborean gods and attempting to breed a
> > new Aryan super-species destined to destroy Homo sapiens and rule the earth
> > for untold millennia.
> > 
> > The 12 elderly Germans were detained by local law enforcement in Wainwright,
> > AK. 
> > 
> > According to a Natural Resources Defense Council survey, 78 percent of
> > sinister one-eyed industrialists based in the Arctic have been forced to
> > relocate their powerful underworld shadow governments, with many now
> > secretly orchestrating world affairs from dormant volcanoes on remote
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> > global economy during the 1980s, recently ceased operation of his orbital
> > heat cannon. Others, meanwhile, are genuinely concerned about the effect
> > that increased temperatures may have on the future of humanity.
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> > Last month saw the thawing out of a team of British explorers frozen in
> > 1848. Expedition members told reporters they were confident that, if more
> > ice melts, they can finally complete their original mission of discovering a
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> > the ice caps and toward finding a way to contain the giant reptile monster
> > Bizarricus, who was trapped in an ice floe by Japanese scientists in the
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[scifinoir2] Re: Singer Seriously Considering Return to X-Men Movies

[B Smith]

With Cyclops and Phoenix gone and Xavier incapacitated you have Wolverine, 
Storm, Iceman, Shadowcat, Beast, Nightcrawler, Colossus and maybe Rogue and 
Angel as viable team members. That's more than enough characters to build a 
storyline around. Maybe throw in the White Queen or Psylocke to give the team 
someone with psi-abilities and it works just fine.

The Sentinels would be a good addition although the Transformers may have 
stolen that thunder. I heard that last movie even had a Transformer disguised 
as a human so that makes the later Sentinel storylines seem like copies of the 
copy. 

They need to get away from Magneto as the big bad and introduce someone like 
Apocolypse as a new and bigger threat. It also would be nice to keep Xavier out 
of the action until the final act so the team has to fend for itself.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry  
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> I agree unless the storyarch of Brotherhood of Evil Mutants,Dark Phonix and 
> or Sentinals take over America and they return to the past. Anything else is 
> a wasted effort.
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> --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:
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> From: Keith Johnson 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Singer Seriously Considering Return to X-Men Movies
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 6:30 PM
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> behind either of those flicks. But you have to feel the studios have big say 
> now (he even says as much in terms of financial clout) and that makes me 
> nervous. Also, after three flicks,   I think the excitement of X movies is 
> wearing off me given the choices made in them:   Halle Berry as Storm, Ice 
> Man and Rogue too young, key powers changed (Juggernaut, Leech, Callisto), a 
> lackluster Dark Phoenix storyline. The energy and excitement is leaving,  
> and I worry about the ability to make something that's closer to the comics 
> in spirit and less just movie versions.
> It might be, too, that I'm leery even with Singer returning, because his weak 
> effort in "Superman Returns" (overly
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> Returns.""Rush Hour" director Brett Ratner ended up shooting that
> film, "X-Men: The Last Stand." South African filmmaker Gavin Hood
> made another spin-off, "X-Men Origins: Wolverine," which was
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> entertainment. He said the "X-Men" series, which follows a group of
> mutants with superpowers who struggle to fit in with humans, is
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> "The Usual Suspects" but later earned a strong following among
> comic books fans for his adaptations of popular

[scifinoir2] Re: Disney/Marvel Mashup

[B Smith]

Pretty good except for the people that mashed up Disney and DC characters.

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[scifinoir2] Re: And "The Stepfather" Remake too?!

[B Smith]

The original was a definitely an underrated gem. I like Dylan Walsh but it 
looks like he's doing an imitation of Terry O'Quinn. Not that it's a bad thing.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
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> I hear ya! 
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2"  
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:28:45 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] And "The Stepfather" Remake too?! 
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> Keith, not if you paid my ISP bill for a year. 
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> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: keithbjohn...@... 
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:51:42 + 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] And "The Stepfather" Remake too?! 
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> Not too sure how I feel about this one. The original one--starring 
> Lost/X-Files/Millennium alum Terry O'Quinn--was an understated, slow-paced 
> creepy thriller. One wonders if the creators of this one can or will capture 
> that same feeling of suspense, or just go with the modern trend of throwing 
> as much over-the-top action and blood at the audience as possible. I wonder 
> how the star --from "Nip/Tuck" will play in the lead? O'Quinn was really 
> creepy. 
> I will say, it's got Sela Ward, and I respect her as an actress--not to 
> mention I could watch her all day long! 
> 
> Anyone going to see this remake? I think this is out this weekend too, along 
> with Black Dynamite, Law Abiding Citizen, and Where the Wild Things Are. Lots 
> to chose from... 
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[scifinoir2] What Are You Reading?

[B Smith]

My semi-legendary "To be Read" pile is starting to thin out just a bit and it 
needs to be fed before it goes feral. Any suggestions?

My wife has the last book of the John Twelve Hawks Fourth Realm trilogy The 
Golden City hanging around and I may add it to the list.

I just finished an urban fantasy by Seanan McGuire called Rosemary and Rue. i 
liked it but I figured out the central mystery way too early and it made the 
book drag a bit. Plus I was hoping for something a little more gritty.

I have two books waiting to be read that might fit the bill: 

Child of Fire by Harry Connolly. It's about a not so nice guy in debt to an 
even meaner wizard. I've heard it's a bit grittier than the Harry Dresden 
series and I'm in the mood for something similar.

Next is Tom Sniegoski's A Kiss Before The Apocolypse. I first read his work in 
a collection called Mean Streets that featured a Harry Dresden story. The work 
that hooked me most was Sniegoski's story Noah's Orphans. Remy Chandler was the 
seraphim Remiel who gave up his glory after the last war in Heaven. He lived as 
a human but apart until the 20th century. He fell in love, got drawn back into 
the great game of Heavenly politics and had to hold back an apocolypse or 
three. In Noah's Orphans he is drawn into the mystery when someone kills the 
"Old Man" Noah. To say more would spoil it. 

I came into the middle of the series and mistakenly read the second book of the 
series which has some uncanny parallels to the current season of Supernatural. 
So now I'm finally reading the first book.

So what's on your list?

[scifinoir2] Re: Brian Azzarello's 'Filthy Rich' a gritty piece of pulp

[B Smith]

I'v never forgiven Azzarello for that Luke Cage miniseries he did a few years 
back and he also likes the n-word way too much. That said 100 Bullets was great 
and his other work is always interesting if not my cup of teaa.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
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> www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-1015-azzarellooct15,0,4918895.story
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> Brian Azzarello's 'Filthy Rich' a gritty piece of pulp
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> Graphic crime novel below the bar, seems to rise out of the dirt
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> Christopher Borrelli
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> Tribune reporter
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> October 15, 2009
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>   
> Brian Azzarello's "Filthy Rich" (DC Comics, $19.99), the first release for 
> Vertigo Crime, a new graphic crime novel imprint of DC, goes a long way 
> toward suggesting that the Andersonville-based comic book writer is, indeed, 
> the most jaundiced writer in the industry. The kind of guy they had in mind 
> when they invented Venetian blinds and February afternoons. One would think, 
> in the many years he's lived on the North Side, all those strollers and 
> cupcake shops would have softened an outlook so knotty and hard. But "100 
> Bullets," his masterful 10-year, 100-issue crime saga, started as a morality 
> tale about revenge (served cold, hot, etc.) and, by the time it ended last 
> spring, rarely swerved. Here's a guy who once wrote a five-issue Superman 
> comic that sympathized with Lex Luthor; and, last year, had a hit with 
> "Joker," an acclaimed graphic novel about Batman's archenemy squalid enough 
> to burn off whatever stray campiness Heath Ledger hadn't already eviscerated.
> 
> Drawn by Spanish illustrator Victor Santos with a shabbiness and indifference 
> that actually work for it, "Filthy Rich" isn't so much a brave leap in a new 
> direction as a step back to the roots of the Azzarello Outlook -- namely, the 
> grimy film noir. And not the classy kind, either, the kind shot by master 
> cinematographers who know how to make a slant of light seem like an 
> existential beacon. No, the Azzarello Outlook has more in common with the 
> kind of noir that rises out of the dirt with a coat of sweat.
> 
> "Lurid" is too polite.
> 
> "Filthy Rich" tells the story of a dumb jock who, in the 1950s, grows up to 
> become a dumb jock who sells cars in New Jersey. The dealership keeps the guy 
> around because he had some football glory and that's good for business; but 
> he busted a knee and never did much with that talent. Now he's muscle, so 
> cheapened people call him "Junk." The rest of the story is probably carved 
> somewhere, it's so archetypal: The owner of the dealership has a daughter, a 
> wild child/femme fatale who needs protecting. Junk is hired. There's a 
> murder. One bad decision leads to the next.
> 
> The dialogue may be playfully cheap ("It was the perfect crime. Or should I 
> say, Vicki was perfect.") but the art is bargain basement -- black and 
> whites, not beautifully harsh enough to recall Frank Miller's "Sin City," but 
> with the dashed-off, unfinished quality of old "Steve Canyon" newspaper 
> strips. The bar for graphic novel pulp crime is set fairly high, and 
> surprisingly smart -- it was set earlier this year by Scott Dunbier and 
> Darwyn Cooke's "The Hunter," a remarkably soulful adaptation of Donald E. 
> Westlake's 1962 pulp classic. What Azzarello has accomplished, however, is 
> more perverse, and charming for it: a graphic pulp crime novel too enamored 
> of vintage, scuzzball paperback morality tales to transcend them. After all, 
> the world needs louts.
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[scifinoir2] Re: What Are You Reading?

[B Smith]

Mieville is a bit hit or miss with me. He has great ideas and can write 
beautifully but sometimes his work seems to run out of steam and limp to a 
conclusion. I loved The Scar but was bit underwhelmed by Iron Council. Please 
let me know how The City and The City turns out.

Have you ever read anything by Mark Sumner? He wrote two damned fine books in 
the late 90s called Devil's Tower and Devil's Engine. They take place in an 
alternate American West where magic exists due to a apocolyptic event during 
Civil War. They might be something you'd enjoy. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
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> Right now, B, I'm reading China Miewille's "The City and The City" (the 
> second "The City" mirror-reversed), about a detective investigating the 
> murder of a woman who seems to be a prostitute. The detective soon realizes 
> that the woman is from a version of the city that exists in the same space as 
> the city he's in. After that, I've got Brent Weeks' "Night Angel" trilogy, in 
> which a young boy learns to become an assassin, but only after he masters the 
> one unique magical gift he has. (Problem is, he doesn't know what the gift is 
> just yet.)
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: daikaij...@...
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> My wife has the last book of the John Twelve Hawks Fourth Realm trilogy The 
> Golden City hanging around and I may add it to the list.
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> I just finished an urban fantasy by Seanan McGuire called Rosemary and Rue. i 
> liked it but I figured out the central mystery way too early and it made the 
> book drag a bit. Plus I was hoping for something a little more gritty.
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> I have two books waiting to be read that might fit the bill: 
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> Child of Fire by Harry Connolly. It's about a not so nice guy in debt to an 
> even meaner wizard. I've heard it's a bit grittier than the Harry Dresden 
> series and I'm in the mood for something similar.
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> Next is Tom Sniegoski's A Kiss Before The Apocolypse. I first read his work 
> in a collection called Mean Streets that featured a Harry Dresden story. The 
> work that hooked me most was Sniegoski's story Noah's Orphans. Remy Chandler 
> was the seraphim Remiel who gave up his glory after the last war in Heaven. 
> He lived as a human but apart until the 20th century. He fell in love, got 
> drawn back into the great game of Heavenly politics and had to hold back an 
> apocolypse or three. In Noah's Orphans he is drawn into the mystery when 
> someone kills the "Old Man" Noah. To say more would spoil it. 
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> I came into the middle of the series and mistakenly read the second book of 
> the series which has some uncanny parallels to the current season of 
> Supernatural. So now I'm finally reading the first book.
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[scifinoir2] Re: What Are You Reading?

[B Smith]

Good luck finding them. I found my copies when I was scrounging around in the 
basement and quickly put them on the shelf of honor.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
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> As for the two you recommend, I know that they're good. So good, in fact, 
> that I was going to buy them at a B Dalton, and someone stole them when I put 
> them down to use the Little Lifeform's Room. The manager told me that he'd 
> rung them up personally, the *only* copies. Been meaning to re-order them.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: daikaij...@...
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> and limp to a conclusion. I loved The Scar but was bit underwhelmed by Iron 
> Council. Please let me know how The City and The City turns out.
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> Have you ever read anything by Mark Sumner? He wrote two damned fine books in 
> the late 90s called Devil's Tower and Devil's Engine. They take place in an 
> alternate American West where magic exists due to a apocolyptic event during 
> Civil War. They might be something you'd enjoy. 
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> > Right now, B, I'm reading China Miewille's "The City and The City" (the 
> > second "The City" mirror-reversed), about a detective investigating the 
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> > that the woman is from a version of the city that exists in the same space 
> > as the city he's in. After that, I've got Brent Weeks' "Night Angel" 
> > trilogy, in which a young boy learns to become an assassin, but only after 
> > he masters the one unique magical gift he has. (Problem is, he doesn't know 
> > what the gift is just yet.)
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> > Chandler was the seraphim Remiel who gave up his glory after the last war 
> > in Heaven. He lived as a human but apart until the 20th century. He fell in 
> > love, got drawn back into the great game of Heavenly politics and had to 
> > hold back an apocolypse or three. In Noah's Orphans he is drawn into the 
> > mystery when someone kills the "Old Man" Noah. To say more would spoil it. 
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[scifinoir2] Re: 9 Weirdest-Looking Animals You Didn't Know Existed (PHOTOS)

[B Smith]

I've always wanted an axolotl. They were actually sort of common in biomedical 
research labs back in the day because they can regenerate their tissues, limbs 
and tail. 

The giant isopods creep me out. They look they are plotting to invade Japan and 
wreak havoc before Godzilla, Gamera or Ultraman shows up to put an end to it.

Read more at: 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/15/9-weirdest-looking-animal_n_317907.html---
 In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
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> Yup. Those were, at that.   
> _
> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection.
> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Limbaugh dropped from group bidding for St Louis Rams

[B Smith]

I was never worried. Some of the NFL owners maybe a different shade of bigot 
than Rush but they know black, brown and yellow folks watch the games, buy 
tickets, jerseys and merchandise. Goodell and owners aren't stupid.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart  wrote:
>
> 
> Everybody chill.  We got this.
> 
> NEW YORK (Reuters) - Controversial conservative talk show host Rush  
> Limbaugh has been dropped from a group trying to buy the St. Louis  
> Rams after several black NFL players objected and the league  
> commissioner weighed in against Limbaugh's "divisive comments."
> 
> "It has become clear that his (Limbaugh's) involvement in our group  
> has become a complication and a distraction to our intentions," said  
> SPC Worldwide Chairman Dave Checketts, who is leading the bid to buy  
> the National Football League team and keep it in St. Louis.
> 
> "We have decided to move forward without him and hope it will  
> eventually lead us to a successful conclusion," Checketts said in an  
> emailed statement.
> 
> Several black NFL players have told newspaper reporters they would  
> never play for a team owned by Limbaugh because of remarks they found  
> racially objectionable, including his comment that the media wanted  
> Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb to succeed because he  
> is black.
> 
> Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay on Tuesday said he could not  
> consider voting to approve Limbaugh as an owner because of comments  
> that were "inappropriate, incendiary and insensitive," according to  
> an Associated Press report posted on the NFL's website.
> 
> According to the report, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell told the NFL  
> Fall League Meeting: "I think divisive comments are not what the NFL  
> is all about. I would not want to see those kind of comments from  
> people who are in a responsible position within the NFL."
> 
> Checketts' group is bidding for the Rams as part of a sale being  
> conducted by Goldman Sachs. While the process limits Checketts on  
> what he can say, he obtained special permission to clarify the  
> investor group's intentions, he said.
> 
> A spokeswoman for Limbaugh could not immediately be reached for comment.
> 
> Checketts, who owns the National Hockey League's St. Louis Blues,  
> wants to keep the Rams based in St. Louis, and to bolster these  
> efforts, his group had invited Missourians to join them, leading to  
> Limbaugh getting involved.
> 
> Limbaugh was to have had a limited partnership role, said Checketts,  
> and little day-to-day involvement.
> 
> A native of Missouri, Limbaugh is one of the most highly paid figures  
> in broadcast media and an ardent football fan who came close to  
> landing a spot as a commentator on "Monday Night Football" on ABC in  
> 2000.
> 
> Three years later, Limbaugh, who played football in high school,  
> joined ESPN's "Sunday NFL Countdown."
> 
> After a month on the show, he resigned amid controversy over his  
> remarks about McNabb.
> 
> Limbaugh was born in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, and later worked for  
> the Kansas City Royals baseball team.
> 
> Forbes magazine recently valued the Rams at $913 million, ranking  
> them 25th out of 32 NFL teams.
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Interracial Couple Denied Marriage License By Louisiana Justice Of The Peace

[B Smith]

I'm glad this came to light. Justices of the Peace have their own little 
fiefdoms and no one probably ever called him on his bullshit. He tried to 
grandstand and now the state will have to come down on him. 

Tangipahoa Parish wasn't exactly rife with interracial couples back in the day 
but with Southeastern University continuing to grow and more affluent folks 
moving into the area from other places it was bound to happen sooner than later.


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Maybe he is trying to prevent any future Obamas from being born?
> 
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:34 AM, Martin Baxter
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the South will rise again.
> >
> > Because sh*t does float.
> >
> > --
> > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it 
> > now.
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: What Are You Reading?

[B Smith]

I really want to read some Neal Stephenson but I keep putting it off. I'll have 
to tackle it someday.

Has anyone read William Gibson's post-cyberpunk work like Pattern Recognition 
or Spook Country? My wife loved them both but they didn't fully hook me. I'm 
scared Stephenson's work will do the same.

On the other hand I loved Walter Jon Williams' This Is Not A Game. It's one of 
the most enjoyable books I've read this year.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco  wrote:
>
> Anathem bu Neal Stephenson and Dream Of Perpetual Motion by author's name 
> escapes me. It's an advance copy that isn't out until next march.
> 
> B
> 
> --- On Thu, 10/15/09, B Smith  wrote:
> 
> From: B Smith 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] What Are You Reading?
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 8:50 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   My semi-legendary "To be Read" pile is starting to thin out 
> just a bit and it needs to be fed before it goes feral. Any suggestions?
> 
> 
> 
> My wife has the last book of the John Twelve Hawks Fourth Realm trilogy The 
> Golden City hanging around and I may add it to the list.
> 
> 
> 
> I just finished an urban fantasy by Seanan McGuire called Rosemary and Rue. i 
> liked it but I figured out the central mystery way too early and it made the 
> book drag a bit. Plus I was hoping for something a little more gritty.
> 
> 
> 
> I have two books waiting to be read that might fit the bill: 
> 
> 
> 
> Child of Fire by Harry Connolly. It's about a not so nice guy in debt to an 
> even meaner wizard. I've heard it's a bit grittier than the Harry Dresden 
> series and I'm in the mood for something similar.
> 
> 
> 
> Next is Tom Sniegoski's A Kiss Before The Apocolypse. I first read his work 
> in a collection called Mean Streets that featured a Harry Dresden story. The 
> work that hooked me most was Sniegoski's story Noah's Orphans. Remy Chandler 
> was the seraphim Remiel who gave up his glory after the last war in Heaven. 
> He lived as a human but apart until the 20th century. He fell in love, got 
> drawn back into the great game of Heavenly politics and had to hold back an 
> apocolypse or three. In Noah's Orphans he is drawn into the mystery when 
> someone kills the "Old Man" Noah. To say more would spoil it. 
> 
> 
> 
> I came into the middle of the series and mistakenly read the second book of 
> the series which has some uncanny parallels to the current season of 
> Supernatural. So now I'm finally reading the first book.
> 
> 
> 
> So what's on your list?
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Intro: San Francisco California

[B Smith]

Welcome to the group. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Hi Gina, welcome to the group! I'm from the bay area too.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Gina Gold  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Hi I'm Gina and I love all things Sci Fi, from classic twilight zone to
> > cheezy B movie 70's Food Of The Gods type stuff. I am a big X files fan and
> > I have a blog. Right now I am writing a story on the blog which is an erotic
> > fantasy about a stripper and a wolf. I look forward to meeting everyone in
> > the group.
> >
> >
> > visit me at: www.theginagoldshow.com Blogging For The Rest Of You
> > Muthas
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Charlize Theron Taking Mel Gibson's Place as Mad Max Star?

[B Smith]

The story says she's a yet unnamed female co-lead. Tom Hardy(Star Trek: 
Nemesis, Rock N' Rolla, Bronson) is cast as Max. 

I guess the raves Hardy's gotten for Bronson gave him the edge over Aussie Sam 
Worthington who I thought was dead solid perfect for the role.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> WTF??? 
> 
> I love Theron and think she's a tough actress, but don't get this remake 
> concept. Is there nothing new under the Sun...? 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2"  
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 6:02:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Charlize Theron Taking Mel Gibson's Place as Mad Max 
> Star? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Keith, deep breathing... 
> 
> http://io9.com/5387945/is-charlize-theron-taking-mel-gibsons-place-as-mad-max-star
>  
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Windows 7: I wanted more reliable, now it's more reliable. Wow!
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Cory Doctorow reviews "Life and Times of Martha Washington"

[B Smith]

This is my Christmas present. I have all of the series except the final story 
but having them in one big volume is great. Miller gets a lot of criticism 
about his depiction of women(some justified, some not) but he hit it out of the 
park with this series.

Now if he'd just get off his duff and write some more Lance Blastoff stories 
I'd be a happy man. If you've never read them just imagine Buck Rogers as an 
amoral, gunrunning space pirate, ladies man and general scumbag but told with 
tongue firmly in cheek. The only thing that comes close is Rick Remender and 
Tony Moore's early Fear Agent stories.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
>
> http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/29/life-and-times-of-ma.html
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Zoe Saldana in the Losers

[B Smith]

The Losers is a great comic. Unfortunately the superficial similarity to the 
A-Team could hurt the movie. 

I wonder if they'll throw the entire story into the movie or will they leave 
some wiggle room for a sequel or three.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
>
> http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/10/06/zoe-saldana-in-the-losers/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Ok, Call me old fashion but...

[B Smith]

Thank Jay Leno for pushing the drama series NBC has left and hour forward.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Tonight I was watching a Halloween special called Monsters vs
> Aliens/Pumpkins on NBC. Immediately following the show, and a funny
> commercial they start Law and Order featuring a double murder and
> mutilation. Call me old fashion, but shouldn't they have given a warning to
> the parents to change the channel before the show started? Or has that
> become passe?
> 
> Poor taste doesn't fit here
> 
> -- 
> Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Harvard Offering Course on HBO Hit 'The Wire'

[B Smith]

There is so much meat in The Wire I could easily see a course being taught 
about it.

Keith,
Do yourself a favor and watch it. I loved Homicide but The Wire was  a better 
show and seeing it play out over five seasons is an incredible experience. It 
seemingly starts out as a good guys-bad guys urban drama but Simon and Co. flip 
the script early on and you realize it's something much deeper. It's the story 
of an America city warts and all.

I have the coplete series on dvd and I plan on watching it again from Season 1. 
It's that good.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Interesting. i've never seen "The Wire" (dropped HBO years ago), though I 
> certainly love it's predecessor "Homicide: Life on the Streets", which is one 
> of my fav TV series of all times. It's on my list of must-own series on DVD, 
> along with Deep Space Nine.  
> 
> I wonder what's next: use DS9 or BSG to discuss matters of warfare, how 
> governments lose their way in the name of protecting the people (Section 31, 
> or the Starfleet clamp down on Earth during the Changeling scare). Perhaps 
> discuss the nature of religious beliefs in shaping society (The Prophets on 
> DS9) and justifying heinous acts (the God-fearing Cylons of BSG)? 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Harvard Offering Course on HBO Hit 'The Wire' 
> 
> Date: Monday, November 02, 2009, 5:43 am 
> By: EURweb.com 
> 
> Students at Harvard University will be able to learn more about understanding 
> and combating urban social issues through a new course based on HBO's 
> critically-acclaimed series "The Wire," which followed the struggles of urban 
> life in Baltimore. 
> 
> “‘The Wire’ has done more to enhance our understanding of the systemic 
> urban inequality that constrains the lives of the poor than any published 
> study” said sociology professor William J. Wilson, according to The Harvard 
> Crimson newspaper.        
> 
> African-American studies chair Professor Evelyn B. Higginbotham said Wilson 
> will teach the new course, in which the show will be used as a case study for 
> poverty in America.        
> 
> Panelists at the sold-out event encouraged audience members to internalize 
> these harsh realities of the real world problems that the show depicts and 
> actively work to solve them.        
> 
> “Everything we’re doing to make the world a better place is really for 
> our kids,” said actor Michael K. Williams, who played gay stick-up artist 
> Omar Little on the show. “Our kids are dying in huge numbers. It’s the 
> real wire.”        
> 
> Sonja Sohn, who played detective Kima Greggs, described the work of Rewired 
> for Change, the non-profit she started with other cast members to help 
> at-risk youth in the areas of Baltimore depicted in “The Wire.” She 
> encouraged audience members to make similar changes in the communities they 
> learn about through “The Wire” and the new Harvard course.        
> 
> “Become a part of these communities. These circumstances will not change if 
> you do nothing,” Sohn said. “Get it moving. Get it popping. Get up off 
> your butt and do something.”        
> 
> Panel attendee Sarah V. Chace (class of 1980), who is also a fan of the show, 
> said she already uses “The Wire” as a case study in a class on community 
> leadership she teaches at Albertus Magnus College in New Haven. She said she 
> came to the event to hear more about how other academics and the actors view 
> the role of “The Wire” in depicting urban life.        
> 
> The event was sponsored by the African American Studies Department and two 
> local charitable organizations, the Boston Foundation and the Ella J. Baker 
> House.
>

[scifinoir2] Re: World's Largest Cruise Ship Barely Clears Bridge

[B Smith]

Are these condo's permanent docked housing are they like the ResidenSea ships?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_(cruise_ship)

Residensea's The World has been operational for a few years and   they were 
planning on building an even larger ships before the world economy went soft.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I agree. There is a super sized luxury liner that comes to port in San
> Francisco a couple of times a year. They barely cleared the bottom of the
> golden gate bridge by 40 feet. Ridiculous!
> 
> There has been talk of making some of them into floating condo complexes.
> 
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > My goodness, five times larger than Titanic? Over 1.5 *billion*? Veritable
> > ecosystems on board? Man, if this isn't the stuff of post-apocalyptic scifi
> > stories (the last survivors of a nuclear holocaust travel the world on a
> > former cruise ship), i don't know what is...
> >
> > *
> >
> > Largest cruise ship squeezes under Danish bridge
> >   [image: The Oasis of The Seas, the world's largest cruise ship clears a
> > crucial]
> > AP
> >  â€" The
> > Oasis of The Seas, the world's largest cruise ship clears a crucial
> > obstacle, lowering its smokestacks, …
> >
> >- [image: Largest cruise ship ever sets sail]
> >
> > 
> >*Slideshow:*Largest cruise ship ever sets 
> > sail
> >
> > By JAN M. OLSEN, Associated Press Writer Jan M. Olsen, Associated Press
> > Writer â€" Sun Nov 1, 9:23 am ET
> >
> > KORSOER, Denmark â€" The world's largest cruise ship cleared a crucial
> > obstacle Sunday, lowering its smokestacks to squeeze under a bridge in
> > Denmark.
> >
> > The Oasis of the Seas â€" which rises about 20 stories high â€" passed below
> > the Great Belt Fixed Link with a slim margin as it left the Baltic Sea on
> > its maiden voyage to Florida.
> >
> > Bridge operators said that even after lowering its telescopic smokestacks
> > the giant ship had less than a 2-foot (half-meter) gap.
> >
> > Hundreds of people gathered on beaches at both ends of the bridge, waiting
> > for hours to watch the brightly lit behemoth sail by shortly after midnight
> > (2300GMT; 7 p.m. EDT).
> >
> > "It was fantastic to see it glide under the bridge. Boy, it was big," said
> > Kurt Hal, 56.
> >
> > Company officials are banking that its novelty will help guarantee its
> > success. Five times larger than the Titanic, the $1.5 billion ship has
> > seven neighborhoods, an ice rink, a small golf course and a 750-seat
> > outdoor amphitheater. It has 2,700 cabins and can accommodate 6,300
> > passengers and 2,100 crew members.
> >
> > Accommodations include loft cabins, with floor-to-ceiling windows, and
> > 1,600-square-foot (487-meter) luxury suites with balconies overlooking the
> > sea or promenades.
> >
> > The liner also has four swimming pools, volleyball and basketball courts,
> > and a youth zone with theme parks and nurseries for children.
> >
> > Oasis of the Sea, nearly 40 percent larger than the industry's next-biggest
> > ship, was conceived years before the economic downturn caused desperate
> > cruise lines to slash prices to fill vacant berths.
> >
> > It was built by STX Finland for Royal Caribbean International and left the
> > shipyard in Finland on Friday. Officials hadn't expected any problems in
> > passing the Great Belt bridge, but traffic was stopped for about 15 minutes
> > as a precaution when the ship approached, Danish navy spokesman Joergen
> > Brand said.
> >
> > Aboard the Oasis of the Seas, project manager Toivo Ilvonen of STX Finland
> > confirmed that the ship had passed under the bridge without any incidents.
> >
> > "Nothing fell off," he said.
> >
> > The enormous ship features various "neighborhoods" â€" parks, squares and
> > arenas with special themes. One of them will be a tropical environment,
> > including palm trees and vines among the total 12,000 plants on board.
> > They will be planted after the ship arrives in Fort Lauderdale.
> >
> > In the stern, a 750-seat outdoor theater â€" modeled on an ancient Greek
> > amphitheater â€" doubles as a swimming pool by day and an ocean front
> > theater by night. The pool has a diving tower with spring boards and two
> > 33-foot (10-meter) high-dive platforms. An indoor theater seats 1,300
> > guests.
> >
> > One of the "neighborhoods," named Central Park, features a square with
> > boutiques, restaurants and bars, including a bar that moves up and down
> > three decks, allowing customers to get on and off at different levels.
> >
> > Once home, the $1.5 billion f

[scifinoir2] Re: Keith, I believe that you asked what Pat Boone was up to...

[B Smith]

The funniest thing is reading the apologists trying to play dumb. Nope, no 
racially charged language in that article.right.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> wow, true colors shining through 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2"  
> Sent: Monday, November 2, 2009 8:52:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Keith, I believe that you asked what Pat Boone was up 
> to... 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> And here he is, floridly preaching hate, as only a good hatemonger can... 
> 
> http://mediamatters.org/blog/200911020030 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now.
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[B Smith]

Barry Sonnenfeld was the director of MIB and Wild, Wild West. 

Will supposedly didn't "get" The Matrix. Jada pushed him to take it but he felt 
more comfortable doing WWW with Sonnenfeld and the rest is history.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus  wrote:
>
> but Rave, i thought the Will turned down Matrix because he was about 2 do 
> Wild Wild West?  at least that is what he said when they interviewed him a 
> few years ago.  he said that when the brothers tried 2 pitch him the role, 
> he was kind of up in the air about it, so he chose 2 do WWW because of the 
> director - whom had directed him in MIB - sodeberg (sp)
> 
> Fate.
> p.s. on another tip, i would have loved 2 see col. war (my diff'rent world 
> reference) as han solo.
> 
> --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> From: Kelwyn 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 6:59 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Serendipity is everything (like the makers of "The Matrix" 
> choosing Keanu Reeves over Will Smith) but can you imagine finding out 
> (thirty years after the fact) that you ALMOST had the signature role in the 
> most lucrative movie franchise of all time?
> 
> 
> 
> ~(no)rave!
> 
> 
> 
> --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > The movie would have been completely different. I think I would have loved
> 
> > it even more! :) I was really missing people of color in the film, and
> 
> > having one as a main character would have really made me smile as a kid.
> 
> > Maybe in one of those alternate universes there are all of the movies with
> 
> > alternate castings.
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > There's a bunch of jokes that I could make about the Black Han Solo showing
> 
> > Princess Leia his...ahem "chocolate light saber.." but I won't make that
> 
> > joke... Nope... No way...
> 
> > 
> 
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > > This reminds me of an old thread I started on this list many eons ago 
> > > about
> 
> > > how weren't any cool white actors under 50 because in the past cool white
> 
> > > actors were just stand ins for cool black guys.  Disappointingly, 
> > > Hollywood
> 
> > > seems to be regressing back to the bad old days.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > ~(no)rave!
> 
> > >
> 
> > > http://xaiquaox. notlong.com
> 
> > >
> 
> > > Here's  Turman in a 2007 interview.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > Q. Is it true that you were originally cast as Han Solo in Star Wars?
> 
> > >
> 
> > > A. That was in George Lucas' book. Apparently George Lucas had me in mind
> 
> > > for the role, and then thought that there might be too much controversy
> 
> > > between a white Princess Leia and a black Han Solo â€" because those 
> > > were the
> 
> > > times â€" and he didn't want to get into that. At the time, I had no 
> > > idea. I
> 
> > > just went to the audition, did it and got out of there. Years later, I 
> > > read
> 
> > > his book and said, "What?" I'm waiting to run into Harrison Ford and get 
> > > my
> 
> > > cut of his career.
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >  - - --
> 
> > >
> 
> > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> 
> > >
> 
> > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? 
> > > fmvn=mapYahoo!
> 
> > > Groups Links
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > -- 
> 
> > Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> 
> > Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ 
> > of_darkness/
> 
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Teen Titans: Blackest Night

[B Smith]

Dove's been around in one form or another since the 60s and the female version 
has been around since the late 80s. He powers and character are nothing like 
Storm.

Is it the white hair?  

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb  wrote:
>
> You mean.. Dove?
> 
> Seriously, I have no idea what your question is.
> 
> Justin
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I don't read "Teen Titans" (or any other comic, currently) so tell me true
> > - is the woman on the cover of this issue (link below) some kind of broke
> > ass Storm?
> >
> > ~rave?
> >
> > http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/10/29/new-comics-10-28-09/
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
> http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Fringe losing audience on Thursdays

[B Smith]

It's also going head to head with Supernatural and that's probably hurting both 
shows. I have all of this season's episodes on dvr but I haven't seen any of 
them.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I think that as the show progresses it has lost a bit of the wonderment. It
> isn't as fantastical as the first season was. In the first season we saw a
> lot of really cool stuff that was never seen before like the people trapped
> in amber.
> 
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> > In its second season, the sci-fi mystery is getting clobbered in a tough
> > Thursday night time slot.
> >
> > It's down 26% from the season premiere of 7.8 million.
> >
> > ~(no)rave!
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
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[scifinoir2] Re: Fringe losing audience on Thursdays

[B Smith]

This move really didn't make sense but we are talking about Fox. They love to 
move solid performing shows to other nights and timeslots.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> The moving shows around is moronic to me. I understand moving a show if it
> is not doing good in a particular time slot, but the concept of putting it
> against a show that has a similar audience and forcing them to choose is
> just stupid to me. There have been a ton of good shows that have gone to an
> early grave because tv execs were experimenting with time slots.
> 
> I do not think Xfiles would make it on tv today because of the way they are
> moving things around.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:25 AM, B Smith  wrote:
> 
> > It's also going head to head with Supernatural and that's probably hurting
> > both shows. I have all of this season's episodes on dvr but I haven't seen
> > any of them.
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I think that as the show progresses it has lost a bit of the wonderment.
> > It
> > > isn't as fantastical as the first season was. In the first season we saw
> > a
> > > lot of really cool stuff that was never seen before like the people
> > trapped
> > > in amber.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> > >
> > > > In its second season, the sci-fi mystery is getting clobbered in a
> > tough
> > > > Thursday night time slot.
> > > >
> > > > It's down 26% from the season premiere of 7.8 million.
> > > >
> > > > ~(no)rave!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
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> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> > > Mahogany at:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> > 
> >
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[scifinoir2] Re: Teen Titans: Blackest Night

[B Smith]

Testy much? LOL 

I think we might be looking at two different books. The Blackest Night: Titans 
cover features a battle damaged Dove(blue and white suit with white hair) but 
the Teen Titans cover features Raven(black outfit). Which one were you talking 
about? 

Are you referring to Storm's movie outfit or her various comic costumes? 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
>
> Yeah, yeah, but to answer my question - white hair, skin tight black suit - 
> Stormesque, no?
> 
> ~rave?
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb  wrote:
> >
> > God, I never noticed that!  Characters with skim tight costumes in a  
> > superhero comic!
> > 
> > Justin
> > 
> > On 2009-11-03, at 11:20 AM, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Do I mean "Dove"? Seriously, doesn't this character with her white  
> > > hair and skin-tight black suit, look like "Storm"?
> > >
> > > ~rave?
> > >
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb  
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You mean.. Dove?
> > > >
> > > > Seriously, I have no idea what your question is.
> > > >
> > > > Justin
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't read "Teen Titans" (or any other comic, currently) so  
> > > tell me true
> > > > > - is the woman on the cover of this issue (link below) some kind  
> > > of broke
> > > > > ass Storm?
> > > > >
> > > > > ~rave?
> > > > >
> > > > > http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/10/29/new-comics-10-28-09/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
> > > > http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[B Smith]

Supposedly Will was their Neo and Val Kilmer was Morpheus. Both ended up bowing 
out of the film.

I think Jet Li turned down the role of Seraph to do The One. I also read that 
he was concerned that the amount of time needed to film both sequels would 
cause other conflicts.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> Hey Rave:
> 
>  
> 
> I’m pretty sure Will Smith turned it down, just like Jet Li turned down a 
> part in it.  They wanted Smith first.  At least that is how I remember Smith 
> and Jada telling it in interviews.  
> 
>  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Mr. Worf
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:36 AM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> At the time the Wochowski brothers were not well known and this was their 
> first big film. But I think if things were different it would have been 
> incredible.  Aliah, Will Smith? Wow. 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Augustus Augustus  wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> 
> but Rave, i thought the Will turned down Matrix because he was about 2 do 
> Wild Wild West?  at least that is what he said when they interviewed him a 
> few years ago.  he said that when the brothers tried 2 pitch him the role, he 
> was kind of up in the air about it, so he chose 2 do WWW because of the 
> director - whom had directed him in MIB - sodeberg (sp)
> 
> Fate.
> p.s. on another tip, i would have loved 2 see col. war (my diff'rent world 
> reference) as han solo.
> 
> --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Kelwyn 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 6:59 AM
> 
>   
> 
> Serendipity is everything (like the makers of "The Matrix" choosing Keanu 
> Reeves over Will Smith) but can you imagine finding out (thirty years after 
> the fact) that you ALMOST had the signature role in the most lucrative movie 
> franchise of all time?
> 
> ~(no)rave!
> 
> --- In scifino...@yahoogro 
>   ups.com, "Mr. Worf" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > The movie would have been completely different. I think I would have loved
> > it even more! :) I was really missing people of color in the film, and
> > having one as a main character would have really made me smile as a kid.
> > Maybe in one of those alternate universes there are all of the movies with
> > alternate castings.
> > 
> > 
> > There's a bunch of jokes that I could make about the Black Han Solo showing
> > Princess Leia his...ahem "chocolate light saber.." but I won't make that
> > joke... Nope... No way...
> > 
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> > 
> > > This reminds me of an old thread I started on this list many eons ago 
> > > about
> > > how weren't any cool white actors under 50 because in the past cool white
> > > actors were just stand ins for cool black guys. Disappointingly, Hollywood
> > > seems to be regressing back to the bad old days.
> > >
> > > ~(no)rave!
> > >
> > > http://xaiquaox.   notlong.com
> > >
> > > Here's Turman in a 2007 interview.
> > >
> > > Q. Is it true that you were originally cast as Han Solo in Star Wars?
> > >
> > > A. That was in George Lucas' book. Apparently George Lucas had me in mind
> > > for the role, and then thought that there might be too much controversy
> > > between a white Princess Leia and a black Han Solo â€" because those 
> > > were the
> > > times â€" and he didn't want to get into that. At the time, I had no 
> > > idea. I
> > > just went to the audition, did it and got out of there. Years later, I 
> > > read
> > > his book and said, "What?" I'm waiting to run into Harrison Ford and get 
> > > my
> > > cut of his career.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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[scifinoir2] Re: Teen Titans: Blackest Night

[B Smith]

It's Dove. Her former partner Hawk/Monarch/Extant becoming one of the Black 
Lanterns is part of the storyline. 

Also Terra was a blonde and Dove has white/silver hair and the costume is very 
different. The original Terra is also one of the Black Lanterns. 

Apparently there is a new Terra and she's a brunette with a different origin 
and costume. 


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer  wrote:
>
> I think that might be Terraand not Dove.
> 
> c w m
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > No, rave. That's a funny angle on her, making he rloook darker-skinned than
> > she is. Dove is one pale little thang.
> >
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > From: ravena...@...
> > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:08:46 +
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Teen Titans: Blackest Night
> >
> >
> >  I don't read "Teen Titans" (or any other comic, currently) so tell me
> > true - is the woman on the cover of this issue (link below) some kind of
> > broke ass Storm?
> >
> > ~rave?
> >
> > http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/10/29/new-comics-10-28-09/
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up 
> > now.
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> 
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> Netflix Friends
> http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/P5Vr384ukvNnY78xUJOT
>

[scifinoir2] CNBC Reporter Doesn't Think Naturalized Americans Are Really Americans

[B Smith]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/03/referring-to-marathon-win_n_343772.html

Referring To Marathon Winner As "Technically American" Has Become A Disturbing 
Trend [UPDATE]

It really takes a special kind of irredeemable pigheadedness to read about 
American marathon runner Meb Keflezighi's victory in the New York City marathon 
and decide that the moment calls for a display of pissy, fact-free nationalism. 
But that's just what CNBC's Darren Rovell has done:

It's a stunning headline: American Wins Men's NYC Marathon For First Time Since 
'82. 
Unfortunately, it's not as good as it sounds.

Meb Keflezighi, who won yesterday in New York, is technically American by 
virtue of him becoming a citizen in 1998, but the fact that he's not 
American-born takes away from the magnitude of the achievement the headline 
implies.


I don't know. According to the newspaper, this is what happened in the New York 
City marathon:

Keflezighi pointed to those U.S.A. letters as he neared the finish line, riding 
the roar of the Central Park crowd to become the first American man to win the 
race since Alberto Salazar in 1982. He did it by vanquishing two Kenyans 
considered the favorites, a rare feat for an American in any distance race. 
And he played the lead in a huge United States resurgence: six Americans 
finished in the top 10, a number not seen since 1979.

"It was a great day for me and a great day for us American guys," Keflezighi 
said. "And I think we are only the start of it."

Keflezighi (pronounced ka-FLEZ-ghee) dropped to the ground, tears streaming 
down his face, when he won in his best time of 2 hours 9 minutes 15 seconds -- 
41 seconds ahead of Kenya's Robert Cheruiyot, a four-time winner of the Boston 
Marathon and one of the most accomplished marathoners in history.


Now, Rovell is just one of many ridiculous fools who have decided to step out 
on this "this victory didn't really count" vanguard, but my question to him is 
the same to everyone forming a part of that brainless mini-movement:

Story continues below  Do you have any facts at your disposal to refute the 
premise that an American won the New York City marathon in 2:09:15? No? Then, 
hey, here's a hot sack of shut up for you!

Let's go back to some of the actual marathon story, just for a little 
perspective on Meb Keflezighi.

"U.S.A. gave me all the opportunities, education, sports, lifestyle," 
Keflezighi said. "When you dream, you dream. You don't give up." 
His running career took off once his family settled here. He won four N.C.A.A. 
titles at U.C.L.A. and became an American citizen in 1998. He lives with his 
wife, Yordanos, and their two daughters in Mammoth Lakes, Calif., now, leading 
his fellow runners by example and inspiration.


Fun facts: Keflezighi won a silver medal -- for America -- in the 2004 
Olympics, too. It counted! Old Glory flew behind him on the medal stand and 
everything. Also, his American teammates seem to love the guy:

"If there was one other guy in the race that I wanted to win, it was Meb," 
[U.S.A. marathoner Ryan] Hall said. "I've learned so much from him. I feel like 
he's an older brother to me, so it was really neat for him to win. Just seeing 
him go through those hard times and a lot of people were starting to write him 
off."
What Rovell seems to be struggling with here is just a guy with a name that he 
finds inconvenient to pronounce, something that Stephen Colbert ably parodied 
last night:

Whether or not you're of the opinion that Meb Keflezighi has done more for his 
country than, say, Darren Rovell, ridiculous fool, is, I suppose, a matter of 
opinion.

UPDATE: Rovell has now apologized for his previous column:

I said that Keflezighi's win, the first by an American since 1982, wasn't as 
big as it was being made out to be because there was a difference between being 
an American-born product and being an American citizen. Frankly I didn't 
account for the fact that virtually all of Keflezighi's running experience came 
as a US citizen. I never said he didn't deserve to be called American. 

All I was saying was that we should celebrate an American marathon champion who 
has completely been brought up through the American system.

This is where, I must admit, my critics made their best point. It turns out, 
Keflezighi moved to the United States in time to develop at every level in 
America. So Meb is in fact an American trained athlete and an American citizen 
and he should be celebrated as the American winner of the NYC Marathon. That 
makes a difference and makes him different from the "ringer" I accused him of 
being. Meb didn't deserve that comparison and I apologize for that.


That's all well and good. But all the "facts" he now accounts for having turned 
him around weren't exactly highly guarded mysteries, they were widely available 
to anyone who cared to seek them out. 

I'm also still terribly confused what bearing being "brought up through the 
American system" of marathon r

[scifinoir2] Re: Harvard Offering Course on HBO Hit 'The Wire'

[B Smith]

Too true. Luckily Wendell Pierce gets to work on Simon's next series Treme. 
Dominic West, Lance Reddick and Idris Elba has landed on their feet as well. 

Unfortunately most of the other folks seem to be relegated to guest spots on 
various shows. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> That's true. I have only seen one or two on Law and Order.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> > And don't forget the cast.  The cast was phenomenal.  I loved "The Wire"
> > because it gave a score of good actors something meaty to do.  Chances are
> > none of them will ever have roles as good, again.
> >
> > ~rave!
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> > >
> > > My English teacher loved that show. We ended up watching parts of it in
> > my
> > > American lit class. It is a good show with some brilliant writing.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wow, high praise indeed!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "B Smith" 
> > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 2, 2009 12:29:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Harvard Offering Course on HBO Hit 'The Wire'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There is so much meat in The Wire I could easily see a course being
> > taught
> > > > about it.
> > > >
> > > > Keith,
> > > > Do yourself a favor and watch it. I loved Homicide but The Wire was a
> > > > better show and seeing it play out over five seasons is an incredible
> > > > experience. It seemingly starts out as a good guys-bad guys urban drama
> > but
> > > > Simon and Co. flip the script early on and you realize it's something
> > much
> > > > deeper. It's the story of an America city warts and all.
> > > >
> > > > I have the coplete series on dvd and I plan on watching it again from
> > > > Season 1. It's that good.
> > > >
> > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ,
> > Keith
> > > > Johnson  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Interesting. i've never seen "The Wire" (dropped HBO years ago),
> > though I
> > > > certainly love it's predecessor "Homicide: Life on the Streets", which
> > is
> > > > one of my fav TV series of all times. It's on my list of must-own
> > series on
> > > > DVD, along with Deep Space Nine.Â
> > > > >
> > > > > I wonder what's next: use DS9 or BSG to discuss matters of warfare,
> > how
> > > > governments lose their way in the name of protecting the people
> > (Section 31,
> > > > or the Starfleet clamp down on Earth during the Changeling scare).
> > Perhaps
> > > > discuss the nature of religious beliefs in shaping society (The
> > Prophets on
> > > > DS9)Â and justifying heinous acts (the God-fearing Cylons of BSG)?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Harvard Offering Course on HBO Hit 'The Wire'
> > > > >
> > > > > Date: Monday, November 02, 2009, 5:43 am
> > > > > By: EURweb.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Students at Harvard University will be able to learn more about
> > > > understanding and combating urban social issues through a new course
> > based
> > > > on HBO's critically-acclaimed series "The Wire," which followed the
> > > > struggles of urban life in Baltimore.
> > > > >
> > > > > â€Å"â€ËÅ"The Wire’ has done more 
> > > > > to enhance our
> > understanding of the
> > > > systemic urban inequality that constrains the lives of the poor than
> > any
> > > > published study� said sociology professor William J. 
> > > > Wilson,
> > according to
> > > > The Harvard Crimson newspaper.      Â
> > > > >
> > > > > African-American studies chair Professor Evelyn B. Higginbot

[scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[B Smith]

They weren't all exactly the same. The last Yu Law that was killed by Yu Law 
Prime (heh) was a extremely dangerous hardened criminal on his world but Good 
Yu Law was fairly milquetoast until he tapped into his powers. They only 
offered a few glimpses of other Yu Laws but they all appeared to be a bit 
different.

I imagine seeing a duplicate of yourself would be enough to throw most folks 
for a loop and it gave Yu Law Prime time to strike. He also wasn't bound by any 
honor code. He killed the other Yu Law with a gun from a distance and he only 
went heads up with the final Yu Law when it suited him. 


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I had problems with the idea of "the One." Every universe won't have the
> same guy with the same martial art skills etc. on that planet. There are so
> many variables that the variables themselves would be infinite as well. For
> example there could be a planet that has a look alike that is stronger and
> faster.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Was Seraph the messenger dude who fought Neo "so he could really know him"?
> > Not the biggest lost.
> >
> > "The One" is one of my fav scifi movies of recent years. It's not the
> > greatest, by any means, but it's fun, has some good action, and enough
> > intelligently written scifi to make it engaging. I have a couple of quibbles
> > with it, notably the concept that the number of parallel universes would be
> > finite, in the low hundreds. Realistically the multiverse would be infinite,
> > so Law would never be able to kill all of his alternate selves. But that's a
> > minor point. It's one of those scifi movies you can sit down and watch at
> > any time and enjoy it. But, given that the movie was written by Glenn Morgan
> > and James Wong--who worked on The X-Files, Millennium, Space: Above and
> > Beyond, among others--that's no surprise.
> > It's the kind of fun scifi we don't get enough of nowadays.
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "B Smith" 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 3:41:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> >
> >
> >
> > Supposedly Will was their Neo and Val Kilmer was Morpheus. Both ended up
> > bowing out of the film.
> >
> > I think Jet Li turned down the role of Seraph to do The One. I also read
> > that he was concerned that the amount of time needed to film both sequels
> > would cause other conflicts.
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey
> > de Morsella"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Rave:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I’m pretty sure Will Smith turned it down, just like Jet Li turned 
> > > down
> > a part in it. They wanted Smith first. At least that is how I remember Smith
> > and Jada telling it in interviews.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  [mailto:
> > scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> > Mr. Worf
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:36 AM
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At the time the Wochowski brothers were not well known and this was their
> > first big film. But I think if things were different it would have been
> > incredible. Aliah, Will Smith? Wow.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Augustus Augustus 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > but Rave, i thought the Will turned down Matrix because he was about 2 do
> > Wild Wild West? at least that is what he said when they interviewed him a
> > few years ago. he said that when the brothers tried 2 pitch him the role, he
> > was kind of up in the air about it, so he chose 2 do WWW because of the
> > director - whom had directed him in MIB - sodeberg (sp)
> > >
> > > Fate.
> > > p.s. on another tip, i would have loved 2 see col. war (my diff'rent
> > world reference) as han solo.
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Kelwyn  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Kelwyn 
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 6:59 AM
> > >
> > >

[scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[B Smith]

Unfortunately it's a pretty common scifi trope. Maybe a Yu Law existing was 
like one the fixed points in time in the Doctor Whoverse. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I agree. That is kind of what I was thinking about when I replied. The
> existence of life on this planet, and how humans evolved, etc. all
> contributed to you being here right now. Not to mention the random events
> that may have happened in your life to make you who you are.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Omari Confer wrote:
> 
> > You all assume that there would be an alternate you. The percentages of
> > genetic material traded during conception is a random concept. This supposed
> > theme assumes we as persnalities would be intact. We assume too much I
> > think...
> >
> > c w m
> > -
> > Keith Johnson wrote:
> >
> > I think the idea is that if you venture too far from the basic pattern--the
> > species, etc.--it's no longer "you". After all, the idea is parallel
> > universes--alternate realities. So, you could, in some universe, be a gay
> > cowboy running dilithium ore on a space barge, but the genetic makeup would
> > still be "you". If you were, say, a giant crab creature, it wouldn't be you,
> > it'd be someone else. The idea here is that the physical and mental selves
> > are just variations on a basic theme.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mr. Worf" 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 11:16:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Exactly! There could be so many other alternate versions. Would they still
> > be "you??" What if he went to an alternate universe and he was his
> > anti-matter self? Or instead of humans evolving from something similar to
> > apes, we were evolved from caterpillars or wolves?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't think every reality's Law was a skilled martial artist, just the
> > one with the good cop and the bad cop. The convict Law (the one who was
> > killed during a transfer) simply kicked in the bars of a cell because he was
> > supper strong.
> > As for your alternate selves being radically different from you, that's an
> > interesting point. Is part of that alternate reality a being that is similar
> > to you, e.g., a carbon-based, bipedal humanoid in all cases? Would a
> > mutipedal insectoid with a carapace still be you?
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@... >
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 9:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I had problems with the idea of "the One." Every universe won't have the
> > same guy with the same martial art skills etc. on that planet. There are so
> > many variables that the variables themselves would be infinite as well. For
> > example there could be a planet that has a look alike that is stronger and
> > faster.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Was Seraph the messenger dude who fought Neo "so he could really know him"?
> > Not the biggest lost.
> >
> > "The One" is one of my fav scifi movies of recent years. It's not the
> > greatest, by any means, but it's fun, has some good action, and enough
> > intelligently written scifi to make it engaging. I have a couple of quibbles
> > with it, notably the concept that the number of parallel universes would be
> > finite, in the low hundreds. Realistically the multiverse would be infinite,
> > so Law would never be able to kill all of his alternate selves. But that's a
> > minor point. It's one of those scifi movies you can sit down and watch at
> > any time and enjoy it. But, given that the movie was written by Glenn Morgan
> > and James Wong--who worked on The X-Files, Millennium, Space: Above and
> > Beyond, among others--that's no surprise.
> > It's the kind of fun scifi we don't get enough of nowaday

[scifinoir2] Re: Teen Titans: Blackest Night

[B Smith]

There are two different covers for issue 3. The one in the link was a bloodied 
Dove backed up against a wall with the Black Lanterns coming towards her. The 
Terra and the other dead Titans cover is the George Perez variant.

The covers you're referring are from issue 1 of the series and the other is the 
issue 3 variant Perez cover.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer  wrote:
>
> The two blackest night covers i saw had a dead blonde titan kissing Beast
> Boy and one with her hands up controlling rock..sounds like terra to me
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:52 PM, B Smith  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > It's Dove. Her former partner Hawk/Monarch/Extant becoming one of the Black
> > Lanterns is part of the storyline.
> >
> > Also Terra was a blonde and Dove has white/silver hair and the costume is
> > very different. The original Terra is also one of the Black Lanterns.
> >
> > Apparently there is a new Terra and she's a brunette with a different
> > origin and costume.
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Omari
> > Confer  wrote:
> > >
> > > I think that might be Terraand not Dove.
> > >
> > > c w m
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No, rave. That's a funny angle on her, making he rloook darker-skinned
> > than
> > > > she is. Dove is one pale little thang.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> > > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > From: ravenadal@
> >
> > > > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:08:46 +
> > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Teen Titans: Blackest Night
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't read "Teen Titans" (or any other comic, currently) so tell me
> > > > true - is the woman on the cover of this issue (link below) some kind
> > of
> > > > broke ass Storm?
> > > >
> > > > ~rave?
> > > >
> > > > http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/10/29/new-comics-10-28-09/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.<
> > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/>
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > clockworkman blog
> > > http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com
> > > STRING THEORY
> > > http://stringtheory.podbean.com
> > > Netflix Friends
> > > http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/P5Vr384ukvNnY78xUJOT
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> clockworkman blog
> http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com
> STRING THEORY
> http://stringtheory.podbean.com
> Netflix Friends
> http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/P5Vr384ukvNnY78xUJOT
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Harvard Offering Course on HBO Hit 'The Wire'

[B Smith]

Hearing the whistling of "The Farmer In The Dell" and seeing a figure in a 
trenchcoat, carrying a shotgun just come strolling into frame was epic.

"Omar coming!"


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
>
> Omar Devone Little, as played by Michael K. Williams, was a truly remarkable 
> character, unlike anything I have ever seen on television - before or since. 
> 
> ~rave! 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco  wrote:
> >
> > The character transformations over time are so good. Carver, Pryzbylewski, 
> > Herc, and Kima become so different from how they start out. It's really 
> > intense seeing the way the job and the reality change them. I loved 
> > watching Stringer trying to become something more and being unable to 
> > navigate the waters with different kinds of sharks. There's so many 
> > highlights in those shows. I loved Omar. God that character was so rich and 
> > deep.
> > 
> > Bosco
> > 
> > --- On Thu, 11/5/09, B Smith  wrote:
> > 
> > From: B Smith 
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Harvard Offering Course on HBO Hit 'The Wire'
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 11:36 AM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> >   
> >   One of my favorite moments is Season 3's episode when the Barksdales 
> > do something very stupid to Omar. I don't want to spoil it but let's just 
> > say that discussion about criminal mores and what is out of bounds is 
> > incredible. The rage at this violation has epic reprecussions down the line.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Keith Johnson  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Now i am excited! 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > - Original Message - 
> > 
> > > From: "Bosco Bosco"  
> > 
> > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
> > 
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2009 11:35:10 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > 
> > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Harvard Offering Course on HBO Hit 'The Wire' 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > >   
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Hey Keith 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Whatever you are doing right now at this moment, stop. Get up and go to a 
> > > video store and buy or rent the first season of the Wire. Watch it all 
> > > the way through, every episode. Then after you're sitting there fully 
> > > overstimulated with television which is better than everything else you 
> > > have seen to date, ponder on this thought. 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > The next four seasons only get better and better. 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > BEST TELEVISION SERIES EVER. You won't be sorry 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Bosco 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > From: Keith Johnson  
> > 
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Harvard Offering Course on HBO Hit 'The Wire' 
> > 
> > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
> > 
> > > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 10:39 AM 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > >   
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Interesting. i've never seen "The Wire" (dropped HBO years ago), though I 
> > > certainly love it's predecessor "Homicide: Life on the Streets", which is 
> > > one of my fav TV series of all times. It's on my list of must-own series 
> > > on DVD, along with Deep Space Nine.  
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > I wonder what's next: use DS9 or BSG to discuss matters of warfare, how 
> > > governments lose their way in the name of protecting the people (Section 
> > > 31, or the Starfleet clamp down on Earth during the Changeling scare). 
> > > Perhaps discuss the nature of religious beliefs in shaping society (The 
> > > Prophets on DS9) and just

[scifinoir2] Re: Harvard Offering Course on HBO Hit 'The Wire'

[B Smith]

Keith,
Here is a little taste of Season 1.

http://bit.ly/3SJFvy


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B Smith"  wrote:
>
> Hearing the whistling of "The Farmer In The Dell" and seeing a figure in a 
> trenchcoat, carrying a shotgun just come strolling into frame was epic.
> 
> "Omar coming!"
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
> >
> > Omar Devone Little, as played by Michael K. Williams, was a truly 
> > remarkable character, unlike anything I have ever seen on television - 
> > before or since. 
> > 
> > ~rave! 
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco  wrote:
> > >
> > > The character transformations over time are so good. Carver, 
> > > Pryzbylewski, Herc, and Kima become so different from how they start out. 
> > > It's really intense seeing the way the job and the reality change them. I 
> > > loved watching Stringer trying to become something more and being unable 
> > > to navigate the waters with different kinds of sharks. There's so many 
> > > highlights in those shows. I loved Omar. God that character was so rich 
> > > and deep.
> > > 
> > > Bosco
> > > 
> > > --- On Thu, 11/5/09, B Smith  wrote:
> > > 
> > > From: B Smith 
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Harvard Offering Course on HBO Hit 'The Wire'
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 11:36 AM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   One of my favorite moments is Season 3's episode when the 
> > > Barksdales do something very stupid to Omar. I don't want to spoil it but 
> > > let's just say that discussion about criminal mores and what is out of 
> > > bounds is incredible. The rage at this violation has epic reprecussions 
> > > down the line.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Keith Johnson  
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > >
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > Now i am excited! 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > - Original Message - 
> > > 
> > > > From: "Bosco Bosco"  
> > > 
> > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
> > > 
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2009 11:35:10 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada 
> > > > Eastern 
> > > 
> > > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Harvard Offering Course on HBO Hit 'The Wire' 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > >   
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > Hey Keith 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > Whatever you are doing right now at this moment, stop. Get up and go to 
> > > > a video store and buy or rent the first season of the Wire. Watch it 
> > > > all the way through, every episode. Then after you're sitting there 
> > > > fully overstimulated with television which is better than everything 
> > > > else you have seen to date, ponder on this thought. 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > The next four seasons only get better and better. 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > BEST TELEVISION SERIES EVER. You won't be sorry 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > Bosco 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > From: Keith Johnson  
> > > 
> > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Harvard Offering Course on HBO Hit 'The Wire' 
> > > 
> > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
> > > 
> > > > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 10:39 AM 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > >   
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> &g

[scifinoir2] Re: Study: Man-eating lions "only" consumed 35 people in 1898

[B Smith]

I wonder if some other male lions, lionesses, leopards and even hyeanas 
contributed to the numbers. I've read a couple of books about the incident and 
maneating was huge problem during that time period and several other big cats 
went rogue around the same time. 

The Tsavo males may have only gotten 35 people but the practice of dumping 
bodies and improperly burying workers may have contributed to the problem. The 
local predators started equating people with dinner.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "sincere1906"  wrote:
>
> For those who remember 1996's "Ghost in the Darkness."
> 
> Sin / BG
> 
> ---
> 
> Study: Man-eating lions only consumed 35 people in 1898
> 
> By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID, AP Science Writer 
> 
> WASHINGTON – The nightly attacks by two man-eating lions terrified railway 
> workers and brought construction to a halt in one of east Africa's most 
> notorious onslaughts more than a hundred years ago. But the death toll, 
> scientists now say, wasn't as high as previously thought.
> 
> Over nine months the two voracious hunters claimed 35 lives — no small 
> figure, but much less than some accounts of as many as 135 victims.
> 
> It was 1898, when laborers from India and local natives building the Uganda 
> Railroad across Kenya became the prey for the pair, a case that has been the 
> subject of numerous accounts and at least three movies.
> 
> The death toll had been estimated at 28 railway workers and "scores of 
> unfortunate African natives," with the total ranging as high as 135. Delay of 
> the railroad was even subject to debate in Britain's House of Commons.
> 
> Scientists hoping to figure out the actual number of people eaten decided to 
> study the remains of the two male lions, now on display at the Field Museum 
> of Natural History in Chicago, testing the types of carbon and nitrogen in 
> their teeth and hair.
> 
> Those chemical ratios were compared with the carbon and nitrogen found in 
> modern lions in the region, in lions' normal prey animals and in humans.
> 
> Bones and teeth store carbon and nitrogen isotopes over long periods, while 
> the ratios in hair change more rapidly, allowing the scientists to determine 
> the long-term diet and how it changed in the lions' last months.
> 
> Humans made up at least half of the diet of one of the lions in the last 
> months of his life, consuming at least 24 people, they concluded. The other 
> lion had eaten 11 people, they found.
> 
> In other words, even a century later, you are what you eat.
> 
> Researchers led by anthropologist Nathaniel J. Dominy and Justin D. Yeakel of 
> the University of California, Santa Cruz, report in Tuesday's edition of 
> Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
> 
> They noted that estimates of the death toll reported at the time ranged from 
> 28 reported by the Ugandan Railway Company, to 135, claimed by Lt. Col. John 
> H. Patterson, a British officer who killed the lions in December, 1898.
> 
> The researchers did note that their study covers only the number of people 
> eaten, while the number killed may have been higher. They said the death toll 
> may have been as high as 75.
> 
> The killings occurred at a time when drought and disease sharply reduced the 
> number of grazing animals that are the normal food for the lions, the report 
> added, while at the same time construction of the railway brought an 
> increased number of people into the area.
> 
> In addition, the researchers said the two lions seem to have cooperated in 
> their hunting efforts. That's not unusual when they are after large prey like 
> buffalo and zebra, but isn't necessary when after something smaller, like 
> people.
> 
> However, one of the lions had severe dental problems and a jaw injury, 
> probably limiting his ability to hunt, they reported. So the two may have 
> worked together, with one eating more people and the other concentrating more 
> heavily on other prey, but also eating humans.
> 
> "These findings underscore the complexity of what lions are capable of doing, 
> and the complex interplay of costs and benefits that determine the size of 
> their coalitions," Dominy said in a statement.
> 
> The research was funded by the Earthwatch Institute, the David and Lucille 
> Packard Foundation and the UC-Santa Cruz Committee on Research.
> 
> ___ 
> 
> On the Net: 
> 
> PNAS: http://www.pnas.org
>

[scifinoir2] Re: SGU Thoughts

[B Smith]

That was my take as well. Although the last scene leaves it in the air. Was 
that the case or is he just a real bastard and taking advantage of the 
situation?

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> I think Telford and Young’s wife were already getting it on.  That might be 
> why he is so hostile toward the colonel, aspecially since the wife knew Young 
> had  an affair with the medic.  He probably came to the door to find out why 
> she was sleeping with the husband when she was supposed to be with him.  
> Serious soap opera, huh?
> 
>  
> 
> What do you mean about Anderson eating? 
> 
>  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Keith Johnson
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:41 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] SGU Thoughts
> 
>  
> 
> And  Colonel Young having sex with his estranged wife while in the body of 
> Colonel Telford---huh? Now, while I get that Young would want to get with his 
> ex--she's gorgeous!--isn't it a bit weird to do it in the body of a guy he 
> clearly dislikes? And I don't know about you, but isn't a bit odd to think of 
> your wife *liking* another man's body making love to her? I'm pretty damn 
> sure that, once back on the ship, I'd be thinking about that, and I'd start 
> having real doubts about exactly *w ho* the wife was reacting to, you know? 
> And, as evidenced by Telford knocking on her door at the end of the show, I'd 
> be *real* concerned she might start liking his *body* regardless of whose 
> mind is in it!
> 
> And one last thing--what the hell has Richard Dean Anderson been eating in 
> the last couple of years??
>

[scifinoir2] Re: New Member introduction

[B Smith]

Welcome.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer  wrote:
>
> Howdy...
> 
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Patricia  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > I just signed up this morning and I am looking forward to the discussions.
> > At first glance this is an active group with diverse thoughts. BTW, yes I am
> > a writer but I promise not to take advantage of my membership with promos :)
> >
> > Thanks for having me!
> >
> > Pat Cromwell
> > http://www.patcromwell.com/
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> clockworkman blog
> http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com
> STRING THEORY
> http://stringtheory.podbean.com
> Netflix Friends
> http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/P5Vr384ukvNnY78xUJOT
>

Re:Re: [scifinoir2] Re: catching up on dollhouse

[B Smith]

I feel you but if they avoided some of the nasty bits and had everyone that 
uses the Dollhouse be like Patton Oswalt's character folks would grumble that 
Whedon was soft pedaling. 

I like the show but I would have rather had another season of The Sara Connor 
Chronicles. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
>
> I have seen every episode of the first season and the first couple of 
> episodes from this season and I agree with "this person" (of course, the 
> "this person" you are referring to could be me).  I came to both "Buffy" and 
> "Angel" late and I wanted to love "Dollhouse" - but I don't.  It annoys me 
> the way Republicans annoy me; the way born-again Christians annoy me; the way 
> born-again virgins annoy me because they all purport to be purer than they 
> are (while larceny lurks in their hearts).
> 
> ~(no)rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Leslee Freeman"  wrote:
> >
> > I agree. This person obviously doesnt watch the show, and has missed the 
> > point entirely. With all the true problems for women in this world, why do 
> > people like her feel they have to create one?
> > 
> > --
> > Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email
> > 
> > --Original Message--
> > From: Adrianne Brennan 
> > To: 
> > Date: Fri, Nov 6, 2009 06:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: catching up on dollhouse
> > 
> > It's not pretty, but it's heartbreakingly realistic. In a setup like the
> > Dollhouse, the first thing people would go for would be sex and most of the
> > people affected would be women.
> > 
> > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> > http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> > Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series:
> > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon
> > Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
> > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath
> > The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m):
> > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Tracey de Morsella <
> > tdlists@> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hey Bosco:
> > >
> > > I think the show has excellent writing, however I also think Rave view of
> > > the ongoing theme is dead on.  In fact, from my view, it’s a bit of a 
> > > turn
> > > off.  It's not loss of me that the aspect of the show that turns me off
> > > works for most guys.  I realize I am not in the target demographic, but I
> > > think this penchant to position the women on the show like this is one of
> > > the show's greatest weaknesses.  It would not bother me if it were
> > > occasionally.  But it is the episodes that do not play like this that are
> > > the anomaly.  Despite this move, they still can't get the ratings.
> > >
> > > I see the talent in the writing in the performances, but after viewing the
> > > episode list Rave just presented, can you blame him for his perspective?
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> > > Behalf Of Kelwyn
> > > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:48 AM
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: catching up on dollhouse
> > >
> > > Lessee...
> > >
> > > Echo is a "doll" who is sold to the highest bidder to fulfill their (often
> > > sexual) fantasies.
> > >
> > > In Episode 1 (actually Episode 2 but the first one shown) Echo is "the
> > > perfect date," both a prostitute (she sleeps with the client on 
> > > assignment)
> > > and the human prey of the same sadistic sicko (after he beds her he sets
> > > out
> > > to kill her - nice) - AND she is fully compliant because she is a
> > > programmed
> > > "doll" and not a fully functioning human being in control of her thoughts
> > > and actions.
> > >
> > > In Episode 2, she is a "video ho."
> > >
> > > In Episode 3, she is a "call girl/antiquities thief/lost little girl."
> > >
> > > In Episode 4, she is a "powerless and compliant cult member."
> > >
> > > Episode 8:(I personally found episode 8, where Victor is sent on a "lonely
> > > hearts" mission and the client turns out to be his "boss" extremely 
> > > creepy)
> > >
> > > SEASON TWO
> > >
> > > Episode 1, she is perfect "wifey" - a role she has played more than once.
> > >
> > > Episode 2, she is a hot "baby mama."
> > >
> > > Episode 3, she is the student "muse" to a college professor.
> > >
> > > And I haven't even mentioned the misogynistic symbolism of a character
> > > having her face razor sliced.
> > >
> > > At least Larry Flynt had the good grace to call the dolls he sold
> > > "polyvinyl
> > > perversity."
> > >
> > > ~(no)rave!
> > >
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You're about 180 degrees off the mark here and over simplifying in the
> > > extreme. It's unfortunate but hey if you wanna ignore amazing work from 
> > > one
> > > of the finest character development folks in the history of television,
> > > that's certainly your business. I'll

[scifinoir2] Re: Bombs, Cities Drop On Marvel Universe In New Siege Trailer

[B Smith]

I'm on the TBP and library plan but I stopped buying single issues a while 
back. 

The digital comics(and books) don't do it for me. I just don't get the same 
enjoyment reading them on the computer vs. having the actual book in hand.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> yeah, man, I still budget for comics, even in my unemployed moments. Indeed, 
> looking at my bills recently, I told my wife that my indulgences are actually 
> very few. Aside from eating out a couple days a week, typically it's comics, 
> and the occasional paperback book I buy. Most of the money goes for gas, 
> groceries, and bills. 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2"  
> Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2009 3:40:05 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Bombs, Cities Drop On Marvel Universe In New Siege 
> Trailer 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Are there still comic books out there? It's been so very long... 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: keithbjohn...@... 
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 05:57:48 + 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Bombs, Cities Drop On Marvel Universe In New Siege 
> Trailer 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I saw an ad for this in my recent issue of "Secret Warriors", and can't wait. 
> I'm enjoying the whole "Dark" storyline as Osborne and his cronies rule the 
> country. Good stuff. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2"  
> Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2009 6:09:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Bombs, Cities Drop On Marvel Universe In New Siege 
> Trailer 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thought that a few of you might be interested... 
> 
> http://io9.com/5399022/bombs-cities-drop-on-marvel-universe-in-new-siege-trailer
>  
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>

[scifinoir2] Re: Teacher Claims Fingerprinting Is ‘Mark of the Beast’

[B Smith]

Supposedly the original number in the early texts may have been 616 but it was 
changed to the more commonly accepted 666 a century or so later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> How is it 616 instead of 666? 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2"  
> Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2009 3:43:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Teacher Claims Fingerprinting Is ‘Mark of the 
> Beast’ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Meaning that we've been giving kids too-close haircuts for all these 
> centuries, looking for that cluster of 6s. Someone with a 616 up top got away 
> clean, and might be in position to end it all for us... 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: keithbjohn...@... 
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 05:26:23 + 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Teacher Claims Fingerprinting Is ‘Mark of the 
> Beast’ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> How's that? 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2"  
> Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2009 3:52:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Teacher Claims Fingerprinting Is ‘Mark of the 
> Beast’ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I agree with you, Keith. After all, up until a couple of years ago, we were 
> all certain that the Number of the Beast was 666, only to learn that we'd all 
> been aiming 50 points too high. Sucker may have gotten past us... 
> 
> Martin (wondering if anyone's ever seen the crown of Shotgun Cheney's head) 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: keithbjohn...@... 
> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:17:03 + 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Teacher Claims Fingerprinting Is ‘Mark of the 
> Beast’ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Well, I agree it's admirable to stand up for what is right, but using the 
> Christian Bible as a source can be tricky, and I say that as a Christian. 
> Like many things, it's open to interpretation. Like I said, she has no real 
> way of knowing that fingerprinting is the Mark of the Beast, and therefore 
> her stance is likely wrong. And then the problem is she can expand that 
> belief to include how she judges and deals with others, resulting in a 
> worldview and practices based on a misinterpretation of a book that's already 
> been pieced together, translated, and edited by men who had their own 
> particular views. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: wlro...@... 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, November 6, 2009 3:46:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Teacher Claims Fingerprinting Is ‘Mark of the 
> Beast’ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You have to admire a person that stands up for what they believe is right in 
> the bible. I am kind of torn but respect her beliefs. 
> --Lavender 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Mr. Worf 
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 3:33 AM 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Teacher Claims Fingerprinting Is ‘Mark of the 
> Beast’ 
> 
> Teacher Claims Fingerprinting Is ‘Mark of the Beast’ 
> 
> 
> 
> • By David Kravets Email Author
> • November 5, 2009 | 
> • 6:28 pm | 
> • Categories: Identification , Surveillance , politics 
> • 
> picture-38A 22-year veteran kindergarten teacher in the Texas Bible Belt 
> could lose her job for refusing, on religious grounds, to give fingerprints 
> under a state law requiring them. 
> The evangelical Christian, Pam McLaurin, is fighting a looming suspension, 
> claiming that fingerprinting amounts to the “ Mark of the Beast ,” and 
> hence is a violation of her First Amendment right to practice her religion . 
> Her case is similar to a lawsuit by a group of Michigan farmers , some of 
> them Amish, challenging rules requiring the tagging of livestock with RFID 
> chips, saying the devices are also the devil’s mark. 
> The latest case is the first in which a teacher is refusing fingerprinting on 
> religious grounds, the woman’s lawyer said. The U.S. Supreme Court has yet 
> to decide whether the First Amendment is implicated in fingerprinting, 
> especially at a time when states, local governments and civic organizations 
> are increasingly making them mandatory for anyone wanting to drive a car or 
> coach a youth basketball team. 
> McLaurin’s lawsuit against the Texas Education Agency cites various 
> passages of Revelation , the final book of The Bible : 
> 
> 
> He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to 
> receive a mark on their right hand and on their foreheads, and that no one

[scifinoir2] Re: catching up on dollhouse

[B Smith]

>From what's been implied other Dollhouses do engage in just that sort of thing.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
>
> But that is my point.  The Dollhouse would be an extremely expensive place to 
> maintain so they would require clients with deeper pockets than the ones I 
> recall from the first season.  Their clients WOULD be conglomerates and 
> governments - not thrill seekers and guys who could get the same bang for 
> their buck at the "Bunny Ranch."
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
> >
> > It would be extremely expensive to maintain such a place.  Who else other 
> > than the rich, conglomerates and governments could afford such services?
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Kelwyn
> > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:46 PM
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re:Re: [scifinoir2] Re: catching up on dollhouse
> > 
> > One of my pet peeves with the show is with all the money, clout and 
> > resources behind the Dollhouse, why do they have such a penny ante client 
> > list?  Why aren't these dolls used to undermine multi-million dollar 
> > corporations and to effect regime change?  Also, how much money could there 
> > be guarding pop stars from stalkers and posing as someone's fantasy wife?
> > 
> > ~(no)rave!
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B Smith"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I feel you but if they avoided some of the nasty bits and had everyone 
> > > that uses the Dollhouse be like Patton Oswalt's character folks would 
> > > grumble that Whedon was soft pedaling. 
> > > 
> > > I like the show but I would have rather had another season of The Sara 
> > > Connor Chronicles. 
> > > 
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have seen every episode of the first season and the first couple of 
> > > > episodes from this season and I agree with "this person" (of course, 
> > > > the "this person" you are referring to could be me).  I came to both 
> > > > "Buffy" and "Angel" late and I wanted to love "Dollhouse" - but I 
> > > > don't.  It annoys me the way Republicans annoy me; the way born-again 
> > > > Christians annoy me; the way born-again virgins annoy me because they 
> > > > all purport to be purer than they are (while larceny lurks in their 
> > > > hearts).
> > > > 
> > > > ~(no)rave!
> > > > 
> > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Leslee Freeman"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree. This person obviously doesnt watch the show, and has missed 
> > > > > the point entirely. With all the true problems for women in this 
> > > > > world, why do people like her feel they have to create one?
> > > > > 
> > > > > --
> > > > > Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email
> > > > > 
> > > > > --Original Message--
> > > > > From: Adrianne Brennan 
> > > > > To: 
> > > > > Date: Fri, Nov 6, 2009 06:14 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: catching up on dollhouse
> > > > > 
> > > > > It's not pretty, but it's heartbreakingly realistic. In a setup like 
> > > > > the
> > > > > Dollhouse, the first thing people would go for would be sex and most 
> > > > > of the
> > > > > people affected would be women.
> > > > > 
> > > > > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> > > > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> > > > > Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series:
> > > > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon
> > > > > Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
> > > > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath
> > > > > The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m):
> > > > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Tracey de Morsella <
> > > > > tdlists@> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Hey Bosco:
> >

[scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse

[B Smith]

The Book of Eli should be out early next year.

Lucifer's Hammer is awesome and should be on the list.

I have a confession: I don't like Y: The Last Man. It's well written and has a 
great premise but it never hooked me.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
>
> I can't believe I have never read John Wyndham's "The Day of the Triffids" 
> (#4).  I will have to rectify that situation.
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > These are some good choices. They did a remake of the Road and it is coming
> > in a couple of months. I saw the commercial for it already. Hey! What
> > happened to that Densel Washington movie?
> > 
> > Also, I think there is a Day of the Trifids remake due as well.
> > 
> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> > 
> > > http://woyita.notlong.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
> > > Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> > Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse

[B Smith]

As I said in another post I'm not a fan but it's very good.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> But number six is the movie "Testament"! At last! How many times have I 
> crowed right here about what a beautiful, poignant film that is. I think i 
> just posted about it in the last few weeks. "Testament" is often lost amidst 
> the memories of the showier, and far less resonant TV miniseries "The Day 
> After". That last is still very good, and has some frightening scenes of 
> nuclear winter--Carl Sagan was an advisor after all. But "Testament" has a 
> much closer-to-home human impact that's far more devastating. 
> I've never read "Y: the Last Man". Should I? 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2"  
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:43:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> How "Children of Men" falls so far down on that list is beyond me... that 
> Emmerich dreck should be holding up the bottom, IMO. 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: ravena...@... 
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:30:25 + 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://woyita.notlong.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[scifinoir2] Re: New V series- second episode -language

[B Smith]

Hindi perhaps? ;)

Bollywood movies are one form of geekdom that will never be on my plate. I have 
a switch in my brain that turns on during musical numbers and I'm completely 
taken out of the experience. 

I hate the fear of subtitles. Movies like REC, Ju-on(The Grudge), Kairo(Pulse), 
La Femme Nikita and tons of others have inferior Americam remakes because 
people don't like subtitles. The Ring and The Departed are recent exceptions 
but even they are not better than the originals.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I agree with that. People get stuck on stupid when it comes to subtitles.
> Crouching tiger, hidden dragon did much better in the theater after they
> came out with the dubbed version for example. Unfortunately, a lot of great
> films have subtitles.
> 
> Has anyone watched any Bollywood movies? They suffer from really bad
> subtitle work. The actors often speak in 70% Farsi and 30% English. Often
> you can hear the dialog in English before the subtitles are printed on the
> screen and they are often wrong.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > This is America we're talking about. Most of my friends--some ardent
> > moviegoers--avoid subtitles like the plague!
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Martin Baxter" 
> > To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:31:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New V series- second episode -language
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm with you, Sin. Up against the cost of the FX, how much more can simple
> > subtitles set you back?
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > From: sincere1...@...
> > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:05:10 +
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] New V series- second episode -language
> >
> >
> >  One question- (this was a pet peeve of mine from the original)... why
> > don't the Visitors ever speak their own language even when they're among
> > themselves? I'd take just a few verses of Parseltongue. Anything. Go a long
> > way in creating authenticity. I thought they'd correct that seeming faux pas
> > in the re-make.
> >
> > Sin / BG
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it
> > now.
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse

[B Smith]

I was referring to Y: The Last Man.

I've never seen Testament but I've heard it's heartbreaking. I remember the 
furor The Day After caused. A lot of folks wouldn't let their kids watch it and 
some affiliates didn't want to air it.

Have you ever seen Threads? It's a BBC movie from around the same time about a 
nuclear attack on England. I've never seen it but I hear it's very good but 
bleak as hell.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Not a fan of "Testament"? Why is that? What about "The Day After"?  And 
> curious, isn't it, that Emerich's disaster flick was titled "The Day After 
> Tomorrow"? 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "B Smith"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:22:24 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> As I said in another post I'm not a fan but it's very good. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > But number six is the movie "Testament"! At last! How many times have I 
> > crowed right here about what a beautiful, poignant film that is. I think i 
> > just posted about it in the last few weeks. "Testament" is often lost 
> > amidst the memories of the showier, and far less resonant TV miniseries 
> > "The Day After". That last is still very good, and has some frightening 
> > scenes of nuclear winter--Carl Sagan was an advisor after all. But 
> > "Testament" has a much closer-to-home human impact that's far more 
> > devastating. 
> > I've never read "Y: the Last Man". Should I? 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Martin Baxter"  
> > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:43:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > How "Children of Men" falls so far down on that list is beyond me... that 
> > Emmerich dreck should be holding up the bottom, IMO. 
> > 
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > From: ravenadal@ 
> > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:30:25 + 
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://woyita.notlong.com 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up 
> > now. 
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Did anyone watch the "Escape from City 17" trailer?

[B Smith]

Cool. I'll have to watch that when I get home.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I posted this about a week ago. Did anyone see it? What did you think?
> 
> Here is the website:
> http://www.purchasebrothers.com/Purchase-Brothers-v2-hl.html
> 
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[scifinoir2] Re: Dollhouse' axed

[B Smith]

The sad thing is whatever replaces it on Friday will probably pull in roughly 
the same ratings. 

Leave it to Fox. They'll probably move Fringe to Dollhouse's time slot and 
finish the job they started.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Wow... I had the feeling that they were going to axe it. Fox always kills
> shows when they are starting to pick up a loyal audience.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Tracey de Morsella <
> tdli...@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >  This just in: 'Dollhouse' 
> > axed
> >
> >
> >
> > This has been a busy week for cancellations. The latest addition to the TV
> > graveyard: *Dollhouse*.
> >
> > According to multiple insiders, Fox has informed Joss Whedon that it will
> > not be ordering additional installments of his low-rated drama beyond the
> > current 13-episode order. On the bright side, the network still plans to 
> > burn
> > off the remaining unaired 
> > episodesbeginning
> >  in December. Hey, it’s something.
> >
> > *Dollhouse* has been averaging a mere 3 million viewers this season. Last
> > season â€" when fan support, together with significant budget cuts, helped 
> > it
> > to get an odds-defying second-year pickup â€" the show averaged 4.7 million.
> >
> > Bottom line: *Dollhouse* is lucky it ever saw a second season. Remember
> > that when you’re posting your eulogies below.
> >
> > *UPDATE: *Whedon just posted the following statement on 
> > Whedonesque.com:
> > “I don’t have a lot to say. I’m extremely proud of the people I’ve 
> > worked
> > with: my star, my staff, my cast, my crew. I feel the show is getting better
> > pretty much every week, and I think you’ll agree in the coming months. 
> > I’m
> > grateful that we got to put it on, and then come back and put it on again.
> > I’m off to pursue Internet ventures/binge drinking. Possibly that 
> > relaxation
> > thing I’ve read so much about. By the time the last episode airs, you’ll
> > know what my next project is. But for now, there’s a lot of work still to 
> > be
> > done, and disappointment to bear. Thank you all for your support, your
> > patience, your excellent adverts. See you again.”
> >
> >
> >
> > Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer
> >
> > The Green Economy Post
> >
> > http://greeneconomypost.com
> >
> > tra...@...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
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>

[scifinoir2] Re: O/t M$ Bans 600,000+ Xbox Live Users For Modding

[B Smith]

I'd rather they ban all the racists and other jackasses that populate Xbox 
Live. I don't play co-op games but my wife and some friends do and they are 
routinely harrassed by these idiots. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer  wrote:
>
> Tough love.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Bans+60+Xbox+Live+Users+For+Modding/article16795.htm
> >
> >
> > Microsoft is serious about stamping out Xbox 
> > modding.
> > Modding involves using hardware or software hacks to circumvent the
> > protection technology on a video game 
> > console.
> > Modding has some morally ambiguous uses -- such as installing an alternative
> > OS, or playing games/DVDs from outside your zone (both practices are
> > technically illegal according to some sources and/or violate you EULA).
> > However, one less morally ambiguous cause for modding is to allow pirated
> > games to play just like legally purchased discs.
> >
> > The console makers, including 
> > Microsoft,
> > have pushed for international legislation banning modding, which they say is
> > driving piracy.  The results were showcased in the recent arrest of a Cal
> > State student by federal agents.  The student had been making and selling
> > modded Xboxes, a crime that could earn him 10 years in 
> > prisonaccording
> >  to authorities.
> >
> > While Microsoft obviously cannot pursue that kind of legal action against
> > every owner of a modded Xbox, it has just taken a sweeping step to try to
> > punish those who mod.  It has just issued a large set of bans disconnecting,
> > according to  *BBC News
> > *, over 600,000 Xbox 360 users from Xbox Live, the company's popular online
> > gaming 
> > service.
> > With approximately 20 million current Xbox Live subscribers, this represents
> > as much as a 3 percent cut to Microsoft's total online gaming population.
> >
> > A statement released from Microsoft reiterated that modding "violates" the
> > console's "terms of use" and that the result will be terminated service.
> > Writes the company, "All consumers should know that piracy is illegal and
> > that modifying their Xbox 360 
> > consoleto
> >  play pirated discs violates the Xbox Live terms of use, will void their
> > warranty and result in a ban from Xbox Live.  The health of the video game
> > businessdepends
> >  on customers paying for the genuine products and services they
> > receive from manufacturers, retailers, and the third parties that support
> > them."
> >
> > Banned users can play games offline as if nothing happened.  However, when
> > they try to log into their Xbox Live account, they now receive a message
> > stating, "Your console has been banned from Xbox."
> >
> > Microsoft was tight lipped about how many users were cut off from the
> > popular gaming service or how it identified them.  A spokesperson merely
> > commented, "We do not reveal specifics, but can say that all consoles have
> > been verified to have violated the terms of use."
> >
> > Recently, Microsoft has been working hard to keep a tighter grip on its
> > Xbox revenue stream, following in the example of Apple, Inc. and others.
> > Its new update reportedly will lock out third party storage 
> > solutionsfrom
> >  the console.  Third party storage typically retails for much less that
> > Microsoft's offerings.  By locking out its competitors, Microsoft likely is
> > hoping to tack on more earnings to its already substantial stream from the
> > Xbox.
> >  --
> >
> >
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[scifinoir2] Re: Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role

[B Smith]

Regina Taylor would have been a good Amanda too. I do agree that since the 
Justice League cartoon I hear CCH Pounder everytime Amanda Waller appears.

I think Pam will be just fine. This is actually making me interested in 
watching Smallville.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Bates and Bassett can do anything they want, they're so good. Same for Dame 
> Judi Dench. 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "bruce harden"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:08:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> i could see angela bassset my favorite your ass is done punk  ladies.. Not 
> black but kathy bates can get treacherous when she wantstoo 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: 
> 
> 
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>   
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> 
> 
> 
> Yeah she was good in that, indeed! Wonder why they couldn't find a sister 
> closer in skin color to Waller, who's pretty dark? Lorraine Toussaint is a 
> very good actress. 
> 
> Speaking of Waller, did you ever see that "Justice League United" ep where 
> she and Batman of the future (the young man from "Batman Beyond") had a 
> discussion? It takes place about 40 - 50 years in our future. Waller 
> confesses to her role in trying to create the new Batman for that time. What 
> she did (I won't spoil it for you if you haven't seen it) was mind boggling. 
> And prior to that, I loved her complicity in the long running battle of parts 
> of the government against the JL, and how she then joined the League when she 
> realized they were less dangerous than her former ally, Luthor. 
> 
> Complicated woman. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "bruce harden" < bhsleepystude...@... > 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:05:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> yeah but when it comes to being large and in charge . nobody does it lie pam 
> grier. remember law an order svu when she was part of the  federal porno 
> investigators? no one in my my memory has ever locked stablers heels like 
> her. 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: 
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>   
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> 
> 
> Grier is built *nothing* like Waller! They need somebody like the fat Michael 
> Clarke Duncan! 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter" < truthseeker...@... > 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:16:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hot and evil... now that's what I'm talkin' about! 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: ravena...@... 
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:57:39 + 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> http://aikairi.notlong.com 
> 
> LOS ANGELES, Nov. 9 (UPI) -- U.S. actress Pam Grier has signed on to play 
> evil Agent Amanda Waller on TV's "Smallville," sources told TVGuide.com. 
> 
> Grier, 60, was most recently a cast member on the Showtime series "The L 
> Word." 
> 
> Her film credits include "Jackie Brown," "Escape from L.A.," "Foxy Brown," 
> "Fort Apache the Bronx" and "Something Wicked This Way Comes." 
> 
> TVGuide.com said the actress is expected to appear in multiple episodes of 
> "Smallville," starting in January. 
> 
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> 
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> 
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[scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse

[B Smith]

Maybe Niven and Pournelle should do what F. Paul Wilson did. They were 
releasing new editions of some of his books so he partially rewrote them to 
freshen them up for today's audience. I hate that it takes that sort of thing 
to hook today's reader but sometimes extreme measures need to be taken.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> B, that's that ageism showing again. Kids who aren't versed enough to 
> contribute fully on the subject trying to do so anyway.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: daikaij...@...
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:10:38 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse
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> Lucifer's Hammer is awesome and should be on the list.
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> 
> I have a confession: I don't like Y: The Last Man. It's well written and has 
> a great premise but it never hooked me.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > I can't believe I have never read John Wyndham's "The Day of the Triffids" 
> > (#4).  I will have to rectify that situation.
> 
> > 
> 
> > ~rave!
> 
> > 
> 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> 
> > >
> 
> > > These are some good choices. They did a remake of the Road and it is 
> > > coming
> 
> > > in a couple of months. I saw the commercial for it already. Hey! What
> 
> > > happened to that Densel Washington movie?
> 
> > > 
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> > > Also, I think there is a Day of the Trifids remake due as well.
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> > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:
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[scifinoir2] Re: Hello

[B Smith]

Welcome to the group.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
> Hello Shadaneca. welcomed to a great group.
> --Lavender
> 
> --
> From: "shadaneca" 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:32 AM
> To: 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Hello
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> > Hi I'm new. Just wanted to say hey!
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[scifinoir2] Re: "2012" Review from the AP - No Spoilers (as if that matters)

[B Smith]

I love The Day After Tomorrow in spite of myself but 10,000 B.C. really sucked. 
I'm not going to even mention G.I.N.O.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
>
> Funny.  They are playing 10,000 B.C. to death on pay television - hard to 
> channel surf without running into it - and I begrudgingly admit - blue-eyed 
> heroines and white people with dreads aside - I enjoyed the over-the-top 
> spectacle of it. 
> 
> For park your brain, visceral entertainment, I also enjoyed Emmerich's hokey 
> "Independence Day" and the science challenged "Day After Tomorrow."
> 
> The mommy dearest, gender bending version of "Godzilla"(?) - not so much.
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry  
> wrote:
> >
> > I have no interest in seeing this mess.
> > 
> > 10,000 BC completed sealed the deal on this hack.
> > 
> > I'd rather watch a "how to build a home fire-escape" plan on access public 
> > cable.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Keith Johnson 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 11:19:16 AM
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] "2012" Review from the AP - No Spoilers (as if that 
> > matters)
> > 
> >   
> > Man, I suspect this review is better than the movie! There are lots of 
> > funny one-liners in the review that had me laughing out loud. Danny Glover 
> > standing in for Morgan Freeman to play the Prez? The star's ex-wife's new 
> > rich boyfriend not long for this world, and we're expected to hate him 
> > because he drives a Porsche? Neutrinos, "that old action movie villain"? 
> > Hilarious!
> >  
> > After Independence Day--arguably Emerich's best film--i was pretty much 
> > done with him. I like mindless action flicks as much as the next person, 
> > but nothing in his later work has made me want to shell out the ducats to 
> > see them--not even the thought of seeing good FX on the big screen. Sounds 
> > as if this flick is more of the same, with good actors in a CGI/FX-fest 
> > that's just silly. Does Emerich's stuff at least rise to the level of the 
> > cheesy disaster flicks of the Irwin Allen days: Towering Inferno, The 
> > Poseidon Adventure, Earthquake, etc?
> >  
> > And by the way, the reviewer says that solar explosions result in a surge 
> > of neutrinos which heat up the Earth's core, leading to disaster.  I hope 
> > that's just him getting it wrong. I really hope Emerich didn't spend all 
> > that dough on a movie, and miss something as basic as the fact that 
> > neutrinos pretty much don't interact with matter in a meaningful way. I 
> > mean, trillions have passed through me in the time it's taken to write 
> > this, and my core hasn't overheated. There's simply no known way for 
> > neutrinos to do what he's contending. Why not just go with sunspots and 
> > massive solar flares as the cause of the Apocalypse?
> >  
> >  
> >  * * * ***
> >  
> > Review: The end not soon enough for '2012'
> > By JAKE COYLE 
> > 
> > The Associated Press 
> > 
> > This, too, is the micro-level drama of "2012," the latest nihilistic 
> > disaster flick to revel in the destruction of the planet. John Cusack plays 
> > the castoff father (Jackson Curtis), a failed novelist getting by as a limo 
> > driver. We greet him as he rolls out of bed, spilling his copy of "Moby 
> > Dick" as he rushes out the door, disheveled and late for a camping trip 
> > with his kids.
> > 
> > His ex-wife, Kate (Amanda Peet), has shacked up with a plastic surgeon 
> > named Gordon Silberman (Tom McCarthy) who drives a Porsche, an obvious clue 
> > that we're not meant to like him.
> > When the apocalypse comes, Gordon, for a time, proves quite useful as an 
> > amateur pilot. But it's no spoiler to say Gordon is not long for this world 
> > â€" after all, he stands in the way of Jackson's redemption.
> >  
> > The Curtis family may be our ground-level protagonists in "2012," but the 
> > ground is shifting. Due to explosions on the sun, neutrinos (that old 
> > action movie villain) are heating up the earth's core and will soon 
> > destabilize the planet's crust, birthing volcanoes and shifting tectonics.
> > Hip to this development is government scientist Adrian Helmsley, played by 
> > the exceptional Chiwetel Ejiofor, whose gravity â€" best seen in 2002's 
> > "Dirty Pretty Things" â€" elevates "2012." He alerts the president's chief 
> > of staff, Carl Anheuser (Oliver Platt), who quickly brings Helmsley to the 
> > president (Danny Glover, apparently filling in for Morgan Freeman).
> >  
> > The government secretly establishes what Anheuser calls "the most important 
> > timetable in the history of mankind" â€" a schedule for the most important 
> > and most wealthy to be evacuated in confidential arks.
> > Curtis catches wind of the conspiracy theories of a loony radio DJ (Woody 
> > Harrelson, perfectly cast to type). Thus, he and his family are just 
> > mom

[scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse

[B Smith]

Me too but unfortunately there is a market for this sort of thing. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> The mere *thought* of that disgusts me, B. No one jazzed up the classics for 
> me. I used my brain and enjoyed the difference of culture that it posited. 
> THAT, IMO, is the essence of learning.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: daikaij...@...
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:18:12 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse
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> releasing new editions of some of his books so he partially rewrote them to 
> freshen them up for today's audience. I hate that it takes that sort of thing 
> to hook today's reader but sometimes extreme measures need to be taken.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > 
> 
> > B, that's that ageism showing again. Kids who aren't versed enough to 
> > contribute fully on the subject trying to do so anyway.
> 
> > 
> 
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> > 
> 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
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> > 
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> > 
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> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> > From: daikaiju66@
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> > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:10:38 +
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> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse
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> > I have a confession: I don't like Y: The Last Man. It's well written and 
> > has a great premise but it never hooked me.
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> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
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> > > I can't believe I have never read John Wyndham's "The Day of the 
> > > Triffids" (#4).  I will have to rectify that situation.
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> > > ~rave!
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> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
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> > > > These are some good choices. They did a remake of the Road and it is 
> > > > coming
> 
> > 
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> > > > in a couple of months. I saw the commercial for it already. Hey! What
> 
> > 
> 
> > > > happened to that Densel Washington movie?
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> > > > Also, I think there is a Day of the Trifids remake due as well.
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> > > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:
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[scifinoir2] Re: Fan Boy Dip Tard

[B Smith]

At least you didn't ask him to do the chess scene. 

Good for you. I always act weird when I meet someone I admire as well. I tend 
to play it a bit too cool and come off as aloof. Though it did nearly get me a 
date with a member of girl group from the 80s once. LOL

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco  wrote:
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> I found it kind of horrifying. I am not really that kind of guy generally. I 
> mean really. I've met lots and lots of famous people. I've worked in the 
> music business with many people who either were or became very famous. I've 
> never ever been like that. It was odd.
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> B
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> --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Kelwyn  wrote:
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> From: Kelwyn 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Fan Boy Dip Tard
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
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> > Yep I am talking about me. I work in a large book store in Austin. We're 
> > very well known. Austin gets a lot of celebrities because we have pretty 
> > good professional film and music industry going here. I've had a lot of 
> > famous people in my line over the years. I've met Dan Rather, Owen Wilson, 
> > Luke Wilson, Matthew McConaughey, Madeline Albright, Ozzy Osbourne, Willie 
> > Nelson, Roky Erickson and Rick Riordan among many others over the years. 
> > I've never ever been star struck, until last Tuesday.
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> > in my line was Larry Gilliard, Jr otherwise known as, D'Angelo Barksdale. 
> > After my jaw hit the floor, I verified it was in fact him and managed to 
> > offer up some kind of lame compliment. All the while, I felt like my brain 
> > was a worn out scratchy old vinyl record constantly skipping at the same 
> > point. I was a like a drooly adolescent fan boy. I was so goofy, I felt 
> > embarrassed for about an hour afterwards but even that could not nearly 
> > diminish the excitement I felt. I was 100% stoked and grinning for the rest 
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[scifinoir2] Re: Ex-congressman gets 13 years in freezer cash case - Yahoo! News

[B Smith]

Jefferson is a perfect example of how tenure and power corrupt. He was a good 
rep for his district and then he let the money get to him.

Martin,
Louisiana's insurance regulations are incredibly lax and nearly every 
commissioner leaves office in handcuffs. They are quaking in their boots at the 
thought of more Federal oversight and regulations. Jefferson probably would 
have been feeding from the trough much like Landrieu and the rest of 
Louisiana's congressional delegation.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
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> still been in office, might have voted against the recent health-care reform 
> bill. His replacement, a Republican, Ahn "Joseph" Cao, basically surprised 
> the Cosmos by voting FOR it.
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> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@...
> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:50:30 -0800
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[scifinoir2] Re: Ex-congressman gets 13 years in freezer cash case - Yahoo! News

[B Smith]

They are there too.

Strangely the most overtly politically corrupt state I lived in was Illinois. 
They had to pass the Ruan laws because patronage was so ingrained in the 
state's hiring processes. Of course the laws are only window dressing but they 
exist. 

You practically had to know a state senator to get a janitorial job.  I 
actually saw that happen when we had our offices in a state office building. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
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> I guess the difference between Louisiana and New Jersey is that you know
> Jersey has the mafia and you can blame them for the corruption. Louisiana is
> just as corrupt without the "mob" bosses.
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> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Martin Baxter
> wrote:
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> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
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> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
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> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > From: daikaij...@...
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> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Ex-congressman gets 13 years in freezer cash case
> > - Yahoo! News
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> >  Jefferson is a perfect example of how tenure and power corrupt. He was a
> > good rep for his district and then he let the money get to him.
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> > Louisiana's insurance regulations are incredibly lax and nearly every
> > commissioner leaves office in handcuffs. They are quaking in their boots at
> > the thought of more Federal oversight and regulations. Jefferson probably
> > would have been feeding from the trough much like Landrieu and the rest of
> > Louisiana's congressional delegation.
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter 
> > wrote:
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> > > And the irony of this is that, if I have my sources right, Jefferson, had
> > he still been in office, might have voted against the recent health-care
> > reform bill. His replacement, a Republican, Ahn "Joseph" Cao, basically
> > surprised the Cosmos by voting FOR it.
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> > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
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> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
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> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
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[scifinoir2] Re: Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year

[B Smith]

Sci-fi writers John Scalzi and Tobias Buckell have written about this as well. 
They are successful but a year like Buckell's(birth of a child and a sudden 
illness) can throw anyone into a tailspin.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
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> writing is a labor of love, and love will leave you starving many a day. 
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> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: char...@...
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[scifinoir2] Re: Burn Notice's Jeffrey Donovon on "Homicide: Life on the Street"

[B Smith]

I've got to get my spare dvr set up to record these.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
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> I have been DVRing "Homicide: Life on the Street" reruns on the CENTRIC 
> network.  Imagine my delight when I spied "Burn Notice"'s Jeffrey Donovon 
> essaying as a red neck thrill killer in a 1995 episode
> titled "Thrill of the Kill"!  Not only that but he does a Burn Notice-esque 
> voice-over as he travels the interstate blowing away people with a shotgun. 
> 
> ~rave!
>

[scifinoir2] Re: THE WIRE - 100 Greatest Quotes

[B Smith]

Awesome. I need to push up my rewatch schedule.

"A man's got to have a code."

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
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> If you love THE WIRE like I love THE WIRE.
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sgj78QG9Bg
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[scifinoir2] Re: Thanksgiving Dinner

[B Smith]

The list reminds me of the big holiday bashes when my grandparents and mother 
were still with us. I swear one of my aunts built a damned Tupperware set piece 
by piece. Good times.

My sister holds court over the divine madness that is Thanksgiving and 
Christmas now but we won't be able to make it home this year since my wife just 
started a new job. I'll have to ask her to FedEx me some seafood dressing and a 
couple of stuffed peppers. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
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> Have fun! I always go home to Texas for Christmas (my fav holiday) so I get 
> the family thing then. Hard now that both parents are gone, and my two older 
> brothers don't travel around and visit family like I do. So I usually spend 
> all day at my older brother's, and it's him, my wife, me, and my other 
> brother and his S.O. Later I slip out and find the aunt where the rest of my 
> relatives congregate, and just lose myself in the family mayhem. Then it's my 
> younger brother and sisters, their kids, and assorted aunts and uncles and 
> cousins. 
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Augustus Augustus"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:41:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Thanksgiving Dinner 
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> well Keith, since i have 2 put up with it with going 2 my brother-in-law's 
> house in marietta this year (Number One and I hosted last year), i will take 
> some pic's 4 u.  as 4 the cakes and pies, u watch your sugar and if YOUR 
> Number One is not around, i slip u are one. 
> 
> --- On Mon, 11/23/09, Keith Johnson  wrote: 
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> From: Keith Johnson  
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Thanksgiving Dinner 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 1:23 PM 
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> Funny stuff! My wife and I don't have relatives here in Atlanta, so rather 
> than cook this year or going to some friends', we were thinking of going out. 
> (The fact that I have to watch my blood sugar now didn't help, as pies and 
> cakes were my favorite part!). My wife has long been a fan of eating out to 
> avoid all the time spent on cooking and all the leftovers. I was 
> entertaining it, but you know, i actually started thinking how I'd *miss* 
> some of the stuff you mentioned below! I like the chaos of family meals; the 
> loud kids, the arguments, that relative who leaves with more food on paper 
> plates than he brought. Nothing like the cacaphony, confusion, and yes, even 
> disagreements around a family dinner. I just couldn't see sitting sedately 
> in a restaurant while waiters politely bring my food, and I don't even get to 
> complain about who ate the last slice of the sour cream pound cake!   
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> My college roommate is flying in from San Fran to be with his mom, who lives 
> here, so we'll be going there instead. Still no kids, but we ought to ahve 
> some decent arguments, since he's a 49ers fan and I support America's Team, 
> and he loves the new Star Trek movie, and I think it's an enjoyable but 
> regretable move. 
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Augustus Augustus"  
> To: "Black SciFi"  
> Cc: "Sci Fi"  
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:15:33 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Thanksgiving Dinner 
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> 10 RULES FOR THANKSGIVING DINNER AT MY HOUSE 
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> 1. Don't get in line asking questions about the food. "Who made the 
>  potato salad? Is it egg in there? Are the greens fresh? Is the meat 
>  in the greens turkey or pork? Who made the macaroni and cheese ? 
>  What kind of pie is that? Who made it? Ask one more question and I 
>  will punch you in your mouth, knocking out all your fronts so you 
>  won't  be able to eat anything. 
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> 2. If you can't walk or are missing any limbs, sit your ass down 
>  until someone makes your plate for you. Dinner time is not the time 
>  for you to be independent. Nibble on them damn pecans and walnuts to hold 
>  you over until someone makes you a plate. 
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> 3. If you have kids under the age of twelve, I will escort their 
>  little asses to the basement and bring their food down to them. They 
>  are not gonna tear my damn house up this year. Tell them that they 
>  are not allowed upstairs until it's time for Uncle Butchie to start 
>  telling family stories about their mommas and papas. If they come upstairs 
>  for any reason except for that they are bleeding to death, I will break a 
>  foot off in their asses! 
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> 4. There is going to be one prayer for Thanksgiving dinner! JUST 
>  ONE! We do not care that you are thankful that your 13 year old 
>  daughter gave birth to a healthy baby or your nephew just got out of jail. 
>  Save that talk for somebody who gives a damn. The time limit for the 
>  prayer is one minute. If you are still talking after that one minute is up, 
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[scifinoir2] Re: Gaming can't keep up with hot '08

[B Smith]

$60 is a lot to spend. Gamefly and Gamestop can offset that if you're patient 
enough.

The bloom is somewhat off the rose for the Wii and that probably hurt a bit. I 
think Modern Warfare 2, Left 4 Dead 2, Borderlands, Episodes from Liberty City 
and Assassins Creed 2 will shore up some of the losses. I also wonder if they 
count DLC sales on the 360?

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry  
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> From: Kelwyn 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, November 23, 2009 7:31:58 PM
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Gaming can't keep up with hot '08
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> October sales drop 19% in 7th monthly decline, stirring holiday anxiety.
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[scifinoir2] Re: Gritty tale of revenge in "NOLA"

[B Smith]

Interesting. I may even break down and pick up the single issues.

I had a problem with this section:

"It helps that Damian Couceiro's realistic art effectively captures the mood of 
New Orleans. Overall, the book has a look of mugginess that mirrors the real 
city. The highlight of the series will be seeing more from him as he becomes 
more comfortable with the setting and characters."

Looking at the images they thought that the French Quarter and Garden District 
are New Orleans. I would be blown over if someone would capture New Orleans' 
colorful palette. Seeing a coral, sky blue or sea green Creole cottage would 
blow me away. Just venting.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
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> Someone just handed me this link, thought a few of you might enjoy it. I'll 
> be eyes open for it, if ever I make it to the comic-book store.
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> http://www.2theadvocate.com/entertainment/72051212.html
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
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[scifinoir2] Re: Why James Rhodes Is Comics' Ideal Black Hero

[B Smith]

Which is lazy as hell because that was part of Lance Reddick's character arc as 
Lt. Daniels on The Wire. 

I'm just saying. ;)

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
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> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Keith Johnson
> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:56 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Why James Rhodes Is Comics' Ideal Black Hero
> 
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> Does the guy in "Fringe" have a life outside of the job?
> 
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 2:32:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Why James Rhodes Is Comics' Ideal Black Hero
> 
>   
> 
> You have the brotha on Dollhouse, but they minimized his character for the 
> white guy/love interest. You also have the brotha on Fringe too. 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Keith Johnson  wrote:
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> Amen! The Milestone books showed a gamut of black life, body types, skin 
> colors, political views. (Icon, for example, was a conservative. Though 
> technically he wasn't "black", but an alien who'd lived as a black man since 
> the 19th Century).
> 
> It really is disturbing that in 2009 we still have white writers saying "hey, 
> wouldn't it be cool to disfigure the black guy and make him a cyborg or 
> something?" Yeah, that's what I want to see: another black man who's not able 
> to have a normal romantic relationship with a woman.
> 
> What shows are on TV right now that you feel portay black people--black men 
> especially--in a fair and balanced light? I hate to say, but the last show I 
> can remember that showed blacks in positions of authority, acting 
> intelligently, having stable relationships with women, being more than window 
> dressing on the show, *and* having honest and varied discussions about racial 
> issues...was "Homicide: Life on the Streets"
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> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 4:05:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Why James Rhodes Is Comics' Ideal Black Hero
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> I think the biggest problem with the media, comic books included, is that 
> they don't hire black writers or artists to make the black characters more 
> authentic. There is a general media stereotype about black people that fall 
> in the tv category that dictates that black couples be like the Rock show or 
> the Cosby show. (the exception are cop shows and medical shows) 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Tracey de Morsella  wrote:
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> Why James Rhodes Is Comics' Ideal Black Hero - 
> http://io9.com/5409701/why-james-rhodes-is-comics-ideal-black-hero
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> hen it comes to superhero fiction, there are certain iconic archetypes; 
> Superman is the iconic whitebread hero, Batman the iconic OCD loner. But did 
> you realize that Iron Man  's James Rhodes 
>   is the accidental iconic black superhero? 
> We'll explain.
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> By accident more than design, Rhodes has ended up possessing multiple 
> characteristics that sum up the black superhero experience. Sure, he may not 
> have the word "Black" in his superhero name (See: Black Panther, Black 
> Lightning, Black Goliath, the Black Racer or even the Black Musketeers. Yes, 
> that's right; I said The   
> Black Musketeers), and he may not ride a skateboard 
>   - Or not that we've seen, at least, who 
> knows what he does in his spare time? - but look how many other checkboxes 
> he's managed to tick:
> 
> He's A Sidekick At Heart
> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/11/warm3.jpgIf there's one 
> rule for black   superheroes, it's that 
> they're never the stars of the show (Or, at least, not for very long; 
> attempts like Black Lightning or the Milestone books are always, sadly, done 
> in by falling sales). Yes, you could make an argument that Black Panther 
> contradicts that, but I'd just invoke the "He's the exception that proves 
> the" clause and move on quickly*. Despite headlining his own books twice in 
> his career - something that doesn't really mean anything, no matter how good 
> those books were; remember, Marvel once published Street Poet Ray and Power 
> Pachyderms, so anything goes there - Jim Rhodes is, and always will be, a 
> sidekick to Tony Stark's Iron Man. His armor was created by Tony. His 
> training and experience all came from Tony. Hell, even his reason for 
> becoming a superhero in the first place is Tony and that whole alcoholic 
> breakdown thing. Sure, he never had to deal with the embarrassment of having 
> his name second in the title to a non-existent superhero (Poor Sam 

[scifinoir2] Re: Movie audiences HATE "The Box"

[B Smith]

Well they apparently hated Wolf Creek but it's an effective horror movie. I can 
understand the "hate" because it is a bit of a downer.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I agree. I think that some of the kids movies should be a lot shorter. The
> stories would have worked better. I also think that if they make shorter
> films they could do more movies instead of spending 20 million or more on a
> 70 minute film with mediocre results.
> 
> (The Incredibles cost 98 million to make.)
> 
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > no surprise. It's often tricky to take a short story and expand it into a
> > full movie. The TV ep was a short half-hour ep, which works with a short
> > story.
> >
> > i'm often extremely leery of people expanding really good short works into
> > full movies. Often the originally author is passed on--or passed over--and
> > the creative team expands, expounds, and extrapolates in ways that make the
> > work feel padded. I should probably have better examples from the genre, but
> > all I can think of right now are the two Dr. Seuss disasters I saw--The Cat
> > in the Hat and The Grinch--which were overlong and boring.
> >
> >
> >
> > I listened to an interview with the director. Really nice guy, very eager
> > and very much a fan of the original work, but he was really into the whole
> > idea of expanding the story, which made me nervous. I give him props,
> > though, for keeping the movie set in the past.
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Kelwyn" 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:44:02 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Movie audiences HATE "The Box"
> >
> >
> >
> > Word is movie-goers didn't just dislike "The Box" ($14 million total box
> > office, $7.6 mil opening night), they (Antoine and Blaine) "HATED it!"
> >
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2009/nov/20/cinemascore-the-box
> >
> > Film oracle CinemaScore spells doom for The Box
> > CinemaScore is the audience-reaction research tool of choice for the film
> > industry - because of its uncanny accuracy. Not good news for Richard Kelly,
> > whose latest film The Box has just been awarded a rare-as-Ed-Wood's-teeth
> > F-grade.
> >
> > Fs, however, are few and far between. "People really thought [The Box] was
> > a stinker," explained Ed Mintz, who runs CinemaScore. Mintz could recall
> > just three films ever making that grade in the past: The Bug, William
> > Friedkin's psycho-horror starring Ashley Judd and Michael Shannon,
> > backpackers-in-peril horror Wolf Creek and haunted house shocker Darkness.
> >
> > Interestingly, "The Box," a horror thriller adapted from a short story by
> > Richard Matheson, was first adapted as the "Button, Button" episode of "The
> > Twilight Zone."
> >
> > ~rave!
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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[scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4

[B Smith]

I loved that series. I remember being blown away when Felice D-Jumped and 
nearly killed Marc Remillard. It was such surprising and scary moment.


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> The result of years of reading Marvel's Handbook (with all the power levels 
> and comparisons listed). Also, stuff such as Julian May's Pliocene exile 
> series, where powers are broken down into Farsensing (telepathy/remote 
> sensing), Pyschokinesis, Coercion (mind control), Redaction (mind 
> reading/altering), and Creativity (matter/energy manipulation). 
> 
> 
> 
> I tend to think a lot about powers and how they'd be of benefit. I tend to 
> break them down into offensive (e.g., Cyclops' optic beams, Wolvie's claws), 
> defensive (Juggernaut's invulnerability, Blob's mass of blubber, Storm's 
> winds applied at a foe),  information gathering/stealth (telepathy, 
> invisibility, intangibility), and special powers (Forge's knack with 
> machines, mind control of Xavier, etc). 
> 
> 
> 
> So, when thinking of a superpower I'd like to have, I try to think of one or 
> two that cover the gamut and would give one as many tools as possible. 
> Magneto, Storm, Graviton, and Xavier--all of which could be called 
> "elementals"--are tops in the list for covering all bases. 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kelwyn"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 3:10:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass 
> quits Bourne 4 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Wow. I am just Pinky to your Brain! (I guess we can say you have thought 
> about this). 
> 
> ~rave! 
> 
> The Brain: Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? 
> Pinky: I think so, Brain, but if they called them "sad meals" no one would 
> buy them. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yeah, teleportation is a good power, one of my favs too. Allows one to 
> > avoid danger, wreak all kinds of havoc(facing an army? No biggie: just 
> > 'port behind their lines, or 'port a bomb into their midst then skedaddle). 
> > I also like intangibility, as it's a great one for covert ops and 
> > resistance (avoidance) to injury. I like intagibility over invisibility 
> > because with the former you can get into and out of anything, while 
> > being invisible doesn't help if you can't pick the lock on a vault, or 
> > can't figure a way to get around pressure plates or temperature sensors. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I like the standards of strength, speed, and invulnerability too, but I 
> > tend to lean toward powers that are more diverse in usage. Thus, for me 
> > it'd be strong telekenesis (flight, lifting objects, forcefields), or maybe 
> > manipulation of gravity or magnetic fields a la Graviton and Magneto. Those 
> > powers allow one to control just about everything. Also like Storms weather 
> > manipulation, which can be devastating on a large or small scale. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Kelwyn"  
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 9:52:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass 
> > quits Bourne 4 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I second the emotion on "Jumper." My daughter and I watch it every time it 
> > comes on. 
> > 
> > (but, then again, teleportation IS my favorite super power). 
> > 
> > ~rave! 
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > You know what? I didn't hate "Jumper". It was weak, for sure, but there 
> > > was a lot to like about it. My wife and I saw it with a crowd on a 
> > > Saturday night, and had no regrets. Sure, Sam Jackson overacted, they 
> > > didn't really explain why his group felt Jumpers were an abomination in 
> > > God's eyes.  Hayden Christenson is not exactly a scintillating 
> > > actor, which was a big problem. The script was a bit spare, the 
> > > movie too short, and some key things left unfulfilled.  (ringing 
> > > endorsement, eh?!) 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > But all that being said, it was still an enjoyable time waster. The 
> > > jumping was good, and the possibilities only hinted at here are 
> > > limitless. In some ways it reminds me of the first X-Men movie, which, 
> > > while defintely way better in comparison, was also a bit rushed, light on 
> > > plotting, and curtailed in storytelling. I'm thinking that, like X2, 
> > > maybe Jumper 2 can round off those rough edges and show the promise I saw 
> > > and enjoyed in the first. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I have no evidence of this at all, but the first flick seemed to be one 
> > > of those put together after studio/director wrangling, budget issues, 
> > > rewrites, and a rushed shooting schedule. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "Martin 

[scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman

[B Smith]

Sammo Hung. He and Yeun Biao are Jackie Chan's "brothers" from the Peking 
Opera. He's still making incredible movies in Hong Kong. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> 
> 
>  I hear that. I always find it fascinating to see martial arts masters who 
> are decidedly out of shape on the service. Of course, the skills are still 
> there, but as you intimate, how long could someone like Seagal last in a 
> fight before tiring? Guess he'd have to be quick and lethal as hell. 
> Remember that really heavyset kung fu guy who had his own series in teh 
> States for a minute? Samuel or Sammo someone? The show was "Martial Law", I 
> believe. he was incredible: fast, nimble, agile, skilled. It was amazing 
> watching that bulk move like that. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2"  
> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 3:52:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Don't doubt that for a second. His early stuff proved to me that he had the 
> skills to pay the bills. Just have to wonder how effective he can still be, 
> now that middle age has caught up with him. 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: keithbjohn...@... 
> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:42:34 + 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> yeah, Seagal actually trained in Japan to a real master, when he was younger. 
> As far as that goes, he's the real deal. 
>   
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2"  
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 4:00:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> Keith, I didn't know that. Surprising how little I know about the man, 
> considering how big a star he is. (Pun not intended in the least.) That would 
> make it fun, as I'm a jeet kune tao practitioner. 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: keithbjohn...@... 
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:56:40 + 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> although, as a true master of akijutsu (not the watered down akido), he'd be 
> formidable even with his current girth 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2"  
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 3:28:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> Puh-LEEZE, Mr Worf. He's as wide as he is tall, from the snippets I've seen. 
> If I were of a criminal nature, and I ran across him, he'd end up vertical. 
> (They'd probably catch me anyway, because I'd be LMNAATWO.) 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
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> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: hellomahog...@... 
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:29:00 -0800 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> I found out that he is in a little town in Georgia so you guys better watch 
> out down there! :) 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Kelwyn < ravena...@... > wrote: 
> 
> 
> I saw the commercial for this and my visceral reaction was "really?" 
> 
> ~(no)rave! 
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Mr. Worf"  wrote: 
> > 
> > Starts tomorrow 10pm. Join me for the trainwreck... :) 
> > 
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[scifinoir2] Re: The Most Unfairly Overlooked Movies Of The Decade

[B Smith]

Have you seen Spartan? It's definitely an underrated gem. It's a harder edged 
precursor to Mamet's work on The Unit. 

I'd add his movie Heist to the list as well.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
>
> >Black Snake Moan (2007)
> 
> The most charitable thing I can say is this is no "Hustle and Flow."
>  
> > Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (2005)
> 
> Robert Downey and Val Kilmer are great in this.  Val Kilmer is one of our 
> great character actors.
>  
> > Zack and Miri Make A Porno (2008)
>  
> I like Kevin Smith but I haven't seen this. "Fully-clothed sex scenes" is 
> just NOT a selling point for me. 
>  
> > City of Ember (2008)
> 
> Never heard of it.  Sounds promising.  Into my Netflix queue you go! 
>   
> > Below (2002)
>  
> Never heard of it.  Sounds promising.  Not in my Netflix queue yet.
> 
> > Choke (2008)
>  
> "Vile, seedy, and morally bankrupt. Amoral and filthy in the most glorious of 
> ways." Hook a brother up!
> 
> > 25th Hour (2002)
>  
> 25th Hour should be seen just for the scene with Rosario Dawson on the swing 
> in her Catholic school girl outfit (but, enough about me).  25th Hour may be 
> Spike Lee's most accomplished film. Even Tony Siragusa gives a good 
> performance in this movie.
> 
> > Open Range (2003)
> > 
> Next to "Tombstone," "Open Range" may be my favorite western of all time.  
> You gotta love a movie where Robert Duvall plays a character named 
> "Bluebonnet Spearman." 
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> http://twitter.com/ravenadal
> http://theworldebon.blogspot.com
>

[scifinoir2] Re: The Equalizer Dies

[B Smith]

The Wicker man is still one of the most unsettling movies I've ever seen. 
Nicholas Cage and Co. should have done their homework and did a more faithful 
remake. Subtlety is a virtue.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Sorry to hear that. He was a good actor.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Tracey de Morsella <
> tdli...@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >  *79-year-old actor Edward Woodward â€" best known to genre fans for
> > starring in the 1973 cult film THE WICKER MAN â€" died from pneumonia today 
> > at
> > his home in Cornwall. He played a variety of roles in his career, earning
> > good notices for a role in BREAKER MORANT (1980). Fame in the U.S came
> > with hislead role in THE EQUALIZER, which launched in 1985 and ran for four
> > seasons. But horror 
> > fans will always 
> > remember him as the ill-fated Seargent Howie, the
> > puritanical policeman in THE WICKER MAN, who comes to a remote Scottish isle
> > looking for a missing girl, only to learn that the local pagans, led by Lord
> > Summerisle (Christopher 
> > Lee)
> > have lured him there as a human sacrifice*.
> >
> > Woodward’s other genre credits include INCENSE FOR THE DAMNED (1970),
> > GULLIVER’S TRAVELS (a 1996 TV movie), and an appearance in an episode of
> > DARK REALM (a 2000 television series). In 1984, he gave some gusto to his
> > role as the Ghost of Christmas Present in A CHRISTMAS 
> > CAROL,
> > starring George C. Scott as Scrooge. And he showed up in the splatter-comedy
> > HOT FUZZ, which like WICKER MAN was about homicidal happenings in a remote
> > British commuity.
> >
> > His last credit was A CONGREGATION OF 
> > GHOSTS,
> > which is in post-production. Based on a true story, the fanciful
> > dramatization casts Woodward as Reverend Densham, a man who returns to haunt
> > his church yard after being spurned by his congregation during his life.
> >
> > http://cinefantastiqueonline.com/2009/11/edward-woodward-obituary/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> 
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> 
> 
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> Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Daybreakers

[B Smith]

I'm there. I liked the directors' last movie, Undead, quite a bit.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> Caught the trailer for this about a year ago, in one of my groups. I'm more 
> than warm for it.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; ggs...@...; cinque3...@...
> From: tdli...@...
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:08:35 -0800
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Daybreakers
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> Daybreakers:  Stars Ethan Hawke, Willem Dafoe, and Sam Neill
> 
> In the year 2019, a plague has transformed most every human
> into vampires. Faced with a dwindling blood supply, the fractured dominant 
> race
> plots their survival; meanwhile, a researcher works with a covert band of 
> vamps
> on a way to save humankind. |
> 
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> 
> Its not a redo or a sequel.  Sound pretty good.
> 
>  
> 
> Found this on IMDB about it 
> 
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0433362/
> 
> attended the World Premiere of "Daybreakers" at
> the 2009 Toronto International Film Festival. Like many genre films being
> screened here, it's another fascinating hybrid -- let's call this one vampire
> sci-fi action adventure.
> 
> 
> 
> This Australian horror film (is it something in the water?) was written and
> directed by brothers Michael and Peter Spierig, the very same filmmakers who
> closed down the legendary Uptown Theatre in Toronto with "Undead" in
> 2003. That made this a homecoming of sorts. In fact, it turns out they'd been
> working on "Daybreakers" since that very day.
> 
> 
> 
> It's 2019, and there's been a role reversal -- the world is populated 
> primarily
> by vampires. Humans are now a hunted minority and an essential food source --
> think "Alien" meets "Soylent Green." Charles Bromley (Sam
> Neill) is the head of a mega-corporation which reaps hefty profits off the
> "arrangement." Ethan Hawke plays Edward, chief blood researcher.
> Later, we'll meet outlaw Elvis (Willem Dafoe). His role here becomes more 
> pivotal
> as the story progresses but I'll leave it at that.
> 
> 
> 
> All are up to the task but, despite the presence of veterans Neill, Hawke, and
> Dafoe, "Daybreakers" is still story-driven and would be less
> effective if not for an ingenious plot filled with unexpected turns and 
> nonstop
> action that had me on the edge of my seat, literally. The script is laden with
> unpredictable twists and shocking reveals that will surprise viewers. Horrific
> mutant creatures appear out of nowhere with perfect timing.
> 
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> 
> The brothers Spierig take a thorough hands-on approach, involving themselves 
> in
> many of the technical aspects along with writing and directing. Ben Nott's
> sweeping cinematography and crisp editing by Matt Villa helps fulfill their
> vision of a dark world in which the protagonists are often difficult to
> identify.
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> Groundbreaking visual and special effects often elicited cheers from the
> audience here. I was wide-eyed from start to finish witnessing some of the 
> most
> jawdropping stunts and shocking "kills" I've seen in a genre film.
> The color palette is essential to the story as, of course, the undead can only
> come out at night. Since most shots are necessarily interiors or in darkness,
> pushing the blue reflects the bleak lighting conditions under which the
> population lives, as well as the washed-out appearance of what (we imagine)
> vampires look like. As in most genre movies, sound is as essential to the 
> story
> as are characters, and composer Christopher Gordon's masterful score matches 
> up
> with the brilliant work of the effects team to punctuate the many intense
> action sequences.
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> 
> Michael and Peter Spierig attended the screening along with Willem Dafoe and
> Sam Neill. The Q&A ran well into the early morning hours.
> 
> 
> 
> (NOTE: "Daybreakers" was the runner-up for the Midnight Madness
> Cadillac People's Choice Award)
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> From:
> scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mr.
> Worf
> 
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 4:43 PM
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> If you haven't seen the ad yet. It is about a world most of the human race has
> turned into vampires. http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809912192/info
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[scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list

[B. Smith]

Shepherd Book might have been an Operative as well. H.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> I felt the same about Kendra. I was first disturbed at the almost slave 
> attitude she had toward Giles, the respect bordering on servitude. And her 
> death really pissed me off. But as you say, later Whedon brought in more 
> Blacks and gave them significant roles. And while I don't look for 
> interracial relationships (still preferring to see more positive black 
> couples on TV) I give him respect for putting a black man in a relationship 
> with a white woman (Gunn and Fred). And didn't Faith get it on with a black 
> man in one ep of Buffy? So I guess he's not prejudiced. 
> 
> I did ask myself at one moment why the two assassins in "Firefly" and 
> "Serenity" were both black men (Richard Brooks in the series, Chiwetel 
> Ejiofor in the movie). That side of me that distrusts blacks being stuck in 
> certain roles wondered if there was some underlying feeling of brothers being 
> sinister killers, and naturally scary or something. But thinking about it, I 
> just concluded that they liked the actors, especially Ejiofor, whose 
> character was a rather cool but heartless killer. 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Michelle Lauren"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:12:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This is a great idea for a list. I nominate Kendra Young, the first African 
> American slayer on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She was introduced and killed in 
> one episode. Her character could have had a lot of potential but wasn't 
> developed. When she died, the storyline wasn't affected, but it SHOULD have 
> been. *sigh* 
> 
> I can't be angry at Joss Whedon though. He does include black characters in 
> Buffy and the spinoff series, Angel, that were recurring characters as well 
> as likable and important to the plot (such as Gunn and the demigoddess played 
> by Gina Torres from Angel the Series). 
> 
> Michelle Lauren 
> **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a 
> chance to WIN a $20 Barnes&Noble.com Gift Certificate. Details here: 
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> 
> > --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry  > > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a 
> > > disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline 
> > > it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia "Dee" Dualla and her 
> > > totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. 
> > > 
> > > I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help 
> > > repopulate the human race. 
> > > 
> > > There are so many others to list,where do i start? 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  - - -- 
> > 
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> >
>

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Primeval canceled

[B. Smith]

It's a fun show and I'll miss it. I will be interested to see how the American 
version will be different besides having more firepower.

BTW one part about the show always irked me. Their military response team would 
go after dinos and other beasties with the same guns they'd use on a human 
opponent. Geez would it have killed someone to properly arm them? I think my 
friends and I would have been better at taking down the threats they face than 
their "away" teams. 

"Giant croc in the Thames? No problem. Fly my cousin Clive and his airboat over 
and we'll sort this out by dinnertime."

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:
>
> Hard to say that I'll miss something that'll undoubtedly be on DVD before the 
> year is out (if it isn't altready), but I'll lament what could've been. Had 
> definite potential for growth.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
-[ Received Mail Content ]--
> 
 Subject : [scifinoir2] Primeval canceled
> 
 Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:58:35 -0700
> 
 From : "Tracey de Morsella" 
> 
 To : 
> 
> 
Looks like even a successful show can be canceled after a few years. ITV's
> Primeval (shown on BBC America on Saturday nights and on The Sci-Fi Channel)
> has
> 
> val-science-fiction> been canceled after three seasons. The show was
> actually successful and well-liked and there's going to be a big-screen
> 
> ing-on-television/> version too (and probably a U.S. version), but it was
> too expensive to produce.
> 
> Are you going to miss this show, or was three seasons enough?
> http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/06/16/primeval-canceled/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>

[scifinoir2] Re: The Sad, Strange Tale of Dwayne McDuffie

[B. Smith]

DC editorial strikes again. I'm glad Dwayne has come out of this madness ok and 
has picked up new animated series work. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal"  wrote:
>
> http://comiccritics.com/2009/06/16/the-sad-strange-tale-of-dwayne-mcduffie/
>

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Brother Voodoo gets his Doctorate

[B. Smith]

I can't wait to hear the fan backlash at this development.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:
>
> Brother rave, you keep throwing these yummy cookies out in front of me...
> 
> And, odd thing -- I was wondering just last week who the Sorceror Supreme 
> was, knowing that Strange was out of the position.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
 Date : Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:46:01 -
> 
 From : "ravenadal" 
> 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/06/19/bendis-on-marvels-new-sorcerer-supreme-brother-voodoo/
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brother_Voodoo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Brother Voodoo gets his Doctorate

[B. Smith]

Apparently they are a vocal part of comic fandom. After seeing the hate that 
Marvel got for daring to make Black Panther and Luke Cage actually matter I 
imagine that this will get the same reaction.

The vitriol on the "internets" that is heaped on black characters and comic 
creators was one of the things that saddened me about comic fandom.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:
>
> B, the minute they come forth, we'll know where at least a few of the small 
> minds are.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
 Date : Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:18:57 -
> 
 From : "B. Smith" 
> 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
I can't wait to hear the fan backlash at this development.
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:
> >
> > Brother rave, you keep throwing these yummy cookies out in front of me...
> > 
> > And, odd thing -- I was wondering just last week who the Sorceror Supreme 
> > was, knowing that Strange was out of the position.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > 
>  Subject : [scifinoir2] Brother Voodoo gets his Doctorate
> > 
>  Date : Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:46:01 -
> > 
>  From : "ravenadal" 
> > 
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > 
> http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/06/19/bendis-on-marvels-new-sorcerer-supreme-brother-voodoo/
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brother_Voodoo
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Brother Voodoo gets his Doctorate

[B. Smith]

No thanks. I've finally kicked the habit(for the most part) and I definitely 
don't miss the daily dose of stupid, bigoted drivel found on most comic boards. 


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, gwashin...@... wrote:
>
> It's already started.   Just take a look at the various comic message 
> boards for details.
> 
> 
> -GTW
> 
> In a message dated 6/22/09 9:19:39 AM, daikaij...@... writes:
> 
> 
> > I can't wait to hear the fan backlash at this development.
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Brother rave, you keep throwing these yummy cookies out in front of 
> > me...
> > >
> > > And, odd thing -- I was wondering just last week who the Sorceror 
> > Supreme was, knowing that Strange was out of the position.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> > >
> > Subject : [scifinoir2] Brother Voodoo gets his Doctorate
> > >
> > Date : Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:46:01 -
> > >
> > From : "ravenadal" 
> > >
> > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/06/19/bendis-on-marvels-new-sorcerer-supr
> > eme-brother-voodoo/
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brother_Voodoo
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press?

[B. Smith]

She's highly regarded but not given the same respect as the legendary hard 
sci-fi types. Her work falls into the more literary side of the genre and in 
some ways she was more highly regarded outside the genre.  

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:
>
> George, it's possible, but I see her lack of props as being more a matter of 
> the mainstream SF press not knowing what the frell it's doing. IMO, they've 
> become like the music industry, more interested in the flavor of the week 
> than actual decent work. When I go to the bookstore and browse the SF/fantasy 
> shelves, the stuff I see is so derivative as to be embarrassing. Nine times 
> out of ten, I can figure out what the story inside the covers is solely by 
> what pose the characters on the cover are striking. Shouldn't be that easy, 
> even for a guy with my brain.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
 Subject : [scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press?
> 
 Date : Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:10:06 -0700 (PDT)
> 
 From : George Arterberry 
> 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> I've rarely seen her represented in so-called mainstream press.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>

[scifinoir2] Re: for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2

[B. Smith]

I finished Mercenaries 2: World in Flames and now I'm playing GTA IV. Being an 
amoral criminal can be a good stress reliever.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Aubrey Leatherwood  
wrote:
>
> 
> B! :) I don't sleep so it's only time I would have used to do that!
> 
> Aubrey Leatherwood
> www.aubreyleatherwood.com
> FaceBook * MySpace Imperfection
> A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex.
> The People You Know, The Sex They Have
> ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008
> ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: ravena...@...
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:36:34 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite 
> Games) Pt 2
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Whenever I lament (almost never) the insane amount of hours I spend on my 
> ever expanding World Ebon narrative - perpetual calendar, sports leagues, 
> newspapers, biographies, stories and history - I take solace that, at least, 
> I am not wasting that time playing video games.
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> http://theworldebon.blogspot.com
> http://twitter.com/ravenadal
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[scifinoir2] Re: Little Black Sambots

[B. Smith]

I heard about this. WTF were they thinking? 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> http://chud.com/articles/articles/19917/1/TRANSFORMERS039-LITTLE-BLACK-SAMBOTS/Page1.html
>

[scifinoir2] Re: for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2

[B. Smith]

My wife loves Mafia Wars.

I think San Andreas was the best game overall (Vice City was the most fun) but 
some elements like the DDR inspired minigames and mission and all the schools 
stopped too many people's progress in the game. GTA IV scraps those but keeps 
some other elements like girlfriends and need to eat. It's a huge game and a 
lot of fun. One of my favorite things is the vigilante missions. They've also 
added some cool stuff like the ability to see shows within the game and watch 
tv. There are tons of content made just for those activities. The in game 
commercials are insane.

I really do miss the rampages and the ability to fully customize the character. 
Oh well.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I have been playing mafia wars on facebook, Sins of a solar empire,
> Stronghold 2, and Starcraft. I may also start playing Sims 3. (I have been
> hearing that people have been having problems with getting it to run.) I
> also still play GTA San Andreas and GTA 3. Haven't tried GTA 4 yet.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:17 AM, B. Smith  wrote:
> 
> > I finished Mercenaries 2: World in Flames and now I'm playing GTA IV. Being
> > an amoral criminal can be a good stress reliever.
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Aubrey Leatherwood 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > B! :) I don't sleep so it's only time I would have used to do
> > that!
> > >
> > > Aubrey Leatherwood
> > > www.aubreyleatherwood.com
> > > FaceBook * MySpace Imperfection
> > > A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex.
> > > The People You Know, The Sex They Have
> > > ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008
> > > ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: ravenadal@
> > > Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:36:34 +
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite
> > Games) Pt 2
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Whenever I lament (almost never) the insane amount of hours I spend on my
> > ever expanding World Ebon narrative - perpetual calendar, sports leagues,
> > newspapers, biographies, stories and history - I take solace that, at least,
> > I am not wasting that time playing video games.
> > >
> > > ~rave!
> > >
> > > http://theworldebon.blogspot.com
> > > http://twitter.com/ravenadal
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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[scifinoir2] Re: for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2

[B. Smith]

Flight school killed it for me. It was way too involved for the amount of 
missions in the game where you need to fly. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> The DDR parts of the game are the only reason why I am still playing it. I
> haven't gotten passed that first one, but I have been doing everything else
> that I can in the game. :(
> 
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:06 AM, B. Smith  wrote:
> 
> > My wife loves Mafia Wars.
> >
> > I think San Andreas was the best game overall (Vice City was the most fun)
> > but some elements like the DDR inspired minigames and mission and all the
> > schools stopped too many people's progress in the game. GTA IV scraps those
> > but keeps some other elements like girlfriends and need to eat. It's a huge
> > game and a lot of fun. One of my favorite things is the vigilante missions.
> > They've also added some cool stuff like the ability to see shows within the
> > game and watch tv. There are tons of content made just for those activities.
> > The in game commercials are insane.
> >
> > I really do miss the rampages and the ability to fully customize the
> > character. Oh well.
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I have been playing mafia wars on facebook, Sins of a solar empire,
> > > Stronghold 2, and Starcraft. I may also start playing Sims 3. (I have
> > been
> > > hearing that people have been having problems with getting it to run.) I
> > > also still play GTA San Andreas and GTA 3. Haven't tried GTA 4 yet.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:17 AM, B. Smith  wrote:
> > >
> > > > I finished Mercenaries 2: World in Flames and now I'm playing GTA IV.
> > Being
> > > > an amoral criminal can be a good stress reliever.
> > > >
> > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Aubrey Leatherwood
> > 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > B! :) I don't sleep so it's only time I would have used to do
> > > > that!
> > > > >
> > > > > Aubrey Leatherwood
> > > > > www.aubreyleatherwood.com
> > > > > FaceBook * MySpace Imperfection
> > > > > A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex.
> > > > > The People You Know, The Sex They Have
> > > > > ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008
> > > > > ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > From: ravenadal@
> > > > > Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:36:34 +
> > > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your
> > Favorite
> > > > Games) Pt 2
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Whenever I lament (almost never) the insane amount of hours I spend
> > on my
> > > > ever expanding World Ebon narrative - perpetual calendar, sports
> > leagues,
> > > > newspapers, biographies, stories and history - I take solace that, at
> > least,
> > > > I am not wasting that time playing video games.
> > > > >
> > > > > ~rave!
> > > > >
> > > > > http://theworldebon.blogspot.com
> > > > > http://twitter.com/ravenadal
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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[scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list

[B. Smith]

I saw the sneak preview of Mutant Chronicles a while back and I give the movie 
props for a few things:

The worldbuilding was interesting.

The future "steampunk" tech was different if improbable. I loved the coal 
powered flying machines.

The weaponry like the phosphorus gun was cool.

Seeing the making of feature you could tell the folks were geeks and it  was a 
labor of love to get their movie made.

That said it was easily a half hour too long, there were several unnecessary 
side plots and sketchy effects diminished the final product.  

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:
>
> Ab initio, Keith, I hope that you and Phyliss enjoyed the outing, and I'm 
> envious because you had rain. And *doubly* so because you didn't have to 
> suffer through that.
> 
> I figure, regarding the ratings system, that there's one go-to source that 
> they're taking their ratings from, and that source really doesn't like many 
> movies. We were discussing "Equilibrium" last week, and it's way better than 
> the one star it rated.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
-[ Received Mail Content ]--
> 
 Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list
> 
 Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:06:10 + (UTC)
> 
 From : Keith Johnson 
> 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
I took my wife to dinner in downtown Decatur (fav part of the Atlanta area) 
last night. Indulged in a burger at Ted's Montana Grill, then walked the Square 
and sat people watching until the rain drove us away. Despite actors like Ron 
Perlman and Malkovich in the movie, I'd noticed that Comcast's rating system 
gave it only one star, so I decided to pass. After the headache-inducing 
"Virtuality" on Friday night, I'm really glad I did. 
> 
> On another note, what's up with Comcast's rating system? over and over and 
> over, i see movies given crappy (one star) ratings, yet the actual review on 
> the screen is favorable. For example, they'll rate "Mutant Chronicles" one 
> star, yet the synopsis will say "Exciting scifi thriller full of thrilling 
> special effects". What is the deal? 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:36:45 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Don't know if anyone caught that horrid Skiffy/Siffy movie "Mutant 
> Chronicles" last night, but it gives us another entry in this thread, Captain 
> John McGuire. The brother's proud! 
> 
> Intelligent! 
> 
> Noble! 
> 
> In CHARGE! 
> 
> Dead halfway through the flick! :P 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
> Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:43:11 + (UTC) 
> From : Keith Johnson  
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> If you do, *please* video it! That's one of my fav scenes in all of Trek. The 
> scar on Sulu's face was such a great touch. I remember as the whole thing 
> played out between Uhura and Sulu, in the background can be seen two Security 
> guards, lounging near the turbolift, amused by the whole affair. And the 
> sleezy look on Chekov's face when Sulu first went after Uhura was priceless 
> too. 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: wlro...@... 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:22:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
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> I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? 
> --Lavender 
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> From: Keith Johnson 
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> 
> 
> Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to 
> give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: "The game has rules. I 
> protest, and you come back. You didn't come back" 
> and then, Slap "I changed my mind" 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "C.W. Badie" < astromancer2...@... > 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
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> Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of 
> the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial 
> memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! 
> 
> --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter wrote: 
> 
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> From: Martin Baxter 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM 
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[scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Virtuality" Debut on Fox-

[B. Smith]

I have to agree with Keith on all points. The sad thing is that the show had a 
lot of cool material to work with but they chose to concentrate on the weakest 
plot element. You had a dying Earth, a starship with an Orion drive, a sick 
doctor, a virtual affair and other fun things but we got way too much of Mr. 
Creepy(who was even more creepy as one of the incestuous McPoyle brothers on 
It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia) killing everyone in VR.

For once you can't blame FOX for killing a show too soon. Two hours was more 
than enough.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Aubrey Leatherwood  
wrote:
>
> 
> Started watching it. Didn't finish it. DVRd it. Still didn't finish it. 
> Probably won't finish it. Going back to partying on Friday night... which is 
> why I missed the BSG phenomenon sadly. Never watched it. Here it was awesome.
> 
> Aubrey Leatherwood
> www.aubreyleatherwood.com
> FaceBook * MySpace Imperfection
> A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex.
> The People You Know, The Sex They Have
> ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008
> ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0
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> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: keithbjohn...@...
> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 02:25:56 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] My Take - "Virtuality" Debut on Fox-
> 
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> 
> 
> Anyone watch the  "Virtuality" debut on Fox? I've often given a new show 
> negative reviews, only to love it later. At the risk of continuing that 
> habit
> 
> There are three things I expect from a good scifi show: an interesting, 
> attention-grabbing concept (note that doesn't always mean an "original" one), 
> engaging actors that you like (or hate) and whose actions and experiences 
> mean something to you, and a well-written and executed plot that drives the 
> action, drama, or comedy and keeps you engaged.  
> 
> Note I did *not* say that it has to have great FX, amazing sets, or 
> frightening, slobbering BEMs to keep me interested. Nor does it need ot hinge 
> on space battles, explosions, or lots of action. Those things are great, and 
> certainly enhance the experience of everything from Star Trek to Terminator, 
> from Fringe to Primeval. But they're not the essence of scifi. Heck, some of 
> the best scifi I've ever seen took place in a single room with only the 
> slighest hint of any otherworldliness in terms of costumes or effects, and 
> very little action in terms of fights. "Twilight Zone" and "Outer Limits" 
> remain standards of good writing and acting triumphing over the surface 
> stuff. And of course, some of my favorite Star Trek eps of all time deal more 
> with the human condition than an alien attack or a killer computer. It's no 
> accident that a show that literally was built sometimes on cardboard and 
> kitchen implement props still entertains. So no, I don't need action and 
> excitement to enjoy my scifi. Heck, with the proper writing, direction, and 
> acting, someone could make a  flick about an intelligent, malevolent layer of 
> paint drying on the wall, and make it engaging.
> 
> But after sitting through two hours of Ron Moore's "Virtuality", I'd settle 
> for watching the non-intelligent, boring variety of paint slowly lose its 
> water molecules to the aether.  
> 
> There was nothing about the show that pulled me in in this debut. Not the 
> slow, almost tortured pace of the plot, which seemed less like intelligent 
> setup than plodding exposition. Not the curiously dull, vanilla actors, who 
> despite dealing with a mission now menaced by a murderous, rapist VR villain, 
> seemed boring and robotic in their performances. Coming into the show, i 
> thought these people had been on the ship for decades instead of few years 
> (or months?) They all seemed so disengaged, so monotonic in their speech, I 
> wondered if they'd already lost their minds, succumbed to space ennui, or 
> were all doing 'ludes.  Even their anger and fear seemed curiously devoid of 
> peaks and valleys of emotion.   Imagine an entire crew populated with Edward 
> James Olmos and David Duchovny clones, sitting in a spaceship that looks more 
> like the Big Brother house than a space vehicle, and you get the idea. 
> 
> I'm all for shows that build slowly, that take time to get the action going. 
> Indeed, I celebrate them. But this one made me feel as if I'd come into a 
> room after an argument where the principals have stopped talking, and I'm 
> left to wonder what was said. I didn't get the dynamics of the crew: who 
> liked whom, who had what type of personality, how long they've been in space, 
> what the mission is, or--most importantly--why the whole damn thing is being 
> filmed as a reality TV show. I just know that I was irritated by the now 
> overdone camera work that signals "look at me shake! This is live and real!" 
> I was turned off by the endless shots captioned with "Lipstick cam" or "Hull 
> camera C-374".  
> 
>  And man was I bored to tears with the

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Brother Voodoo gets his Doctorate

[B. Smith]

Trust me you wouldn't have to dig very deep to find examples of hate towards 
the characters and/or the creators that write them.

An easy example is the furor caused by Storm and Black Panther temporarily 
subbing for Reed and Sue. 

The whole Black Panther and Storm relationship.

The one misdrawn panel of McDuffie's run on FF that caused white fandom to lose 
their minds because Black Panther temporarily grappled with the Silver Surfer. 
In their minds SS looked to distressed.

It was canon that T'Challa had Galactus protocols but fanboys lost their minds 
when he actually used them. The modifications that T'Challa made to Dr. Doom's 
power cosmic siphoning device enabled him to take out Surfer during a battle 
but this was unacceptable. 

I could go on and on.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> Tell me about this objection to Panther and Cage? Given that both were 
> already black characters, what was the problem? They don't like T'Challa 
> finally being portrayed as a genius up there with Stark and Pym, a fighter on 
> the level of Captain America, a monarch to stand with Namor, Black Bolt, and 
> Doom, and a cunning strategist who could give Batman a run for his 
> money?What's wrong with that? And what, they didn't like Cage marrying a 
> white woman? 
> 
> I say the heck with them. I still remember the days when just about every 
> "black" character in comics strangely had to wear full body costumes to cover 
> their faces (Panther, Spawn), were somehow impaired so that they weren't used 
> much (Black Racer), or were deformed or changed in such a way that their 
> blackness was all but erased or hidden (Deathlok). There were years of this 
> foolishness were black characters were introduced but relegated to the 
> sidelines or rendered toothless, so why deny such characters their due now? 
> 
> And they keep saying that we're "post-racial" in the age of Obama 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "B. Smith"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 12:54:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Brother Voodoo gets his Doctorate 
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> Apparently they are a vocal part of comic fandom. After seeing the hate that 
> Marvel got for daring to make Black Panther and Luke Cage actually matter I 
> imagine that this will get the same reaction. 
> 
> The vitriol on the "internets" that is heaped on black characters and comic 
> creators was one of the things that saddened me about comic fandom. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Martin Baxter"  wrote: 
> > 
> > B, the minute they come forth, we'll know where at least a few of the small 
> > minds are. 
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> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Brother Voodoo gets his Doctorate 
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> Date : Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:18:57 - 
> > 
> From : "B. Smith"  
> > 
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > 
> > 
> I can't wait to hear the fan backlash at this development. 
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Martin Baxter" wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Brother rave, you keep throwing these yummy cookies out in front of me... 
> > > 
> > > And, odd thing -- I was wondering just last week who the Sorceror Supreme 
> > > was, knowing that Strange was out of the position. 
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> > Subject : [scifinoir2] Brother Voodoo gets his Doctorate 
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> > Date : Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:46:01 - 
> > > 
> > From : "ravenadal" 
> > > 
> > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > > 
> > > 
> > http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/06/19/bendis-on-marvels-new-sorcerer-supreme-brother-voodoo/
> >  
> > > 
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brother_Voodoo 
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[scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Virtuality" Debut on Fox-

[B. Smith]

It was the pilot episode but so far FOX has passed on it.

I need to rewatch it but they said that Earth was in danger of losing all of 
it's coastal areas and liveable land was getting scarce. They stated something 
to the effect that they had maybe another generation or so left before human 
life was in danger of extinction. 

The Orion drive uses nukes as propulsion. It was most famously used in the 
classic sci-fi novel Footfall by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. It has 
potential but will probably only be used to power ships already outside the 
atmosphere.

They were going to the Epsilon Eridani star system. It's an Sol type star and 
it's theorized to have several planets.

They used Neptune to slingshot.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> Is this a series, or was that a two-hour standalone TV movie? If the latter, 
> I missed the ending 'cause I couldn't hang. 
> I also missed the first half hour. What is wrong with Earth? What's an 
> "Orion" drive? Was it the nukes popping off behind the ship to propel it to 
> high velocities? and when they reached the go/no go point, what was the 
> planet they used for a slingshot effect? Were they still in our solar system, 
> in which case I'd guess it was Uranus or Neptune? And if so, where are they 
> going to go in ten years? The Centauri star system? 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "B. Smith"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:22:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Virtuality" Debut on Fox- 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I have to agree with Keith on all points. The sad thing is that the show had 
> a lot of cool material to work with but they chose to concentrate on the 
> weakest plot element. You had a dying Earth, a starship with an Orion drive, 
> a sick doctor, a virtual affair and other fun things but we got way too much 
> of Mr. Creepy(who was even more creepy as one of the incestuous McPoyle 
> brothers on It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia) killing everyone in VR. 
> 
> For once you can't blame FOX for killing a show too soon. Two hours was more 
> than enough. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Aubrey Leatherwood  
> wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > Started watching it. Didn't finish it. DVRd it. Still didn't finish it. 
> > Probably won't finish it. Going back to partying on Friday night... which 
> > is why I missed the BSG phenomenon sadly. Never watched it. Here it was 
> > awesome. 
> > 
> > Aubrey Leatherwood 
> > www.aubreyleatherwood.com 
> > FaceBook * MySpace Imperfection 
> > A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. 
> > The People You Know, The Sex They Have 
> > ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 
> > ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > From: KeithBJohnson@ 
> > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 02:25:56 + 
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] My Take - "Virtuality" Debut on Fox- 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Anyone watch the "Virtuality" debut on Fox? I've often given a new show 
> > negative reviews, only to love it later. At the risk of continuing that 
> > habit 
> > 
> > There are three things I expect from a good scifi show: an interesting, 
> > attention-grabbing concept (note that doesn't always mean an "original" 
> > one), engaging actors that you like (or hate) and whose actions and 
> > experiences mean something to you, and a well-written and executed plot 
> > that drives the action, drama, or comedy and keeps you engaged. 
> > 
> > Note I did *not* say that it has to have great FX, amazing sets, or 
> > frightening, slobbering BEMs to keep me interested. Nor does it need ot 
> > hinge on space battles, explosions, or lots of action. Those things are 
> > great, and certainly enhance the experience of everything from Star Trek to 
> > Terminator, from Fringe to Primeval. But they're not the essence of scifi. 
> > Heck, some of the best scifi I've ever seen took place in a single room 
> > with only the slighest hint of any otherworldliness in terms of costumes or 
> > effects, and very little action in terms of fights. "Twilight Zone" and 
> > "Outer Limits" remain standards of good writing and acting triumphing over 
> > the surface stuff. And of course, some of my favorite Star Trek eps of all 
> 

[scifinoir2] Re: The indisputably black vampires of Jewelle Gomez, L.A. Banks, and Octavia Butler

[B. Smith]

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Adrianne Brennan  
wrote:
>
> LA Banks is one of my favorite authors. I love her books!
> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
> Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:05 PM, ravenadal  wrote:
> 
> > http://blackvamp.notlong.com
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
> > Groups Links
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> >
> >
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[scifinoir2] Re: The indisputably black vampires of Jewelle Gomez, L.A. Banks, and Octavia Butler

[B. Smith]

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Adrianne Brennan  
wrote:
>
> LA Banks is one of my favorite authors. I love her books!
> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
> Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:05 PM, ravenadal  wrote:
> 
> > http://blackvamp.notlong.com
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
> > Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
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[scifinoir2] Re: The indisputably black vampires of Jewelle Gomez, L.A. Banks, and Octavia Butler

[B. Smith]

I think Jewelle Gomez may have posted here once upon a time. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Adrianne Brennan  
wrote:
>
> LA Banks is one of my favorite authors. I love her books!
> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
> Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:05 PM, ravenadal  wrote:
> 
> > http://blackvamp.notlong.com
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
> > Groups Links
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[scifinoir2] Re: Who remembers Marvel Comics "EPIC" magazine?

[B. Smith]

Epic was great. Jim Starlin's Metamorphosis Odyssey(the introduction of 
Dreadstar) and John Byrne's Last Galactus Story are classics.

Marvel keeps threatening to do a monthly comics magazine again but nothing ever 
pans out. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry  
wrote:
>
> It was their attempt to mimic Heavy Metal. I found my issues after cleaning 
> up my  flooded basement. The premeire issue came out in the fall of 1980.I 
> hadn't read those issues in years.Rereading them now.
>  
> They should have stuck with the concept.Some great pre-graphic novelizations.
>

[scifinoir2] Any Weekend Sci-Fi Plans?

[B. Smith]

Is anyone going to the movies, watching the Twilight Zone marathon or doing 
anything else fun or exciting this weekend?

I plan to cook a few brontosaurus burgers and finally watch the Blade Runner 
special edition when it gets too hot outside. My wife has never seen the movie 
so I'm torn on whether to show her the international version(my favorite) or 
the Final Cut with the remastered special effects.

[scifinoir2] Re: Any Weekend Sci-Fi Plans?

[B. Smith]

C'mon George, I know you'll be watching the Tranformers for the 4th time.


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry  
wrote:
>
> I may catch a few flicks I missed on their original run.
> 
> --- On Thu, 7/2/09, B. Smith  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: B. Smith 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Any Weekend Sci-Fi Plans?
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 10:07 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Is anyone going to the movies, watching the Twilight Zone marathon or doing 
> anything else fun or exciting this weekend?
> 
> I plan to cook a few brontosaurus burgers and finally watch the Blade Runner 
> special edition when it gets too hot outside. My wife has never seen the 
> movie so I'm torn on whether to show her the international version(my 
> favorite) or the Final Cut with the remastered special effects.
>

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Any Weekend Sci-Fi Plans?

[B. Smith]

Always a good Plan B. I just finished A. Lee Martinez's Monster(awesome 
Gaimanesque fun) and I have Warren Fahy's Fragment in addition to some other 
things in the to be read pile.

I might finally get to watch Let The Right One In in addition to Blade Runner. 
I finally watched Caprica the other night and managed to sit through 3 minutes 
of The Spirit before I gave up.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:
>
> I'd hoped finally to be able to get to the movies to see "Up" and "The 
> Hangover", but a crimp in my financial outlook has come up, and I need to 
> tighten my belt. Odds are, SF for me will be TZ and the stack of unread books 
> I have on hand. :-(
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
 From : "B. Smith" 
> 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
Is anyone going to the movies, watching the Twilight Zone marathon or doing 
anything else fun or exciting this weekend?
> 
> I plan to cook a few brontosaurus burgers and finally watch the Blade Runner 
> special edition when it gets too hot outside. My wife has never seen the 
> movie so I'm torn on whether to show her the international version(my 
> favorite) or the Final Cut with the remastered special effects.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale

[B. Smith]

Rave, 
You're a stouter soul than me. I couldn't make it past the first few minutes.

Martin,
Good cast. I have so many many dream projects that I would like to see. My 
ultimate would be an epic treatment of Dan Simmons' Hyperion. I know there is 
one in the works but I'm not holding my breath. 

Another would be Frank Miller and Dave Gibbons' Give Me Liberty. Martha is a 
hard casting choice because you need someone young but with some grit. My 
wife's suggestion hit it out of the park: Keke Palmer. She's definitely has the 
chops to do it and is the right age. I think Edward Norton or Christian Bale 
would be perfect as her antagonist Morreti. Adam Beach could be a great 
Wasserstein.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:
>
> Ab initio, rave, I hope that you'll be able t find a therapist good enough to 
> help you through the psych trauma almost certain to result from viewing 
> another of U_e B__l's  offerings...
> 
> As for casting a movie, I'd do Ellis and Hitch's The Authority. Casting --
> 
> Jenny Quantum -- Ellen Page
> Apollo -- Brad Pitt (because Apollo is one PURDY man, and Pitt is just that)
> The Midnighter -- Karl Urban
> The Doctor -- Kal Penn (if I could talk him away from his present job)
> The Engineer -- Jennifer Lopez (I'm *not* a fan of hers by any means, but 
> she's best here for the role)
> Jack Hawksmoor -- Jason Statham (all he does is glower and kick a$$, so 
> *behold*! Statham's defining role)
> Swift -- Michelle Yeoh
> Rose Tattoo -- Rosario Dawson (all she needs to do is to let her hair grow 
> out a bit)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
 From : "ravenadal" 
> 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
I am watching something called "In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale" 
on Showtime. The movie stars Jason Statham and the cast includes such stellar 
actors as Ron ("Hellboy") Perlman, Ray ("Goodfellas") Liotta - shamelessly 
chewing up scenery as Gallion, the prolific John Rhys-Davies, Burt "Smokey and 
the Bandit" Reynolds, Claire "Meet Joe Black" Forlani, Leelee ("Deep Impact") 
Sobieski and Brian J. White ("The Shield," "Moonlight") wearing a nasty looking 
scar as Commander Tarish. 
> 
> The movie is directed by German born schlockmiester Uwe Boll, best known for 
> his "BloodRayne" movies.
> 
> I had never heard of this movie so I went to IMDB, Box Office Mojo and 
> Wikipedia and discovered "In the Name of the King" cost $60 million and 
> grossed a robust $13 million worldwide. Then I discoverd the first 
> "BloodRayne" cost $25 million and grossed a whopping $2.42 million. WTF! 
> 
> Then I discovered that Boll is very successfully manipulating a lucrative 
> loophole in German tax laws. Boll is able to acquire funding thanks to German 
> tax laws that reward investments in film. The law allows investors in 
> German-owned films to write off 100% of their investment as a tax deduction; 
> it also allows them to invest borrowed money and write off any fees 
> associated with the loan. The investor is then only required to pay taxes on 
> the profits made by the movie; if the movie loses money, the investor gets a 
> tax writeoff.
> 
> Imagine, thought I, if black filmmakers were able to exploit such a loophole? 
> Everybody KNOWS black films don't make money. What an excellent opportunity 
> to make all the black epics everyone dreams of but nobody dares risk the 
> money to make. 
> 
> What a bonanza! You could hire all the known but under utilized black actors 
> and actresses - pay them top dollar - WTF? We are TRYING to lose money after 
> all! 
> 
> Let Vin Diesel make his "Hannibal." Let Spike Lee make his "Tuskegee Airmen." 
> Let the Hughes Brothers make whatever they want. Hell, let me film "The World 
> Ebon." Shoot, I could burn through a coupla hundred million dollars real 
> quick!
> 
> Imagine the mishmash of casts you could come up with! What would be your 
> dream project?
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> http://twitter.com/ravenadal
> http://theworldebon.blogspot.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>

[scifinoir2] Re: In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale

[B. Smith]

Most of those SyFy "originals" are independent movies that went direct to dvd 
or had a very limited theatrical release. SyFy buys the rights and gives them 
airtime. Most of the folks that produce them love the system because it gives 
them exposure and allows them to finance their next project. I don't think 
Sci-Fi produces very much of their movie content in house anymore. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart  wrote:
>
> Haha, yeah that SF fan therapy is quite lucrative!
> 
> Let's also not forget the many  Sci-Fi  Originals that  are made with  
> NBC/GE Money that  probably  never  make their money  back in  
> advertising,  hence they are shown a billion times.
> 
> 
> On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:54 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
> 
> > Great points made there, Mr Worf. And those two WotW movies are  
> > making money.
> >
> > For therapists treating severely depressed SF fans, that is.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >
> >  Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] In the Name of the King: A Dungeon  
> > Siege Tale
> >
> >  Date : Mon, 6 Jul 2009 04:42:38 -0700
> >
> >  From : "Mr. Worf" 
> >
> >  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> > There may be something like that already going on in Hollywood.  
> > There are a
> > number of films that they know as soon as they are green lit that  
> > they will
> > fail. Frankenhood and Soulplane come to mind. There are also others  
> > with
> > white casts that also are made to loose money too. I suspect that  
> > they are
> > being used as a write off. At least I hope that they are. There are  
> > way too
> > many really bad films making it to the scifi channel that have  
> > moderate
> > sized budgets that should have never been made. Like HG Wells War  
> > of the
> > Worlds 1 and 2! (Yes. You read that right. They made two!)
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Daryle Lockhart
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> "Obsessed" is a Black film, actually.
> >> This loophole in finance Uwe has been riding is something Black
> >> filmmakers could/should use to make larger budget films in other  
> >> countries.
> >> There are so many horror scripts that don' t get made in Hollywood  
> >> that
> >> could be getting done in Europe!
> >>
> >> On Jul 5, 2009, at 11:05 AM, ravenadal wrote:
> >>
> >> I am watching something called "In the Name of the King: A Dungeon  
> >> Siege
> >> Tale" on Showtime. The movie stars Jason Statham and the cast  
> >> includes such
> >> stellar actors as Ron ("Hellboy") Perlman, Ray ("Goodfellas")  
> >> Liotta -
> >> shamelessly chewing up scenery as Gallion, the prolific John Rhys- 
> >> Davies,
> >> Burt "Smokey and the Bandit" Reynolds, Claire "Meet Joe Black"  
> >> Forlani,
> >> Leelee ("Deep Impact") Sobieski and Brian J. White ("The Shield,"
> >> "Moonlight") wearing a nasty looking scar as Commander Tarish.
> >>
> >> The movie is directed by German born schlockmiester Uwe Boll, best  
> >> known
> >> for his "BloodRayne" movies.
> >>
> >> I had never heard of this movie so I went to IMDB, Box Office Mojo  
> >> and
> >> Wikipedia and discovered "In the Name of the King" cost $60  
> >> million and
> >> grossed a robust $13 million worldwide. Then I discoverd the first
> >> "BloodRayne" cost $25 million and grossed a whopping $2.42  
> >> million. WTF!
> >>
> >>
> >> Then I discovered that Boll is very successfully manipulating a  
> >> lucrative
> >> loophole in German tax laws. Boll is able to acquire funding  
> >> thanks to
> >> German tax laws that reward investments in film. The law allows  
> >> investors in
> >> German-owned films to write off 100% of their investment as a tax  
> >> deduction;
> >> it also allows them to invest borrowed money and write off any fees
> >> associated with the loan. The investor is then only required to  
> >> pay taxes on
> >> the profits made by the movie; if the movie loses money, the  
> >> investor gets a
> >> tax writeoff.
> >>
> >> Imagine, thought I, if black filmmakers were able to exploit such a
> >> loophole? Everybody KNOWS black films don't make money. What an  
> >> excellent
> >> opportunity to make all the black epics everyone dreams of but  
> >> nobody dares
> >> risk the money to make.
> >>
> >> What a bonanza! You could hire all the known but under utilized black
> >> actors and actresses - pay them top dollar - WTF? We are TRYING to  
> >> lose
> >> money after all!
> >>
> >> Let Vin Diesel make his "Hannibal." Let Spike Lee make his "Tuskegee
> >> Airmen." Let the Hughes Brothers make whatever they want. Hell,  
> >> let me film
> >> "The World Ebon." Shoot, I could burn through a coupla hundred  
> >> million
> >> dollars real quick!
> >>
> >> Imagine the mishmash of casts you could come up with! What would  
> >> be your
> >> dream project?
> >>
> >> ~rave!
> >>
> >> http://twitter.com/ravenadal
> >> http://theworldebon.blogspot.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 ye

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Prepare for the Guillermo del Toro Decade

[B. Smith]

Lovecraft's racism have permanently soured me on his work. I know del Toro will 
knock it out of the park but it's a bittersweet feeling.

Drood is an interesting novel but I couldn't plow through it. Dan Simmons has 
caught a case of the bloat. And the crazy but that's a whole different story.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:
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> He's doing Lovecraft...
> 
> (breaks out into the HappyHappyJoyJoy Dance)
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> 
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> 
 From : "ravenadal" 
> 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> Del Toro co-writes vampire movie; wants to film "Drood."
> 
> (Check out the link for the pictures)
> 
> http://oluik.notlong.com
> 
> Prepare for the Guillermo del Toro decade: 'The Hobbit' director is just 
> getting started
> 
> One of the gentle souls in the movie business is Guillermo del Toro, and I 
> always look forward to my interviews with him. This is a longer version of my 
> latest story on Del Toro, which is scheduled to run Thursday on the cover of 
> the Los Angeles Times Calender section. 
> 
> On the far side of the globe, in New Zealand, filmmaker Guillermo del Toro is 
> now in his seventh month of labor on "The Hobbit," a $300-million epic that 
> will be told over two films in 2011 and 2012. But you can also find the 
> Guadalajara native on the shelf of your local bookstore with his 
> just-released debut novel, "The Strain," the opening installment of a vampire 
> trilogy he already has mapped out.
> 
> That's only the beginning. The 44-year-old Del Toro, who was nominated for an 
> Oscar for the dark fairy tale "Pan's Labyrinth" and showed his crowd-pleasing 
> sensibilities with the "Hellboy" films, also has plans to reanimate some 
> musty and monstrous literary classics. He plans to make a "Frankenstein" film 
> as well as an adaptation of H.P. Lovecraft's epic "At the Mountains of 
> Madness," a project he breathlessly refers to as "my obsession."
> 
> He would seem to be a full plate but, interviewed by phone recently, he 
> chuckled and added another project to the pile: "I think after `The Hobbit,' 
> my next project may actually turn out to be `Drood,' " he said, referring to 
> the 2008 novel by Dan Simmons that presents Charles Dickens at the center of 
> an occult mystery in 1860s Victorian London. Those three post-"Hobbit" 
> projects are all for Universal, which also has hopes that Del Toro will 
> continue his library-card approach to filmmaking by taking on 
> "Slaughterhouse-Five," Kurt Vonnegut's surreal antiwar tale of time travel.
> 
> If you're keeping track, that would have Del Toro tied up well past 2015 and 
> perhaps into 2017. He also is flirting with several other projects 
> ("Pinocchio," "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde" and a third "Hellboy" film have been 
> mentioned at various times) but perhaps only as a producer, as with the 
> acclaimed 2007 Spanish ghost story, "The Orphanage." He also wants to write 
> more novels and to join in the increasingly popular quest to discover the 
> land of interactive 21st century storytelling, which lies somewhere between 
> Hollywood films and video games as we know them today.
> 
> It's a dizzying career plan for the father of two (his wife and daughters 
> have moved to New Zealand for "The Hobbit"), but in conversation, it's clear 
> the cheerful storyteller is motivated by his humble, lifelong passion for 
> genre entertainment – he wants to visit the worlds of Tolkien and Shelley, 
> not take them over.
> 
> "I love what I do and I feel honored to do it, quite honestly," Del Toro said.
> 
> Right now, no venture has him more enthused than "The Strain," the 401-page 
> novel that was co-written with Chuck Hogan and released in hardcover this 
> month by William Morrow. The book has gotten generally good reviews (and peer 
> blurbs, too, with novelist Clive Cussler gushing that it "soars with 
> spellbinding intrigue") and fulfills the earliest ambition of Del Toro. As a 
> boy in Mexico, he dreamed of being an author long before filmmaking captured 
> his heart. He already has found one major benefit of being a novelist – the 
> absence of Hollywood machinations.
> 
> "I have written or co-written 15 screenplays and I have only seven movies," 
> said Del Toro. "I find it frustrating when you write a screenplay and it 
> lives, but you don't get it produced – which is a lottery – it exists in a 
> limbo that does not allow it to become public. A filmmaker will never be 
> known by the movies he left in the drawer. Unlike a musician, a painter or a 
> poet, nobody is going to open a box after I'm gone and say, `Oh, look, 
> another great movie that he didn't make.' "
> 
> "The Strain" presents an unsettling tale of a vampiric virus on the loose in 
> New York City. It was about four years ago that the story started taking 
> shape in Del Toro's imaginatio

[scifinoir2] Re: "Warehouse 13" on Now

[B. Smith]

I'll watch this show for it's full run if they give Genelle Williams (the 
innkeeper) gets more screentime. Homina, homina, homina!!!

The first ep wasn't bad either. LOL!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:
>
> Siffy aired it from time to time last year, if memory serves.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
 Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" on Now
> 
 Date : Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:07:08 +
> 
 From : efhay...@...
> 
 To : "SciFiNoir2 mailing list" 
> 
> 
I loved G vs. E. The cable channel Chiller used to show it. That's how I found 
out about it.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> 
> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:03:53 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" on Now
> 
> 
> Hope you don't mind me weighing in here, Keith, to answer this for Fate.
> 
> "G vs E" (aka "Good vs Evil") was a USA series, about -- why don't I let IMdb 
> do the explaining instead?
> 
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0195462/ 
> 
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> 
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>  Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" on Now
>  Date : Tue, 7 Jul 2009 18:52:11 -0700 (PDT)
>  From : Augustus Augustus 
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Keith,
> 
> think i missed that one. what was G v E?
> 
> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Keith Johnson wrote:
> 
> From: Keith Johnson 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" on Now
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 9:37 PM
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Augustus Augustus" 
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 9:22:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" on Now
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> really like the Dresden Files.
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> Fate.
> 
> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Keith Johnson wrote:
> 
> From: Keith Johnson 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] "Warehouse 13" on Now
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 9:14 PM
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>  Anyone watching "Warehouse 13" on the--wait for it, Martin--all new SyFy? 
> I'm just into the first ten minutes, so no way i can make a judgement, but 
> wondered if anyone heard any early buzz on the show? I do recognize a couple 
> of the actors. The lead actress played Jeremiah's traitorous lover on the 
> show of the same name. And the mad scientist guy is memorable as Fajah (sp?), 
> in the TNG ep about a rich dude who collects things, and tries to add Data to 
> his collection.
> As always with Sci--er, SyFy, I'm divided. If the show sucks, it's another 
> sorry show commissioned by the network. If it's good--and I must admit 
> they've shown some good stuff here and there over the years--I fear it'll be 
> canceled to soon. And when I see a show like this, I must confess it makes me 
> wonder why the likes of "Level 9", "The Dresden Files", and others of this 
> type were canceled. Throw
>  in shows on other stations, like "The Chronicle", "John Doe", "Jake 2.0", 
> and "G vs. E", and you wonder what this show's chances are. Maybe it'll catch 
> on like "Eureka"?
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