Well, for starters -

First rule of thumb:

Always provide one basic generic implementation procedure in step-by-step
tutorial format (HelloWorld x2).

Is this somewhere?  Did I miss this?  It is so difficult to open all the
configs and try to get an idea of how to build an app, struts integrated,
just by studying API's and such.  One single little hand-holding tutorial
would be all that I would need to get sailing.

How important is this?  EXTREMELY.

When evaluating new solutions, consultants have limited time.  If the value
of the solution and the way the solution is implemented cannot be clarified
briefly and succinctly, the consultant will abandon interest even when the
answers may be just around the next corner.  I myself have not yet
abandoned my interest.  With struts, I was able to come to a quick flow
sequence because I found tutorials online.  I could have never gotten there
with the API.  Now, I understand the API when I read it.

I will make some notes as I continue with my attempts to understand
Expresso and will be happy to deliver them if and when I begin to achieve
results.


Cody Burleson
Principal Consultant
PwC Consulting






Michael Nash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 01/09/2002 06:02:48 PM

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Cody:

Any and all ideas on how we can make the Expresso doc better *really* will
be listened to! Honest! :-)

It always lags the code, I think that's the nature of the beast, but the
core group are very serious about making the doc as high-quality as the
code. We've just upgraded to allow all the core contribs to be able to
online edit and upload new doc, which will start to help soon I hope as
well.

Let us know what we can do better, please!

Mike

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> But good luck working with Expresso right off the bat.  Does
> anyone in this
> whole open source world know anything about proper, usable, and useful
> documentation????
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> (sorry - it just gets frustrating; truth is -->  I'm probably
> just an idiot
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> - Cody
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> Thanks everyone for the information on moving to struts.
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> It has been most helpful.  Still not sure what I am going to do in the
> long run, but at the very least I will learn expresso so I can make a
> more informed decision...
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> I am also going to try to get an answer on if they are planning on
> keeping pace with struts...
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> Thanks again for a lot of excellent points on this topic.
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