Re: [talk-au] Removing ABS data
Ben, It appears that ABS data that is inland may connect to the coastline but doesn't continue along it with the same way. Therefore I'm pretty sure that if you are carefull not to actually click on the coastline at all, then you will be quite safe. Happy cleaning Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Removing ABS data
Sam Wilson wrote: > All good points, Nick. Thanks. Except for the childish "dark side" comments. Nick, please accept that people have their reasons for declining the CTs, just as you presumably have your reasons for accepting. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Removing ABS data
Ben wrote "I'm particularly worried about large slabs of coastline disappearing." Ben, I'm avoiding touching the coastline since it does not get in my way for remapping roads and since I don't want to "flood" all of australia :-). I'll have a pretend delete session of ABS ways near coastlines tonight to see if it is easy to avoid the coastline. If not we'll have to split the way near the coast to isolate it from the coast before deleting it. I know for a fact that Frederick would love to be the one to finally get rid of that coastline and put a previous clean version in its place (which we could then improve from imagery over time). What I'm doing is deleting all the unedited ABS data (author is still ABS_2006) from an area which I will soon be cleaning. Then I wait for the OSM_inspector to remove their red dots/lines then I'm ready to work on that area. Any boundary data left in the area I try to recover clean tags from acceptors history and remap from imagery if available. If I can't then I just leave it for others or for the April rinse down. Cheers Nick PS don't worry about the broken boundary multipoligon relations, they can be removed holus-bolus any time later. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Removing ABS data
On 29/12/2011, at 12:56, Nick Hocking wrote: > Also the places where people have mixed the ABS data with otherwise good data > need to be > looked at individually, now, to try to save as much good data as possible. > > Nick > ___ Well said, and I think a few people are itching to get started but need a nudge in the right direction. Is there any problem with us simply deleting ABS boundaries as we progressively "cleanse" each area? I'm particularly worried about large slabs of coastline disappearing. BJ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Removing ABS data
On Thu, December 29, 2011 9:56 am, Nick Hocking wrote: > Sam wrote > > "Is it necessary to remove that data now, before the big change-over date? > 1. Is there not still a chance that people who have declined the new > licence > will change their minds, and accept? > 2. Surely there's some magic in the works, that is going to swiftly and > completely remove the non-compliant data for us?" > > Yes, I think it is necessary to delete this data now... > > Firstly, the importer of this data has moved over to the dark side and > seems to be > relishing in the possible data loss to the OSM project. So there isn't a > chance in hell > of him accepting the CT's. > > Even if he did, I'm not sure the ABS data would be allowed to be relicenced > under Odbl. > And even if it was, this data is woefully out of date and now almost > useless anyway. > > Also the ABS data appear as "red dots and lines" in Fredricks tainted data > display and > this masks out other bad data that needs to be removed and either remapped > or OSM mappers > good data recovered from history - where available. > > Also the places where people have mixed the ABS data with otherwise good > data need to be > looked at individually, now, to try to save as much good data as possible. > > Nick All good points, Nick. Thanks. I guess I've been hoping that it doesn't come down to individually looking at everything and manually fixing things... but it does (if we're to save as much data as possible) and so I'm quite happy to get cracking with it... :-) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Removing ABS data
On Thu, December 29, 2011 9:40 am, Mark Pulley wrote: > Quoting Sam Wilson : >> 2. Surely there's some magic in the works, that is going to swiftly and >> completely remove the non-compliant data for us? > > I'm hoping for this too. I suggested this a couple of weeks ago here, > and put the suggestion on the implementation plan talk page on the > wiki a few days ago, but haven't heard anything since. > Surely this is a world-wide problem, though? I mean, certainly Australia might have more non-compliant data than elsewhere (I don't really know) but there *must* be some plan for how to deal with it all? It seems to be the crux of the whole licence change! Hmm. Well, I'll keep an eye on the wiki. And maybe bother to sign up to some other of the mailing lists; perhaps I'm just missing the main place for these discussions... (not that I mind, come to think of it; mapping for me is more about walking, beer-drinking, and pretty squiggles on the screen, than worrying ;-) ). - Sam. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Removing ABS data
Sam wrote "Is it necessary to remove that data now, before the big change-over date? 1. Is there not still a chance that people who have declined the new licence will change their minds, and accept? 2. Surely there's some magic in the works, that is going to swiftly and completely remove the non-compliant data for us?" Yes, I think it is necessary to delete this data now... Firstly, the importer of this data has moved over to the dark side and seems to be relishing in the possible data loss to the OSM project. So there isn't a chance in hell of him accepting the CT's. Even if he did, I'm not sure the ABS data would be allowed to be relicenced under Odbl. And even if it was, this data is woefully out of date and now almost useless anyway. Also the ABS data appear as "red dots and lines" in Fredricks tainted data display and this masks out other bad data that needs to be removed and either remapped or OSM mappers good data recovered from history - where available. Also the places where people have mixed the ABS data with otherwise good data need to be looked at individually, now, to try to save as much good data as possible. Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Removing ABS data
Quoting Sam Wilson : Is it necessary to remove that data now, before the big change-over date? 1. Is there not still a chance that people who have declined the new licence will change their minds, and accept? There is still that chance for some users. For the ABS data, that was added by a specific account, the owner of the account has declined, and it is unlikely he will change his mind. 2. Surely there's some magic in the works, that is going to swiftly and completely remove the non-compliant data for us? I'm hoping for this too. I suggested this a couple of weeks ago here, and put the suggestion on the implementation plan talk page on the wiki a few days ago, but haven't heard anything since. Mark P. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Removing ABS data
On Mon, December 26, 2011 9:03 pm, Nick Hocking wrote: > Since the ABS boundary data has to be removed anyway, does anyone see any > problem with doing it now (in bits and pieces). > > Doing so would make the job of remapping the tainted data a lot easier. > > Alternativelt, it would be really beneficial if the DWG removed all the ABS > data right now. (leaving any nodes that some people may have > glued to real objects. These node would be taken care of individually. > > Nick Is it necessary to remove that data now, before the big change-over date? 1. Is there not still a chance that people who have declined the new licence will change their minds, and accept? 2. Surely there's some magic in the works, that is going to swiftly and completely remove the non-compliant data for us? Well, perhaps only the latter. I haven't read anything very specific about what's going to happen in April (that's when it is, isn't it?) with regards to exactly what's going to be deleted. But I can't imagine that it's going to be left up to manual processes. So I'm not deleting anything much yet, unless there's some data right in my way... which there isn't, because I've got the ABS data turned off in JOSM and anyway I'm trying to only add new data until all this silliness is resolved. ;-) - Sam. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Removing ABS data
Mark wrote >On 27/12/2011, at 12:03 AM, Nick Hocking wrote: >>* Since the ABS boundary data has to be removed anyway, does anyone see any problem with doing it now (in bits and pieces). *>* *>* Doing so would make the job of remapping >>the tainted data a lot easier. * >I don't have an objection to the boundaries going - although I would remove the unedited ways first, leaving any ways subsequently edited for later deletion (e.g. waterway tag >added). It would be nice to have a list of ways like this so they can be separated from the ABS data prior to deletion. (Any volunteers for this?) >Mark P. Yes indeed, I've being doing just that, although I did manage to recover part of Tumut river after deleting some interfering ABS ways. It had been realigned to the ABS data (or vice versa) but the Bing imagery was adequate to remap it. There is a lot more of Tumut river to disentangle from the ABS data and I will eventually get round to it. If no one else has produced a list of edited ABS ways then I will do so on the weekend. I could do it right now simply by AWKing through a planet file but I want to relearn how to use osmosis properly. Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Removing ABS data
On 27/12/2011, at 12:03 AM, Nick Hocking wrote: > Since the ABS boundary data has to be removed anyway, does anyone see any > problem with doing it now (in bits and pieces). > > Doing so would make the job of remapping the tainted data a lot easier. I don't have an objection to the boundaries going - although I would remove the unedited ways first, leaving any ways subsequently edited for later deletion (e.g. waterway tag added). It would be nice to have a list of ways like this so they can be separated from the ABS data prior to deletion. (Any volunteers for this?) Mark P. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Removing ABS data
Since the ABS boundary data has to be removed anyway, does anyone see any problem with doing it now (in bits and pieces). Doing so would make the job of remapping the tainted data a lot easier. Alternativelt, it would be really beneficial if the DWG removed all the ABS data right now. (leaving any nodes that some people may have glued to real objects. These node would be taken care of individually. Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
