Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Moon-9, almost (Re: addons.sugarlabs.org is starting to work)

2009-02-20 Thread Gary C Martin
On 20 Feb 2009, at 17:02, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 17:51, David Farning  
>  wrote:
>> As part of /bin/build.py there is a .js add .css minimizer.  It must
>> be screw up.
>>
>> I think that we need to replace the minimzed .js and .css with
>> upstream's and turn off the minimizer.
>
> It was screwed up because of:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/287035

Thanks Tomeu, I've just got the new Moon-9.xo uploaded, I think I  
managed to find all the necessary boxes, icon, and screen-shot upload  
forms :-)

--Gary

P.S. Planning to get my act together and push out a Sugar Labyrinth  
release for later next week if all goes well.

> Now seems to work fine.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tomeu
>
>> 2009/2/21 Tomeu Vizoso :
>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 08:49, Wade Brainerd   
>>> wrote:
 Yeah, it seems like a lot of the buttons on the site do nothing  
 when clicked
 right now.  I just encountered the same problem.
>>>
>>> Looking at it right now. It works in addons-devel, so I suspect that
>>> the tricks for minimizing access to .js files are breaking  
>>> production.
>>>
>>> Tomeu
>>>
 On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Gary C Martin >>> >
 wrote:
>
> On 18 Feb 2009, at 15:04, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> as the site is becoming more functional, we are in need of  
>> feedback
>> before we direct there the masses.
>>
>> Could activity maintainers register and upload their last  
>> activity
>> bundles? Please try to also upload at least one screenshot, the  
>> site
>> will be much prettier that way ;)
>
> OK giving up for the night :-(
>
> I've merged and built a new moon-9 with aslroots very kind  
> addition of
> resolution independent scaling code, but I can't get it uploaded  
> to
> a.sl.org, I thought it was a Safari browser issue, so I tested  
> with
> Firefox as well, but no luck. I get as far as:
>
>   http://addons.sugarlabs.org/en-US/developers/addon/submit
>
> But the 'Get Started' button does nothing. Game over. Any hints
> welcome, but will need to wait until tomorrow for me wake up and  
> try
> again.
>
> Regards
> --Gary
>
> P.S As a member of the ActivityTeam, I am rather embarrassed to  
> have
> to ask what I should now do with the Moon-9.tar.bz2 file that  
> fell out
> the back of ./setup dist_source (couldn't see any ActivityTeam  
> wiki
> suggestions for how to officially publish Activities other than  
> the
> links to addons). I'm not officially part of any (confusingly)  
> named,
> temporally aligned, carbohydrate molecular substrate, but am very
> happy to provide the source code somewhere formal if it makes  
> distro
> packager lives easier.
>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tomeu
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SoaS - Another Snapshot

2009-02-20 Thread Mike Lee
This is another baby step that's keeping my excitement growing.
I installed your new snapshot on a 4 gig USB drive using Fedora's
Liveusb-creator. I then I did quick boot tests on the following, which all
booted up:

Asus Eee PC 701 (no wifi, cramped screen layout)

Intel Classmate 2 Celeron (wifi worked and I was able to use Browse, cramped
screen layout)

Intel Classmate 3 Convertible (no wifi, screen much roomier)

On all: the cursor was invisible to start. It appeared after I navigated to
the Journal and opened the detail view of an entry. Speak didn't work.

While I had wifi on the Classmate 2, I downloaded Walter's TAPortfolio 17.
It seemed to load fine on all three machines, but the bottom part of the
tabbed palette was clipped on the EeePC and Classmate 2 making some of the
pieces impossible to retrieve.

Well, that was what I did in an hour. Looking forward to testing more.

Mike

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On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Sebastian Dziallas wrote:

> Hi everybody,
>
> after some time, we've another snapshot of soas-1 ready for testing! You
> can now grab it directly from [1].
>
> So what has changed in comparison to the last one?
>
> * size improvements everywhere - the whole image has been slimmed quite
> a bit and is now just around 350 MB!
>
> * sugar-write works now out of the box - yay! thanks to alsroot for
> making this possible.
>
> * your favorite activities have been included, updated and some new were
> also added: for example, you can now directly check out the InfoSlicer
> activity [2] using SoaS.
>
> * Sugar has been updated; Simon is working on the RPMs of the latest
> release, so expect another snapshot soonish!
>
> * Gnash has been recently included - please check whether it works for you!
>
> For your notice, there's a known bug with regard to the mouse cursor
> occurring from time to time. If you come across it or can help with
> fixing it, that would be really appreciated.
>
> Please help us and report also any other issues you may encounter!
>
> Thanks and happy testing,
>--The SoaS Team
>
> [1] http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/Soas-200902201251.iso
> [2] http://sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/InfoSlicer
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SoaS - Another Snapshot

2009-02-20 Thread Wade Brainerd
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Aleksey Lim  wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:17:06PM +0100, Sebastian Dziallas wrote:
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > after some time, we've another snapshot of soas-1 ready for testing! You
> > can now grab it directly from [1].
> >
> > So what has changed in comparison to the last one?
> >
> > * size improvements everywhere - the whole image has been slimmed quite
> > a bit and is now just around 350 MB!
> guess it will weight a bit bigger after adding 23 honey activities and
> theirs
> dependencies :)


No kidding.  Can't wait to see the next image with these activities
included.

Thanks,

-Wade
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Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS - Another Snapshot

2009-02-20 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:17:06PM +0100, Sebastian Dziallas wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> after some time, we've another snapshot of soas-1 ready for testing! You 
> can now grab it directly from [1].
> 
> So what has changed in comparison to the last one?
> 
> * size improvements everywhere - the whole image has been slimmed quite 
> a bit and is now just around 350 MB!
guess it will weight a bit bigger after adding 23 honey activities and theirs
dependencies :)

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[Sugar-devel] sugar.datastore

2009-02-20 Thread Sascha Silbe


After I fixed the Python search path in Pippy, I'm trying to get the 
data store part of the Slideshow example to work (it doesn't return any 
objects though there are JPEGs in the data store).
pippy.query seems outdated (uses direct DBus access, datastore is 
complaining about invalid parameters), so I'm trying sugar.datastore 
according to the howto on [1].
Is sugar.datastore.datastore working properly? It behaves quite 
unexpectedly for me:


1. datastore.find({'mime_type': 'image/jpeg'}) returns no objects
2. datastore.find({'title': 'Browse Activity'}) returns the same as
datastore.find({}), i.e. probably all entries - but most of them
don't match the given title
3. the metadata entries contain dbus.ByteArray's, not (unicode) strings 
like I'd expect

BTW: an items() function would be nice


[1] 
http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Almanac/sugar.datastore.datastore


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[Sugar-devel] SoaS - Another Snapshot

2009-02-20 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Hi everybody,

after some time, we've another snapshot of soas-1 ready for testing! You 
can now grab it directly from [1].

So what has changed in comparison to the last one?

* size improvements everywhere - the whole image has been slimmed quite 
a bit and is now just around 350 MB!

* sugar-write works now out of the box - yay! thanks to alsroot for 
making this possible.

* your favorite activities have been included, updated and some new were 
also added: for example, you can now directly check out the InfoSlicer 
activity [2] using SoaS.

* Sugar has been updated; Simon is working on the RPMs of the latest 
release, so expect another snapshot soonish!

* Gnash has been recently included - please check whether it works for you!

For your notice, there's a known bug with regard to the mouse cursor 
occurring from time to time. If you come across it or can help with 
fixing it, that would be really appreciated.

Please help us and report also any other issues you may encounter!

Thanks and happy testing,
--The SoaS Team

[1] http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/Soas-200902201251.iso
[2] http://sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/InfoSlicer
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Please update your activity info files for deprecated fields

2009-02-20 Thread Simon Schampijer
Gary C Martin wrote:
> On 20 Feb 2009, at 11:14, Simon Schampijer wrote:
> 
>> Dear activity developers,
>>
>> there are two deprecated fields in the activity.info [1]
>>
>> 'service_name' is deprecated please use 'bundle-id' instead.
>>
>> 'class' is deprecated and you should use the 'exec' command instead. The
>> reason for the switch is that the exec command follows better the
>> general freedesktop standard [2]
> 
> Thanks, didn't know about that change in spec... was just about to alter 
> my 'class' to 'exec', but before I do, how far back does exec support go 
> in Sugar? I don't want to break backwards compatibility for current 
> deployments.
> 
> Would you recommend I put both class and exec line in the .info file?
> 
> --Gary

Good point Gary! We are doing fine in this regard. 0.82 will work and 
previous versions as well, when looking at the timestamps when this was 
put in.

Thanks,
Simon

[eri...@beet sugar-toolkit]$ git-blame -L 143,169 
src/sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py
f377d6e5 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Dan Winship  2007-09-20 
12:20:21 -0400 143)
6073a396 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Marco Pesenti Gritti 2007-10-09 
13:15:06 +0200 144) if cp.has_option(section, 'bundle_id'):
6073a396 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Marco Pesenti Gritti 2007-10-09 
13:15:06 +0200 145) self._bundle_id = cp.get(section, '
6073a396 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Marco Pesenti Gritti 2007-10-09 
13:15:06 +0200 146) # FIXME deprecated
6073a396 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Marco Pesenti Gritti 2007-10-09 
13:15:06 +0200 147) elif cp.has_option(section, 'service_na
6073a396 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Marco Pesenti Gritti 2007-10-09 
13:15:06 +0200 148) self._bundle_id = cp.get(section, '
f377d6e5 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Dan Winship  2007-09-20 
12:20:21 -0400 149) else:
f377d6e5 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Dan Winship  2007-09-20 
12:20:21 -0400 150) raise MalformedBundleException(
6073a396 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Marco Pesenti Gritti 2007-10-09 
13:15:06 +0200 151) 'Activity bundle %s does not sp
f377d6e5 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Dan Winship  2007-09-20 
12:20:21 -0400 152) self._path)
f377d6e5 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Dan Winship  2007-09-20 
12:20:21 -0400 153)
f377d6e5 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Dan Winship  2007-09-20 
12:20:21 -0400 154) if cp.has_option(section, 'name'):
f377d6e5 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Dan Winship  2007-09-20 
12:20:21 -0400 155) self._name = cp.get(section, 'name'
f377d6e5 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Dan Winship  2007-09-20 
12:20:21 -0400 156) else:
f377d6e5 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Dan Winship  2007-09-20 
12:20:21 -0400 157) raise MalformedBundleException(
f377d6e5 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Dan Winship  2007-09-20 
12:20:21 -0400 158) 'Activity bundle %s does not sp
f377d6e5 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Dan Winship  2007-09-20 
12:20:21 -0400 159)
6ebe910e sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Marco Pesenti Gritti 2007-10-08 
14:56:12 +0200 160) # FIXME class is deprecated
f377d6e5 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Dan Winship  2007-09-20 
12:20:21 -0400 161) if cp.has_option(section, 'class'):
f377d6e5 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Dan Winship  2007-09-20 
12:20:21 -0400 162) self.activity_class = cp.get(sectio
f377d6e5 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Dan Winship  2007-09-20 
12:20:21 -0400 163) elif cp.has_option(section, 'exec'):
f377d6e5 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Dan Winship  2007-09-20 
12:20:21 -0400 164) self.bundle_exec = cp.get(section,
f377d6e5 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Dan Winship  2007-09-20 
12:20:21 -0400 165) else:
f377d6e5 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Dan Winship  2007-09-20 
12:20:21 -0400 166) raise MalformedBundleException(
f377d6e5 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Dan Winship  2007-09-20 
12:20:21 -0400 167) 'Activity bundle %s must specif
f377d6e5 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Dan Winship  2007-09-20 
12:20:21 -0400 168) self._path)
f377d6e5 sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py (Dan Winship  2007-09-20 
12:20:21 -0400 169)
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Browse-104

2009-02-20 Thread Simon Schampijer
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
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> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 06:28:31PM +0100, Simon Schampijer wrote:
>> == Source ==
>> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/Browse/Browse-104.tar.bz2
>>
>> == News ==
>> - Create a HTTP Cookie to authenticate with the Schoolserver (Martin 
>> Langhoff)
>> - Deprecation fix: Use bundle_id instead od service_name
>> - Set intl.accept_languages based on the locale (Daniel Drake)
>> - New Translations
>>
>> Note: this is Browse version for Sucrose 0.84 - don't be surprised if 
>> this does not work on 0.82
> 
> Fair enough, that you take no responsibility for backwards 
> compatibility.
> 
> I would however want to do so for Debian.  I'll test myself that 
> bundle_id works with 0.82, 

That does not break anything. The underlying hulahop has changed and 
Browse reacted to that - that is why we can not provide the backward 
compability.

Cheers,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Browse-104

2009-02-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
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On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 06:28:31PM +0100, Simon Schampijer wrote:
>== Source ==
>http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/Browse/Browse-104.tar.bz2
>
>== News ==
>- Create a HTTP Cookie to authenticate with the Schoolserver (Martin 
>Langhoff)
>- Deprecation fix: Use bundle_id instead od service_name
>- Set intl.accept_languages based on the locale (Daniel Drake)
>- New Translations
>
>Note: this is Browse version for Sucrose 0.84 - don't be surprised if 
>this does not work on 0.82

Fair enough, that you take no responsibility for backwards 
compatibility.

I would however want to do so for Debian.  I'll test myself that 
bundle_id works with 0.82, but suspect the Schoolserver authenticate 
change might break.

@Martin: I seem to have read between the lines of your patching work 
that you might have a different patch for 0.82 Deployments, is that so, 
or do you believe this official Schoolserver change works on 0.82 too?


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Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-02-20 Thread Luke Faraone
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche  wrote:

> This brings up an issue I have been thinking about, since the SynPhony
> database comprises several "with attribution" components.  Would it make
> sense to have a common design element that was "about " or
> "credits" that would allow contributions to be acknowledged?  Leaving aside
> whether it is a license requirement I think it is good practice to show
> Sugar users, aka kids, that some people cared enough to build this stuff,
> and that if they build stuff they can receive acknowledgement too.


Agreed, but it might be a good idea to implement a standard for such
copyrights, to make them machine-readable. See
http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat and
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing for two such formats.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-02-20 Thread Wade Brainerd
Agreed that an "about this activity" (credits, license, etc) UI element
should be standard.
This should be part of a ubiquitous help button, which would become part of
the standard activity toolbar.  When clicked, it opens a localized .html
file from within the activity bundle.  It could open in Browse, or else a
modal dialog.

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche  wrote:

> This brings up an issue I have been thinking about, since the SynPhony
> database comprises several "with attribution" components.  Would it make
> sense to have a common design element that was "about " or
> "credits" that would allow contributions to be acknowledged?  Leaving aside
> whether it is a license requirement I think it is good practice to show
> Sugar users, aka kids, that some people cared enough to build this stuff,
> and that if they build stuff they can receive acknowledgement too.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:06 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> we did show a full license in the Control Panel before. The path was
>> hard coded to where OLPC had placed the GPL license. What can we do to
>> meet the expectations of all the distributions that want to ship sugar?
>>
>> Thanks for inputs on this,
>>Simon
>>
>> http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/357
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-02-20 Thread Carol Farlow Lerche
This brings up an issue I have been thinking about, since the SynPhony
database comprises several "with attribution" components.  Would it make
sense to have a common design element that was "about " or
"credits" that would allow contributions to be acknowledged?  Leaving aside
whether it is a license requirement I think it is good practice to show
Sugar users, aka kids, that some people cared enough to build this stuff,
and that if they build stuff they can receive acknowledgement too.

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:06 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote:

> Hi,
>
> we did show a full license in the Control Panel before. The path was
> hard coded to where OLPC had placed the GPL license. What can we do to
> meet the expectations of all the distributions that want to ship sugar?
>
> Thanks for inputs on this,
>Simon
>
> http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/357
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[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] sugar-base-0.83.4

2009-02-20 Thread Simon Schampijer
== Source ==
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-base/sugar-base-0.83.4.tar.bz2

== News ==

* Updated Languages
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[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] sugar-toolkit-0.83.7

2009-02-20 Thread Simon Schampijer
== Source ==

http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit/sugar-toolkit-0.83.7.tar.bz2

== Fixed tickets ==

* Don't try to hide the tray if the activity has none (alsroot) #395
* NamingAlert: Icon dependent on the entry type #353
* Updated Languages
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[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] sugar-artwork-0.83.5

2009-02-20 Thread Simon Schampijer
== Source ==

http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.83.5.tar.bz2

== Fixed tickets ==

* Icon for a generic document, part of #360
* Add view source icon
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.84 Release Candidate 1 (0.83.5)

2009-02-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:28:40AM -0800, S Page wrote:
>(I cc'd the sugarlabs lists for repliers but am not on them.)
>
>Simon Schampijer wrote:
>> Dear Sugar Community,
>> 
>> This is Release Candidate 1 for the upcoming 0.84 Release - see [1] 
>> for more details. Only two more weeks to go in this release cycle. 
>> Please test this release
>
>How?  I have an XO-1 with developer key.  Back in January Gary C Martin 
>wrote in "Re: [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.83.4 Development Release" ,
>> FWIW: I've been reasonably successfully running joyride 2631 on an XO 
>> for a few days now, and it seems to have all the 0.83.4 Sugar feature 
>> freeze changes in.

Sugar is a Desktop environment. It is the visible part of some Linux
"distribution".

What is soon ready is next stable release of that Desktop environment.

What is *not* ready is the distribution shipped with the XOs (which is a 
derivative of Fedora, I believe).


You (among others, and quite understandably so!) seem to confuse the 
Desktop developed by Sugarlabs with the distributions including it.


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[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] sugar-0.83.8

2009-02-20 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi all,

here is one more release with several bugfixes.


== Source ==

http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.83.8.tar.bz2

== Fixed tickets ==

* #235 Sugar-install-bundle script fails to update Sugar UI with new activity 
installs
* #387 position of favorite icons is not consistent
* #360 Icons for viewsource: Document, Activity Bundle
* #361 ViewSource - No feedback for .pyc files
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Moon-9, almost (Re: addons.sugarlabs.org is starting to work)

2009-02-20 Thread Gary C Martin
On 20 Feb 2009, at 07:17, Aleksey Lim wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 03:48:56AM +, Gary C Martin wrote:
>> P.S As a member of the ActivityTeam, I am rather embarrassed to have
>> to ask what I should now do with the Moon-9.tar.bz2 file that fell  
>> out
>> the back of ./setup dist_source (couldn't see any ActivityTeam wiki
>> suggestions for how to officially publish Activities other than the
>> links to addons). I'm not officially part of any (confusingly) named,
>> temporally aligned, carbohydrate molecular substrate, but am very
>> happy to provide the source code somewhere formal if it makes distro
>> packager lives easier.
>
> think, the right place for honey activities is:
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/
>
> http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Activities_packaging#Publish_source_tarballs_for_each_release

Fab, thanks – and thanks for the moon scale patch!

Regards,
--Gary

>
>
>
> -- 
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[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Browse-104

2009-02-20 Thread Simon Schampijer
== Source ==
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/Browse/Browse-104.tar.bz2

== News ==
- Create a HTTP Cookie to authenticate with the Schoolserver (Martin 
Langhoff)
- Deprecation fix: Use bundle_id instead od service_name
- Set intl.accept_languages based on the locale (Daniel Drake)
- New Translations

Note: this is Browse version for Sucrose 0.84 - don't be surprised if 
this does not work on 0.82

Thanks for all these nice contributions,
Simon
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] design team meeting (And finding a new regular time)

2009-02-20 Thread Gary C Martin
On 20 Feb 2009, at 15:29, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote:

> Hi there
>
>
> Why don't we start by getting a day on the calendar for a regular  
> design meeting. How is Saturday at 11am? Does that work for everyone?

Design meetings sound good, so 11am, what timezone? ;-)

--Gary

> We may need to start next week, on the 27th, since Eben is  
> traveling...
>
>
> Christian
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Simon Schampijer  
>  wrote:
> Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 22:18, Eben Eliason  wrote:
> I wasn't available for a meeting today, so that's partially my fault.
> I'm trying to get back into the swing of things, though, and actually
> had the chance to meet with Christian today regarding starting up
> regular design meetings again.
>
> As our work on Sugar will be voluntary, we both feel that selecting a
> time on the weekends (or perhaps late evening, though naturally
> timezone complicates this) may allow us to attend regularly as we'd
> like to. Would this work for others with interest?  What days/times
> would be most suitable for everyone?
>
> Weekends are not as good for me, but I definitely will be able to  
> attend some.
>
> Apart from Josh, Eduardo (HoboPrimate) is back giving us awesome
> usability feedback and Gary is stepping up his contributions even more
> by doing icons for Sugar. So we need to organize a bit all this new
> energy that is coming into the design area ;)
>
> See you soon,
>
> Tomeu
>
> +1, there is definitely a lot of energy.
>
> Weekend is currently not as optimal for me neither, but I am sure we  
> can find ways to communicate the outcome from those meetings tomeu  
> or I can not attend. Might be worth anyhow - since we are an in time  
> and space distributed crowd.
>
> /me is so happy to see Sugar Labs progress on all fronts each day.
>
> Thanks!
>   Simon
>
>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Moon-9, almost (Re: addons.sugarlabs.org is starting to work)

2009-02-20 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
It's now working quite well.


Thanks Tomeu and David.
Rafael Ortiz


On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Tomeu Vizoso  wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 17:51, David Farning 
> wrote:
> > As part of /bin/build.py there is a .js add .css minimizer.  It must
> > be screw up.
> >
> > I think that we need to replace the minimzed .js and .css with
> > upstream's and turn off the minimizer.
>
> It was screwed up because of:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/287035
>
> Now seems to work fine.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tomeu
>
> > 2009/2/21 Tomeu Vizoso :
> >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 08:49, Wade Brainerd  wrote:
> >>> Yeah, it seems like a lot of the buttons on the site do nothing when
> clicked
> >>> right now.  I just encountered the same problem.
> >>
> >> Looking at it right now. It works in addons-devel, so I suspect that
> >> the tricks for minimizing access to .js files are breaking production.
> >>
> >> Tomeu
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Gary C Martin 
> >>> wrote:
> 
>  On 18 Feb 2009, at 15:04, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
> 
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > as the site is becoming more functional, we are in need of feedback
>  > before we direct there the masses.
>  >
>  > Could activity maintainers register and upload their last activity
>  > bundles? Please try to also upload at least one screenshot, the site
>  > will be much prettier that way ;)
> 
>  OK giving up for the night :-(
> 
>  I've merged and built a new moon-9 with aslroots very kind addition of
>  resolution independent scaling code, but I can't get it uploaded to
>  a.sl.org, I thought it was a Safari browser issue, so I tested with
>  Firefox as well, but no luck. I get as far as:
> 
> http://addons.sugarlabs.org/en-US/developers/addon/submit
> 
>  But the 'Get Started' button does nothing. Game over. Any hints
>  welcome, but will need to wait until tomorrow for me wake up and try
>  again.
> 
>  Regards
>  --Gary
> 
>  P.S As a member of the ActivityTeam, I am rather embarrassed to have
>  to ask what I should now do with the Moon-9.tar.bz2 file that fell out
>  the back of ./setup dist_source (couldn't see any ActivityTeam wiki
>  suggestions for how to officially publish Activities other than the
>  links to addons). I'm not officially part of any (confusingly) named,
>  temporally aligned, carbohydrate molecular substrate, but am very
>  happy to provide the source code somewhere formal if it makes distro
>  packager lives easier.
> 
>  > Thanks,
>  >
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Please update your activity info files for deprecated fields

2009-02-20 Thread Gary C Martin
On 20 Feb 2009, at 11:14, Simon Schampijer wrote:

> Dear activity developers,
>
> there are two deprecated fields in the activity.info [1]
>
> 'service_name' is deprecated please use 'bundle-id' instead.
>
> 'class' is deprecated and you should use the 'exec' command instead.  
> The
> reason for the switch is that the exec command follows better the
> general freedesktop standard [2]

Thanks, didn't know about that change in spec... was just about to  
alter my 'class' to 'exec', but before I do, how far back does exec  
support go in Sugar? I don't want to break backwards compatibility for  
current deployments.

Would you recommend I put both class and exec line in the .info file?

--Gary

> The sooner you get this in the better. Deprecated things get dropped  
> at
> some point, latest with the next major release (in this case 1.0) -  
> you
> will be informed again of course.
>
> Thanks,
>Simon
>
> [1]
> http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Almanac/Activity_Bundles#.info_file_format
> [2]
> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-0.9.3.html
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Moon-9, almost (Re: addons.sugarlabs.org is starting to work)

2009-02-20 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 17:51, David Farning  wrote:
> As part of /bin/build.py there is a .js add .css minimizer.  It must
> be screw up.
>
> I think that we need to replace the minimzed .js and .css with
> upstream's and turn off the minimizer.

It was screwed up because of:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/287035

Now seems to work fine.

Regards,

Tomeu

> 2009/2/21 Tomeu Vizoso :
>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 08:49, Wade Brainerd  wrote:
>>> Yeah, it seems like a lot of the buttons on the site do nothing when clicked
>>> right now.  I just encountered the same problem.
>>
>> Looking at it right now. It works in addons-devel, so I suspect that
>> the tricks for minimizing access to .js files are breaking production.
>>
>> Tomeu
>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Gary C Martin 
>>> wrote:

 On 18 Feb 2009, at 15:04, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:

 > Hi,
 >
 > as the site is becoming more functional, we are in need of feedback
 > before we direct there the masses.
 >
 > Could activity maintainers register and upload their last activity
 > bundles? Please try to also upload at least one screenshot, the site
 > will be much prettier that way ;)

 OK giving up for the night :-(

 I've merged and built a new moon-9 with aslroots very kind addition of
 resolution independent scaling code, but I can't get it uploaded to
 a.sl.org, I thought it was a Safari browser issue, so I tested with
 Firefox as well, but no luck. I get as far as:

http://addons.sugarlabs.org/en-US/developers/addon/submit

 But the 'Get Started' button does nothing. Game over. Any hints
 welcome, but will need to wait until tomorrow for me wake up and try
 again.

 Regards
 --Gary

 P.S As a member of the ActivityTeam, I am rather embarrassed to have
 to ask what I should now do with the Moon-9.tar.bz2 file that fell out
 the back of ./setup dist_source (couldn't see any ActivityTeam wiki
 suggestions for how to officially publish Activities other than the
 links to addons). I'm not officially part of any (confusingly) named,
 temporally aligned, carbohydrate molecular substrate, but am very
 happy to provide the source code somewhere formal if it makes distro
 packager lives easier.

 > Thanks,
 >
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Moon-9, almost (Re: addons.sugarlabs.org is starting to work)

2009-02-20 Thread David Farning
As part of /bin/build.py there is a .js add .css minimizer.  It must
be screw up.

I think that we need to replace the minimzed .js and .css with
upstream's and turn off the minimizer.

david

2009/2/21 Tomeu Vizoso :
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 08:49, Wade Brainerd  wrote:
>> Yeah, it seems like a lot of the buttons on the site do nothing when clicked
>> right now.  I just encountered the same problem.
>
> Looking at it right now. It works in addons-devel, so I suspect that
> the tricks for minimizing access to .js files are breaking production.
>
> Tomeu
>
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Gary C Martin 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 18 Feb 2009, at 15:04, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > as the site is becoming more functional, we are in need of feedback
>>> > before we direct there the masses.
>>> >
>>> > Could activity maintainers register and upload their last activity
>>> > bundles? Please try to also upload at least one screenshot, the site
>>> > will be much prettier that way ;)
>>>
>>> OK giving up for the night :-(
>>>
>>> I've merged and built a new moon-9 with aslroots very kind addition of
>>> resolution independent scaling code, but I can't get it uploaded to
>>> a.sl.org, I thought it was a Safari browser issue, so I tested with
>>> Firefox as well, but no luck. I get as far as:
>>>
>>>http://addons.sugarlabs.org/en-US/developers/addon/submit
>>>
>>> But the 'Get Started' button does nothing. Game over. Any hints
>>> welcome, but will need to wait until tomorrow for me wake up and try
>>> again.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> --Gary
>>>
>>> P.S As a member of the ActivityTeam, I am rather embarrassed to have
>>> to ask what I should now do with the Moon-9.tar.bz2 file that fell out
>>> the back of ./setup dist_source (couldn't see any ActivityTeam wiki
>>> suggestions for how to officially publish Activities other than the
>>> links to addons). I'm not officially part of any (confusingly) named,
>>> temporally aligned, carbohydrate molecular substrate, but am very
>>> happy to provide the source code somewhere formal if it makes distro
>>> packager lives easier.
>>>
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Tomeu
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Re: [Sugar-devel] production aslo update

2009-02-20 Thread David Farning
This is what I have been looking at for the last couple of days.

Upstream agreed that we can change all instances of "Mozilla Addon" to
a translatable constant string SITE_NAME if we can get it to work
across the site.

I think that we can do the same for 'addons' -> 'activities'

david

2009/2/21 Korakurider :
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:10 AM, David Farning  
> wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Tomeu Vizoso  wrote:
>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 15:59, David Farning  wrote:
 No new commits for the production instance of aslo.

 We will be running some clean.sh and build.sh scripts to update the
 .mo (translation) files.
>>
>> Update complete.
>>
 Yep, that is right, Sayamindu Dasgupta should be able to hook aslo to
 pootle and make them sing.  How cool is that?
>>>
>>> Very! Is upstream ready to accept our translations?
>>
>> Upstream is taking a wait and see approach.  If the quality of our
>> translations is good, I see no problem with them being accepted.
>
> Let me ask the context about "upstream accept our translation (of aslo)"
>
> I am reviewing Japanese message MO for aslo.
> It contains tons of "addon" (in Japanese translation).
> I think you want to replace all of them with "activity",
> as many of you guys insisted "activities" domain over "addons"
> for branding of SL, right?
>
> And top page of the site is showing message like this (in
> Japanese, msgid "addons_home_header_details")
>Note: Many of addons registered to this site have not been
> translated to Japanese yet.
> Listing of "translated Addins" is available at
> Mozilla Japan site (http://addons.mozilla.jp/).
>
>  So apparently we need to customize translations for our purpose.
>
>  Am I missing something?
> /Korakurider
>
>>
>> david
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Tomeu
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] design team meeting (And finding a new regular time)

2009-02-20 Thread Eduardo H. Silva
I'd love to atttend the meeting, please warn ahead of time when it
will be (oh, and don't forget to mention the UTC time).

Eduardo

2009/2/20 Christian Marc Schmidt :
> Hi there
>
>
> Why don't we start by getting a day on the calendar for a regular design
> meeting. How is Saturday at 11am? Does that work for everyone?
>
> We may need to start next week, on the 27th, since Eben is traveling...
>
>
> Christian
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Simon Schampijer 
> wrote:
>>
>> Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 22:18, Eben Eliason  wrote:

 I wasn't available for a meeting today, so that's partially my fault.
 I'm trying to get back into the swing of things, though, and actually
 had the chance to meet with Christian today regarding starting up
 regular design meetings again.

 As our work on Sugar will be voluntary, we both feel that selecting a
 time on the weekends (or perhaps late evening, though naturally
 timezone complicates this) may allow us to attend regularly as we'd
 like to. Would this work for others with interest?  What days/times
 would be most suitable for everyone?
>>>
>>> Weekends are not as good for me, but I definitely will be able to attend
>>> some.
>>>
>>> Apart from Josh, Eduardo (HoboPrimate) is back giving us awesome
>>> usability feedback and Gary is stepping up his contributions even more
>>> by doing icons for Sugar. So we need to organize a bit all this new
>>> energy that is coming into the design area ;)
>>>
>>> See you soon,
>>>
>>> Tomeu
>>
>> +1, there is definitely a lot of energy.
>>
>> Weekend is currently not as optimal for me neither, but I am sure we can
>> find ways to communicate the outcome from those meetings tomeu or I can not
>> attend. Might be worth anyhow - since we are an in time and space
>> distributed crowd.
>>
>> /me is so happy to see Sugar Labs progress on all fronts each day.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>   Simon
>
>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Please update your activity info files for deprecated fields

2009-02-20 Thread Simon Schampijer
Simon Schampijer wrote:
> Dear activity developers,
> 
> there are two deprecated fields in the activity.info [1]
> 
> 'service_name' is deprecated please use 'bundle-id' instead.

Sorry, this should be 'bundle_id'.

Thanks to Walter for notifying,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] design team meeting (And finding a new regular time)

2009-02-20 Thread Christian Marc Schmidt
Hi there


Why don't we start by getting a day on the calendar for a regular design
meeting. How is Saturday at 11am? Does that work for everyone?

We may need to start next week, on the 27th, since Eben is traveling...


Christian


On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote:

> Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 22:18, Eben Eliason  wrote:
>>
>>> I wasn't available for a meeting today, so that's partially my fault.
>>> I'm trying to get back into the swing of things, though, and actually
>>> had the chance to meet with Christian today regarding starting up
>>> regular design meetings again.
>>>
>>> As our work on Sugar will be voluntary, we both feel that selecting a
>>> time on the weekends (or perhaps late evening, though naturally
>>> timezone complicates this) may allow us to attend regularly as we'd
>>> like to. Would this work for others with interest?  What days/times
>>> would be most suitable for everyone?
>>>
>>
>> Weekends are not as good for me, but I definitely will be able to attend
>> some.
>>
>> Apart from Josh, Eduardo (HoboPrimate) is back giving us awesome
>> usability feedback and Gary is stepping up his contributions even more
>> by doing icons for Sugar. So we need to organize a bit all this new
>> energy that is coming into the design area ;)
>>
>> See you soon,
>>
>> Tomeu
>>
>
> +1, there is definitely a lot of energy.
>
> Weekend is currently not as optimal for me neither, but I am sure we can
> find ways to communicate the outcome from those meetings tomeu or I can not
> attend. Might be worth anyhow - since we are an in time and space
> distributed crowd.
>
> /me is so happy to see Sugar Labs progress on all fronts each day.
>
> Thanks!
>   Simon
>



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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] design team meeting (And finding a new regular time)

2009-02-20 Thread ,Josh williams
Hello everyone,

I posted a message on sugar-dev and CC'd it to iaep as well, maybe it 
didn't get through. (I accidental sent if from an unregistered email 
account, and then had to resend it). I went ahead and added myself to 
the design team's contact list. I hope that's alright.

http://sugarlabs.org/go/User:Josh

@eben meeting on the weekend would probably be fine with me. Currently 
I'm doing freelance work so my schedule is flexible. I'm on US Mountain 
/ Arizona time.

Regards,

Josh

Simon Schampijer wrote:
> David Farning wrote:
>> I talked to a designer named josh who is doing interesting stuff. see
>>
>> http://sugarlabs.org/go/AddonsPortal/Design
>>
>> Sorry, but I don't remember his email.  Goes by y0shu on irc.
>>
>> Another design related would be to standardizing the look and feel of
>> the various Sugar Labs web sites.
>
> Tomeu and myself talked to Josh [in cc] today - he has interesting 
> stuff to offer.
>
> http://sugarlabs.org/go/User:Josh
>
> Regards,
>Simon
>
>> david
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Eben Eliason  wrote:
>>> I wasn't available for a meeting today, so that's partially my fault.
>>> I'm trying to get back into the swing of things, though, and actually
>>> had the chance to meet with Christian today regarding starting up
>>> regular design meetings again.
>>>
>>> As our work on Sugar will be voluntary, we both feel that selecting a
>>> time on the weekends (or perhaps late evening, though naturally
>>> timezone complicates this) may allow us to attend regularly as we'd
>>> like to. Would this work for others with interest?  What days/times
>>> would be most suitable for everyone?
>>>
>>> - Eben
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Tomeu Vizoso  
>>> wrote:
 Hi,

 no meeting today?

 Regards,

 Tomeu
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Re: [Sugar-devel] translating MaMaMedia to spanish

2009-02-20 Thread Raúl Gutiérrez Segalés
Hi Morgan,

On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 10:16 +0200, Morgan Collett wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 04:23, Raúl Gutiérrez Segalés
>  wrote:
> > Hi!,
> >
> > I am working on the deployment of 4000 XOs in Paraguay (south america -
> > just in case!). Teachers here , during their training, have found out
> > about MaMaMedia and would like to use it in Spanish. Is there a
> > translation available or on the way? How can we help?
> >
> > I found your emails in the AUTHORS file at
> > http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=mamamedia/story-builder;a=tree
> >
> > Are you the current maintainer of the activity?
> 
> Hi Raul
> 
> There are several MaMaMedia activities: Poll Builder and Story Builder
> were written by me, and there are also Slider Puzzle, Joke Machine,
> Jigsaw Puzzle, Flipsticks and Cartoon Builder.
> 
> Some or all of them are in OLPC's Pootle. I'll do a fresh release of
> Poll Builder and Story Builder in the near future to include some
> contributed fixes, and if there are any translation updates they will
> be included. We can arrange releases of most of the others too - which
> activity in particular are you referring to?

I think it is Story Builder what they are after. But we would like to
volunteer with translation the most we can... How do we get started
translating strings? I looked at http://dev.laptop.org/translate but
couldn't find MaMeMedia's activities..

Thanks for your help!

Cheers,
Raúl


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Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] webactivity: seed the XS cookie at startup

2009-02-20 Thread Hal Murray

>> The fqdn from backup server or jabber server. Either will do until we
>> fix the registration stuff.

> Please state exactly which one you want - I want this to be your call.

How about adding a layer of indirection and letting DNS do the binding?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] webactivity: seed the XS cookie at startup

2009-02-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Simon Schampijer  wrote:
> Martin Langhoff wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Simon Schampijer 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, your call - using the schoolserver url then?
>>
>> The fqdn from backup server or jabber server. Either will do until we
>> fix the registration stuff.
>
> Please state exactly which one you want - I want this to be your call.

Ok. Both are wrong, and I'm good at being stoned for picking a wrong setting.

The jabber server is at least recorded as a fqdn, so let's use that.
Backup server is recorded as u...@fqdn:path .

And let's make sure we fix registration and these values in the next
feature work cycle :-)

For the time being, ejabberd, backup and moodle are quite tightly
bound together -- this is not a good long-term thing, but a fact of
life in the short-term.

cheers,


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Re: [Sugar-devel] XOIRC migrated to Sugar Labs (as IRC Activity)

2009-02-20 Thread S Page
Mel Chua wrote:
> The IRC activity (XoIRC) has been moved to the Sugar Labs 
> infrastructure. 

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XoIRC still points to laptop.org for bundle, 
source, POT.  Several other migrated activities likewise have incorrect 
wiki.laptop.org pages.

You *could* follow 
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Maintaining_activity_web_information to update 
the various bits and pieces on wiki.laptop.org, but it probably makes 
more sense to replace the page with just a
  {{Migrated to sl.o| http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/irc | 
http://addons.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4029 }}
  [[Category:Activities]]

I think only activities in an activity group or with an update URL 
pointing to wiki.laptop.org still need information on w.l.o.
But what do others think?

I tried it out on http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XoIRC , and modified the 
{{Migrated to sl.o}} template so you can give it two URLs.


> http://addons.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4029
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Had a chance to try SoaS in anger...

2009-02-20 Thread Caroline Meeks
Thanks Gary,

This was a fun email to wake up to. :)

Good luck and let us know how it goes!

Caroline

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Gary C Martin wrote:

> ... and it worked :-)
>
> Just back from a 3hr+ meeting with a potential school deployment, they'd
> contacted me a few weeks back regarding the desire for a 50 XO initial trial
> to improve e-learning skills (looking at about 100 total). Email Q/A with
> him were good until OLPC dropped the 'change the world' program last week
> (killed off any new 100 laptop size deployments)...
>
> Any way, seeing as I do have 3 OLPC development XOs here, and he was also
> interested when I mentioned the possibility of SoaS as an alternative for
> running Sugar, I went ahead with the demo. I took a chance and took a
> Soas-200902061045.iso USB SoaS, and also a live CD of it. Flying blind as
> neither of which can I actually test myself – I'm all PPC Mac – the CD I
> burnt with Disk Utility on the Mac, and the USB stick I danced a magic
> Fedora based XO dance (pleased to see no USB re-format was necessary).
>
> He had 2 oldish laptops for the SoaS test, one could not boot from USB (so
> we used the CD on it), the other had a BIOS option for USB Harddisk which
> turned out to work great. CD booting was quite slow (as expected) perhaps
> twice as slow as booting a real XO. USB booting was real fast (perhaps two
> or three times faster than a real XO - but I didn't time it).
>
> - Both machines ran Sugar very quickly to what I'm used to (vs. the XOs)
> - The neighborhood showed lots of wireless APs, but unfortunately would not
> associate with any (just pulsed for a bit, no password dialogue)
> - No sound support (was trying to demo eToys car honking code at one point)
> - Laptop displays both correctly auto powered off after usual idle time
> - Both seemed to be showing the correct battery level status in their
> device frames
> - Write would have been nice to show on the larger laptop screens, but
> doesn't launch (known missing libraries)
> - Turtle Art looks great on the big screen :-)
> - Tried to resume some journal entries during the demo (USB booted machine)
> but the Journal entries just vanished from the journal as they were clicked
> - Both machines had sporadic semi-corrupt graphics on seemingly random
> icons/widgets, I assumed some low level gfx drive issue. Not many glitches,
> just a few.
> - No crashes for either machine, both were running for at least several
> hours.
> - Fonts were not quite large enough, but were at least readable :-)
>
> PC Laptop specs were:
>
>Compaq nx9030 HP
>Intel pentium M 1.73Ghz
>1.2Gb ram
>
>Compaq nx6110 HP
>Intel pentium M 1.73Ghz
>512Mb ram
>
> He knew that SoaS was very much a work in development, but was very pleased
> to see it working (and has taken a copy of the .iso to demo to others
> involved).
>
> Most time was spent on the XO's showing off the mesh collaboration features
> (write, maze, colors!, distance are great for this), music, speech etc, and
> going through most of the activities I'd had installed (~20-30) – so he got
> to see a stable Sugar with 'all the bits' working as well as the pre-release
> SoaS taster.
>
> Just thought I should post,
> --Gary




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[Sugar-devel] Recruting Developers at SCaLE

2009-02-20 Thread Caryl Bigenho

Hello Friends,

OLPC will have a booth this weekend (2/20-2/22)
at the Southern California Area LInux Expo (SCaLE).  This is a large
conference (up to 1000) of open-source aficionados including
programmers.  It is a great chance to recruit folks for our team of
volunteer developers of Activities for the XO and for SugarLabs. 

I am putting
together a brochure to pass out at the conference and want to include
information about some of the projects they might want to work on.  Could
you tell me what you would like included? I will refer them to the page listed 
below. I need this done by Wednesday Noon
(PT). Thanks! 

http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/GettingInvolved

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.84 Release Candidate 1 (0.83.5)

2009-02-20 Thread S Page
(I cc'd the sugarlabs lists for repliers but am not on them.)

Simon Schampijer wrote:
> Dear Sugar Community,
> 
> This is Release Candidate 1 for the upcoming 0.84 Release - see [1] for 
> more details. Only two more weeks to go in this release cycle. Please 
> test this release

How?  I have an XO-1 with developer key.  Back in January Gary C Martin 
wrote in "Re: [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.83.4 Development Release" ,
> FWIW: I've been reasonably successfully running joyride 2631 on an XO
> for a few days now, and it seems to have all the 0.83.4 Sugar
> feature freeze changes in.

but the latest joyride (build 2654 dated 2009-02-14 -- Valentine's day 
:-) ) hasn't got these newer Sugar packages, see 
http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/joyride-pkgs.html

Maybe that's to be expected since Daniel Drake wrote in "Re: joyride, 
staging builds, sugar releases":
> [Joyrides =>] Obsolete, but not really obsoleted by anything usable *yet*.

Should I just bunzip/untar the newer sugar packages on my XO?  I 
couldn't find any guide to doing this on sugarlabs.org (surely there 
must be one!?), and are there permission-security-/versions/pristine 
issues unique to the XO in doing this?  And are the sugar packages 
compatible with joyride or with the 8.2.1 candidate-800 build, or both?

NN said in the *very* interesting 
http://blog.laptop.org/2009/02/05/q-a-from-xo-camp/ :
> OLPC will move to a Linux desktop that will run Sugar as an application
So should I ignore OLPC's OS images and instead try one of the XO Linux 
distributions that includes Sugar?  I looked around and couldn't figure 
out whether Fedora rawhide still has problems on XO, whether DebXO has 
Sucrose 0.84, etc.  Marco Pesenti Gritti announced "Fwd: Another Soas 
image for the XO", but the latest image at 
http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/xoimages/  predates this Sucrose release.

Daniel Drake went on to say
> As for the future, the hope is that we will have a 
> similarly-functional OS that includes the latest version of sugar 
> asap. OLPC is working with Fedora on this, and while I suspect that 
> the end result will be pushed as a "reference OS" by OLPC, there are 
> also some other efforts ..., including debXO, and a possibility of
> the community taking the 8.2 OS release and adding sugar-0.84 and
> some other things as an intermediate step before the pure-Fedora
> builds are suitable replacements. However, I personally think that
> all of these efforts are 6-12 months away (at least) from producing
> something adoptable by deployments.


But there's a mismatch between sugarlabs' "only two more weeks to go in 
this release cycle. Please test" and OLPC's "6-12 months away".

Thanks for any suggestions.
(Normally this is where I pledge to update wiki.laptop.org with whatever 
people say, but if joyride is obsolete and 9.1.0 is dead,  then a lot of 
pages on the wiki are misleading and I'm not sure where to start.)

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[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Read-64

2009-02-20 Thread Morgan Collett
== Source ==

http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/Read/Read-64.tar.bz2

== Fixed tickets ==

* #351 AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'evince_embed_init'

== NEWS ==

* Translation updates.
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[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Chat-63

2009-02-20 Thread Morgan Collett
== Source ==

http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/Chat/Chat-63.tar.bz2

== NEWS ==

Translation update
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[Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

2009-02-20 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hi,

we did show a full license in the Control Panel before. The path was 
hard coded to where OLPC had placed the GPL license. What can we do to 
meet the expectations of all the distributions that want to ship sugar?

Thanks for inputs on this,
Simon

http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/357
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[Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Please update your activity info files for deprecated fields

2009-02-20 Thread Simon Schampijer
Dear activity developers,

there are two deprecated fields in the activity.info [1]

'service_name' is deprecated please use 'bundle-id' instead.

'class' is deprecated and you should use the 'exec' command instead. The 
reason for the switch is that the exec command follows better the 
general freedesktop standard [2]

The sooner you get this in the better. Deprecated things get dropped at 
some point, latest with the next major release (in this case 1.0) - you 
will be informed again of course.

Thanks,
Simon

[1] 
http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Almanac/Activity_Bundles#.info_file_format
[2] 
http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-0.9.3.html
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[Sugar-devel] upload of activities fixed

2009-02-20 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi,

the file site/app/webroot/js/jquery.addons.min.js was empty, so lots
of javascript stuff wasn't working. Should be fine now.

Regards,

Tomeu
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Moon-9, almost (Re: addons.sugarlabs.org is starting to work)

2009-02-20 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 08:49, Wade Brainerd  wrote:
> Yeah, it seems like a lot of the buttons on the site do nothing when clicked
> right now.  I just encountered the same problem.

Looking at it right now. It works in addons-devel, so I suspect that
the tricks for minimizing access to .js files are breaking production.

Tomeu

> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Gary C Martin 
> wrote:
>>
>> On 18 Feb 2009, at 15:04, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > as the site is becoming more functional, we are in need of feedback
>> > before we direct there the masses.
>> >
>> > Could activity maintainers register and upload their last activity
>> > bundles? Please try to also upload at least one screenshot, the site
>> > will be much prettier that way ;)
>>
>> OK giving up for the night :-(
>>
>> I've merged and built a new moon-9 with aslroots very kind addition of
>> resolution independent scaling code, but I can't get it uploaded to
>> a.sl.org, I thought it was a Safari browser issue, so I tested with
>> Firefox as well, but no luck. I get as far as:
>>
>>http://addons.sugarlabs.org/en-US/developers/addon/submit
>>
>> But the 'Get Started' button does nothing. Game over. Any hints
>> welcome, but will need to wait until tomorrow for me wake up and try
>> again.
>>
>> Regards
>> --Gary
>>
>> P.S As a member of the ActivityTeam, I am rather embarrassed to have
>> to ask what I should now do with the Moon-9.tar.bz2 file that fell out
>> the back of ./setup dist_source (couldn't see any ActivityTeam wiki
>> suggestions for how to officially publish Activities other than the
>> links to addons). I'm not officially part of any (confusingly) named,
>> temporally aligned, carbohydrate molecular substrate, but am very
>> happy to provide the source code somewhere formal if it makes distro
>> packager lives easier.
>>
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Tomeu
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] design team meeting (And finding a new regular time)

2009-02-20 Thread Simon Schampijer
Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 22:18, Eben Eliason  wrote:
>> I wasn't available for a meeting today, so that's partially my fault.
>> I'm trying to get back into the swing of things, though, and actually
>> had the chance to meet with Christian today regarding starting up
>> regular design meetings again.
>>
>> As our work on Sugar will be voluntary, we both feel that selecting a
>> time on the weekends (or perhaps late evening, though naturally
>> timezone complicates this) may allow us to attend regularly as we'd
>> like to. Would this work for others with interest?  What days/times
>> would be most suitable for everyone?
> 
> Weekends are not as good for me, but I definitely will be able to attend some.
> 
> Apart from Josh, Eduardo (HoboPrimate) is back giving us awesome
> usability feedback and Gary is stepping up his contributions even more
> by doing icons for Sugar. So we need to organize a bit all this new
> energy that is coming into the design area ;)
> 
> See you soon,
> 
> Tomeu

+1, there is definitely a lot of energy.

Weekend is currently not as optimal for me neither, but I am sure we can 
find ways to communicate the outcome from those meetings tomeu or I can 
not attend. Might be worth anyhow - since we are an in time and space 
distributed crowd.

/me is so happy to see Sugar Labs progress on all fronts each day.

Thanks!
Simon
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] addons.sugarlabs.org is starting to work

2009-02-20 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 07:53, Elena of Valhalla
 wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Tomeu Vizoso  wrote:
>> Oh, also users can "review" addons and rate then.
>
> But the reviews may be in languages that another user isn't able to
> read: having some easily localizable property to show is probably
> essential.

Yeah, addons already has some quite advanced localization features,
like showing different featured addons for different languages. That
makes me think that what is not yet implemented will be probably
accepted by upstream.

Regards,

Tomeu

> Anyway, +1 on the idea that activities should only use a few global
> sugar dependencies, or include what they need in the bundle, with
> proper safeguards for security.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] design team meeting (And finding a new regular time)

2009-02-20 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 22:18, Eben Eliason  wrote:
> I wasn't available for a meeting today, so that's partially my fault.
> I'm trying to get back into the swing of things, though, and actually
> had the chance to meet with Christian today regarding starting up
> regular design meetings again.
>
> As our work on Sugar will be voluntary, we both feel that selecting a
> time on the weekends (or perhaps late evening, though naturally
> timezone complicates this) may allow us to attend regularly as we'd
> like to. Would this work for others with interest?  What days/times
> would be most suitable for everyone?

Weekends are not as good for me, but I definitely will be able to attend some.

Apart from Josh, Eduardo (HoboPrimate) is back giving us awesome
usability feedback and Gary is stepping up his contributions even more
by doing icons for Sugar. So we need to organize a bit all this new
energy that is coming into the design area ;)

See you soon,

Tomeu

> - Eben
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Tomeu Vizoso  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> no meeting today?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tomeu
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Where to store non-Glucose activit ies (Was: Moon-9, almost…)

2009-02-20 Thread Simon Schampijer
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> [sent again, cross-posted to the devel list]
> 
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 07:17:29AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 03:48:56AM +, Gary C Martin wrote:
>>> P.S As a member of the ActivityTeam, I am rather embarrassed to have 
>>> to ask what I should now do with the Moon-9.tar.bz2 file that fell 
>>> out the back of ./setup dist_source (couldn't see any ActivityTeam 
>>> wiki suggestions for how to officially publish Activities other than 
>>> the links to addons). I'm not officially part of any (confusingly) 
>>> named, temporally aligned, carbohydrate molecular substrate, but am 
>>> very happy to provide the source code somewhere formal if it makes 
>>> distro packager lives easier.
>> think, the right place for honey activities is: 
>> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/
>>
>> http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Activities_packaging#Publish_source_tarballs_for_each_release
> 
> Agreed: That's where I as a distributor would expect to find the best 
> quality activities, even those not part of Glucose.
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
>- Jonas

Fructose, Fructose :)
http://sugarlabs.org/go/Taxonomy

Actually we miss the taxonomy for honey (non fructose activities) there.

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[Sugar-devel] Where to store non-Glucose activities ( Was: Moon-9, almost…)

2009-02-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
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[sent again, cross-posted to the devel list]

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 07:17:29AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote:
>On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 03:48:56AM +, Gary C Martin wrote:
>> P.S As a member of the ActivityTeam, I am rather embarrassed to have 
>> to ask what I should now do with the Moon-9.tar.bz2 file that fell 
>> out the back of ./setup dist_source (couldn't see any ActivityTeam 
>> wiki suggestions for how to officially publish Activities other than 
>> the links to addons). I'm not officially part of any (confusingly) 
>> named, temporally aligned, carbohydrate molecular substrate, but am 
>> very happy to provide the source code somewhere formal if it makes 
>> distro packager lives easier.
>
>think, the right place for honey activities is: 
>http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/
>
>http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Activities_packaging#Publish_source_tarballs_for_each_release

Agreed: That's where I as a distributor would expect to find the best 
quality activities, even those not part of Glucose.

:-)


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Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Create a HTTP Cookie to authenticate with the Schoolserver (Martin Langhoff)

2009-02-20 Thread Simon Schampijer
Martin Langhoff wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:21 PM,   wrote:
>> From: Martin Langhoff 
>>
>> Re-edit of the patch, based on Simon's merge to master.
> 
> I cherry-picked Simon's patch, resovled minor conflicts, and edited as 
> follows:
> 
>  - all gconf references are gone
>- grab jabber_server from the profile obj.
>- check only jabber server - ignore backup_url
> 
> I cross-diffed the two patches, and nothing else is happening there.
> It tests well in sending the cookie to the XS too :-)
> 
> 
> m

Awesome! Thanks. I will release later today. Sayamindu want to land his 
inline pdf patch and Daniel had one for language detection and 
propagating too.

Best,
Simon
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Moon-9, almost (Re: addons.sugarlabs.org is starting to work)

2009-02-20 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Gary C Martin  wrote:
> On 18 Feb 2009, at 15:04, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> as the site is becoming more functional, we are in need of feedback
>> before we direct there the masses.
>>
>> Could activity maintainers register and upload their last activity
>> bundles? Please try to also upload at least one screenshot, the site
>> will be much prettier that way ;)
>
> OK giving up for the night :-(
>
> I've merged and built a new moon-9 with aslroots very kind addition of
> resolution independent scaling code, but I can't get it uploaded to
> a.sl.org, I thought it was a Safari browser issue, so I tested with
> Firefox as well, but no luck. I get as far as:
>
>http://addons.sugarlabs.org/en-US/developers/addon/submit
>
> But the 'Get Started' button does nothing. Game over. Any hints
> welcome, but will need to wait until tomorrow for me wake up and try
> again.

I can confirm this. It's been happening to me as well.

Thanks,
Sayamindu


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