Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.
Now the new vaccine patches are in. You don't know confusion. No you don't sew the patch on with a needle, and no it is not a pad to sop up a spill from the vaccine swig. =z= =z= The novelist, journalist and psychologist Michael Zangari http://zangarijournalism.com - Original Message From: Ode Coyote To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 12:08:20 PM Subject: Re: CS>Vaccines and autism. STILL don't know the difference between an oral vaccine and a shot in the arm? You eat dinner with a hypodermic I suppose. Ode At 04:14 PM 6/15/2008 -0400, you wrote: >Removing mercury and adding aspartame doesn't change a thing in the >vaccines. If anything it makes them more toxic, from one neuro-toxin to >the other. What in the world would be the point of adding a "sweetener" to >something that is administered to your bloodstream?? Vaccines are nothing >more than poulation/mind control/eugenics, that's what they're all about. > >Kurt -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.
Possibly so, but that's a diferent subject with a whole different set of approaches. "Autism" is one thing with a cause and maybe many triggers, toxic damage is another much more direct bugaboo. But it has been proven that the *amount* of toxins in a vaccine doesn't do anything to trigger Autism as eliminating them did not affect the rates one little bit. Eliminating the toxins is still not a bad idea, but for other reasons...but CAN they be eliminated to an affect with environmental load being many times that of what may be in a vaccine. If you turn off your flashlight while standing under a flood light, sure, it'll save some power and if you don't need it for something else, why not?. but it's still pretty darned bright in that place. This would be interesting, if true. But, yes it does seem like we people like to hang our hats on something anything, to give us direction, purpose and make our life seem more meaningful.But it is clear that there is a huge increase in autism and many other neurological symptoms that are probably due to toxic insults. I do think parents have to have some common sense and really look at what they *want* for their children. No child should have ANY vaccine of any kind when that child has a fever, or even a little cold. And as for giving a whole slew of them at once, that is because the experts expect that the poorer parents, and the parents who do not want to be bothered, will only show up for one appt, instead of a half dozen, which is the way it used to be done. The decisions made in the so called interest of Public Health have been shown in my experience to be contrary to the interest of my children. One must stand up for themselves these days, and refuse to cede their authority to someone who may not have their child's best interest at heart (nearly everyone else besides the parents). ## With judgement comes consequences. If you feel qualified to judge, then judge, but if you are wrong, there be consequences same as if someone else does the deciding...but no one to blame. There probably IS no "right" way with no two people being the same. Public Health doesn't have the capacity to make individual judgments...it's public. Its job is to take up the slack for slackers, but also can't define them very well..so you stand up and identify yourself...well done. Always best to err on the side of caution. [Doesn't mean you'll win, just increases the odds that you won't lose as much as fast] No easy answers...no "safe" way. Virtually everyone gets away with the single visit..some don't. It would be nice to know before hand who that is and what day to miss...and that day may be coming. But pinning a tail on the wrong donkey in a herd of donkeys going different directions, won't get us there. ..lots of hooves going in circles trampling everything. Ode kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1505 - Release Date: 6/16/2008 7:20 AM
Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.
On Jun 16, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: "Recently the government's vaccine court conceded the case of Hannah Poling, admitting that vaccines triggered her regression into autism by exacerbating mitochondrial dysfunction" Read what it "says" rather than what you want it to mean. The common factor that contains ALL the other conditions in *humans* is the effects of a given *vaccine* COUPLED WITH "mitochondrial dysfunction". The next question is: Since eliminating toxins made absolutely-no-difference, does going *unvaccinated* eliminate Autism? That does NOT mean that toxins shouldn't be eliminated for other reasons not relevant to "Autism". That's another "stand alone" consideration. They did not eliminated the toxins, just ruled out the mercury as the cause. There is some other effect on the toxicological system that is involved. There have been many studies since the 70's showing how severly affected autistic children are to environmental toxins. And it is well known that in most people, an additive effect occurs, possibly from toxic damage, also from poisons in the food supply. The Genetic Engineering Experiment has introduced so many into the general food supply that it compromises the integrity of many other experiments, since it is probably not controlled for. Plus "mitochondrial dysfunction" is most likely hereditary as a combination of recessive genes, so who should and shouldn't replicate could be an important factor in not visiting the likelihood of Autism on their children. Do YOU care enough about children to make good strong ones? Or would you rather just blame the problems that weak ones have on the irrelevant while NOT doing what CAN be done. I disagree. Mitochondrial dysfunction can result from poisoning in most people. It is why they put certain things in biological weapons- it is to wreak havok on the enemy's population, to further weaken them, in theory. If it did not maim and kill, would not be much point to the exercise. When the military is touting the effects of T2 to kill, you hear one thing, when it is the CDC, trying to calm fears of permanent damage from mold toxins (which include T2) you hear the opposite. There may be a genetic factor in some people, but it has to be very common or it would be worthless as a weapon. It, like cycle cell anemia, could probably be eliminated from the gene pool by screening, parental self control and wise choices..but since when were the majority of parents acting wisely when having children any more than insisting [despite very strong evidence to the contrary ] on blaming the wrong thing for a problem and being surprised when eliminating that ...does NOTHING to change ANYTHING, yet still insist that's IT. This would be interesting, if true. But, yes it does seem like we people like to hang our hats on something anything, to give us direction, purpose and make our life seem more meaningful.But it is clear that there is a huge increase in autism and many other neurological symptoms that are probably due to toxic insults. OK, apply all efforts to being right over solving a serious problem. If it doesn't work, do it harder to someone else. [Earth Motto] Good luck..have fun with that. I'll be quitely watching where I walk. "To date, the CDC has conducted no safety testing on the possible harmful effects of simultaneously administering multiple vaccines to infants,...[tests that might actually tell something have yet to be developed and tests that say nothing are pointless. I do think parents have to have some common sense and really look at what they *want* for their children. No child should have ANY vaccine of any kind when that child has a fever, or even a little cold. And as for giving a whole slew of them at once, that is because the experts expect that the poorer parents, and the parents who do not want to be bothered, will only show up for one appt, instead of a half dozen, which is the way it used to be done. The decisions made in the so called interest of Public Health have been shown in my experience to be contrary to the interest of my children. One must stand up for themselves these days, and refuse to cede their authority to someone who may not have their child's best interest at heart (nearly everyone else besides the parents). kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.
STILL don't know the difference between an oral vaccine and a shot in the arm? You eat dinner with a hypodermic I suppose. Ode At 04:14 PM 6/15/2008 -0400, you wrote: Removing mercury and adding aspartame doesn't change a thing in the vaccines. If anything it makes them more toxic, from one neuro-toxin to the other. What in the world would be the point of adding a "sweetener" to something that is administered to your bloodstream?? Vaccines are nothing more than poulation/mind control/eugenics, that's what they're all about. Kurt -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.
Ever seen what salt does to slugs? If you ignore context, anything can be used to prove anything. ..and this is your brains on fried eggs. [never mind that hot pan with the blue flamey stuff under it] Your skull is teflon coated and your head eggs won't stick to it, scrambled or not. ..and never use a steel spatula to scrape your brains out..it'll scratch the pan, making your skull usless. Ode At 05:28 PM 6/15/2008 +0100, you wrote: I didn't think it said this at all. I thought it didn't dismiss this but that the whole vaccine thing needed to be more thoroughly researched, with *all* its components. Being that mercury is a neurotoxin I still think that the most likely cause. Have you seen the Mercola video where it shows mercury destroying nerve cells in a slug? Dee ---Original Message--- From: <mailto:clay...@skypoint.com>Clayton Family Date: 06/15/08 16:17:58 To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Vaccines and autism. The point was that it is not the mercury that is causing the problems. On Jun 15, 2008, at 8:21 AM, bbanever wrote: No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1504 - Release Date: 6/15/2008 5:52 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.
"Recently the government's vaccine court conceded the case of Hannah Poling, admitting that vaccines triggered her regression into autism by exacerbating mitochondrial dysfunction" Read what it "says" rather than what you want it to mean. IOW it is "mitochondrial dysfunction" that was the *cause* and a vaccine the *trigger* for that cause, regardless of Mercury or Aluminum content, therefore, the "mercury" was neither cause nor trigger...further indicated by other studies of both vaccinated and unvaccinated control subjects where mercury levels were the same in both from environmental loads [And Aluminum is completely unavoidable, being the 3rd most common element on the planet] If mitochondrial dysfunction is common to monkeys [IOW, not necessarily a dysfunction FOR "monkeys" but part of their common genetic structure ], a human vaccine would naturally trigger more Autistic signs, proving nothing about "humans", but much about susceptible genetic conditions that both humans and monkeys can have. If anything, it all means "Don't vaccinate monkeys", they won't commonly tolerate it OR. certain uncommon children who share that condition with a common monkey. The common factor that contains ALL the other conditions in *humans* is the effects of a given *vaccine* COUPLED WITH "mitochondrial dysfunction". The next question is: Since eliminating toxins made absolutely-no-difference, does going *unvaccinated* eliminate Autism? That does NOT mean that toxins shouldn't be eliminated for other reasons not relevant to "Autism". That's another "stand alone" consideration. If catching the disease that the vaccine prevents has the same effect as the vaccine, then the answer is no...BUT..everyone else being vaccinated will interrupt a disease vector and that childs odds of ever contracting that disease will be greatly diminished. Therefore NOT vaccinating *certain* people will prevent Autism BY vaccinating other people. Therefore, the answer to the problem of CAUSE [vs triggers ] is to develop genetic screening tests to determine who should and who shouldn't be vaccinated. Studying "mitochondrial dysfunction" in both humans AND monkeys will lead to those tests being possible...and that IS relevant. Blaming non triggers won't do a danged thing but make screamers feel justified about not using their heads and make people who can add two and two together and not wind up with minus 12 shake theirs in dismay. Knowing what triggers what, in who, can lead to avoiding triggers, EVEN IF actual *causation* can't be avoided. Plus "mitochondrial dysfunction" is most likely hereditary as a combination of recessive genes, so who should and shouldn't replicate could be an important factor in not visiting the likelihood of Autism on their children. Do YOU care enough about children to make good strong ones? Or would you rather just blame the problems that weak ones have on the irrelevant while NOT doing what CAN be done. It, like cycle cell anemia, could probably be eliminated from the gene pool by screening, parental self control and wise choices..but since when were the majority of parents acting wisely when having children any more than insisting [despite very strong evidence to the contrary ] on blaming the wrong thing for a problem and being surprised when eliminating that ...does NOTHING to change ANYTHING, yet still insist that's IT. Obviously, some would prefer a scape goat to barbecue, over a solution that requires considered responsible action on their own parts where something can "actually be done" when making ANY sort of noise cannot solve the wrong problem. An easy way out, to total failure and helplessness.but gee, mindless anger expressed "feels like" work and golly, it IS work..digging a below sea level ditch to the ocean. If you get there you'll drown, but at least you got tired and sweaty with lots of other people in that ditch for the right company. ..or consuming electricity made by Mercury [by the annual tons ] spewing power plants, for that matter while worrying madly about how many Tuna Fish sandwiches you eat. [ Proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be Irrelevant* to Autism rates, but still a nasty toxin.] ..or being stuck with a gas guzzler because you didn't notice the inevitable future and didn't buy the small car when you could have, then can't because you didn't, so its' the Automakers fault for not making something that doesn't sell when NO automaker can do that and stay in business to sell anything at all. That's like avoiding speeding cars by stepping in front of trains and blaming tracks for injuries while ignoring the differences in mass and inertia common to both situations...and attacking "the powers that be physics" by going SPLAT ...very loudly in protest. OK, apply all efforts to being right over solving a serious problem. If it doesn't work, do it harder to someone else. [Eart
RE: CS>Vaccines and autism. -- Vets and multi-shots
I'm sure it does. I worked in a vets and saw many vaccine damaged animals.
Some collapsed there and then in the surgery ('Oh, its because its
frightened!') or a few months later it would develop pancreatitis or its
skin would erupt, or it would get encephalitis, ('Oh, it's nothing to do
with the vaccine!') said the vet! Dee PS I think we are now dangerously
close to incurring Mikes displeasure over this issue, so I'd better shut up!
---Original Message---
From: Judy Knowlton
Date: 15/06/2008 18:43:00
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Vaccines and autism. -- Vets and multi-shots
A friend took her English Spaniel to the Vets, who gave ALL shots on the
same visit.
The dog became very ill, lethargic, changed personality, I think a blood
disease -- etc. The animal seemed totally overwhelmed. The Vet said not to
breed her anymore (shed had only one litter.) Soon after, he told her that
this was becoming a somewhat common problem, and Vets were discussing
dropping the practice of multi-shots at a single visit. Her Vet already has
stopped. (Hes my cats doctor too, so I know the truth of that.)
I wonder if this isnt something that needs to be researched in children.
Judy Down Maine
Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.
I'm sure that mercury plays a big part is many of the cases that develop. It is a potent neurotoxin that permeates the blood brain barrier. Of course, other ingredients such as aluminum and formaldehyde, or evey aspartame, can cause systemic neurological disease. A bad immune response can cause swelling of the brain too... not to mention other auto-immune diseases which are too numerous to mention. Vaccines are dangerous, period. - Original Message - From: "Clayton Family" To: Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 8:17 AM Subject: Re: CS>Vaccines and autism. The point was that it is not the mercury that is causing the problems. On Jun 15, 2008, at 8:21 AM, bbanever wrote: This one's for Ode, INFANT PRIMATES GIVEN VACCINES ON U.S. CHILDREN'S IMMUNIZATION SCHEDULE DEVELOP BEHAVIORAL SYMPTOMS OF AUTISM _http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/press051908.php_ (http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/press051908.php) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.
Removing mercury and adding aspartame doesn't change a thing in the vaccines. If anything it makes them more toxic, from one neuro-toxin to the other. What in the world would be the point of adding a "sweetener" to something that is administered to your bloodstream?? Vaccines are nothing more than poulation/mind control/eugenics, that's what they're all about. Kurt Clayton Family wrote: > there was a very good study looking at the mercury connection, and it > was ruled out. There are people that have reactions to the thimerosol > (mercury) in the vaccines, but that is not necessarily the same thing. > There are a whole ton of things that are poisonous to the nervous > system, and there may be several different ones in any given vaccine. > Mercury is only one possibility. > > Mercury is definitely poisonous, and neurotoxic. That does not mean > that it is the main problem. > > On Jun 15, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Dee wrote: > > > I didn't think it said this at all. I thought it didn't dismiss this > > but that the whole vaccine thing needed to be more thoroughly > > researched, with *all* its components. Being that mercury is a > > neurotoxin I still think that the most likely cause. Have you seen > > the Mercola video where it shows mercury destroying nerve cells in a > > slug? Dee > > > > ---Original Message--- > > > > From: Clayton Family > > Date: 06/15/08 16:17:58 > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: CS>Vaccines and autism. > > > > The point was that it is not the mercury that is causing the problems. > > > > On Jun 15, 2008, at 8:21 AM, bbanever wrote: > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.
there was a very good study looking at the mercury connection, and it was ruled out. There are people that have reactions to the thimerosol (mercury) in the vaccines, but that is not necessarily the same thing. There are a whole ton of things that are poisonous to the nervous system, and there may be several different ones in any given vaccine. Mercury is only one possibility. Mercury is definitely poisonous, and neurotoxic. That does not mean that it is the main problem. On Jun 15, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Dee wrote: I didn't think it said this at all. I thought it didn't dismiss this but that the whole vaccine thing needed to be more thoroughly researched, with *all* its components. Being that mercury is a neurotoxin I still think that the most likely cause. Have you seen the Mercola video where it shows mercury destroying nerve cells in a slug? Dee ---Original Message--- From: Clayton Family Date: 06/15/08 16:17:58 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Vaccines and autism. The point was that it is not the mercury that is causing the problems. On Jun 15, 2008, at 8:21 AM, bbanever wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Vaccines and autism. -- Vets and multi-shots
A friend took her English Spaniel to the Vets, who gave ALL shots on the same visit. The dog became very ill, lethargic, changed personality, I think a blood disease -- etc. The animal seemed totally overwhelmed. The Vet said not to breed her anymore (shed had only one litter.) Soon after, he told her that this was becoming a somewhat common problem, and Vets were discussing dropping the practice of multi-shots at a single visit. Her Vet already has stopped. (Hes my cats doctor too, so I know the truth of that.) I wonder if this isnt something that needs to be researched in children. Judy Down Maine -Original Message- From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:28 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Vaccines and autism. I didn't think it said this at all. I thought it didn't dismiss this but that the whole vaccine thing needed to be more thoroughly researched, with *all* its components. Being that mercury is a neurotoxin I still think that the most likely cause. Have you seen the Mercola video where it shows mercury destroying nerve cells in a slug? Dee ---Original Message--- From: Clayton Family <mailto:clay...@skypoint.com> Date: 06/15/08 16:17:58 To: silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: CS>Vaccines and autism. The point was that it is not the mercury that is causing the problems. On Jun 15, 2008, at 8:21 AM, bbanever wrote:
Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.
I didn't think it said this at all. I thought it didn't dismiss this but that the whole vaccine thing needed to be more thoroughly researched, with *all* its components. Being that mercury is a neurotoxin I still think that the most likely cause. Have you seen the Mercola video where it shows mercury destroying nerve cells in a slug? Dee ---Original Message--- From: Clayton Family Date: 06/15/08 16:17:58 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Vaccines and autism. The point was that it is not the mercury that is causing the problems. On Jun 15, 2008, at 8:21 AM, bbanever wrote:
Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.
The point was that it is not the mercury that is causing the problems. On Jun 15, 2008, at 8:21 AM, bbanever wrote: This one's for Ode, INFANT PRIMATES GIVEN VACCINES ON U.S. CHILDREN'S IMMUNIZATION SCHEDULE DEVELOP BEHAVIORAL SYMPTOMS OF AUTISM _http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/press051908.php_ (http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/press051908.php) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
