Re: [OSM-talk-be] Using SPW PICC layer in josm
On 2016-02-26 15:23, Thib wrote: > Hi, > > SPW PICC tiles layer is available in JOSM for mapping Belgian Southern > area but I can't find enough information about the license terms. > > Is it allowed to : > - copy (doing"calc") buildings and other objects boundaries (as we do > with bing tiles) > - get address house numbers According to a phone conversation Julien Fastré had with the SPW, what we are doing is *not* copying the data in their eyes. (I suppose this is akin to map licenses often considering the copyright as a right to reproduce the picture (and wasting paper "you can print...") and not the right to make measurements on it. On the other hand, Minister Henry ordered the SPW to free their geographic data. The PICC story is a pity. In 2010, I notified the SPW helpdesk that the PICC server was returning blank tiles in EPSG:4326 which is practically a requirement for JOSM and which is served by almost all servers in the world. No answer. Later on, I asked to feed this request through our official channel with the SPW and my insistence was laughed at by Julien Fastré whose own insistence was "we cannot copy yet". Now, that bug has finally been fixed. In short, if the SPW had fixed that bug when I reported it, we would have enjoyed a 5-year JOSM tagging at a 20 cm precision since what we do is not copy. I was able to use the PICC with Mapproxy, I did not because of the false instructions but yet I have been suspected to be a copying pirate! And nowadays, it's a real pity to find most houses and roads at a 2 to 5 m distance of their real location, especially those who were and still are mapped with other tools than JOSM and PICC. It makes feel like everything has to be redone again at 20 cm precision.. Making corrections is difficult because I proposed a revision date tagging that could have been very useful in this case but there was no interest on the Tagging list and even Marc Gemis was on my tracks to say it's impossible. In consequence, if you find the following tag, it means that I have rectified the geometry. source=20cm-near PICC http://geoportail.wallonie.be 2015 or source:geometry=same. Unfortunately, I have made many many untagged corrections. Cheers André. > > I've found some old threads talking about that interesting source but > no real answer... > > If someone has any information about it, It would be very useful. > > Thanks in advance. > Regards, > > Thib > > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Using SPW PICC layer in josm
Reading their license, this is not open data as they restrict the reuse and retain the right to change the license later. This data should not be used at all imho. Now my french isn't that great on the legal vocabulary notes, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't look good to me: http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/documents/ConditionsSPW/DataSPW-CGU.pdf http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/CopieDataSPW-CGA.pdf http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/documents/ConditionsSPW/DataSPW-CGU.pdf For data to be OSM-fit, you need a compatible license like GRB and AGIV have. So, unless someone claims i'm wrong, we should not use this at all, if you do... and a claim is made, that data will be removed from OSM by analysing the user names involved and their changesets. I'll be ignoring Lionel's follow-up and act like I didn't read it at all ... Glenn On 26-02-16 14:23, Thib wrote: > Hi, > > SPW PICC tiles layer is available in JOSM for mapping Belgian Southern > area but I can't find enough information about the license terms. > > Is it allowed to : > - copy (doing"calc") buildings and other objects boundaries (as we do > with bing tiles) > - get address house numbers > > I've found some old threads talking about that interesting source but no > real answer... > > If someone has any information about it, It would be very useful. > > Thanks in advance. > Regards, > > Thib > > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Using SPW PICC layer in josm
Bonjour, Pour être honnête, je l'utilise déjà, je ne contribue que de temps en temps et mes contributions sont basé sur PICC. Je ne connais pas bien les licences etc mais je supposais que si le fond de carte était proposé dans JOSM, cela signifiait que nous pouvions l'utiliser. Si ce n'est pas le cas, merci de m'en informer Lio :) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 15:23:51 +0100 From: thib@gmail.com To: talk-be@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk-be] Using SPW PICC layer in josm Hi, SPW PICC tiles layer is available in JOSM for mapping Belgian Southern area but I can't find enough information about the license terms. Is it allowed to :- copy (doing"calc") buildings and other objects boundaries (as we do with bing tiles)- get address house numbers I've found some old threads talking about that interesting source but no real answer... If someone has any information about it, It would be very useful. Thanks in advance.Regards, Thib ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] Using SPW PICC layer in josm
Hi, SPW PICC tiles layer is available in JOSM for mapping Belgian Southern area but I can't find enough information about the license terms. Is it allowed to : - copy (doing"calc") buildings and other objects boundaries (as we do with bing tiles) - get address house numbers I've found some old threads talking about that interesting source but no real answer... If someone has any information about it, It would be very useful. Thanks in advance. Regards, Thib ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
