Re: SD>NEVER Buy Fel-Pro story (was Another boring question)

2005-02-05 Thread MoparTurbo
For our turbo cars yes Fel-Pro gaskets are horrible, but don't blame the
company, for big blocks people swear by them and are one of the best gaskets
to get. Like all companies they make good products as well as bad ones. Just
ask any Hemi or 440 owner what gasket they prefer.
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To: "sdml" 
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Subject: Re: SD>NEVER Buy Fel-Pro story (was Another boring question)


> > Aftermarket manufacturers are going to stop making 2, 3 or 4 gaskets for
the
> > same engine once the engine is out of production for some period of time
> > (unless it is some specialty engine/head).
> >
> > The last Fel-Pro gasket I saw (a couple months ago), looked very similar
to
> > the Mopar Performance gasket I put on my car, if not exactly the same.
Same
> > thickness, same amount of metal around the cylinders, etc.  I would not
doubt
> > that a 2005 Fel-Pro gasket would be fine, but, I know, for $20 ... why
not get
> > the MP one?
>
> Let me tell you a story so to say,
>
> I was working on a brand X and purchased a Fel-Pro head gasket set. I
> installed the part and gaskets. The vehicle ran for 3 days before it
started
> puking oil and Anti on the ground. Tore it back down to find a terrible
> sight. The intake gasket had failed and filled the motor full on
antifreeze,
> and ruined the motor. The worst part is that it was a friends vehicle, and
> he is not mechanically inclined.
>
> I compared the factory gasket to the Fel-Pro one and they were really
> different. The factory gasket had built in intake end seals the Fel-Pro
did
> not and they expected a 3/8 of an inch bead the seal the ends on the
intake
> manifold. When I called them on it they said the gasket had to be
installed
> wrong, because their gaskets were as good as the factory gaskets.
>
> The moral to the story is I will never buy Fel-Pro gaskets again, The best
> gaskets are the factory gakets.
>
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SD> RE: Fel Pro Gaskets

2005-02-05 Thread Lou Renzo
I haven't had the need to replace a head gasket yet on my Turbo Dodge but I've
used nothing but Fel Pro's on my 340 Duster for years. Not one single problem.
Why would they work so well on V8s and so poorly on turbo cars?

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SD> Re: Camshafts, 89 vs Taft vs S60

2005-02-05 Thread Dennis D'Spain
I think I would recalibrate or get a different computer and if all else
fails paint the valve white.

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SD> headgaskets

2005-02-05 Thread Moparmat2000
i am running a fel pro 9296PT with steel shim built right into it on the 
block side on my o ringed 2.2 T ll . i used spray hylomar on both sides of the 
gasket and used ARP head bolts. i feel this gasket is good for the o ringed 
applications. i believe i was recommended this gasket by Gary Donovan. i feel 
this 
to be a really good headgasket for o ringed applications. 

now my 87 turbo beater lebaron with T l non o ringed block is using a MP 005 
headgasket. the head has been welded and resurfaced.  7K miles on this one and 
no problems yet. i have no experiences with the cometic headgaskets so i will 
not comment on those.

a big part is making sure both surfaces are smooth and flat, making sure both 
mating surfaces are clean and dry. using a thread chaser on all the headbolt 
holes to make sure the new headbolts will tighten easily and not bind up 
giving you a false or lower reading on your torque wrench. i use some 30W oil 
on my 
new MP headbolt threads so they dont thread in dry. and dont forget once you 
tighten every headbolt to spec in foot pounds in pattern with your replacement 
headbolts you will need to tighten the headbolts an additional 1/4 turn 
tighter in pattern to get the stretch on the bolt. (ARP head studs do not get 
additional 1/4 turn) 

i have used felpro and MP headgaskets in several 2.2 buildups, and repairs. 
never had one of em pop yet.

just my .02 and some experience
mat

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SD> re: another boring question

2005-02-05 Thread Paul T. Standaert
The best gasket to get is a multi-layer steel (MLS a.k.a. "cometic" head 
gasket).  Its the ultimate in durability.  Lots of engines' designs are not 
engineered to properly utilize an MLS gasket reliably and i'm sure when our 2.2 
/ 2.5's were developed, and MLS gasket was not taken into consideration.  
Doesn't mean it won't work though.  It could be coincidental that the design 
will work perfectly fine with it.  I've been asking around various lists to see 
if anyone has put 10's of thousands of miles on an MLS gasket with a 2.2 / 2.5 
but it doesn't seem that anyone has, at least they haven't gotten back to me.  
It takes lots of thermal cycles and miles to finally make one fail... such as a 
daily driver.  IN race applications it'll last seemingly forever.  I'm sure 
that I'll be one of the first to put such miles on one of these if I can get 
this car road-worthy again this spring.
 
Now, more importantly, the machine work to surface the head and block needs to 
be different than what is acceptable for a generic gasket.  There are different 
"smoothnesses" that can be machined into the surface and its measured in AU's 
or something.  I'm fuzzy on that.  The MLS gasket requires a "smoother" surface 
to be installed on.  Say you were to buy a brand new short block and brand new 
head from mopar that has been surfaced installing an MLS gasket in that 
setup is not a good idea.  The "rough" surface machined into the head and block 
will literally tear the gasket apart in time.  The same thing happens to 
generic gaskets if installed on too rough of a surface.
 
Both Ford and Chrysler have been using MLS gaskets extensively now.  They say, 
that if a head's surface were to become warped, or scratched, etc you need to 
REPLACE it, not re-machine it.  Its both bogus and true because most machine 
shops (especially back yard ones) are not capable of producing the smooth 
surface necessary for the MLS gasket to slide around properly on and will 
result in gasket failure.  But its bogus in that SOME modern shops CAN 
re-produce the proper surface with the proper equipment and there's no reason 
the head cannot be re-used.  That, and you can re-machine it at the back yard 
machine shop and use an aftermarket composite gasket without troubles.
 
How long will it take for a backyard shops' surfacing techniques to cause an 
MLS gasket to fail?  It could be 5,000 miles could be 50,000.  I don't know.  
Just a little nasty food for thought.
 
 

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SD> wheel polisher

2005-02-05 Thread Moparmat2000
i finally got off my dead A$$ this weekend and started work on making my 
aluminum wheel polisher for TD wheels and anyhing else that fits a 5 bolt 100MM 
circle. i had most of the parts scrounged up to do this as freebies. i did have 
to spend some money though. i had to get a 1/2 fan belt, some nuts and bolts, 
a can of spray paint, electric cord, 4" diameter pulley for the motor, and a 
rheostat to adjust the wheel speed. for the stuff i needed to buy i spent about 
$35.00.

this thing will be portable so  it can be stored when not being used. i know 
some of you jack up your cars and let the wheel spin while the car is running 
to polish up the aluminum. i feel this is dangerous for many reasons. i will 
have some pictures of this polisher soon for those of you who may want them to 
make a variation of it for yourselves.

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SD> Flywheels

2005-02-05 Thread Alienchasr
Hi everyone,
 
  A quick question about flywheels both standard and automatic. I know  that 
there are 6 bolt and 8 bolt cranks and flywheels. Do 2.2's and 2.5's  
flywheels interchange? 
 
  Thanks
 
Bob
 
87' Shelby Lancer
87' Turbo Shadow
87' 2.5 LeBaron GTS
92' 2.5 Shadow
94' 2.2 Shadow

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SD> revision to parts for sale

2005-02-05 Thread william j gamalski
I dug alittle deeper and came up with some more parts
2.2-2.5
1 new chrome valve cover w/end seals  50.00
1 new G-head still in the box 400.00 (bare)
or can assm. w/all new parts ,choice of cam 650.00
new "670" 36.8mm (G-head)stainless exhaust valves 5.00ea
new "794"36.8mm +1mm(swirl-head)stainless exhaust valves 5.00ea
1 new 87-88 steel 2.2 T2 crank 300.00 (never installed)
2 new destroke 2.0 billet cranks 500.00 ea.
1 masi. steel crank 150.00
many cast cranks most std/std 50.00 and up
blocks just ask
many used G-heads comp. wo/cam  75.00 and up
new oil deflectors for turbo engines 4.00ea (under oil cap on head)
2.2-2.5 oil pans new and used,stock or baffled 20.00 and up
new and used logic modules,smecs,&sbecs 50.00 and up
new cam blanks 50.00 ea (have ground and  hardened to your specs,wil last
a lot longer than a re grind)
1 new DC shark tail for charger 75.00
1 new DC whale tail 200.00 (fits stock spoiler mounting holes)
2 16" pumpers 1lt&1rt 1never mounted 1mounted alittle dirty(dismounted
now) 80.00pr
1pr 88 shadow es front seats alittle dirty but no wear (grey w/red pin
striping)75.00pr
litureture-sales brouchers,owners manuals,sdac art work etc.ask  
5.00 and up
new charger lock knobs 15.00pr
new chrome turn signal arms and wiper knobs 25.00 set
Neon
1new  B&M shifter 65.00
1 new set stainless valves(DOHC) 1mm larger 130.00
SRT-4 MP blow off convertion 50.00ea
SRT-4 shift knobs and boots 50.00set
1 new Quaife 95-99   800.00
1 new 14x6" alum. polished wheel  60.00
1 new volant cold air intake (under master cylinder) 75.00
misc
2momo seats from aliance gta 75.00pr (great side bolsters)
bill
99 dak R/T,97 integra gsr (wifes), 93 acclaim, 91 spirit R/T, 90 spirit
es, 88 newyorker 2.5 t2, 88 csx-t, 87 glhs #709,86 sc,85 sc , 85 sc mas,
85 glh road racer, 85 turismo 'ugly',3-79 little red exress's,
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SD> Shelby Wheels

2005-02-05 Thread Robert Meier
Brousing Ebay and found these, anyone know what they were for? Also
interesting to note that the box they came in has what looks like the Shelby
Lancer Wheel on it, but the Lancer wasn't out for another 2 years.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4523728373
&category=34209

Robert Meier
Shelby Lancer 249
2001 Neon R/T
1985 GLH T

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SD> WTB - 1989 (G-body) Daytona Shelby coil-over strut kit

2005-02-05 Thread Michael Weary
Had this information once before and lost it... can someone please send the 
vendor again... thanxs in advance

Michael J. Weary
AMSOIL dealer ZO505009
1989 Daytona Shelby
1989 Shelby Dakota #315
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Re: SD> T1 Woes

2005-02-05 Thread Victor Lehtinen
H.  Fuel filter clogged?
Bad HEP?


--- Home <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> beatrice_email_stationaryI have  Lebaron w/ a T1
> that has developed a wierd
> problem.
> 
> It starts fine then runs for about 10 minutes and
> the sputters and dies.  If
> I try to restart it just cranks.   If I let it sit
> for a couple of hours, it
> will start and repeat the same process.
> 
> THe only code I am getting is 12.
> 
> 
> ThanksTim
> 
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Re: SD> Shelby Wheels

2005-02-05 Thread Ed Nickl
Shelby was a sourch of aftermarket wheels back in the late 70s and early 
80s.  I'd bet those are for a Pinto, or Vega.  I know the Vegas (H body) and 
the HS body (Monza,Sunbird,Starfire,Skyhawk) had 4x4" pattern.  But the 
offset looks like a FWD application.  I have heard of people using 4x4" on 
4x100mm.  but I NEVER would.  The custom wheels I had on my 1980 Sunbird had 
oval offset washers and slotted holes in the rim, so they would work with 
100mm or 4".  What is weird is that they are standard patterened wheels, but 
he has metric lugnuts.  Back then I would assume that anything US would have 
had standard studs.
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Subject: SD> Shelby Wheels


Brousing Ebay and found these, anyone know what they were for? Also
interesting to note that the box they came in has what looks like the 
Shelby
Lancer Wheel on it, but the Lancer wasn't out for another 2 years.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4523728373
&category=34209
Robert Meier
Shelby Lancer 249
2001 Neon R/T
1985 GLH T
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RE: SD> Shelby Wheels

2005-02-05 Thread SuperDave
Carroll Shelby Wheels sold several different kinds of wheels, many of
them for Chrysler products.  The wheels in the auction are the Reversed
Daytona model.  They were sold by Direction Connection (now Mopar
Performance) in the 1980's.  Here's a scan from a Direct Connection
catalog and another picture of one wheel:

http://users.waymark.net/superdave/ForSale/NOSShelbyWheels2.jpg
http://users.waymark.net/superdave/ForSale/NOSShelbyWheels1.jpg

I thought it was funny that the auction states, in all caps, that you
will never see another set of these wheels.  I also have a brand new set
just like that complete with hub caps and lug nuts.  I bought them many
years ago because I thought they were really cool.  I'll probably never
user these wheels and am tired of stepping over them.  If you are
interested in a set please let me know!

Dave


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Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 4:42 PM
To: shelby-dodge@sdml.org
Subject: SD> Shelby Wheels

Brousing Ebay and found these, anyone know what they were for? Also
interesting to note that the box they came in has what looks like the
Shelby
Lancer Wheel on it, but the Lancer wasn't out for another 2 years.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4523728373

Robert Meier
Shelby Lancer 249
2001 Neon R/T
1985 GLH T

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Re: SD> Shelby Wheels

2005-02-05 Thread chryguy
I have a set of these same style wheels...
 
Mine are 4 lug, 14"x 6 and they also are brand new,in the box.
 
They are a slick looking wheel in person...I bought them to go on my 85'  600 
ES Convertible,although I think at this point I'm probably leave the pizza's on 
it.
 
Anybody interested in them?
 
Robert, I too thought the wheel on the box looked like a Lancer wheel...
 
 Chryguy


Robert Meier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Brousing Ebay and found these, anyone know what they were for? Also
interesting to note that the box they came in has what looks like the Shelby
Lancer Wheel on it, but the Lancer wasn't out for another 2 years.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4523728373
&category=34209

Robert Meier
Shelby Lancer 249
2001 Neon R/T
1985 GLH T

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RE: SD> Shelby Wheels

2005-02-05 Thread SuperDave
Carroll Shelby Wheels sold several different kinds of wheels, many of
them for Chrysler products.  The wheels in the auction are the Reversed
Daytona model.  They were sold by Direction Connection (now Mopar
Performance) in the 1980's.  Here's a scan from a Direct Connection
catalog and another picture of one wheel:

http://users.waymark.net/superdave/ForSale/NOSShelbyWheels2.jpg
http://users.waymark.net/superdave/ForSale/NOSShelbyWheels1.jpg

I thought it was funny that the auction states, in all caps, that you
will never see another set of these wheels.  I also have a brand new set
just like that complete with hub caps and lug nuts.  I bought them many
years ago because I thought they were really cool.  I'll probably never
user these wheels and am tired of stepping over them.  If you are
interested in a set please let me know!

Dave

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RE: SD> Shelby Wheels

2005-02-05 Thread SuperDave
For some reason this isn't making it through the filters so I'll split
it in two to see which half is causing it...

Carroll Shelby Wheels sold several different kinds of wheels, many of
them for Chrysler products.  The wheels in the auction are the Reversed
Daytona model.  They were sold by Direction Connection (now Mopar
Performance) in the 1980's.  Here's a scan from a Direct Connection
catalog and another picture of one wheel:

http://users.waymark.net/superdave/ForSale/NOSShelbyWheels2.jpg
http://users.waymark.net/superdave/ForSale/NOSShelbyWheels1.jpg

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RE: SD> Shelby Wheels

2005-02-05 Thread SuperDave
Those could be 4x100 made for a Chrysler FWD vehicle.  My set is...

Dave


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Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 5:46 PM
To: Robert Meier; shelby-dodge@sdml.org
Subject: Re: SD> Shelby Wheels

Shelby was a sourch of aftermarket wheels back in the late 70s and early

80s.  I'd bet those are for a Pinto, or Vega.  I know the Vegas (H body)
and 
the HS body (Monza,Sunbird,Starfire,Skyhawk) had 4x4" pattern.  But the 
offset looks like a FWD application.  I have heard of people using 4x4"
on 
4x100mm.  but I NEVER would.  The custom wheels I had on my 1980 Sunbird
had 
oval offset washers and slotted holes in the rim, so they would work
with 
100mm or 4".  What is weird is that they are standard patterened wheels,
but 
he has metric lugnuts.  Back then I would assume that anything US would
have 
had standard studs. 

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SD> Code 13, why???

2005-02-05 Thread Brian Schulteis
Strange problem here... My Daytona is popping up an error 13. Map
sensor problem. Seems to be BARO related, as I put a meter on the baro
solenoid, and it never dips. Seems like the problem happens right when
the computer would be checking the baro. Start it up, run for a
minute, maybe less, and then the computer triggers the error and the
light comes on. I know I should get a code 37 not a 13 with a baro
problem, but the map sensor is reading just fine. I can backprobe the
pins on the SMEC connector. The map sensor voltage is exactly what it
should be. And the baro voltage never drops like it should when the
computer checks, not even when first turning on the key.
Suggestions? Or just tell me like it is.. It's a smoked transistor on
the SMEC and that SMEC is dead unless I can miraculously figure out
which one it is.

-- 
Brian J. Schulteis
Bremerton, Washington
'85 Shelby Charger (resto project 25% done)
'88 Chrysler Lebarron Convertible (J body)
'88 Daytona Pacifica (Intercooled 2.5L daily driver)

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Re: SD>Another boring question

2005-02-05 Thread Ed Dreistadt
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:49:47 -0600
From: "Ryan Lada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SD>Another boring question
I just used a fel-pro gasket on my van. 

I have a question relating to head gaskets:  has anyone ever used a 
Victor head gasket?  The machine shop I used when I lived in Raleigh 
swore by them.  I used one of their 2.0 head gaskets when the one on my 
Stratus was letting oil ooze down the back of the block and it was a 
slick 2-piece steel sandwhich design that let the head and block expand 
at different rates without causing leaks.

I have a leftover 2.2L Victor head gasket in the garage (I used the 
Mopar Performance one when I last had the head off) and was wondering if 
it would work for when I pop the head to re-ring the pistons and put on 
some decent turbo oil and cooling lines.

http://engineparts.com/products/ghome.htm
Anyone familiar with these?
-Ed
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Re: SD> Code 13, why???

2005-02-05 Thread Brian Schulteis
Solved it, stupid mistake. Future note.. When you plumb the wastegate
directly into the manifold without a restrictor, find another line
besides the one that goes to the MAP.. The wastegate can was dampening
the signal enough that the computer was having issues with it. I just
had to do some more troubleshooting. :)


On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:17:05 -0800, Brian Schulteis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Strange problem here... My Daytona is popping up an error 13. Map
> sensor problem. Seems to be BARO related, as I put a meter on the baro
> solenoid, and it never dips. Seems like the problem happens right when
> the computer would be checking the baro. Start it up, run for a
> minute, maybe less, and then the computer triggers the error and the
> light comes on. I know I should get a code 37 not a 13 with a baro
> problem, but the map sensor is reading just fine. I can backprobe the
> pins on the SMEC connector. The map sensor voltage is exactly what it
> should be. And the baro voltage never drops like it should when the
> computer checks, not even when first turning on the key.
> Suggestions? Or just tell me like it is.. It's a smoked transistor on
> the SMEC and that SMEC is dead unless I can miraculously figure out
> which one it is.
> 
> --
> Brian J. Schulteis
> Bremerton, Washington
> '85 Shelby Charger (resto project 25% done)
> '88 Chrysler Lebarron Convertible (J body)
> '88 Daytona Pacifica (Intercooled 2.5L daily driver)
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Bremerton, Washington
'85 Shelby Charger (resto project 25% done)
'88 Chrysler Lebarron Convertible (J body)
'88 Daytona Pacifica (Intercooled 2.5L daily driver)

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Re: SD> Hurst shifter for L body

2005-02-05 Thread Shmedley99
These are not very easy to find. I have one and have been pondering 
selling it. shoot me an email if you are interested




In a message dated 2/4/2005 19:02:18  Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Writes:

Guys,
Does any one know where I can find a Hurst stick for an L body?  I read in a 
Dodge Performance book for the 2.2 engines that there was such a shifter 
(P4120970).  There was a Mopar Performance Shift linkage kit (P4349051) too.  
These 
are very old parts - would anyone know if somebody might still have these 
Collecting dust on shelves somewhere?  
Also, would JUST a stick to a 79-80 Omni fit on a 86 Omni?  

Mike D'Antonio - 86 Omni GLH, 91 Spirit RT

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Re: SD> Hurst shifter for L body

2005-02-05 Thread Mike Fisher
Whats the difference in it and the standard shifter?  I didnt know there 
was a Hurst shifter for L-Bodies...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   These are not very easy to find. I have one and have been pondering 
selling it. shoot me an email if you are interested


In a message dated 2/4/2005 19:02:18  Central Standard Time, 
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Guys,
Does any one know where I can find a Hurst stick for an L body?  I read in a 
Dodge Performance book for the 2.2 engines that there was such a shifter 
(P4120970).  There was a Mopar Performance Shift linkage kit (P4349051) too.  
These 
are very old parts - would anyone know if somebody might still have these 
Collecting dust on shelves somewhere?  
Also, would JUST a stick to a 79-80 Omni fit on a 86 Omni?  

Mike D'Antonio - 86 Omni GLH, 91 Spirit RT
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SD>Which Throttle cable to use?

2005-02-05 Thread Mike Fisher
Ok, one more T1 to T2 conversion question.  What throttle cable should I 
use on my 85 SC when doing my conversion?  Do I need a GLHS cable, or 
will a Daytona or similar cable work?  Thanks!

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Re: SD>Which Throttle cable to use?

2005-02-05 Thread Brian Schulteis
I used a Daytona cable on my '83 SC. Worked fine. I had a friend that
used a GLHS cable on her car and the cable (not the sheething) was WAY
too long. Luckily I tracked down a throttle bracket from a 2piece TB,
and it spaced the cable farther (the proper distance) from the
throttle. :)
-- 
Brian J. Schulteis
Bremerton, Washington
'85 Shelby Charger (resto project 25% done)
'88 Chrysler Lebaron Convertible (J body)
'88 Daytona Pacifica (Intercooled 2.5L daily driver)

On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 22:35:28 -0600, Mike Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok, one more T1 to T2 conversion question.  What throttle cable should I
> use on my 85 SC when doing my conversion?  Do I need a GLHS cable, or
> will a Daytona or similar cable work?  Thanks!

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SD> Re: Another Boring question

2005-02-05 Thread Twd1769
I have used the Felpro gaskets on my turbo minivan and my 86  Glhs turbo that 
is also O ringed. Because of the metal backing it works really  well with O 
rings. It also has cross drilled holes too wich my Omni has . It may  not be as 
strong as the COMETIC or what ever it's called gasket , but I think of  the 
gasket as a fusable link of sorts as I would much rather the head gasket to  
blow first before a piston,,rod bearing etc. 
Sato

Subject:  Re: SD>Another boring question

I just used a fel-pro gasket on my  van. It appears different then the 
previous fel-pro gaskets I have seen.  This new style has a gasket type 
material on top and a metal material on  the bottom, Not like the previous 
silver gaskets I have seen in the past  from fel-pro. I used it because I 
could get it the day I needed it instead  of waiting 2 days for the dealer.
Ryan Lada

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Re: SD> T1 Woes

2005-02-05 Thread Mike Fisher
I'd put a fuel pressure gauge on it and see what it does as it runs.  
I'd bet it gets lower and lower until it quits.  Just a thought.

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beatrice_email_stationaryI have  Lebaron w/ a T1 that has developed a wierd
problem.
It starts fine then runs for about 10 minutes and the sputters and dies.  If
I try to restart it just cranks.   If I let it sit for a couple of hours, it
will start and repeat the same process.
THe only code I am getting is 12.
ThanksTim
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Re: SD> Code 13, why???

2005-02-05 Thread Victor Lehtinen
Check for vac hose leaks?   Also ground wires?



--- Brian Schulteis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Strange problem here... My Daytona is popping up an
> error 13. Map
> sensor problem. Seems to be BARO related, as I put a
> meter on the baro
> solenoid, and it never dips. Seems like the problem
> happens right when
> the computer would be checking the baro. Start it
> up, run for a
> minute, maybe less, and then the computer triggers
> the error and the
> light comes on. I know I should get a code 37 not a
> 13 with a baro
> problem, but the map sensor is reading just fine. I
> can backprobe the
> pins on the SMEC connector. The map sensor voltage
> is exactly what it
> should be. And the baro voltage never drops like it
> should when the
> computer checks, not even when first turning on the
> key.
> Suggestions? Or just tell me like it is.. It's a
> smoked transistor on
> the SMEC and that SMEC is dead unless I can
> miraculously figure out
> which one it is.
> 
> -- 
> Brian J. Schulteis
> Bremerton, Washington
> '85 Shelby Charger (resto project 25% done)
> '88 Chrysler Lebarron Convertible (J body)
> '88 Daytona Pacifica (Intercooled 2.5L daily driver)
> 
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