Re: [GTALUG] Lenovo ThinkPad Compact Bluetooth Keyboard with TrackPoint
On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 12:09:31AM -0400, David Ing isss--- via talk wrote: > It's the only practical choice if you want a keyboard with a Trackpoint. So far, the cost has disqualified this as a "practical" choice for an external keyboard with a Trackpoint-like device: https://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/UB40PGA but it's the only option I found beyond the USB version of the keyboard that's been discussed here (not Bluetooth--I'm not a fan so that wasn't an option for me). -- Joe --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Lenovo ThinkPad Compact Bluetooth Keyboard with TrackPoint
On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 23:55:58 -0400 William Park via talk wrote: > I bought one for $60 from lenovo.ca, and just got it this morning. > After using it for 1 full day, I found that its $60 price is reasonable. > Think of it as $30 keyboard and $20 mouse, plus $10 premium for > integrating into one package. I wrote a piece on one of my keyboards. I should write up the one I am using now. http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson/GearheadKeyboard.html -- Howard Gibson hgib...@eol.ca jhowardgib...@gmail.com http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Lenovo ThinkPad Compact Bluetooth Keyboard with TrackPoint
I have the same layout... model KU-1255, manufactured 2018-08-21. :-) All our laptops at work are ThinkPad, so I'm used to ThinkPad layout. I was planning to buy 3 of this, one for work desktop, work test area, and home. Unfortunately, it's not panning out that way. I don't think it was a bad purchase, though. I'm typing on it at home where I'm running out of desk space and USB ports. -- William Park On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 12:09:31AM -0400, David Ing i...@daviding.com wrote: > The current Thinkpad Wired USB Keyboard with Trackpoint matches the layout > on current Thinkpads (i.e. later than T430, X230, ...). > > I preferred the predecessor model as better built, matching the original > Thinkpad keyboard layouts (i.e. earlier than T420, X220, ...). However, > that model has been discontinued for some years, and available on eBay only > at outrageous prices. > > I just replaced my keyboard of 2015 with the exact same model. It's the > only practical choice if you want a keyboard with a Trackpoint. After I > got the replacement, my friend Don tried to fix the old one -- see > http://dontai.com/wp/2018/09/06/thinkpad-wired-usb-keyboard-with-trackpoint-0b47190-disassembly-and-cleaning/ > -- but the fix only works intermittently. (I use the right mouse button, a > lot!) > > The external keyboard, as an alternative to a built-in keyboard on a > Thinkpad, has been a standard for me for many decades. Way back, the > company had to get the built-in keyboard replaced because I have a heavy > touch, and would wear it out. It's much cheaper (and ergonomically better) > to have an external keyboard that plugs into my Thinkpad dock, that is > field-replaceable. I'm so used to the Trackpoint that working on a > trackpad or mouse really slows me down. > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 11:56 PM William Park via talk > wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 06:35:42PM -0400, Scott Sullivan via talk wrote: > > > The also make a USB only version, which I have two of as daily drivers > > for > > > at home and work. > > > > > https://www.lenovo.com/ca/en/accessories-and-monitors/keyboards-and-mice/keyboards/KEYBOARD-US-English/p/0B47190 > > > > I bought one for $60 from lenovo.ca, and just got it this morning. > > After using it for 1 full day, I found that its $60 price is reasonable. > > Think of it as $30 keyboard and $20 mouse, plus $10 premium for > > integrating into one package. > > > > - UPS delivered the package crushed and ripped on one side. But, I > > don't see any physical damage to the content or missing parts. > > There is only 2 parts: keyboard and micro-USB cable. > > > > - Key press feels and sounds cheap. Keyboard on real ThinkPad > > laptop is way better. > > > > - The keyboard is light, compact, and it flexes. But, rubber feets > > and risers don't slip. > > > > - PAGEUP and PAGEDOWN are with inverted-T arrows. And, HOME, END, > > INSERT, DELETE are located linearly on top row. I have to look > > down to see where all the keys are. > > > > - Fn key is left-most key where Ctrl should be. I'll never get used > > to this. > > > > - ESC is too small, and I'm a vi-guy. > > > > In conclusion, if you're short of desk space, then it's good option. > > It's not for doing real work, at least for me. > > -- > > William Park > > --- > > Talk Mailing List > > talk@gtalug.org > > https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Lenovo ThinkPad Compact Bluetooth Keyboard with TrackPoint
The current Thinkpad Wired USB Keyboard with Trackpoint matches the layout on current Thinkpads (i.e. later than T430, X230, ...). I preferred the predecessor model as better built, matching the original Thinkpad keyboard layouts (i.e. earlier than T420, X220, ...). However, that model has been discontinued for some years, and available on eBay only at outrageous prices. I just replaced my keyboard of 2015 with the exact same model. It's the only practical choice if you want a keyboard with a Trackpoint. After I got the replacement, my friend Don tried to fix the old one -- see http://dontai.com/wp/2018/09/06/thinkpad-wired-usb-keyboard-with-trackpoint-0b47190-disassembly-and-cleaning/ -- but the fix only works intermittently. (I use the right mouse button, a lot!) The external keyboard, as an alternative to a built-in keyboard on a Thinkpad, has been a standard for me for many decades. Way back, the company had to get the built-in keyboard replaced because I have a heavy touch, and would wear it out. It's much cheaper (and ergonomically better) to have an external keyboard that plugs into my Thinkpad dock, that is field-replaceable. I'm so used to the Trackpoint that working on a trackpad or mouse really slows me down. On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 11:56 PM William Park via talk wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 06:35:42PM -0400, Scott Sullivan via talk wrote: > > The also make a USB only version, which I have two of as daily drivers > for > > at home and work. > > > https://www.lenovo.com/ca/en/accessories-and-monitors/keyboards-and-mice/keyboards/KEYBOARD-US-English/p/0B47190 > > I bought one for $60 from lenovo.ca, and just got it this morning. > After using it for 1 full day, I found that its $60 price is reasonable. > Think of it as $30 keyboard and $20 mouse, plus $10 premium for > integrating into one package. > > - UPS delivered the package crushed and ripped on one side. But, I > don't see any physical damage to the content or missing parts. > There is only 2 parts: keyboard and micro-USB cable. > > - Key press feels and sounds cheap. Keyboard on real ThinkPad > laptop is way better. > > - The keyboard is light, compact, and it flexes. But, rubber feets > and risers don't slip. > > - PAGEUP and PAGEDOWN are with inverted-T arrows. And, HOME, END, > INSERT, DELETE are located linearly on top row. I have to look > down to see where all the keys are. > > - Fn key is left-most key where Ctrl should be. I'll never get used > to this. > > - ESC is too small, and I'm a vi-guy. > > In conclusion, if you're short of desk space, then it's good option. > It's not for doing real work, at least for me. > -- > William Park > --- > Talk Mailing List > talk@gtalug.org > https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Lenovo ThinkPad Compact Bluetooth Keyboard with TrackPoint
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 06:35:42PM -0400, Scott Sullivan via talk wrote: > The also make a USB only version, which I have two of as daily drivers for > at home and work. > https://www.lenovo.com/ca/en/accessories-and-monitors/keyboards-and-mice/keyboards/KEYBOARD-US-English/p/0B47190 I bought one for $60 from lenovo.ca, and just got it this morning. After using it for 1 full day, I found that its $60 price is reasonable. Think of it as $30 keyboard and $20 mouse, plus $10 premium for integrating into one package. - UPS delivered the package crushed and ripped on one side. But, I don't see any physical damage to the content or missing parts. There is only 2 parts: keyboard and micro-USB cable. - Key press feels and sounds cheap. Keyboard on real ThinkPad laptop is way better. - The keyboard is light, compact, and it flexes. But, rubber feets and risers don't slip. - PAGEUP and PAGEDOWN are with inverted-T arrows. And, HOME, END, INSERT, DELETE are located linearly on top row. I have to look down to see where all the keys are. - Fn key is left-most key where Ctrl should be. I'll never get used to this. - ESC is too small, and I'm a vi-guy. In conclusion, if you're short of desk space, then it's good option. It's not for doing real work, at least for me. -- William Park --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Lenovo ThinkPad Compact Bluetooth Keyboard with TrackPoint
For the battery, I've never put it through heavy enough use to test that claim. The bluetooth model can't dual mode, the usb port is for charging only. On August 28, 2018 10:18:19 PM EDT, William Park via talk wrote: >Thanks for the links. For the bluetooth model, >- does the battery really last 1 month? >- is it bluetooth only, or can you use USB on it? > >I'm looking for something I can carry between work and home, and >use for laptop and desktop. >-- > >On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 06:35:42PM -0400, Scott Sullivan via talk >wrote: >> I've had a number of folks express interest after seeing me use mine. >> So I'm just going to drop the links here for general reference. >> >> Lenovo ThinkPad Compact Bluetooth Keyboard with TrackPoint >> >> https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823218058CVF >> >https://www.lenovo.com/ca/en/accessories-and-monitors/keyboards-and-mice/keyboards/KEYBOARD-US-English/p/0B47189 >> >> The also make a USB only version, which I have two of as daily >drivers for >> at home and work. >> >https://www.lenovo.com/ca/en/accessories-and-monitors/keyboards-and-mice/keyboards/KEYBOARD-US-English/p/0B47190 >> >> -- >> Scott Sullivan >> --- >> Talk Mailing List >> talk@gtalug.org >> https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > >-- >William Park >--- >Talk Mailing List >talk@gtalug.org >https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -- Scott Sullivan--- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Lenovo ThinkPad Compact Bluetooth Keyboard with TrackPoint
Thanks for the links. For the bluetooth model, - does the battery really last 1 month? - is it bluetooth only, or can you use USB on it? I'm looking for something I can carry between work and home, and use for laptop and desktop. -- On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 06:35:42PM -0400, Scott Sullivan via talk wrote: > I've had a number of folks express interest after seeing me use mine. > So I'm just going to drop the links here for general reference. > > Lenovo ThinkPad Compact Bluetooth Keyboard with TrackPoint > > https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823218058CVF > https://www.lenovo.com/ca/en/accessories-and-monitors/keyboards-and-mice/keyboards/KEYBOARD-US-English/p/0B47189 > > The also make a USB only version, which I have two of as daily drivers for > at home and work. > https://www.lenovo.com/ca/en/accessories-and-monitors/keyboards-and-mice/keyboards/KEYBOARD-US-English/p/0B47190 > > -- > Scott Sullivan > --- > Talk Mailing List > talk@gtalug.org > https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -- William Park --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Lenovo ThinkPad Compact Bluetooth Keyboard with TrackPoint
You get a mouse cursor and typical mouse behaviour. Android it's self doesn't conform to desktop expectation for left and right click. But that isn't the fault of the hardware. On August 28, 2018 7:08:21 PM EDT, Evan Leibovitch wrote: >Thanks for this, Scott > >What does the trackpoint do under Android? > >- Evan > > >On August 28, 2018 18:36:28 Scott Sullivan via talk >wrote: > >> I've had a number of folks express interest after seeing me use mine. >> So I'm just going to drop the links here for general reference. >> >> Lenovo ThinkPad Compact Bluetooth Keyboard with TrackPoint >> >> https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823218058CVF >> >https://www.lenovo.com/ca/en/accessories-and-monitors/keyboards-and-mice/keyboards/KEYBOARD-US-English/p/0B47189 >> >> The also make a USB only version, which I have two of as daily >drivers >> for at home and work. >> >https://www.lenovo.com/ca/en/accessories-and-monitors/keyboards-and-mice/keyboards/KEYBOARD-US-English/p/0B47190 >> >> -- >> Scott Sullivan >> --- >> Talk Mailing List >> talk@gtalug.org >> https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -- Scott Sullivan --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Lenovo ThinkPad Compact Bluetooth Keyboard with TrackPoint
Thanks for this, Scott What does the trackpoint do under Android? - Evan On August 28, 2018 18:36:28 Scott Sullivan via talk wrote: I've had a number of folks express interest after seeing me use mine. So I'm just going to drop the links here for general reference. Lenovo ThinkPad Compact Bluetooth Keyboard with TrackPoint https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823218058CVF https://www.lenovo.com/ca/en/accessories-and-monitors/keyboards-and-mice/keyboards/KEYBOARD-US-English/p/0B47189 The also make a USB only version, which I have two of as daily drivers for at home and work. https://www.lenovo.com/ca/en/accessories-and-monitors/keyboards-and-mice/keyboards/KEYBOARD-US-English/p/0B47190 -- Scott Sullivan --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
