Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-17 Thread Matthias Julius
Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Frederik Ramm wrote:
>> paul youlten wrote:
>>> I doubt if a black hole would ever be tagged anything but "one way".
>>> However adding a "no_exit" tag might be a good idea.
>> 
>> Not so fast with the no_exit there:
>> http://www.krioma.net/articles/Bridge%20Theory/Einstein%20Rosen%20Bridge.htm
>
> Yep Frederik. Just the sort of theoretical physics that the LHC is designed 
> to 
> investigate and the sort of effect that the 'scar-mungers' were postulating 
> before the thing was switched on. The idea IS to find different dimensions 
> and 
> fill in the gaps in current proofs - even if it needs a link to another 
> dimension.
>
> What does this have to do with OSM?
> Wouldn't it be nice to be ahead of the game and have the first map of the 
> universe - complete with wormholes :)

What projection do you use for a 4D universe?

Matthias

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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-16 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Lester Caine wrote:
>Sent: 16 September 2008 6:30 AM
>To: OSM Talk
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap
>
>Frederik Ramm wrote:
>> paul youlten wrote:
>>> I doubt if a black hole would ever be tagged anything but "one way".
>>> However adding a "no_exit" tag might be a good idea.
>>
>> Not so fast with the no_exit there:
>>
>http://www.krioma.net/articles/Bridge%20Theory/Einstein%20Rosen%20Bridge.ht
>m
>
>Yep Frederik. Just the sort of theoretical physics that the LHC is designed
>to
>investigate and the sort of effect that the 'scar-mungers' were postulating
>before the thing was switched on. The idea IS to find different dimensions
>and
>fill in the gaps in current proofs - even if it needs a link to another
>dimension.
>
>What does this have to do with OSM?
>Wouldn't it be nice to be ahead of the game and have the first map of the
>universe - complete with wormholes :)
>But I think we may need something a little bigger to store the database on?

The moon?

Cheers

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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-16 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Sent: 16 September 2008 12:50 AM
>To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
>Cc: Talk Openstreetmap
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap
>
>On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'd already labelled Alice, CMS & Atlas for the area sites above the
>ring.
>> Don't recall at this moment whether I tagged the estimated shaft
>locations
>> (where the equipment is installed).
>
>Thanks. I was looking for nodes on the way with the estimated shaft
>locations and didn't see the Atlas/CMS/etc. buildings that had already
>been added to the map (nor was I aware that each detector came with
>its own building on the surface).

It’s a bit more than that ;-) Cryogenic plant, laboratories, security and
access stuff, power and utilities into the tunnel etc etc. Each site is a
small industrial complex in itself!

Cheers

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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-15 Thread Lester Caine
Frederik Ramm wrote:
> paul youlten wrote:
>> I doubt if a black hole would ever be tagged anything but "one way".
>> However adding a "no_exit" tag might be a good idea.
> 
> Not so fast with the no_exit there:
> http://www.krioma.net/articles/Bridge%20Theory/Einstein%20Rosen%20Bridge.htm

Yep Frederik. Just the sort of theoretical physics that the LHC is designed to 
investigate and the sort of effect that the 'scar-mungers' were postulating 
before the thing was switched on. The idea IS to find different dimensions and 
fill in the gaps in current proofs - even if it needs a link to another 
dimension.

What does this have to do with OSM?
Wouldn't it be nice to be ahead of the game and have the first map of the 
universe - complete with wormholes :)
But I think we may need something a little bigger to store the database on?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-15 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd already labelled Alice, CMS & Atlas for the area sites above the ring.
> Don't recall at this moment whether I tagged the estimated shaft locations
> (where the equipment is installed).

Thanks. I was looking for nodes on the way with the estimated shaft
locations and didn't see the Atlas/CMS/etc. buildings that had already
been added to the map (nor was I aware that each detector came with
its own building on the surface).

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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-15 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Sent: 15 September 2008 11:41 PM
>To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
>Cc: Talk Openstreetmap
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap
>
>It would also be useful to get the [approximate] location of Alice,
>CMS, Atlas and the other major LHC components, see
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LHC.svg

I'd already labelled Alice, CMS & Atlas for the area sites above the ring.
Don’t recall at this moment whether I tagged the estimated shaft locations
(where the equipment is installed).

Cheers

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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-15 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
It would also be useful to get the [approximate] location of Alice,
CMS, Atlas and the other major LHC components, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LHC.svg

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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

paul youlten wrote:
> I doubt if a black hole would ever be tagged anything but "one way".
> However adding a "no_exit" tag might be a good idea.

Not so fast with the no_exit there:
http://www.krioma.net/articles/Bridge%20Theory/Einstein%20Rosen%20Bridge.htm

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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-15 Thread Lennard
paul youlten wrote:
> I doubt if a black hole would ever be tagged anything but "one way".
> However adding a "no_exit" tag might be a good idea.

no_exit=unless_you_drop_half_your_mass_in_there
oneway=maybe_if_we_ignore_the_Hawking_Radiation

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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-15 Thread paul youlten
I doubt if a black hole would ever be tagged anything but "one way".
However adding a "no_exit" tag might be a good idea.



On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Karl Newman wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Joseph Scanlan wrote:
>>  > On Sat, 13 Sep 2008, paul youlten wrote:
>>  >
>>  >> Would it be correct to tag a black hole "Physical:
>>  >> Highway_Parallel_Universe_link"?
>>  >
>>  > Don't forget to tag it oneway=yes.
>>
>> You need to check the project ;)
>> The whole point is that they want to send things both way :)
>>
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>>
>> To *AND* from a parallel universe? Amazing!
>
> Isn't that part of what they are hoping to achieve? ;)
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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-15 Thread Lester Caine
Karl Newman wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> 
> Joseph Scanlan wrote:
>  > On Sat, 13 Sep 2008, paul youlten wrote:
>  >
>  >> Would it be correct to tag a black hole "Physical:
>  >> Highway_Parallel_Universe_link"?
>  >
>  > Don't forget to tag it oneway=yes.
> 
> You need to check the project ;)
> The whole point is that they want to send things both way :)
> 
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> 
> 
> To *AND* from a parallel universe? Amazing!

Isn't that part of what they are hoping to achieve? ;)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-15 Thread Karl Newman
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Joseph Scanlan wrote:
> > On Sat, 13 Sep 2008, paul youlten wrote:
> >
> >> Would it be correct to tag a black hole "Physical:
> >> Highway_Parallel_Universe_link"?
> >
> > Don't forget to tag it oneway=yes.
>
> You need to check the project ;)
> The whole point is that they want to send things both way :)
>
> --
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>

To *AND* from a parallel universe? Amazing!
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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-15 Thread Lester Caine
Joseph Scanlan wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008, paul youlten wrote:
> 
>> Would it be correct to tag a black hole "Physical:
>> Highway_Parallel_Universe_link"?
> 
> Don't forget to tag it oneway=yes.

You need to check the project ;)
The whole point is that they want to send things both way :)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-15 Thread Joseph Scanlan
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008, paul youlten wrote:

> Would it be correct to tag a black hole "Physical:
> Highway_Parallel_Universe_link"?

Don't forget to tag it oneway=yes.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-13 Thread paul youlten
Would it be correct to tag a black hole "Physical:
Highway_Parallel_Universe_link"?

http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 2:43 AM, OJ W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Done, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/ for the map.
>
> b.t.w. we were wondering about the spelling of "Route Planc" on the
> CERN map - a google search for "Route Planck" returns more results,
> and would seem to fit better with the "scientists" road-naming
> convention in that area.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:39 PM, David Groom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Definately commended. It gets my vote for next weeks featured image.
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-13 Thread OJ W
Done, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/ for the map.

b.t.w. we were wondering about the spelling of "Route Planc" on the
CERN map - a google search for "Route Planck" returns more results,
and would seem to fit better with the "scientists" road-naming
convention in that area.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-11 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
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Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:
> For now the two rings are tagged with highway=trunk and highway=primary
> respectively. They also carry tunnel=true of course. There are a couple of
> big notes tagged as well that confirm the highway tag is less than ideal and
> that something better needs to be used. But for now, since they don't
> connect with the road network I don't think anyone will be routing over them
> ;-)


There are other large particle accelerators in the world, for example
there is one here (under construction in this photo, but finished in
real life):
http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll=51.574509,-1.311021&spn=0.006161,0.012596&t=h&z=16

http://www.diamond.ac.uk/

So we need a tag that covers both.

Robert (Jamie) Munro
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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-10 Thread Steven Le Roux
2008/9/10 Florian Lohoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 03:52:42PM +0200, Stefan Neufeind wrote:
> > > Perhaps highway=footway, bicycle=yes, access=private isn't too far from
> > > the truth? :)
> >
> > highway=footway, foot=no, particle=yes
>
> access=nonoperational
>

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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-10 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 03:52:42PM +0200, Stefan Neufeind wrote:
> > Perhaps highway=footway, bicycle=yes, access=private isn't too far from
> > the truth? :)
> 
> highway=footway, foot=no, particle=yes

access=nonoperational

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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-10 Thread Stefan Neufeind
Andrew McCarthy wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 06:28:15AM -0700, Karl Newman wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:57 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) <
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Its not perfectly positioned and I think the circumference is a tad short
>>> but I made a reasonably good insert of the CERN LHC (and SPS) into the
>>> database last night in time for the first full circle beam test of the LHC,
>>> which has just successfully completed. So, for anyone wanting to know
>>> exactly where the two accelerator rings are in the world it's now possible
>>> to point them to OpenStreetMap. Another first for community mapping :-)
>>>
>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.2731&lon=6.073&zoom=12&layers=0B00FTF
>>>
>>> I hope the data made the planet dump (JIT), in which case it should appear
>>> also on the Mapnik layer shortly.
>>>
>>> For now the two rings are tagged with highway=trunk and highway=primary
>>> respectively. They also carry tunnel=true of course. There are a couple of
>>> big notes tagged as well that confirm the highway tag is less than ideal
>>> and
>>> that something better needs to be used. But for now, since they don't
>>> connect with the road network I don't think anyone will be routing over
>>> them
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> enjoy
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>> Not sure if you should be chastised for tagging for the renderer or
>> commended for the PR effort :-P
> 
> Perhaps highway=footway, bicycle=yes, access=private isn't too far from
> the truth? :)

highway=footway, foot=no, particle=yes

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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-10 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:
> > For now the two rings are tagged with highway=trunk and highway=primary
> > respectively.
>
> Let's ask the OpenRouteService guys if they could provide particle
> routing. Do you have your oneway tags right?
>

The cyclotrons would need to be there, too for this to be correct.

"The first near-lightspeed routing application!"
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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-10 Thread Andrew McCarthy
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 06:28:15AM -0700, Karl Newman wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:57 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Its not perfectly positioned and I think the circumference is a tad short
> > but I made a reasonably good insert of the CERN LHC (and SPS) into the
> > database last night in time for the first full circle beam test of the LHC,
> > which has just successfully completed. So, for anyone wanting to know
> > exactly where the two accelerator rings are in the world it's now possible
> > to point them to OpenStreetMap. Another first for community mapping :-)
> >
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.2731&lon=6.073&zoom=12&layers=0B00FTF
> >
> > I hope the data made the planet dump (JIT), in which case it should appear
> > also on the Mapnik layer shortly.
> >
> > For now the two rings are tagged with highway=trunk and highway=primary
> > respectively. They also carry tunnel=true of course. There are a couple of
> > big notes tagged as well that confirm the highway tag is less than ideal
> > and
> > that something better needs to be used. But for now, since they don't
> > connect with the road network I don't think anyone will be routing over
> > them
> > ;-)
> >
> > enjoy
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Andy
> >
> 
> Not sure if you should be chastised for tagging for the renderer or
> commended for the PR effort :-P

Perhaps highway=footway, bicycle=yes, access=private isn't too far from
the truth? :)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:
> For now the two rings are tagged with highway=trunk and highway=primary
> respectively. 

Let's ask the OpenRouteService guys if they could provide particle 
routing. Do you have your oneway tags right?

Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-10 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - 
  From: Karl Newman 
  To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) 
  Cc: Talk Openstreetmap 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap


  On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:57 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> wrote:

Its not perfectly positioned and I think the circumference is a tad short
but I made a reasonably good insert of the CERN LHC (and SPS) into the
database last night in time for the first full circle beam test of the LHC,
which has just successfully completed. So, for anyone wanting to know
exactly where the two accelerator rings are in the world it's now possible
to point them to OpenStreetMap. Another first for community mapping :-)

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.2731&lon=6.073&zoom=12&layers=0B00FTF

I hope the data made the planet dump (JIT), in which case it should appear
also on the Mapnik layer shortly.

For now the two rings are tagged with highway=trunk and highway=primary
respectively. They also carry tunnel=true of course. There are a couple of
big notes tagged as well that confirm the highway tag is less than ideal and
that something better needs to be used. But for now, since they don't
connect with the road network I don't think anyone will be routing over them
;-)

enjoy

Cheers

Andy


  Not sure if you should be chastised for tagging for the renderer or commended 
for the PR effort :-P

  Karl

Definately commended. It gets my vote for next weeks featured image.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-10 Thread Karl Newman
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:57 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Its not perfectly positioned and I think the circumference is a tad short
> but I made a reasonably good insert of the CERN LHC (and SPS) into the
> database last night in time for the first full circle beam test of the LHC,
> which has just successfully completed. So, for anyone wanting to know
> exactly where the two accelerator rings are in the world it's now possible
> to point them to OpenStreetMap. Another first for community mapping :-)
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.2731&lon=6.073&zoom=12&layers=0B00FTF
>
> I hope the data made the planet dump (JIT), in which case it should appear
> also on the Mapnik layer shortly.
>
> For now the two rings are tagged with highway=trunk and highway=primary
> respectively. They also carry tunnel=true of course. There are a couple of
> big notes tagged as well that confirm the highway tag is less than ideal
> and
> that something better needs to be used. But for now, since they don't
> connect with the road network I don't think anyone will be routing over
> them
> ;-)
>
> enjoy
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>

Not sure if you should be chastised for tagging for the renderer or
commended for the PR effort :-P

Karl
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[OSM-talk] Large Hadron Collider at CERN now in OppenStreetMap

2008-09-10 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Its not perfectly positioned and I think the circumference is a tad short
but I made a reasonably good insert of the CERN LHC (and SPS) into the
database last night in time for the first full circle beam test of the LHC,
which has just successfully completed. So, for anyone wanting to know
exactly where the two accelerator rings are in the world it's now possible
to point them to OpenStreetMap. Another first for community mapping :-)

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.2731&lon=6.073&zoom=12&layers=0B00FTF

I hope the data made the planet dump (JIT), in which case it should appear
also on the Mapnik layer shortly.

For now the two rings are tagged with highway=trunk and highway=primary
respectively. They also carry tunnel=true of course. There are a couple of
big notes tagged as well that confirm the highway tag is less than ideal and
that something better needs to be used. But for now, since they don't
connect with the road network I don't think anyone will be routing over them
;-)

enjoy

Cheers

Andy




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