Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power pole extension

[Jherome Miguel]

On Feb 13, 2017 4:19 PM, "François Lacombe" 
wrote:

Hi Warin,

2017-02-13 8:42 GMT+01:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:

>
> In Australia;
> Heavy industry gets 3 phases.
>

Same in Europe, 2-phases or 3-phases depends on needs.
Here 3-phases for heavy industry : https://www.google.fr/maps/@
45.2719628,6.3749132,3a,48.9y,219.64h,93.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!
3m4!1sdoIRusd2UEOaiNkxbR5tUw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

2-phases for train traction (2 separate circuits of 2 phases each) :
>From public power grid : https://www.google.fr/maps/
place/73300+Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne/@43.830987,4.
5832895,3a,27.2y,18.11h,110.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!
1shRm5LaCrnCyD-I8kNBVv0Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x478a25581ea5e5cf:
0x408ab2ae4baab70!8m2!3d45.275403!4d6.344886!6m1!1e1
To traction substation : https://www.google.fr/maps/
place/73300+Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne/@43.8414547,4.
5586151,3a,15y,304.69h,91.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!
1s2SoaNSBHWlYnq6u8vvwSRQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x478a25581ea5e5cf:
0x408ab2ae4baab70!8m2!3d45.275403!4d6.344886!6m1!1e1


For the Philippines, two or three phases for the primary are for large
commercial customers, but the output, it is three-phase (220/380,
220/380/440, 440/760, 660/1150, 880/1530, and others, all 60 Hz).
Households use single-phase, either two-wire (220 volts) or three-wire
systems (220/440 volts, though electricity meters show "240 volts", which
is within the tolerance of 220 volts, the peak voltage of one phase wire of
the system), depending on location. The two-wire system is common on the
province usually served by electric cooperatives, but the three-wire system
is used on areas served by major private electric utilities (Meralco,
Visayas Electric Company/VECO, Davao Light, Cotabato Light and Power, etc.)


Traction power in the Philippines (for the Metro Manila transit systems
only), is rather DC only, fed from the three-phase distribution systems,
transformed to the traction voltage, then rectified to DC. No AC traction
systems still exists in the Philippines, but perhaps, may be used in the
future on new lines or mainline electrification.




> A few houses may get 2 phases if their load is very large .. but it is
> unusual and a safety concern, no single room should have more than one
> phase.
> Even fewer houses get 3 phase .. usually where the workshop has a
> requirement for a 3 phase motor/furnace.
>
+1 same here, 3-phases fed households tend to disapear while current usage
is single phase + neutral pole.

I concur. Single-phase (line-neutral) or split-phase (line-neutral-line) is
the primary household distribution systems, while a household customer on
an area primarily using single-phase, but requiring three-phase needs a
separate transformer, at least the line has the phases required, otherwise,
the customer would require the nearby distribution line to have the
additional wires and the dedicated transformer, or use a phase converter.

Single-phase supplies by households may be derived from a three-phase line,
but a single-phase line may do. The single-phase transformers may have one
or two primaries (though one bushing is connected to ground instead on
another phase wire and serves as a surge arrestor, like the case of
transformers used to provide 220 volt single-phase power in most provinces
of the Philippines), but the secondaries may be single-phase (line-neutral)
or split-phase (line-neutral-line). Single-phase (line-neutral) may use a
transformer with one or two bushings (the latter has the second bushing
being a surge arrestor, being connected to ground instead on another
primary), but for split-phase (line-neutral-line), the transformer may have
one or two primary bushings, but on the case of two bushings, the second
one may be connected to another phase or ground.



> Transformers will have an input voltage and an output voltage, usually
> these voltages are different.
>

Sure, currently voltage=* expects a list with upper voltage;lower voltage.
Or voltage-up and voltage-down can be used. I'm in favor of voltage:primary
+ voltage:secondary (+ voltage:tertiary if transformer got more than 2
interfaces).
Another proposal will be completed later for this.


> Most of the time these voltages will be on the lines connected to the
> transformer (and the pole) and would be redundant.
>
Yes they have to, but a pole can carry several lines or circuits in the
same line. If lines/circuits are operated at different voltages, which one
will serve the transformer(s) exactly ?
Furthermore, even if a single line is supported by the pole, which side of
the transformer is connected to it ?
I'm thinking of a pole carrying a "low voltage" line used for distribution,
hosting a transformer at the top of it and the transformer gets its power
from an underground "high voltage" cable rising up on the pole itself. Then
you'll need to know the voltages of both cable and line AND the voltages of
transformer's sides to say the overhead "low voltage" line is 

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Warin]

On 15-Feb-17 10:04 AM, Viking wrote:

I've found this proposal [1] landuse=animal_keeping. It has already 1590 
recurrences.
Do you think it is applicable?
It would be:

landuse=animal_keeping
animal_keeping=cattle
animal_keeping:type=feedlot

[1] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Danimal_keeping

Cheers
Alberto


No. I see cattle raising as places that are farms.

landuse=farmland is far more popular and includes animals.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmland



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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Viking]

I've found this proposal [1] landuse=animal_keeping. It has already 1590 
recurrences.
Do you think it is applicable?
It would be:

landuse=animal_keeping
animal_keeping=cattle
animal_keeping:type=feedlot

[1] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Danimal_keeping

Cheers
Alberto


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Re: [Tagging] Missing oneway:bicycle=no

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 14 Feb 2017, at 17:33, André Pirard  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, while writing an overpass script I noticed that many 
> cycleway=opposite* exist without oneway:bicycle=no and even without 
> oneway=yes.
> Please run this script to find some of them.
> I'm not going to give the nonOSM people I work with overly complicated 
> instructions.  I'm not going to make a complicated script. To write it "for 
> the errors".
> 
> Could we please correct those mistakes?


cycleway=opposite* indicates that the cycleway is on the "other" side, e.g. 
left of the street in a right side traffic region. This doesn't require a 
oneway situation and missing oneway tags are not necessarily an error 


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Re: [Tagging] Places for rent for personal events

[John Willis]

Javbw
> On Feb 15, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Marc Gemis  wrote:
> 
> amenity=events_venue perhaps ?
> 
> see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Devents_venue

PS: we should really formalize one of those proposals+the land use mentioned on 
that page. 

The San Diego Convention center (where the host ComicCon) is a massive 
convention center and a collection of conference halls. Total space is 
240,000m2.

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_Convention_Center

Tokyo Big Site in Tokyo is even busier - hosting almost a quarter million 
people for the Comic Market event. (100,000m2 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Big_Sight

Wikipedia uses:
"exhibition floor" 
"Breakout/meeting room"
"Ballroom"
As the three main categories of spaces at a center, which is what I have heard 
in the past. a proposal should use the same terms. 

These convention centres are regional and sometimes national or international 
POI, not to be confused with a building to have an office lunch or a wedding 
reception. 

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Re: [Tagging] Places for rent for personal events

[John Willis]

> On Feb 15, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Marc Gemis  wrote:
> 
> see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Devents_venue

+1 

I think that is the tag created just for that situation. 

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Re: [Tagging] Places for rent for personal events

[Marc Gemis]

amenity=events_venue perhaps ?

see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Devents_venue

regards
m

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Severin Menard
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> is there a tag for places that are specifically for rent to organize social
> events, private or public (parties, birthdays, etc.)? In Brazil they have a
> name (ex Casa do Sol) with an indication for their use (casa de eventos,
> literally house of events).
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
>
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[Tagging] Places for rent for personal events

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

is there a tag for places that are specifically for rent to organize social
events, private or public (parties, birthdays, etc.)? In Brazil they have a
name (ex Casa do Sol) with an indication for their use (casa de eventos,
literally house of events).

Sincerely,

Severin
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[Tagging] Missing oneway:bicycle=no

[André Pirard]

  
  
I once read that routes of cyclists using OSM were laughed at by the
others...

oneway=yes is a routing
tag (used by GSM) indicating that only one way of the highway can be
used.
That page says that the exception for bicycles to run contraflow is
oneway:bicycle=no.
And that cycleway=opposite* is added
for compatibility.
Also, Key:cycleway says that oneway:bicycle=no.
must be used with cycleway=opposite.

All in all it makes much sense that only one oneway:bicycle=no
  routing tag be used to allow bicycle contraflow.
And that other tags like cycleway=* are not routing tags to be used
by routing software (GSM).
They are just tags giving more detail about how the bicycles run.
Why would a multitude of duplicating routing tags like detour:bicycle=yes
or shortcut:bicycle=yes be used Indeed?

Unfortunately, while writing an overpass script I noticed that many
cycleway=opposite* exist without oneway:bicycle=no and even
without _oneway_=yes.
Please
  run this script to find some of them.
I'm not going to give the nonOSM people I work with overly
complicated instructions.  I'm not going to make a complicated
script. To write it "for the errors".

Could we please correct those mistakes?

Cheers



  

  André.

  


  


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Re: [Tagging] lanes=3 + lanes:forward/backward=1 for "semi-divided" roads?

[Rory McCann]

On 12/02/17 21:56, Mark Wagner wrote:
> I'd consider mapping it as a dual carriageway.  I don't know what the
> law is in Pennsylvania, but here in Idaho, a doubled double-yellow
> line is the legal equivalent of a physical barrier: you are not allowed
> to drive across it for any reason.

Umm... you shouldn't do this. The rule in OSM is that if you cannot
physically drive between the lanes, you should use 2 OSM ways. if you
can physically do it, then use one OSM way (even if that would be illegal).

There are plenty of roads in OSM which you cannot legally drive across
it (in IE/UK an unbroken white line in the middle), which are mapped as
one single OSM way.

You should maintain the OSM convention of single way implies they
"physicallity" of driving across, and says nothing about the legality of
that.




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