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On 11/06/10 19:28, John Smith wrote: > Thanks for going to so much effort, I was only expecting 1 or 2 shots > of the same stile... No problem - just a pleasant bicycle ride along the BNT for a retiree. John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 11 June 2010 15:36, John Henderson wrote: > I'm new to this digital photography thing, but I've photographed 7 > different cavalettis and put them here: Thanks for going to so much effort, I was only expecting 1 or 2 shots of the same stile... > http://www.flickr.com/photos/51019...@n07/ I haven't used flicker but you can tag images in such a way they they link to OSM objects... eg http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankieroberto/3396068360/ > I presume you can just lift what you want from there. Yep: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dhorse_stile ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 10/06/10 10:33, John Smith wrote: > On 10 June 2010 06:49, John Henderson wrote: >> I'm more than happy to go with "barrier=horse_stile", given that established >> usage. I'll change the cavalettis I've already tagged, and look at putting >> a note on the map features page when I take some photos. > > Can someone get a picture of one of these that we can use on the wiki? I'm new to this digital photography thing, but I've photographed 7 different cavalettis and put them here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/51019...@n07/ I presume you can just lift what you want from there. John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Jim Croft wrote: > there is one near my place... will try and iPhone it this weekend... Could you perhaps take a photo of it instead? /camera snob -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 10/06/10 15:08, John Smith wrote: > > As I said, it was just a stub page, feel free to extend it :) I've added "In some countries, a horse stile might be more commonly called a cavaletti or a horse hop." John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 10 June 2010 14:33, John Henderson wrote: > Shouldn't the page header and text say "horse_stile" instead of "horse > stile" (ie, with an underscore instead of a space)? I didn't put a lot of effort into the page, I just fixed this will a wiki page tag... > And would it also be a good idea to mention cavalettis and horse hops, so > that mappers searching for those thing would discover the horse_stile tag? As I said, it was just a stub page, feel free to extend it :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 10/06/10 11:15, John Smith wrote: > On 10 June 2010 11:10, Jim Croft wrote: >> there is one near my place... will try and iPhone it this weekend... > > Thanks, in the mean time I wrote a stub page: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dhorse_stile Shouldn't the page header and text say "horse_stile" instead of "horse stile" (ie, with an underscore instead of a space)? And would it also be a good idea to mention cavalettis and horse hops, so that mappers searching for those thing would discover the horse_stile tag? John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 10 June 2010 11:10, Jim Croft wrote: > there is one near my place... will try and iPhone it this weekend... Thanks, in the mean time I wrote a stub page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dhorse_stile ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Four messages in a row. Way to destroy a thread with verbal diarrhoea. *sigh* Steve On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 5:55 PM, John Smith wrote: > On 9 June 2010 17:29, John Smith wrote: >> On 9 June 2010 17:28, John Smith wrote: >>> Just found something, it seems the brits refer to them as horse >>> stiles... like a turnstile but for horses... >>> >> >> And the americans call them horse hops... >> > > They seem to be called horse stiles in NZ, or maybe it was a brit > taking photos in NZ... > > http://picasaweb.google.com/vivdnz/WhitfordBeach#5233485378494600946 > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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there is one near my place... will try and iPhone it this weekend... jim On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:33 AM, John Smith wrote: > On 10 June 2010 06:49, John Henderson wrote: >> I'm more than happy to go with "barrier=horse_stile", given that established >> usage. I'll change the cavalettis I've already tagged, and look at putting >> a note on the map features page when I take some photos. > > Can someone get a picture of one of these that we can use on the wiki? > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 10 June 2010 06:49, John Henderson wrote: > I'm more than happy to go with "barrier=horse_stile", given that established > usage. I'll change the cavalettis I've already tagged, and look at putting > a note on the map features page when I take some photos. Can someone get a picture of one of these that we can use on the wiki? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 09/06/10 17:28, John Smith wrote: > Just found something, it seems the brits refer to them as horse > stiles... like a turnstile but for horses... Rather than a turnstile, more like the existing "barrier=stile", which allows a walker to cross a fence using rudimentary stairs/steps to climb it. A very simple one in the top photo here: http://www.leapingstiles.co.uk/ I already use that tag for conventional stiles on walking tracks. Thanks for the horse_stile find, reinforced by Simon Biber's research. I'm more than happy to go with "barrier=horse_stile", given that established usage. I'll change the cavalettis I've already tagged, and look at putting a note on the map features page when I take some photos. John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Looks like someone else was asking for the same things to be included already: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/New_barrier_types#other_new_values ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 9:29 AM, John Smith wrote: > On 9 June 2010 09:04, Franc Carter wrote: > > One of the things I most wished for from my pre gps days was for maps to > > have turn restrictions marked. > > Is there a good way to do this without cluttering the map? > Good question, my thought was little restriciton signs in the nagle between the affected streets. Not sure how much this would clutter things however cheers > > These have real value and should be displayed prominently on a map > used for driving navigation, maybe OSM needs to start rendering more > specialist maps for specific purposes, but this is a debate for a > different list. > -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 9 June 2010 20:04, Liz wrote: > well we should make one > it may have limited use It'd be nice if there were some Australasian cartographers we could ask about these sorts of map design issues... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, Ben Last wrote: > On 9 June 2010 12:47, John Smith wrote: > > Most aussie maps show dirt roads as a dashed line, but this might > > upset/confuse the Europeans... > > Is there no tag for "paved with gold"? > > b well we should make one it may have limited use ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:14 AM, John Henderson wrote: > > On trails which horses use, there's often a type of above-ground "cattle > > grid" called a "cavaletti". Typically, it would consist of about 4 > > widely-spaced logs across the track at a height of about a half a metre. > > The idea is that a riderless horse will not cross this (and perhaps > > escape on to a road). > > Oh, is *that* what they're for. I have seen one or two of those > around, like on a bridleway near Rowville, Vic: > > http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.958364,145.26343&z=22&t=h&nmd=20100416 > > They're pretty good at stopping mountain bikers too. :) > > Steve > my quick search showed me that motorcyclists were one of their targets ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, John Henderson wrote: > On 09/06/10 09:40, John Smith wrote: > > The name might be correct, but I don't think it is a good choice for a > > name since it doesn't appear even in wikipedia, then again I can't > > seem to find anything better, nor any images of permanent > > installations. > > Almost completely obscured by cyclists, but you get the idea: > > http://members.pcug.org.au/~rmeurone/mtb/bacon03/bacon03-Pages/Image1.html > > It runs parallel to the left-hand fence, where the continuation of that > fence is a cavaletti with parallel log-fence sides. > > John H > > I figured out it was Italian, babelfish didn't help but finally Cavaletti, the Italian word meaning "little horses," plenty of Australian web references to cavaletti ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, John Smith wrote: > Can you post any links to where you've seen these fixed barriers > referred to anything but jumps? because if you can't prove it to JS you'll be mincemeat on the wiki ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, John Smith wrote: > Generic shop icons, I think it's important that something renders on > the map, even if it's just the name and a generic icon for points of > interest like shops, currently on a select subset of shops are > rendering > http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3043 if you put a street number, that will render :-$ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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John Smith wrote: > They seem to be called horse stiles in NZ, or maybe it was a brit > taking photos in NZ... I found the website of an Australian business, Town & Country Maintenance & Fencing, based in northern Adelaide. There's a clear picture and a description on this gallery page: http://townandcountryfences.com.au/index.php?mact=Album,mec8c1,default,1&mec8c1albumid=5&mec8c1returnid=104&page=104 Right-hand column, 4th picture down, is described as "Horse Stile for horse trails to prevent motorbikes being able to access horse trails." Direct link to picture: http://townandcountryfences.com.au/uploads/images/21032009008.jpg Regards, Simon. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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For those not on the talk list, there is a free set of icons someone has produced, these could be useful for adding to trac requests for new things to render: http://www.sjjb.co.uk/mapicons/ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 9 June 2010 17:29, John Smith wrote: > On 9 June 2010 17:28, John Smith wrote: >> Just found something, it seems the brits refer to them as horse >> stiles... like a turnstile but for horses... >> > > And the americans call them horse hops... > They seem to be called horse stiles in NZ, or maybe it was a brit taking photos in NZ... http://picasaweb.google.com/vivdnz/WhitfordBeach#5233485378494600946 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 9 June 2010 17:28, John Smith wrote: > Just found something, it seems the brits refer to them as horse > stiles... like a turnstile but for horses... > And the americans call them horse hops... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Just found something, it seems the brits refer to them as horse stiles... like a turnstile but for horses... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 9 June 2010 17:17, John Henderson wrote: > There's plenty of evidence now that the correct term is "cavaletti". I've > also found a BNT area coordinator, and active horsewoman, referring to them > by that term. Doesn't mean the term hasn't been abused, the only thing on google I can find is about horse jumps, and only the temporary kind, and nothing on wikipedia, this seems to me that they may be called by something else so as not to confuse them with jumps... > I feel that its being a barrier cavaletti and not a jump is completely and > adequately given by the tag "barrier=cavaletti". Can you post any links to where you've seen these fixed barriers referred to anything but jumps? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 09/06/10 16:55, John Smith wrote: > On 9 June 2010 10:08, John Henderson wrote: >> barrier=cattle_grid >> cattle_grid=cavaletti > > What about: > > barrier=horse_grid > > They aren't cattle grids, and they aren't proper cavalettis either > from what I've seen, cavalettis seem to be horse jumps these barriers > aren't meant to be jumped, in fact they make them large enough to > dissuade a horse from crossing at all without a little extra > encouragement. There's plenty of evidence now that the correct term is "cavaletti". I've also found a BNT area coordinator, and active horsewoman, referring to them by that term. "horse_grid" is potentially much more ambiguous. I feel that its being a barrier cavaletti and not a jump is completely and adequately given by the tag "barrier=cavaletti". John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 9 June 2010 10:08, John Henderson wrote: > barrier=cattle_grid > cattle_grid=cavaletti What about: barrier=horse_grid They aren't cattle grids, and they aren't proper cavalettis either from what I've seen, cavalettis seem to be horse jumps these barriers aren't meant to be jumped, in fact they make them large enough to dissuade a horse from crossing at all without a little extra encouragement. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 9 June 2010 14:14, David Murn wrote: > One thing Id like to see tagged in some way, is railway ends. These are > tagged as railway=buffer_stop, but dont have any indication on the > rendered map. This makes it difficult sometimes to know if a track ends > at the node, or if it simply hasnt been mapped any further. All it > would need is a single black dot, or an X or something at the end of the > line. I'd suggest asking for it to render identically to barrier=bollard or you could point to a SVG image, not sure if the JOSM image is SVG or not. > How do we go about getting these ideas added to the map? Interestingly, You go to http://trac.openstreetmap.org and click the 'login' link, then you search (top right) for similar terms to make sure there isn't another bug already, otherwise click on 'New Ticket', change the type from defect to enhancement, then change the 'Component' from 'admin' to 'mapnik' then you just need to type in a short description such as 'It'd be nice to render railway=buffer_stop' and then a slightly longer description below it on how you think it could be rendered etc. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 9 June 2010 12:47, John Smith wrote: > Most aussie maps show dirt roads as a dashed line, but this might > upset/confuse the Europeans... Is there no tag for "paved with gold"? b -- Ben Last Development Manager (HyperWeb) NearMap Pty Ltd ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 9 June 2010 11:24, Steve Bennett wrote: > I'd also like some basic surface information to be rendered. Dividing I previously filed a bug for surface=sand to render the same as natural=beach for exactly this reason: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2873 > the surface universe into "paved/untagged" vs "everything else" would > be a good start. Most aussie maps show dirt roads as a dashed line, but this might upset/confuse the Europeans... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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One thing Id like to see tagged in some way, is railway ends. These are tagged as railway=buffer_stop, but dont have any indication on the rendered map. This makes it difficult sometimes to know if a track ends at the node, or if it simply hasnt been mapped any further. All it would need is a single black dot, or an X or something at the end of the line. How do we go about getting these ideas added to the map? Interestingly, my example of railway=buffer_stop isnt mentioned on the railway= page, but it is listed on the map features page. There are almost 1400 occurances according to osmdoc. David On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 06:58 +1000, John Smith wrote: > Mapping a few things locally and noticed some things don't render, so > I filed bugs about them: > > Rendering waterway=drain areas, these are now very mappable anywhere > Nearmap has made imagery available, but only ways currently render: > http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3041 > > Rendering operator=* tags if name=* is missing, currently nothing is > rendered but operator shows up in JOSM > http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3042 > > Generic shop icons, I think it's important that something renders on > the map, even if it's just the name and a generic icon for points of > interest like shops, currently on a select subset of shops are > rendering > http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3043 > > Does anyone else have any thoughts on what else should be rendered? > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:26 PM, John Henderson wrote: > Not too good at bunny-hopping? Seriously, it's easy to carry a bike > across, even with a load. I don't know about "easy". Possible, certainly. The spacing and the knee-height bars are pretty awkward - can't walk on the logs, can't conveniently walk between them. But I'm not actually complaining. Second the notion that they're completely different to cattle grids. They're more like a "barrier=cycle_barrier", perhaps "barrier=horse_barrier"? Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 09/06/10 11:20, Steve Bennett wrote: > Oh, is *that* what they're for. I have seen one or two of those > around, like on a bridleway near Rowville, Vic: > > http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.958364,145.26343&z=22&t=h&nmd=20100416 I found an ACT government pdf which also stresses their usefulness for keeping motor vehicles out. That makes a cavaletti quite different from a cattle_grid. In fact, it implies a no-access restriction for the likes of cars and motor bikes. But access=yes for ridden horses (not pulling a cart) and for pedestrians and bicycles. > They're pretty good at stopping mountain bikers too. :) Not too good at bunny-hopping? Seriously, it's easy to carry a bike across, even with a load. John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:58 AM, John Smith wrote: > Mapping a few things locally and noticed some things don't render, so > I filed bugs about them: I'd really like golf course features to be rendered. I find it a bit ironic that Best of OpenStreetMap includes a golf course with bunkers mapped as beaches: http://bestofosm.org/?type=tilesathome&lon=77.02036&lat=10.91120&zoom=17 I'd also like some basic surface information to be rendered. Dividing the surface universe into "paved/untagged" vs "everything else" would be a good start. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:14 AM, John Henderson wrote: > On trails which horses use, there's often a type of above-ground "cattle > grid" called a "cavaletti". Typically, it would consist of about 4 > widely-spaced logs across the track at a height of about a half a metre. > The idea is that a riderless horse will not cross this (and perhaps > escape on to a road). Oh, is *that* what they're for. I have seen one or two of those around, like on a bridleway near Rowville, Vic: http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.958364,145.26343&z=22&t=h&nmd=20100416 They're pretty good at stopping mountain bikers too. :) Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 9 June 2010 10:08, John Henderson wrote: > might be a little better. But I don't see the problem in applying the > correct technical term to it up front. It's hardly more obscure than some "correct" is pretty subjective when it comes to these things, since most answers will be biased by cultural, language etc... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 09/06/10 09:51, John Smith wrote: > Best descriptive term I can think of is: > > barrier=horse_jump > >> From the quick reading I did, and this picture: > > http://www.texashorsemansdirectory.com/cavalet.gif > > A "cavaletti" is only one type of horse jump, so: > > barrier=horse_jump > horse_jump=cavaletti > > Might be more useful. Except that these are not jumped. The horse walks it with human guidance and reassurance. barrier=cattle_grid cattle_grid=cavaletti might be a little better. But I don't see the problem in applying the correct technical term to it up front. It's hardly more obscure than some existing things like "barrier=kent_carriage_gap". John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 09/06/10 09:40, John Smith wrote: > The name might be correct, but I don't think it is a good choice for a > name since it doesn't appear even in wikipedia, then again I can't > seem to find anything better, nor any images of permanent > installations. Almost completely obscured by cyclists, but you get the idea: http://members.pcug.org.au/~rmeurone/mtb/bacon03/bacon03-Pages/Image1.html It runs parallel to the left-hand fence, where the continuation of that fence is a cavaletti with parallel log-fence sides. John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Best descriptive term I can think of is: barrier=horse_jump >From the quick reading I did, and this picture: http://www.texashorsemansdirectory.com/cavalet.gif A "cavaletti" is only one type of horse jump, so: barrier=horse_jump horse_jump=cavaletti Might be more useful. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 9 June 2010 09:33, John Henderson wrote: > The name is correct. I've found several references to the need to cross a > cavaletti when walking or cycling a track. And I initially got the name > from workmen constructing a new one on the BNT. The name might be correct, but I don't think it is a good choice for a name since it doesn't appear even in wikipedia, then again I can't seem to find anything better, nor any images of permanent installations. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 09/06/10 09:22, John Smith wrote: > On 9 June 2010 09:07, John Henderson wrote: >> Do I put it on the main international wiki, or just the Australian one? > > Map features page, but first I'd come up with a better name, even > wikipedia couldn't find anything related to the 2 keywords you list > below > >> Just to make things more difficult, searching for a dictionary >> definition gives me alternative spellings: "cavaletti" and "cavalletti". >> I guess I should try to determine which is more widely used, although >> my spell-checkers don't like either. > > Dictionary.com had this: > > "A small, portable jump for schooling horses. Constructed of light > poles, 4 to 6 ft long, resting on a cross of timber at each end so > that the pole is 12 to 18 inches above the ground." > > Which doesn't seem like a permanent barrier type to me. The term gets used for both - the temporary "horse training" ones and the fixed barrier structures. The name is correct. I've found several references to the need to cross a cavaletti when walking or cycling a track. And I initially got the name from workmen constructing a new one on the BNT. John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 9 June 2010 09:04, Franc Carter wrote: > One of the things I most wished for from my pre gps days was for maps to > have turn restrictions marked. Is there a good way to do this without cluttering the map? These have real value and should be displayed prominently on a map used for driving navigation, maybe OSM needs to start rendering more specialist maps for specific purposes, but this is a debate for a different list. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 9 June 2010 09:22, John Smith wrote: > Dictionary.com had this: > > "A small, portable jump for schooling horses. Constructed of light > poles, 4 to 6 ft long, resting on a cross of timber at each end so > that the pole is 12 to 18 inches above the ground." Sorry, wasn't dictionary.com was: Saunders Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionary 3rd Edition, by D.C. Blood, V.P. Studdert and C.C. Gay, Elsevier ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 9 June 2010 09:07, John Henderson wrote: > Do I put it on the main international wiki, or just the Australian one? Map features page, but first I'd come up with a better name, even wikipedia couldn't find anything related to the 2 keywords you list below > Just to make things more difficult, searching for a dictionary > definition gives me alternative spellings: "cavaletti" and "cavalletti". > I guess I should try to determine which is more widely used, although > my spell-checkers don't like either. Dictionary.com had this: "A small, portable jump for schooling horses. Constructed of light poles, 4 to 6 ft long, resting on a cross of timber at each end so that the pole is 12 to 18 inches above the ground." Which doesn't seem like a permanent barrier type to me. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 09/06/10 07:59, Liz wrote: > I thought that they were aligned horizontally, so wouldn't be bollards > JH, you have to take a photo and put it on the wiki > preferably with a link to an independent definition to stop the bickering over > "what is it?" I'll get a photo. Do I put it on the main international wiki, or just the Australian one? Just to make things more difficult, searching for a dictionary definition gives me alternative spellings: "cavaletti" and "cavalletti". I guess I should try to determine which is more widely used, although my spell-checkers don't like either. John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Things that would be nice if they rendered...
One of the things I most wished for from my pre gps days was for maps to have turn restrictions marked. cheers On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:58 AM, John Smith wrote: > Mapping a few things locally and noticed some things don't render, so > I filed bugs about them: > > Rendering waterway=drain areas, these are now very mappable anywhere > Nearmap has made imagery available, but only ways currently render: > http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3041 > > Rendering operator=* tags if name=* is missing, currently nothing is > rendered but operator shows up in JOSM > http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3042 > > Generic shop icons, I think it's important that something renders on > the map, even if it's just the name and a generic icon for points of > interest like shops, currently on a select subset of shops are > rendering > http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3043 > > Does anyone else have any thoughts on what else should be rendered? > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Things that would be nice if they rendered...
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, John Smith wrote: > On 9 June 2010 07:14, John Henderson wrote: > > On 09/06/10 06:58, John Smith wrote: > >> Does anyone else have any thoughts on what else should be rendered? > > > > I'm glad you asked, as I've been wondering what to do about a type of > > barrier which is missing from the wikis. > > > > On trails which horses use, there's often a type of above-ground "cattle > > grid" called a "cavaletti". Typically, it would consist of about 4 > > widely-spaced logs across the track at a height of about a half a metre. > > > > The idea is that a riderless horse will not cross this (and perhaps > > > > escape on to a road). > > > > The Bicentennial National Trail has many of these, and I've added a > > handful in the last week since I found the correct name. Eg: > > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/444665099/history > > I'm guessing here but they sound like a stumpy barrier=bollard, so I'd > just use the height=* tag... > I thought that they were aligned horizontally, so wouldn't be bollards JH, you have to take a photo and put it on the wiki preferably with a link to an independent definition to stop the bickering over "what is it?" ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Things that would be nice if they rendered...
On 9 June 2010 07:14, John Henderson wrote: > On 09/06/10 06:58, John Smith wrote: > >> Does anyone else have any thoughts on what else should be rendered? > > I'm glad you asked, as I've been wondering what to do about a type of > barrier which is missing from the wikis. > > On trails which horses use, there's often a type of above-ground "cattle > grid" called a "cavaletti". Typically, it would consist of about 4 > widely-spaced logs across the track at a height of about a half a metre. > The idea is that a riderless horse will not cross this (and perhaps > escape on to a road). > > The Bicentennial National Trail has many of these, and I've added a > handful in the last week since I found the correct name. Eg: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/444665099/history I'm guessing here but they sound like a stumpy barrier=bollard, so I'd just use the height=* tag... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Things that would be nice if they rendered...
On 09/06/10 06:58, John Smith wrote: > Does anyone else have any thoughts on what else should be rendered? I'm glad you asked, as I've been wondering what to do about a type of barrier which is missing from the wikis. On trails which horses use, there's often a type of above-ground "cattle grid" called a "cavaletti". Typically, it would consist of about 4 widely-spaced logs across the track at a height of about a half a metre. The idea is that a riderless horse will not cross this (and perhaps escape on to a road). The Bicentennial National Trail has many of these, and I've added a handful in the last week since I found the correct name. Eg: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/444665099/history John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Things that would be nice if they rendered...
Mapping a few things locally and noticed some things don't render, so I filed bugs about them: Rendering waterway=drain areas, these are now very mappable anywhere Nearmap has made imagery available, but only ways currently render: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3041 Rendering operator=* tags if name=* is missing, currently nothing is rendered but operator shows up in JOSM http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3042 Generic shop icons, I think it's important that something renders on the map, even if it's just the name and a generic icon for points of interest like shops, currently on a select subset of shops are rendering http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3043 Does anyone else have any thoughts on what else should be rendered? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
