Re: [OSM-talk] Beyond Zoom 18 - (Some scratchspacing ideas concerning siteplans)
Tom Hughes wrote:
>> [snip]
if ($email=~/should/ and $email !~ /I will make it so/) then
{print "work harder unpaid slaves!"}
> Well the dev server is over that way if somebody wants to volunteer to
> setup and run such a service. I'm sure Spaetz will oblige with an
> account on dev if required.
Yes, I will happily hand out accounts for anybody willing to implement
that. :-)
Spaetz
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Re: [OSM-talk] Beyond Zoom 18 - (Some scratchspacing ideas concerning siteplans)
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Robert Munro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is why we need a test server. http://dev.openstreetmap.org/ should > lead to a near-identical looking site to the main site, but where this > kind of scratchpad testing, etc. is explcitly allowed. The database > behind this site should be overwritten with the real database > periodically. The site would also be the place where new versions of the > site and Potlatch can be tried and tested. Well the dev server is over that way if somebody wants to volunteer to setup and run such a service. I'm sure Spaetz will oblige with an account on dev if required. Tom -- Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Beyond Zoom 18 - (Some scratchspacing ideas concerning siteplans)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: | El Martes, 22 de Abril de 2008, Tom Hughes escribió: | [...] |> This has been discussed inumerable times before and the consensus has |> been very clear that we should not use any part of the globe, no matter |> how remote, as some sort of test area or scratchpad. | | If anybody wants to experiment, instructions on how to set up a rails server | are on SVN and on the wiki, anyway. I'm with Tom here, on not polluting the | main OSM database. This is why we need a test server. http://dev.openstreetmap.org/ should lead to a near-identical looking site to the main site, but where this kind of scratchpad testing, etc. is explcitly allowed. The database behind this site should be overwritten with the real database periodically. The site would also be the place where new versions of the site and Potlatch can be tried and tested. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIDb6Gz+aYVHdncI0RAufMAJwIf0KbjWDZzSUDfCQagHe4UadBeQCg1jTw aMORH+rq4stxiFbdzzlU914= =PO1c -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Beyond Zoom 18 - (Some scratchspacing ideas concerning siteplans)
As an architect I spend a lot of time using mapping 'beyond zoom 18'
and have contributed a lot of stealth taxes to the British government
paying through the nose for Ordnance Survey site plans (another
debate altogether). Accurate data for building footprints (we'd best
keep out of people's living rooms to avoid privacy issues) would be
great but is beyond the capabilities of the techniques generally used
by OSM mappers - hobby GPS devices and tracing from Yahoo imagery.
Either a professional surveying-quality GPS rig would be needed,
giving centimetre accuracy, or the data would have to be imported
from CAD, with some method of accurately relating this to OSM's
coordinate system. Bigger servers might be needed too :-)
From: Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 22 April 2008 00:44:59 BDT
To: Sfan00 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Beyond Zoom 18 - (Some scratchspacing ideas
concerning siteplans)
Hi,
What exists are the start of some example floorplans for :
* A supermarket
* A Cinema seating arrangment
* A simple house...
I would welcome some thoughts on what to expand...
Micromapping is surely an interesting area that we'll have to spend
some thought on; if and how we want it in our data, how this can work
with generalisation (zooming out) and so on.
However I have a feeling that our current approach of mapping "what's
there" will fail miserably when we try to create schematics of the
insides of railway stations or cinemas. Such floor plans are usually
not even remotely drawn to scale, often for good reasons. But our way
of doing things does not leave room for *not* drawing something to
scale. So maybe we just end up with links to some other system
("OpenFloorPlans")...?
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Re: [OSM-talk] Beyond Zoom 18 - (Some scratchspacing ideas concerning siteplans)
Tom Hughes wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sfan00 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What exists are the start of some example floorplans for : >> * A supermarket >> * A Cinema seating arrangment >> * A simple house... >> >> I would welcome some thoughts on what to expand... > > Why don't we just stick to mapping sensible things before we start > worrying about mapping the insides of peoples houses! Agreed. Everything we add to the map has a maintenance burden. It needs to be periodically revisited (through the magic of collaborative yadda yadda) and updated when things change. Expecting this to happen for internal floor plans is way beyond the capacity of our community at any foreseeable point. In a few years - well, maybe. But right now there's a whole world still to be mapped without trying to reinvent the project every five minutes. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Beyond Zoom 18 - (Some scratchspacing ideas concerning siteplans)
El Martes, 22 de Abril de 2008, Tom Hughes escribió: [...] > This has been discussed inumerable times before and the consensus has > been very clear that we should not use any part of the globe, no matter > how remote, as some sort of test area or scratchpad. If anybody wants to experiment, instructions on how to set up a rails server are on SVN and on the wiki, anyway. I'm with Tom here, on not polluting the main OSM database. > Why don't we just stick to mapping sensible things before we start > worrying about mapping the insides of peoples houses! Alas, we have lots of work ahead of us - kilometers and kilometers of roads to be mapped. One point of interest, though, would be marking the foot tunnels on complex railway/subway stations. The impact on route planners might be worth the research. -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why one contradicts. One often contradicts an opinion when it is really only the way in which it has been presented that is unsympathetic. -- Friedrich Nietzsche [1844 - 1900] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Beyond Zoom 18 - (Some scratchspacing ideas concerning siteplans)
Hi,
> What exists are the start of some example floorplans for :
> * A supermarket
> * A Cinema seating arrangment
> * A simple house...
>
> I would welcome some thoughts on what to expand...
Micromapping is surely an interesting area that we'll have to spend
some thought on; if and how we want it in our data, how this can work
with generalisation (zooming out) and so on.
However I have a feeling that our current approach of mapping "what's
there" will fail miserably when we try to create schematics of the
insides of railway stations or cinemas. Such floor plans are usually
not even remotely drawn to scale, often for good reasons. But our way
of doing things does not leave room for *not* drawing something to
scale. So maybe we just end up with links to some other system
("OpenFloorPlans")...?
Bye
Frederik
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Re: [OSM-talk] Beyond Zoom 18 - (Some scratchspacing ideas concerning siteplans)
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sfan00 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In connection with something that was raised in #osm, I did some > scratchpading here: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=74.28624&lon=1.138034&zoom=18 > > (NOTE : I made sure that this wasn't actually anywhere important... it > appeared to be an area of ocean being in the middle of the Atlantic on OSM) Everywhere is important. If it's an ocean it should look like an ocean. This has been discussed inumerable times before and the consensus has been very clear that we should not use any part of the globe, no matter how remote, as some sort of test area or scratchpad. > I was wondering what peoples thoughts were. > (these sketchs are NOT accurate, to scale - they are just some thoughts) > > What exists are the start of some example floorplans for : > * A supermarket > * A Cinema seating arrangment > * A simple house... > > I would welcome some thoughts on what to expand... Why don't we just stick to mapping sensible things before we start worrying about mapping the insides of peoples houses! > On a related note, I would like to make a strong request for thier to be > 'scratch' tiles in the OSM > system, so that experimental ideas can be trialled without affecting the > main map,database etc... Our database covers the globe - where exactly do you propose we put this scratch area? Do you propose to extend the normal spherical coordinate system to have more than 360 degrees along some axis? Tiles do not exist as an entity in the database that we can magically allow you to write to - they are just an artefact of cutting the globe (or rather a projection of the globe) into pieces for rendering. Tom -- Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Beyond Zoom 18 - (Some scratchspacing ideas concerning siteplans)
Hi, In connection with something that was raised in #osm, I did some scratchpading here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=74.28624&lon=1.138034&zoom=18 (NOTE : I made sure that this wasn't actually anywhere important... it appeared to be an area of ocean being in the middle of the Atlantic on OSM) I was wondering what peoples thoughts were. (these sketchs are NOT accurate, to scale - they are just some thoughts) What exists are the start of some example floorplans for : * A supermarket * A Cinema seating arrangment * A simple house... I would welcome some thoughts on what to expand... On a related note, I would like to make a strong request for thier to be 'scratch' tiles in the OSM system, so that experimental ideas can be trialled without affecting the main map,database etc... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
