Re: [singularity] Vinge & Goerzel = Uplift Academy's Good Ancestor Principle Workshop 2007

[Anna Taylor]

Ben wrote:
That doesn't mean they couldn't have some smart staff who shifted
research interest to AGI after moving to Google, but it doesn't seem
tremendously likely.

I don't agree.  Google is a form of research engine that enables
information in grose load.  How you "decyfer" it, is up to the
individual.
Having the advantage of learning about so many new interests may lead
to new conclusive ideas.

Ben:
I don't have the impression they are funding a lot of blue-sky AGI ...

I would have to agree but I think they will become more wise regarding
the "how important research is regarding AGI."

Ben wrote:
So, my opinion remains that: Google staff described as working on "AI"
are almost surely working on clever variants of highly scalable
statistical language processing.   So, if you believe that this kind of
work is likely to lead to powerful AGI, then yeah, you should attach a
fairly high probability to the outcome that Google will create AGI.
Personally I think it's very unlikely (though not impossible) that AGI
is going to emerge via this route.

I think an AGI will be a mix of both a Google staff as well as a
working clever variant.

Thanks
Anna:)




On 2/19/07, Shane Legg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I saw a talk about a year or two ago where one of the Google founders was
asked if they had projects to build general purpose artificial intelligence.
He answered that they did not have such a project at the company level,
however they did have many AI people in the company, some of whom where
interested in this kind of thing.  Indeed a few people were playing around
with
such projects as part of their 20% free time in the company.

Shane

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[singularity] Poll = AGI Motivation / Life Extension?

[Joel Pitt]

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From: Joel Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Feb 19, 2007 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [singularity] Poll = AGI Motivation / Life Extension?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hi Bruce,

I believe life is all about seeking experience.

So my belief is that the singularity a) enables us to have
longer/indefinite life spans with which to experience more. b) will
allow us to experience so much more than our current human senses
allow us.

Of course I also think AGI is an amazing puzzle and will answer
questions (and raise new ones) about self awareness, consciousness and
intelligence. I also believe that humanity is currently heading
towards collapse if some major changes don't happen soon - so if the
singularity can help us survive I'm all for it! :)

In summary I'd say life extension is only 25% of my interest in it.

Hope that helps,

Joel

On 2/19/07, Bruce Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 In June 2006, I started a topic called "Viability of AGI for Life Extension
& Singularity" which grew to 252 posts. Lively discussion, including updates
on Novamente here:
 http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=11197

 Along these lines, I was wondering the general motivation / attitude of
[singularity] list subscribers toward AGI as it relates to Life Extension.
If interested, please answer:

 My Life Extension motivation is...
 - 100% of the reason why I'm interested in AGI+Singularity
 - somewhere between 0 and 100%

 AND / OR

 I'm interested in AGI+Singularity because I...
 -  find AGI an interesting puzzle
 -  want to save the world
 -  want to 

 Thanks for playing!
 Bruce


 
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Re: [singularity] Vinge & Goerzel = Uplift Academy's Good Ancestor Principle Workshop 2007

[Shane Legg]

I saw a talk about a year or two ago where one of the Google founders was
asked if they had projects to build general purpose artificial intelligence.
He answered that they did not have such a project at the company level,
however they did have many AI people in the company, some of whom where
interested in this kind of thing.  Indeed a few people were playing around
with
such projects as part of their 20% free time in the company.

Shane

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Re: [singularity] Poll = AGI Motivation / Life Extension?

[Bruce Klein]

For this AGI Poll, you can reply to this list or back to me 
privately/directly (bruce -at- novamente.net).  If you reply to me, 
please let me know what info. I can use when replying back to the list 
as I will create a summary of the AGI Poll results.


Thanks,
Bruce

Bruce Klein wrote:
In June 2006, I started a topic called "Viability of AGI for Life 
Extension & Singularity" which grew to 252 posts. Lively discussion, 
including updates on Novamente here:

http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=11197

Along these lines, I was wondering the general motivation / attitude 
of [singularity] list subscribers toward AGI as it relates to Life 
Extension.  If interested, please answer:


*My **Life Extension **motivation is...*
- 100% of the reason why I'm interested in AGI+Singularity
- somewhere between 0 and 100%

AND / OR

*I'm interested in AGI+Singularity because I... *
-  find AGI an interesting puzzle
-  want to save the world
-  want to 

Thanks for playing!
Bruce



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Re: [singularity] Vinge & Goerzel = Uplift Academy's Good Ancestor Principle Workshop 2007

[Ben Goertzel]

Joshua Fox wrote:

Any comments on this: http://news.com.com/2100-11395_3-6160372.html

Google has been mentioned in the context of  AGI, simply because they 
have money, parallel processing power, excellent people, an 
orientation towards technological innovation, and important narrow AI 
successes and research goals. Do Page's words mean that Google is 
seriously working towards AGI? If so, does anyone know the people 
involved? Do they have a chance and do they understand the need for 
Friendliness?


This topic has come up intermittently over the last few years...

Google can't be counted out, since they have a lot of $$ and machines 
and a lot of smart people.


However, no one has ever pointed out to me a single Google hire with a 
demonstrated history of serious thinking about AGI -- as opposed to 
statistical language processing, machine learning, etc.  

That doesn't mean they couldn't have some smart staff who shifted 
research interest to AGI after moving to Google, but it doesn't seem 
tremendously likely.


Please remember that the reward structure for technical staff within 
Google is as follows: Big bonuses and copious approval go to those who 
do cool stuff that actually gets incorporated in Google's customer 
offerings  I don't have the impression they are funding a lot of 
blue-sky AGI research outside the scope of text search, ad placement, 
and other things related to their biz model.


So, my opinion remains that: Google staff described as working on "AI" 
are almost surely working on clever variants of highly scalable 
statistical language processing.   So, if you believe that this kind of 
work is likely to lead to powerful AGI, then yeah, you should attach a 
fairly high probability to the outcome that Google will create AGI.  
Personally I think it's very unlikely (though not impossible) that AGI 
is going to emerge via this route.


Evidence arguing against this opinion is welcomed ;-)

-- Ben G



Also: Vinge's notes on his Long Now Talk, "What If the Singularity 
Does NOT Happen"  are at   
http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/vinge/longnow/index.htm 



I'm delighted to see counter-Singularity analysis from a respected 
Singularity thinker. This further reassurance that the the flip-side 
is being considered deepens my beliefs in pro-Singularity arguments.


Joshua



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Re: [singularity] Vinge & Goerzel = Uplift Academy's Good Ancestor Principle Workshop 2007

[Joshua Fox]

Any comments on this: http://news.com.com/2100-11395_3-6160372.html

Google has been mentioned in the context of  AGI, simply because they have
money, parallel processing power, excellent people, an orientation towards
technological innovation, and important narrow AI successes and research
goals. Do Page's words mean that Google is seriously working towards AGI? If
so, does anyone know the people involved? Do they have a chance and do they
understand the need for Friendliness?

Also: Vinge's notes on his Long Now Talk, "What If the Singularity Does NOT
Happen"  are at   http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/vinge/longnow/index.htm

I'm delighted to see counter-Singularity analysis from a respected
Singularity thinker. This further reassurance that the the flip-side is
being considered deepens my beliefs in pro-Singularity arguments.

Joshua

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