Re: Suggestions (was: Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help)
> What about compression? 40k max size would mean about 28k (plus headers and > such) of stuff, I think a compressed seednodes.ref (maybe chopped down to > fit the size) would be small enough; every platform I can think of has > support for zip or gzip files so that should not be a big problem. > Better make that BOTH zip and gzip files, but I suppose zip doesn't matter as just about everyone here that matters uses gzip; but then many of the nubies probably don't regularly. ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help
> It > would be a bit like giving someone a CD-ROM with drivers on it for > their new CD-ROM drive. > Well, I'll be... And I though MSN was just weak minded when I had a defective file stuck in my mailbox and when pleading for help the MSN staff sent me 43 email messages (only a very few of which would have been of any help) trying to tell me how to get my mail box unstuck. By some unknown good fortune I finally found a method which would purge messages one at a time until the flow began -- then I had the opportunity to read all of those enlightening messages -- most telling me to call them at ... ... I did mention who what at that time my ISP didn't I? ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Suggestions (was: Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help)
sending them to the mailing list is a tad pointless, I mailed mine into the list to help the guy who started the Lamer help thread, but it got put to one side for moderation, as it was larger than 40k, so that'll never see the light of day again as the lists aren't really moderated, anything that ends up there gets deleted. but I like the rest of the idea, I think the best person to talk about mirroring the site would be Ian, I may even have a go if it is deemed necessary. Pete - Original Message - From: "Tld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 2:21 PM Subject: Suggestions (was: Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help) > Pete Soden wrote: > > And for anyone who would publish a seedref file but don't wont it on their > > own personal site they pay for their are plenty of free hosting services > > that you can lie to about you age address name etc ot get an account so > > that's no excuse. > > That is one possibility; I guess google would then be able to tag them and > a search for seednodes.ref might help. Everybody should use the very same > filename, and I'd say "seednodes.ref" is an appropriate one. > > Another possibility, upload monthly to the ML (weekly?) a seednodes.ref. > Then it would stay in the mail archives, for everyone to go fetch it. I > think. :) > > > and didn't someone start mirroring freenetproject.org once? What happened to > > that? > > What are the requirements for that? I might just go and do that. > I don't have a big pipe to the 'net, but if the choice is between (very) > slow and down, I'd go for the slow one. > > Greetings! > > -- > --- TLD > "Oh, how uncomfortable that word must feel on your lips: evil. > Good...there is no good, there is no evil. There is only flesh, > and the patterns to which we submit it." [Pinhead] > > > > ___ > support mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Suggestions (was: Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help)
Tld ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > What about compression? 40k max size would mean about 28k (plus headers and > such) of stuff, I think a compressed seednodes.ref (maybe chopped down to > fit the size) would be small enough; every platform I can think of has > support for zip or gzip files so that should not be a big problem. jekyll:/usr/local/cvs/Freenet-head/freenet$ ls -l ~/public_html/seednodes.ref -rw-r--r--1 greg greg54019 2003-01-09 20:38 /home/greg/public_html/seednodes.ref jekyll:/usr/local/cvs/Freenet-head/freenet$ gzip -c9 ~/public_html/seednodes.ref | wc -c 13132 I will attempt to send a copy of a compressed seednodes.ref file to this list to see whether it gets through. -- Greg Wooledge | "Truth belongs to everybody." [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- The Red Hot Chili Peppers http://wooledge.org/~greg/ | msg02557/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > too bad about irc,,,which net is that btw,,,i suppose i still have > it plugged into my irc client,,, It's the "Freenode" network, irc.freenode.net. Formerly known as Open Projects Network. -- Greg Wooledge | "Truth belongs to everybody." [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- The Red Hot Chili Peppers http://wooledge.org/~greg/ | msg02556/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Suggestions (was: Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help)
Pete wrote: sending them to the mailing list is a tad pointless, I mailed mine into the list to help the guy who started the Lamer help thread, but it got put to one side for moderation, as it was larger than 40k, so that'll never see the light of day again as the lists aren't really moderated, anything that ends up there gets deleted. What about compression? 40k max size would mean about 28k (plus headers and such) of stuff, I think a compressed seednodes.ref (maybe chopped down to fit the size) would be small enough; every platform I can think of has support for zip or gzip files so that should not be a big problem. -- --- TLD "Oh, how uncomfortable that word must feel on your lips: evil. Good...there is no good, there is no evil. There is only flesh, and the patterns to which we submit it." [Pinhead] ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Suggestions (was: Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help)
Pete Soden wrote: And for anyone who would publish a seedref file but don't wont it on their own personal site they pay for their are plenty of free hosting services that you can lie to about you age address name etc ot get an account so that's no excuse. That is one possibility; I guess google would then be able to tag them and a search for seednodes.ref might help. Everybody should use the very same filename, and I'd say "seednodes.ref" is an appropriate one. Another possibility, upload monthly to the ML (weekly?) a seednodes.ref. Then it would stay in the mail archives, for everyone to go fetch it. I think. :) and didn't someone start mirroring freenetproject.org once? What happened to that? What are the requirements for that? I might just go and do that. I don't have a big pipe to the 'net, but if the choice is between (very) slow and down, I'd go for the slow one. Greetings! -- --- TLD "Oh, how uncomfortable that word must feel on your lips: evil. Good...there is no good, there is no evil. There is only flesh, and the patterns to which we submit it." [Pinhead] ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help
Actually Jay, I didn't need anyhelp having a healthy node running already, and I do understand the problems the faces the dev team, but com'on for a newbie does " If you continue getting Route Not Found (RNF) errors for a prolonged period of time, you might need to get newer seed node references." actually mean anything? I seriously doubt it. a nicer response would of been try downloading some seednode refs from http://wooledge.org/~greg/ this should help with the route not found problem. And for anyone who would publish a seedref file but don't wont it on their own personal site they pay for their are plenty of free hosting services that you can lie to about you age address name etc ot get an account so that's no excuse. and didn't someone start mirroring freenetproject.org once? What happened to that? Pete - Original Message - From: "Jay Oliveri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 2:39 AM Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help On Saturday 11 January 2003 07:07 pm, Pete Soden wrote: > Well gee what a load of help you are to someone who hasn't had the joy > and benefit of actually using a fully set up node, this sort of attitude > is why people give up after they try the software then when it doesn't > work and can't find any help. > > So why don't we try to be constructive? instead of > 1) Mention of these sort of things on freenetproject.org > 2) Add a link to a google search that is looking for the seednode.ref > from the gateway/failure page? I had the privelege of being in #freenet for most of Saturday, and a couple of newbies were confused and frustrated because freenetproject.org was down, and they couldn't get seeds, latest freenet.jar, etc. In trying to help some of these poor souls by asking questions and offering possible options, I was repeatedly flamed on "why is freenetproject.org down? why isn't there a mirror? why, why why..." In the end I don't think I was helpful to anyone; I offered to send someone my jar files, seeds, and whatever they wanted but it wasn't good enough. One person wanted a specific build (5xx or something), and when I could not produce it (I don't keep the old buggy jars) I was met with more complaining and bitching on why everything is screwed up, how freenet has been in development for the last 70 years, etc. Greg just gave you good solid advice, wrapped in a little sarcasm. If you've spent any time working on this project as I have (albeit client tools) you may become sarcastic at times, since it so often feels like a thankless task. Building an application "to ensure true freedom of communication over the Internet" takes more than just a weekend of coffee and pizza. Lucky for me, I code for personal satisfaction. I sincerely wish you good luck :) -- Jay Oliveri "In the land of the blind, GnuPG ID: 0x5AA5DD54 the one-eyed man is king." FCPTools Maintainer www.sf.net/users/joliveri ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:57:38 -0800 Greg Wooledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >> i'll be sure to put it up since it has my ip in it >> on my how to build a nuke from radio shack parts website > >Um... what? im teasing > >(1) The seednodes.ref file contains *other* nodes, not yours. If >you >want to publish your own node reference, you may also do that, but >it's >not included in seednodes.ref by default. > really quite often i see mine in the seednodes.ref downloaded with the daily snap, not that that matters,,which lead to a trivial question, the freenet client throws it out when it seeds the routing table, right? i imagine as far as questions go thats filed under "duhh" >(2) If people go to my web site, they have my IP address. I don't >exactly try to hide my identity here, y'know... > i do out of purity to the concept, but i'm a writer and anyone who knows me or reads my stuff can smell my style a mile a way >> so i can think of a few reason folks might not want >> to put their seed ref on their freesite > >I said WEB site. ah, ok sorry, artists arn't as tight with language which coders of necessity must be Not freesite. But yes, I do publish my seednodes.ref >file on my freesite as well as my web site. Even if I were trying >to keep myself anonymous, which I clealy am not, point (1) above >would make this a relatively safe practice. Remember the Freedom >Seed? (And before that, the Evil Seed.) > they dont have kitchen recipes for nukes on them either >Of course, a seednodes.ref file on a freesite would not be very >helpful to the original poster, since he was reporting RNFs. It >would be a bit like giving someone a CD-ROM with drivers on it for >their new CD-ROM drive. o you bought an iomega once too was mentioning favorite computer error messages with someone yesterday my favorite is keyboard error or keyboard not present press "F1" to continue or "DEL" to enter setup Besides isnt the over arching concept more a needle in a needle stack than a foolproof locked box? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: Hush 2.2 (Java) Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify wlcEARECABcFAj4hZ+sQHGthYm9vbUBodXNoLmNvbQAKCRB5zuO1YwPwCe/VAKCrgKJq GarXGjTb+Rjc/ENRFkntKwCgjBbOgpTtsNvXINpp2v5IZRObY2M= =LM2i -END PGP SIGNATURE- Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get FREE encrypted email: https://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Big $$$ to be made with the HushMail Affiliate Program: https://www.hushmail.com/about.php?subloc=affiliate&l=427 ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Ure words are always well appreciated,, heheh dont wanna volunteer on a freenet phone in support line eh? too bad about irc,,,which net is that btw,,,i suppose i still have it plugged into my irc client,,, i suppose its easy to do help personnel revenge on irc here ya go just run this [evil] script (asshole)" the equivalant of say "could you hold please" and take the handset and ring it around the inside of metal garbage can, "what you still have noise on your line, let mecheck again", bang bang bang bang i suppose could hire slave labor from Prison Industries to do support and get 25% of all the cr card fraud they do to fund the project. I did have a question does anyone who codes,,,cuz i dont and no one i know wants to do it,,,to fix up freenews, fec encode attachments in it take off its limts and read frost whether Jantho likes it or not. After all Frost is crap and buggy right now, it crashes one of my systems with illegal istructions and limps on another, plus he doesnt seem to have his source on his website. Much rather see integrated interfaces ie mail, nntp to existing clients rather a whole pack of unnecessary freenet only clients. The everything over freenet project doesnt seem to be going anywhere either.. Is ther published documentation of what can pass the anon filter and what cant i see some php is being used here and there. Or some sort of SPEC for it around? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: Hush 2.2 (Java) Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify wlcEARECABcFAj4hZAAQHGthYm9vbUBodXNoLmNvbQAKCRB5zuO1YwPwCTr8AJwOSj+N Q1Unsja5kN2wWaAh8+B7dACgkZHKkqUhvtsM+73G/+1VVPh/uE0= =aiVX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get FREE encrypted email: https://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Big $$$ to be made with the HushMail Affiliate Program: https://www.hushmail.com/about.php?subloc=affiliate&l=427 ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help
On Saturday 11 January 2003 07:07 pm, Pete Soden wrote: > Well gee what a load of help you are to someone who hasn't had the joy > and benefit of actually using a fully set up node, this sort of attitude > is why people give up after they try the software then when it doesn't > work and can't find any help. > > So why don't we try to be constructive? instead of > 1) Mention of these sort of things on freenetproject.org > 2) Add a link to a google search that is looking for the seednode.ref > from the gateway/failure page? I had the privelege of being in #freenet for most of Saturday, and a couple of newbies were confused and frustrated because freenetproject.org was down, and they couldn't get seeds, latest freenet.jar, etc. In trying to help some of these poor souls by asking questions and offering possible options, I was repeatedly flamed on "why is freenetproject.org down? why isn't there a mirror? why, why why..." In the end I don't think I was helpful to anyone; I offered to send someone my jar files, seeds, and whatever they wanted but it wasn't good enough. One person wanted a specific build (5xx or something), and when I could not produce it (I don't keep the old buggy jars) I was met with more complaining and bitching on why everything is screwed up, how freenet has been in development for the last 70 years, etc. Greg just gave you good solid advice, wrapped in a little sarcasm. If you've spent any time working on this project as I have (albeit client tools) you may become sarcastic at times, since it so often feels like a thankless task. Building an application "to ensure true freedom of communication over the Internet" takes more than just a weekend of coffee and pizza. Lucky for me, I code for personal satisfaction. I sincerely wish you good luck :) -- Jay Oliveri "In the land of the blind, GnuPG ID: 0x5AA5DD54 the one-eyed man is king." FCPTools Maintainer www.sf.net/users/joliveri ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help
Well gee what a load of help you are to someone who hasn't had the joy and benefit of actually using a fully set up node, this sort of attitude is why people give up after they try the software then when it doesn't work and can't find any help. So why don't we try to be constructive? instead of 1) Mention of these sort of things on freenetproject.org 2) Add a link to a google search that is looking for the seednode.ref from the gateway/failure page? I actually had thought you were a decent helpful guy Greg but obviously your starting to share the dis-illusionment that has affected other freenet authors recently. So if your not going to offer to be helpful (I actually sent the guy my node.ref to help and posted a copy to the mailing list but it was to big and is awaiting administration) don't bother saying anything. Pete Pete Soden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > If new people could download the new seed.ref that would help, but with > freenetproject.org down newbies can't get them so they'll all be seeing that > message Yeah, it's too bad that people never ever put their own seednodes.ref files on their own web sites. I mean, sure, it would be great if one could go to some place like http://wooledge.org/~greg/ and find a seednodes.ref file there for the taking. Or maybe, in some theoretical alternate earth, one could go to Google, search for seednodes.ref, and find sites like http://www.whoopis.com/~mbates/freenet/ whence seednodes.ref files could be retrieved. Granted, these could conceivably be out of date, but an old seednodes.ref file is surely better than one which is known empirically not to work, and it's surely leagues better than none at all. -- Greg Wooledge | "Truth belongs to everybody." [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- The Red Hot Chili Peppers http://wooledge.org/~greg/ | - Original Message - From: "Greg Wooledge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > i'll be sure to put it up since it has my ip in it > on my how to build a nuke from radio shack parts website Um... what? (1) The seednodes.ref file contains *other* nodes, not yours. If you want to publish your own node reference, you may also do that, but it's not included in seednodes.ref by default. (2) If people go to my web site, they have my IP address. I don't exactly try to hide my identity here, y'know... > so i can think of a few reason folks might not want > to put their seed ref on their freesite I said WEB site. Not freesite. But yes, I do publish my seednodes.ref file on my freesite as well as my web site. Even if I were trying to keep myself anonymous, which I clealy am not, point (1) above would make this a relatively safe practice. Remember the Freedom Seed? (And before that, the Evil Seed.) Of course, a seednodes.ref file on a freesite would not be very helpful to the original poster, since he was reporting RNFs. It would be a bit like giving someone a CD-ROM with drivers on it for their new CD-ROM drive. -- Greg Wooledge | "Truth belongs to everybody." [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- The Red Hot Chili Peppers http://wooledge.org/~greg/ | msg02544/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:21:01 -0800 Greg Wooledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Pete Soden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >> If new people could download the new seed.ref that would help, > but with >> freenetproject.org down newbies can't get them so they'll all >be seeing that >> message > thats a good idea i'll be sure to put it up since it has my ip in it on my how to build a nuke from radio shack parts website remeber the kid that turned in a fuctioning nuke sans the plutonium made of radio shake parts about 5 years ago for his high school science fair project did you see the footage of the AEC folks taking it away in their high radiation space suits? bet u didnt know the fbi has a live feed off the security cameras from every Radio Shack in the country good thing there isnt a Bagdad or Kabul Radio Shack hun so i can think of a few reason folks might not want to put their seed ref on their freesite though i'd happily put your ref up on that freesite anyway i actually have a question since i havnt been reading everything on a daily basis recently where do we get shapshots now? is freenet at sourceforge still alive the current snaps have been ack hem a tad odd like the anon filter for that breif bit pass nothing but plain text not even links viola security sovled, pretty funny that one Lord have pity on this poor lamer may i hear the word of java and be saved -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: Hush 2.2 (Java) Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify wlcEARECABcFAj4grT8QHGthYm9vbUBodXNoLmNvbQAKCRB5zuO1YwPwCUuJAJwJiEz6 qwZq1dw/DLmiW72hsl7ZdgCeOov0xhjWnexBR6JjO6MvAgPlI9A= =RXx9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get FREE encrypted email: https://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Big $$$ to be made with the HushMail Affiliate Program: https://www.hushmail.com/about.php?subloc=affiliate&l=427 ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help
Pete Soden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > If new people could download the new seed.ref that would help, but with > freenetproject.org down newbies can't get them so they'll all be seeing that > message Yeah, it's too bad that people never ever put their own seednodes.ref files on their own web sites. I mean, sure, it would be great if one could go to some place like http://wooledge.org/~greg/ and find a seednodes.ref file there for the taking. Or maybe, in some theoretical alternate earth, one could go to Google, search for seednodes.ref, and find sites like http://www.whoopis.com/~mbates/freenet/ whence seednodes.ref files could be retrieved. Granted, these could conceivably be out of date, but an old seednodes.ref file is surely better than one which is known empirically not to work, and it's surely leagues better than none at all. -- Greg Wooledge | "Truth belongs to everybody." [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- The Red Hot Chili Peppers http://wooledge.org/~greg/ | msg02542/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help
If new people could download the new seed.ref that would help, but with freenetproject.org down newbies can't get them so they'll all be seeing that message Pete - Original Message - From: "Greg Wooledge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 2:08 AM Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help
Adam Sundor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > 1. For the start, the Help suggested I write you for a friendly beginning. I > don't know anybody using freenet so need the key or is that also a freesite > by URI? Open the Freenet gateway either by using the rabbit in the system tray, or by browsing to http://127.0.0.1:/ in a web browser. On the gateway page, there is a link to "The Freedom Engine", which is a daily-updated site dedicated to listing virtually all Freenet sites. This should be your starting point. > Gather the network is quite busy, today, received: > Couldn't retrieve key: > CHK@hdXaxkwZ9rA8-SidT0AN-bniQlgPAwI%2cXdCDmBuGsd-ulqbLnZ8v%7ew > Hops To Live: 15 > Error: Route not Found If you continue getting Route Not Found (RNF) errors for a prolonged period of time, you might need to get newer seed node references. -- Greg Wooledge | "Truth belongs to everybody." [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- The Red Hot Chili Peppers http://wooledge.org/~greg/ | msg02535/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[freenet-support] Lamer Help
Hi there, Interesting project, freenet. Lokos quite good. Downloaded the file and it appears to run, with warnings about MS IE. Some problems though and curiosities. Don't know is this is presumably an automated system, but will assume human so far. 1. For the start, the Help suggested I write you for a friendly beginning. I don't know anybody using freenet so need the key or is that also a freesite by URI? Gather the network is quite busy, today, received: Couldn't retrieve key: CHK@hdXaxkwZ9rA8-SidT0AN-bniQlgPAwI%2cXdCDmBuGsd-ulqbLnZ8v%7ew Hops To Live: 15 Error: Route not Found 2. Your excellent software, latest release for Windows, found a Java VM or runtime environment. Should I bother with the latest Sun Java Version 2 or not matter? That was neat. Looking for Java instead of the usual lame, file not found, I was most impressed with that. 3. Oh, I could not find any guides or helps concerning this freenetproject. That seemed most curious. Are you being censored by any chance? Thanks, Adam ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
