Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-09 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 10:56 +1000, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:39 PM, James Livingston  
> wrote:
> > Did you select Nearmap from the background-image setting, or use Edit on 
> > the Nearmap site?
> 
> Yech. Who to blame, the way Nearmap launches Potlatch, or the way
> Potlatch handles being launched externally?

Personally, Im glad that potlatch remembers the settings from last time.
I dont want to have to go and select my background layer everytime I
reload potlatch.  Not all potlatch users like the default settings, and
Im glad to know that if I make custom changes, such as typing in a
background layer URL, that it will be saved for next time.

David


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Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:39 PM, James Livingston  wrote:
> Did you select Nearmap from the background-image setting, or use Edit on the 
> Nearmap site?

I did use the latter method once, but the behaviour persists each time
I load openstreetmap, and in three different browsers. Ah...the
background image setting did get changed to "custom". And it didn't
reset the next time I launched openstreetmap normally.

Yech. Who to blame, the way Nearmap launches Potlatch, or the way
Potlatch handles being launched externally?

Steve

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Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-09 Thread Ben Last
If there's an extra URL parameter we can supply when launching
Potlatch, that will specify the source string, that's an easy change
that we can make.
Cheers
b

On 9 June 2010 18:39, James Livingston  wrote:
> On 09/06/2010, at 1:20 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
>> Err, and just now I notice that when you press "b" in Potlatch, instead of 
>> creating "source=nearmap", it creates a tag like 
>> "http://www.nearmap.com/kh/zxy=!,!,!";. Wonder when this change happened, and 
>> is that a bug? It sure looks like it...
>
> Did you select Nearmap from the background-image setting, or use Edit on the 
> Nearmap site?
>
> The former will get you source=nearmap as it's a potlatch setting, the latter 
> the url because that's what passed in when launching Potlatch.
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Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-09 Thread James Livingston
On 09/06/2010, at 1:20 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> Err, and just now I notice that when you press "b" in Potlatch, instead of 
> creating "source=nearmap", it creates a tag like 
> "http://www.nearmap.com/kh/zxy=!,!,!";. Wonder when this change happened, and 
> is that a bug? It sure looks like it...

Did you select Nearmap from the background-image setting, or use Edit on the 
Nearmap site?

The former will get you source=nearmap as it's a potlatch setting, the latter 
the url because that's what passed in when launching Potlatch.
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Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-09 Thread James Andrewartha
On 9 June 2010 11:20, Steve Bennett  wrote:
> Err, and just now I notice that when you press "b" in Potlatch, instead of
> creating "source=nearmap", it creates a tag like
> "http://www.nearmap.com/kh/zxy=!,!,!";. Wonder when this change happened, and
> is that a bug? It sure looks like it...

It depends on what the background setting in Potlatch is - when
clicking Edit on nearmap.com it's set to that value, but if you
manually select "Australia: NearMap" in the Potlatch preferences it'll
set "source=nearmap".

James

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Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-08 Thread Steve Bennett
Err, and just now I notice that when you press "b" in Potlatch, instead of
creating "source=nearmap", it creates a tag like "
http://www.nearmap.com/kh/zxy=!,!,!";. Wonder when this change happened, and
is that a bug? It sure looks like it...

Stve
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Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Neil Penman  wrote:

> Only the vast majority of these were not sourced from Nearmap (except in
> some of the country areas not previously covered by Yahoo).  They may have
> been updated by somebody using nearmap imagery, mostly trivial changes, but
> they would have been originally created via survey or from Yahoo. Certainly
> names would not have been sourced from nearmap.  Wouldn't it would make more
> sense if the source tag was only applied to changesets?  Even that is not
> ideal as in one changeset multiple sources could  be used, ie survey for
> names, nearmap for layout.
>

Hmm, a source tag applied to changesets sort of makes sense, except that I
find changesets very nebulous and awkward objects to work with (in Potlatch,
anyway).

I personally have been doing a fair bit of what you describe, in Melbourne.
Mostly fixing stuff that was traced from MMBW - quite a lot of minor road
realignments, new dead-ends, roundabouts etc etc. I eventually settled on
changing the "source=MMBW" to "source:name=MMBW" and adding
"source=nearmap". Sometimes if I'm only changing a couple of points, I'll
tag those nodes individually.

Still, I add a lot of new stuff too: tracing landuse=retail, adding
highway=cycleway, quite a few laneways, and there are still a surprisingly
large number of streets missing in Melbourne. Oh, and a few major duplicated
roads (eg, Nepean Highway, South Road) need a lot of work: missing service
roads, missing cut-throughs, missing junctions, junctions that don't
exist...

Steve
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Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-07 Thread Neil Penman
Only the vast majority of these were not sourced from Nearmap (except in
 some of the country areas not previously covered by Yahoo).  They may 
have been updated by somebody using nearmap imagery, mostly trivial 
changes, but they would have been originally created via survey or from 
Yahoo. Certainly names would not have been sourced from nearmap.  
Wouldn't it would make more sense if the source tag was only applied to 
changesets?  Even that is not ideal as in one changeset multiple sources
 could  be used, ie survey for names, nearmap for layout.

--- On Mon, 7/6/10, Ross Scanlon  wrote:

From: Ross Scanlon 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Received: Monday, 7 June, 2010, 6:44 PM

On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:45:20 +1000
John Smith  wrote:

> On 7 June 2010 15:41, Steve Bennett  wrote:
> > http://www.itoworld.com/product/osm/map?colour=table&style=_default_osm_tags&area=4687:0&sort=total-&show=key_values:8
> >
> > I only just discovered ItoWorld, heh.
> 
> I think Ross reported the other week about almost 100,000 objects in
> OSM tagged with Nearmap as the source.

Currently from tagwatch

nodes    16274
ways    119647
relations 154

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Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 June 2010 13:31, Neil Penman  wrote:
>
> Only the vast majority of these were not sourced from Nearmap (except in some 
> of the country areas not previously covered by Yahoo).  They may have been 
> updated by somebody using nearmap imagery, mostly trivial changes, but they 
> would have been originally created via survey or from Yahoo. Certainly names 
> would not have been sourced from nearmap.  Wouldn't it would make more sense 
> if the source tag was only applied to changesets?  Even that is not ideal as 
> in one changeset multiple sources could  be used, ie survey for names, 
> nearmap for layout.

The vast majority of the information I personally sourced as nearmap
has been new content, and not just in regional areas there completely
new suburbs that weren't built when yahoo imagery was taken, or I
added source:location=* tags, I disagree about only setting source as
part of the changeset tags, while nearmap imagery might be used for
locations it isn't used for naming etc.

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Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-07 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:45:20 +1000
John Smith  wrote:

> On 7 June 2010 15:41, Steve Bennett  wrote:
> > http://www.itoworld.com/product/osm/map?colour=table&style=_default_osm_tags&area=4687:0&sort=total-&show=key_values:8
> >
> > I only just discovered ItoWorld, heh.
> 
> I think Ross reported the other week about almost 100,000 objects in
> OSM tagged with Nearmap as the source.

Currently from tagwatch

nodes   16274
ways119647
relations 154

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Cheers
Ross

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Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 June 2010 15:41, Steve Bennett  wrote:
> http://www.itoworld.com/product/osm/map?colour=table&style=_default_osm_tags&area=4687:0&sort=total-&show=key_values:8
>
> I only just discovered ItoWorld, heh.

I think Ross reported the other week about almost 100,000 objects in
OSM tagged with Nearmap as the source.

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[talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-06 Thread Steve Bennett
http://www.itoworld.com/product/osm/map?colour=table&style=_default_osm_tags&area=4687:0&sort=total-&show=key_values:8

I only just discovered ItoWorld, heh.

Steve

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