Re: [talk-au] Tagging for "unofficial" Cycle routes in Lake Macquarie?
Hi. I agree with Ian. Routing sites should be able to connect up disconnected SUPs in a sensible manner. As an aside, it would be nice if sites like Bikely supported OSM as a background. - Ben. On Apr 23, 2012 9:07 AM, "Ian Sergeant" wrote: > I can see your argument, and no doubt having useful cycle routes available > is a good thing. > > However, I don't think personal ad-hoc cycle routes should be added to > OSM. It is a slippery slope, and OSM can't accommodation everyone's ideal > connecting route. > > Instead, I'd add the information (speed limits, road widths, residential > nature, cycle facilities (lanes, etc)) that would allow a typical cycle > router to be able to identify the connecting route between the two > cycleways. > > Personally, I think long term this is a better way to go anyway. Some of > the official cycle routes (particularly in Sydney) have poor cycle > facilities, and in the case of the currently tagged Concord to CBD cycleway > IMO is downright deadly. So many people have different opinions on what > makes a good cycle route for them, lets identify the features and get them > all into OSM, and then lets optimise the software to find the best way. > > There are lots of services to map personal favourite rides (bikely, > mapmyride, etc). > > Ian. > > On 22 April 2012 22:09, Lachlan Rogers wrote: > >> I've recently moved back to Lake Macquarie after some years in Canberra, >> and I'm delighted to find that there are more cycle paths around the >> central coast and Lake Macquarie than I was previously aware of. >> Unfortunately many of them are either incomplete or disconnected from each >> other. >> >> I am wanting to scout out optimal on-road routes to connect cycle paths >> into excellent recreational routes. For instance the recently opened >> Fernleigh (Rail trail) Track ends in Belmont, and just a few kms away there >> is a great path around Green Point. I want to tag a route (probably as >> "lcn") through the streets of Belmont so that viewers can see how best to >> join these rides together. To my knowledge there is no official >> council-endorsed cycle route. >> >> I recognise some people may have a philosophical aversion to this, >> because it is tagging based on usefulness rather than on what is "actually >> on the ground". I feel, however, that we have an opportunity to scout out >> optimal connections and start using them for cycling now, while we lobby >> councils to make such routes "official". I would choose a tagging scheme >> along the lines of "network=lcn" with "status=unofficial" or something so >> that these routes could be located by a search algorithm if needed. >> >> I've spent a while looking around the web, and there are no decent >> cycling maps of the region to be found. OSM and OpenCycleMap would be a >> superb resource if we took the liberty of tagging "desired routes" such as >> I have outlined. >> >> How do you feel about this suggestion? >> >> - Lachlan >> >> ___ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> >> > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tagging for "unofficial" Cycle routes in Lake Macquarie?
I can see your argument, and no doubt having useful cycle routes available is a good thing. However, I don't think personal ad-hoc cycle routes should be added to OSM. It is a slippery slope, and OSM can't accommodation everyone's ideal connecting route. Instead, I'd add the information (speed limits, road widths, residential nature, cycle facilities (lanes, etc)) that would allow a typical cycle router to be able to identify the connecting route between the two cycleways. Personally, I think long term this is a better way to go anyway. Some of the official cycle routes (particularly in Sydney) have poor cycle facilities, and in the case of the currently tagged Concord to CBD cycleway IMO is downright deadly. So many people have different opinions on what makes a good cycle route for them, lets identify the features and get them all into OSM, and then lets optimise the software to find the best way. There are lots of services to map personal favourite rides (bikely, mapmyride, etc). Ian. On 22 April 2012 22:09, Lachlan Rogers wrote: > I've recently moved back to Lake Macquarie after some years in Canberra, > and I'm delighted to find that there are more cycle paths around the > central coast and Lake Macquarie than I was previously aware of. > Unfortunately many of them are either incomplete or disconnected from each > other. > > I am wanting to scout out optimal on-road routes to connect cycle paths > into excellent recreational routes. For instance the recently opened > Fernleigh (Rail trail) Track ends in Belmont, and just a few kms away there > is a great path around Green Point. I want to tag a route (probably as > "lcn") through the streets of Belmont so that viewers can see how best to > join these rides together. To my knowledge there is no official > council-endorsed cycle route. > > I recognise some people may have a philosophical aversion to this, because > it is tagging based on usefulness rather than on what is "actually on the > ground". I feel, however, that we have an opportunity to scout out optimal > connections and start using them for cycling now, while we lobby councils > to make such routes "official". I would choose a tagging scheme along the > lines of "network=lcn" with "status=unofficial" or something so that these > routes could be located by a search algorithm if needed. > > I've spent a while looking around the web, and there are no decent cycling > maps of the region to be found. OSM and OpenCycleMap would be a superb > resource if we took the liberty of tagging "desired routes" such as I have > outlined. > > How do you feel about this suggestion? > > - Lachlan > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Tagging for "unofficial" Cycle routes in Lake Macquarie?
I've recently moved back to Lake Macquarie after some years in Canberra, and I'm delighted to find that there are more cycle paths around the central coast and Lake Macquarie than I was previously aware of. Unfortunately many of them are either incomplete or disconnected from each other. I am wanting to scout out optimal on-road routes to connect cycle paths into excellent recreational routes. For instance the recently opened Fernleigh (Rail trail) Track ends in Belmont, and just a few kms away there is a great path around Green Point. I want to tag a route (probably as "lcn") through the streets of Belmont so that viewers can see how best to join these rides together. To my knowledge there is no official council-endorsed cycle route. I recognise some people may have a philosophical aversion to this, because it is tagging based on usefulness rather than on what is "actually on the ground". I feel, however, that we have an opportunity to scout out optimal connections and start using them for cycling now, while we lobby councils to make such routes "official". I would choose a tagging scheme along the lines of "network=lcn" with "status=unofficial" or something so that these routes could be located by a search algorithm if needed. I've spent a while looking around the web, and there are no decent cycling maps of the region to be found. OSM and OpenCycleMap would be a superb resource if we took the liberty of tagging "desired routes" such as I have outlined. How do you feel about this suggestion? - Lachlan ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
