Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
Andy Allan wrote: > One thing needs to be said but doesn't seem to have been done > properly here: Thanks Eric, that's very generous and much > appreciated. Hear hear. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/openmaps.org-tp24058116p24071442.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Eric Pritchett wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I recently donated openmaps.org to the Open Street Map Foundation. > Everyone here is doing a great job with this project and I thought you > could make better use of the domain. One thing needs to be said but doesn't seem to have been done properly here: Thanks Eric, that's very generous and much appreciated. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
SteveC wrote: > Next I'm going to wake up in the morning and you'll be outside my house, > stalking me :-O Not to worry, Saturday we started a project to have the Chamber of Commerce in The Netherlands to be open 24x7 (like your patent office they close at night). I have already 1544818 persons to stalk in the morning, before I'll be at your place. Stefan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
On Jun 16, 2009, at 5:09 PM, SteveC wrote: > > On 16 Jun 2009, at 09:51, Stefan de Konink wrote: > >> Eric Pritchett wrote: >>> I'm sure there are more advantages, >> >> There is; there is no trade mark on the name :) > > There isn't on openstreetmap either. My understanding is that in the US a trademark on a product is created by doing trade, whereas in Europe it's created by registering. Seems to me like the OSMF has a trademark on a collection of geodata called OpenStreetMap(tm), at least in the US. It's easier to lose a trademark than to gain one, though. Easiest way to lose one is to claim that you don't have a trademark on it. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
On 16 Jun 2009, at 14:27, Stefan de Konink wrote: > SteveC wrote: >> Wrong again. The ™ was applied for the logo and the name > > So 'mark' means to me 'name' so OpenStreetMap was protected if it > was granted, yes? If, yes. >> in the UK and Europe and the Foundation owns the whole problem, not >> me. > > I thought you did 'something' in the foundation too ;) Yeah, but now the OSMF is liable, not me. >> Passive aggressiveness works much better when you're also correct :-) > > In your country it seems that companies can apply, and not persons > on their private home addresses ;) > > KT13 9DP != CR5 3QZ Next I'm going to wake up in the morning and you'll be outside my house, stalking me :-O Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
SteveC wrote: > Wrong again. The ™ was applied for the logo and the name So 'mark' means to me 'name' so OpenStreetMap was protected if it was granted, yes? > in the UK and > Europe and the Foundation owns the whole problem, not me. I thought you did 'something' in the foundation too ;) > Passive aggressiveness works much better when you're also correct :-) In your country it seems that companies can apply, and not persons on their private home addresses ;) KT13 9DP != CR5 3QZ But I am far too happy to be aggressive tonight :D The Dutch tax service was so nice :) Stefan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
Hi, Stefan de Konink wrote: > Ok, the first time they refused it: > http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2500154 > > But since you tried again in two categories... > http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ohim?ohimnum=E7366859 To the best of my knowledge, community trademarks are somewhat transactional - if they fail in one country, they fail altogether [*]. Thus even if the community application has not technically been refused yet, it would be rather unusual for it to go through. Personally, I think that a failed trademarking attempt is the best that could happen to us. This practically guarantees that nobody can take the name away from us (because they'd have to get a trademark for this and they won't), and at the same time does not give anyone, even if inside our community, the power and responsibility to tell the others what they may and may not do with the name. Sort of anarchy. Bye Frederik [*] This is different from international trademarks, where you pick the countries you want to apply in, and if it fails in half of them you've still got the trademark in the other half. -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
On 16 Jun 2009, at 14:15, Stefan de Konink wrote: > SteveC wrote: >> On 16 Jun 2009, at 09:51, Stefan de Konink wrote: >>> Eric Pritchett wrote: I'm sure there are more advantages, >>> >>> There is; there is no trade mark on the name :) >> There isn't on openstreetmap either. > > Ok, the first time they refused it: > http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2500154 > > But since you tried again in two categories... > http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ohim?ohimnum=E7366859 > > I think you should add 'yet'. Wrong again. The ™ was applied for the logo and the name in the UK and Europe and the Foundation owns the whole problem, not me. Passive aggressiveness works much better when you're also correct :-) Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
SteveC wrote: > > On 16 Jun 2009, at 09:51, Stefan de Konink wrote: > >> Eric Pritchett wrote: >>> I'm sure there are more advantages, >> >> There is; there is no trade mark on the name :) > > There isn't on openstreetmap either. Ok, the first time they refused it: http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2500154 But since you tried again in two categories... http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ohim?ohimnum=E7366859 I think you should add 'yet'. Stefan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
On 16 Jun 2009, at 09:51, Stefan de Konink wrote: > Eric Pritchett wrote: >> I'm sure there are more advantages, > > There is; there is no trade mark on the name :) There isn't on openstreetmap either. Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
On Jun 16, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Eric Pritchett wrote: > > * There is often a misconception that OSM is a street focused >project. I think this would be the most important. It's >amazing what a name can do. Sometimes you pick a name that has drawbacks. But everybody knows what the name means, and understands the product behind it. Take, for example, "Open Source". It was chosen to be descriptive; not a good idea if you want to use it as a trademark. "Free Software" has its own drawbacks if you want people to think about freedom rather than price. I try to emphasize that OSM is about geodata SUCH AS streets, just like the mission statement says. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
2009/6/16 Jonas Krückel : > Eric Pritchett schrieb: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I recently donated openmaps.org to the Open Street Map Foundation. >> Everyone here is doing a great job with this project and I thought you >> could make better use of the domain. Having said that, the foundation >> owns the domain now and has full control on what to do with it and I >> trust that everyone will make great use out of it. However, I would >> still like a discussion with everyone here on ideas on how the domain >> could be used. Although perhaps a big change I would suggest changing >> the root domain from openstreetmap.org to openmaps.org. I think in the >> long term this would payoff. Several advantages would include, but >> limited to: >> >> * There is often a misconception that OSM is a street focused >> project. I think this would be the most important. It's >> amazing what a name can do. >> * This would allow you to have the flexibility to do things like >> streets.openmaps.org or terrain.openmaps.org, etc without >> sounding redundant (i.e. streets.openstreetmap.org or >> openstreemap.org/street). >> * More simple, shorter domain name and easier to say and >> remember. >> * Open Maps seems broader and make more sense when standardizing >> things. For example, this terrain follows the "open maps >> standards" rather than "open street map standards" which may >> leave some people (especially new people) scratching their heads >> wondering what "streets" have to do with a just terrain map. >> > I see you points here, but I don't like the idea of changing the domain > name because the project is called openstreetmap and we would make a lot > of confusion, if we would change the name. > Some of your points can also be achieved by using the new domain osm.org > (see some brainstorming about more advanced url's here: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:John07/short_links) > If we would want to name the project correct today, we would probably > have to call it opengeodata because it is about the data and not about maps. > > But, what came to my mind as I read the topic of your email: > What about a site with thumbnails to the best open maps based on > openstreetmap data out there. The list is growing and with such a site > we could give new users a fast overview. I would make the design a bit > like the new topsites view of safari, about 4x4 thumbnails. At the > bottom we could add links to more thumbnail pages with more maps. This > would also fit great to your domain name. > To tie this up with the move the map thread, Maybe we could use different domains for different purposes, Keep openstreetmap.org to the mapping project but openmaps.org to what you can do with the data and a feature-full interface and getting the data used more. Just an idea. Peter. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
Eric Pritchett schrieb: > Hi Everyone, > > I recently donated openmaps.org to the Open Street Map Foundation. > Everyone here is doing a great job with this project and I thought you > could make better use of the domain. Having said that, the foundation > owns the domain now and has full control on what to do with it and I > trust that everyone will make great use out of it. However, I would > still like a discussion with everyone here on ideas on how the domain > could be used. Although perhaps a big change I would suggest changing > the root domain from openstreetmap.org to openmaps.org. I think in the > long term this would payoff. Several advantages would include, but > limited to: > > * There is often a misconception that OSM is a street focused > project. I think this would be the most important. It's > amazing what a name can do. > * This would allow you to have the flexibility to do things like > streets.openmaps.org or terrain.openmaps.org, etc without > sounding redundant (i.e. streets.openstreetmap.org or > openstreemap.org/street). > * More simple, shorter domain name and easier to say and > remember. > * Open Maps seems broader and make more sense when standardizing > things. For example, this terrain follows the "open maps > standards" rather than "open street map standards" which may > leave some people (especially new people) scratching their heads > wondering what "streets" have to do with a just terrain map. > I see you points here, but I don't like the idea of changing the domain name because the project is called openstreetmap and we would make a lot of confusion, if we would change the name. Some of your points can also be achieved by using the new domain osm.org (see some brainstorming about more advanced url's here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:John07/short_links) If we would want to name the project correct today, we would probably have to call it opengeodata because it is about the data and not about maps. But, what came to my mind as I read the topic of your email: What about a site with thumbnails to the best open maps based on openstreetmap data out there. The list is growing and with such a site we could give new users a fast overview. I would make the design a bit like the new topsites view of safari, about 4x4 thumbnails. At the bottom we could add links to more thumbnail pages with more maps. This would also fit great to your domain name. Regards, Jonas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
Eric Pritchett wrote: > I'm sure there are more advantages, There is; there is no trade mark on the name :) Stefan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
