Re: Thanks! - Advice needed on Stuts versus Struts/Expresso
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But good luck working with Expresso right off the bat. Does anyone in this whole open source world know anything about proper, usable, and useful documentation (sorry - it just gets frustrating; truth is -- I'm probably just an idiot and I hate to admit it.) - Cody Thanks for volunteering. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/getinvolved.html -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA. -- Building Java web applications with Struts. -- Tel +1 585 737-3463. -- Web http://www.husted.com/struts/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Thanks! - Advice needed on Stuts versus Struts/Expresso
Personally I dont know any coders that like to write documentation. Any really good docs produced by a company are most likely by people hired to specifically do that job. Aside from that, if your going to donate time and effort to open source - do you really want to spend this time writing documentation?! besides, what fun would it be with good docs :) -Original Message- From: husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 3:05 PM To: struts-user Subject: Re: Thanks! - Advice needed on Stuts versus Struts/Expresso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But good luck working with Expresso right off the bat. Does anyone in this whole open source world know anything about proper, usable, and useful documentation (sorry - it just gets frustrating; truth is -- I'm probably just an idiot and I hate to admit it.) - Cody Thanks for volunteering. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/getinvolved.html -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA. -- Building Java web applications with Struts. -- Tel +1 585 737-3463. -- Web http://www.husted.com/struts/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Thanks! - Advice needed on Stuts versus Struts/Expresso
Cody: Any and all ideas on how we can make the Expresso doc better *really* will be listened to! Honest! :-) It always lags the code, I think that's the nature of the beast, but the core group are very serious about making the doc as high-quality as the code. We've just upgraded to allow all the core contribs to be able to online edit and upload new doc, which will start to help soon I hope as well. Let us know what we can do better, please! Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 3:00 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re:Thanks! - Advice needed on Stuts versus Struts/Expresso But good luck working with Expresso right off the bat. Does anyone in this whole open source world know anything about proper, usable, and useful documentation (sorry - it just gets frustrating; truth is -- I'm probably just an idiot and I hate to admit it.) - Cody [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/09/2002 12:35:04 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re:Thanks! - Advice needed on Stuts versus Struts/Expresso Thanks everyone for the information on moving to struts. It has been most helpful. Still not sure what I am going to do in the long run, but at the very least I will learn expresso so I can make a more informed decision... I am also going to try to get an answer on if they are planning on keeping pace with struts... Thanks again for a lot of excellent points on this topic. Bill Chmura Ensign-Bickford Industries, Inc. Information Technologies Department -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Thanks! - Advice needed on Stuts versus Struts/Expresso
Well, for starters - First rule of thumb: Always provide one basic generic implementation procedure in step-by-step tutorial format (HelloWorld x2). Is this somewhere? Did I miss this? It is so difficult to open all the configs and try to get an idea of how to build an app, struts integrated, just by studying API's and such. One single little hand-holding tutorial would be all that I would need to get sailing. How important is this? EXTREMELY. When evaluating new solutions, consultants have limited time. If the value of the solution and the way the solution is implemented cannot be clarified briefly and succinctly, the consultant will abandon interest even when the answers may be just around the next corner. I myself have not yet abandoned my interest. With struts, I was able to come to a quick flow sequence because I found tutorials online. I could have never gotten there with the API. Now, I understand the API when I read it. I will make some notes as I continue with my attempts to understand Expresso and will be happy to deliver them if and when I begin to achieve results. Cody Burleson Principal Consultant PwC Consulting Michael Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/09/2002 06:02:48 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: Thanks! - Advice needed on Stuts versus Struts/Expresso Cody: Any and all ideas on how we can make the Expresso doc better *really* will be listened to! Honest! :-) It always lags the code, I think that's the nature of the beast, but the core group are very serious about making the doc as high-quality as the code. We've just upgraded to allow all the core contribs to be able to online edit and upload new doc, which will start to help soon I hope as well. Let us know what we can do better, please! Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 3:00 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re:Thanks! - Advice needed on Stuts versus Struts/Expresso But good luck working with Expresso right off the bat. Does anyone in this whole open source world know anything about proper, usable, and useful documentation (sorry - it just gets frustrating; truth is -- I'm probably just an idiot and I hate to admit it.) - Cody [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/09/2002 12:35:04 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re:Thanks! - Advice needed on Stuts versus Struts/Expresso Thanks everyone for the information on moving to struts. It has been most helpful. Still not sure what I am going to do in the long run, but at the very least I will learn expresso so I can make a more informed decision... I am also going to try to get an answer on if they are planning on keeping pace with struts... Thanks again for a lot of excellent points on this topic. Bill Chmura Ensign-Bickford Industries, Inc. Information Technologies Department -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
