Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Jim McAndrewwrote: > Sorry for the google maps links on this, but I've found NJ's use of > shoulders (or "curb lanes") as bike lanes kind of strange. I would tag this > as cycleway=lane but nothing for shoulder. Those aren't shoulders, those are bike lanes. There's no shoulders there. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ
My experience elsewhere is that shoulders are not considered legal driving lanes for motor vehicles, except under special circumstances, such as a construction zone where a normal driving lane has been shut down. People who try to use the shoulder as a driving lane receive traffic citations. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On October 12, 2015 11:05:12 PM Jack Burkewrote: Wait, question: Are these shoulder lanes under discussion *only* for bicycles, or for motor vehicles as well? --jack On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Elliott Plack wrote: Mike, I have not seen the Shoulder or Lanes tags in wide use yet. I use the cycleway tags on the highway line way to denote bike lanes that are part of the road surface, as it seems your case is. (cycleway:right=lane). Though in this case it is arguable if the shoulder is a lane. What is certain is that most cyclists treat shoulders as such. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway I'm interested in routing and the Open Source Routing Map project. Cycle and ped routing is especially interesting to me as an athlete, and so I looked on the ORSM backend for clues on how they're handling shared lanes and such. Looks like one of these tagging combos will work: https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/blob/8f8bd05f83fa2ccc542c2c44761f548a1e8b7579/features/bicycle/cycleway.feature Elliott On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 2:15 PM Mike Dupont < jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote: Hi there, This road cr 546 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/566939) and many others here in the area has extra wide wide shoulders that people use for walking or biking. How do you want to tag them as such so that we can also use that for routing? Here is a table of the segments with lane information http://lawrencetwp.com/documents/planning/Route546BikewayBicycleCompatibilityMatrix.pdf I see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes what are your thoughts on a detailed tagging for this information. thanks mike -- James Michael DuPont Kansas Linux Fest http://kansaslinuxfest.us Free/Libre Open Source and Open Knowledge Association of Kansas http://openkansas.us Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://www.flossk.org Saving Wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2015-10-14
These are based off of Lambertus's work here: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel free to ask. However, please do not send me private mail. The odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit. Downloads: http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2015-10-14 Map to visualize what each file contains: http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2015-10-14/kml/kml.html FAQ Why did you do this? I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a large join on Lambertus's server. I've also cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media. http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2015-10-14 Can or should I seed the torrents? Yes!! If you use the .torrent files, please seed. That web server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this side of the Atlantic. Why is my map missing small rectangular areas? There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the red rectangles), I don't see any at the moment, so you may want to update if you had issues with the last set. Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card? If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from the factory. I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB file. Does your map cover Mexico/Canada? Yes!! I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario in to the USA. Some areas of North America that are close to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps. This might not happen forever, and if you would like your non-US area to get included, let me know. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:24 AM, Mike Dupont < jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote: > These are used as an extra turning lane for cars, so going around > corners can be dangerous for cyclists or joggers or walkers who all > share them. Is that common practice or is there legal precident? I mean, people turn right from straddling the curb between the bike lane and the sidewalk in metro Portland, but it's certainly not a legal move. And OHP just loves giving people tickets for driving on the shoulder when you're about to turn right in Oklahoma (particularly on SH66/Future USBR66/OKBR66) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Missing Roads data dumps
Hi all, After two weeks almost 10% of missing road tiles have been resolved. Pretty nice! Thanks for checking out the tool. Continue to send me your ideas for improvement, or go to http://bit.ly/missing-roads-feedback to post it there. We decided also to release the data behind the tool - as of a few days ago we have been posting daily dumps. See my diary entry for more info: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/36126. Let me know if you find it useful. Happy mapping -- Martijn ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Increasing the number of US Mappers
A quick reality check: forget scraping stuff from FB or any other commercial operator of similar services (for legal/ToS reasons). And second: there is already the OSM forums which, depending on region, are quite popular. Further: none-of the above are really a replacement for a integrated group facility which can support very fine grained and self-organized grouping of contributors with common interests (or whatever). Simon Am 16.10.2015 um 04:59 schrieb stevea: signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] How to Vote?
I cannot find information on "how to vote" at the website openstreetmap.us. Can someone help me? Alan Bedford MA ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] How to Vote?
Hi Alan, You should have just received an e-mail with instructions for how to vote. Let me know if you haven't. -Ian On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Alan Braggwrote: > I cannot find information on "how to vote" at the website > openstreetmap.us. Can someone help me? > > Alan > Bedford MA > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Increasing the number of US Mappers
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Greg Troxelwrote: > Except that osm is part of the Free Sofware / Open Data world, and it > isn't reasonable to expect contributors to have a relationship with an > advertising company. second that. So, it woudl be nice to be able to invite everyone who is in some area to a meetup, a geonotice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Geonotice something that would work with different editors. mike -- James Michael DuPont Kansas Linux Fest http://kansaslinuxfest.us Free/Libre Open Source and Open Knowledge Association of Kansas http://openkansas.us Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://www.flossk.org Saving Wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Legislative districts, Land-use zoning, etc.
Looking thorough the OSM Wiki Map Features entry there didn't really seem to be features defined for such things as legislative districts, polling place districts, and land-use zoning. I don't think such features are peculiar to the USA. Am I missing something? Thanks, Charles P. Lamb New Jersey ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Legislative districts, Land-use zoning, etc.
OSM is not the ideal tool to be a dumping ground for all GIS data. It excels at holding information that users can see, verify and update. Boundaries like this cannot be seen or verified by anyone except the government agency that originally made them. So the data gains no benefit from being in OSM and in fact makes it more difficult to update both the boundary data as well as non-boundary data in the vicinity. Yes, we do have national/state/county/city boundaries. Some people aren't happy about this either... but they are tolerated because they enable geocoding functionality. Toby On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 1:19 AM, Charles P. Lambwrote: > Looking thorough the OSM Wiki Map Features entry there didn't really seem to > be features defined for such things as legislative districts, polling place > districts, and land-use zoning. I don't think such features are peculiar to > the USA. Am I missing something? > > Thanks, > > Charles P. Lamb > New Jersey > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] How to Vote?
Ian, Thank you, I received the instructions 10 minutes after I posted to the list. I'm assuming that my problem was because I only joined yesterday after watching the video at https://openstreetmap.us/2015/10/candidates-townhall/ It amazes me how much there is to learn about OSM. I learn the most by reading http://www.weeklyosm.eu/ which I receive every week by email. Alan On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Ian Deeswrote: > Hi Alan, > > You should have just received an e-mail with instructions for how to vote. > Let me know if you haven't. > > -Ian > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Alan Bragg > wrote: > >> I cannot find information on "how to vote" at the website >> openstreetmap.us. Can someone help me? >> >> Alan >> Bedford MA >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-us mailing list >> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >> >> > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ
Normally yes. But just north of Atlanta we have a freeway called Georgia 400, and several miles of it are signed that the shoulder lanes are allowed for all motor vehicle traffic between certain hours, albeit with a lower spec limit than the regular lanes. -jack On October 16, 2015 4:29:32 PM EDT, John Eldredgewrote: >My experience elsewhere is that shoulders are not considered legal >driving >lanes for motor vehicles, except under special circumstances, such as a > >construction zone where a normal driving lane has been shut down. >People >who try to use the shoulder as a driving lane receive traffic >citations. > >-- >John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com >"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate >cannot >drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. > > > >On October 12, 2015 11:05:12 PM Jack Burke wrote: > >> Wait, question: >> >> Are these shoulder lanes under discussion *only* for bicycles, or for >motor >> vehicles as well? >> >> --jack >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Elliott Plack > >> wrote: >> >>> Mike, >>> >>> I have not seen the Shoulder or Lanes tags in wide use yet. I use >the >>> cycleway tags on the highway line way to denote bike lanes that are >part of >>> the road surface, as it seems your case is. (cycleway:right=lane). >Though >>> in this case it is arguable if the shoulder is a lane. What is >certain is >>> that most cyclists treat shoulders as such. >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway >>> >>> I'm interested in routing and the Open Source Routing Map project. >Cycle >>> and ped routing is especially interesting to me as an athlete, and >so I >>> looked on the ORSM backend for clues on how they're handling shared >lanes >>> and such. Looks like one of these tagging combos will work: >>> >https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/blob/8f8bd05f83fa2ccc542c2c44761f548a1e8b7579/features/bicycle/cycleway.feature >>> >>> Elliott >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 2:15 PM Mike Dupont < >>> jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> Hi there, This road cr 546 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/566939) and many others here in the area has extra wide wide shoulders that people use for walking or biking. How do you want to tag them as >such so that we can also use that for routing? Here is a table of the segments with lane information >http://lawrencetwp.com/documents/planning/Route546BikewayBicycleCompatibilityMatrix.pdf I see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes what are your thoughts on >a detailed tagging for this information. thanks mike -- James Michael DuPont Kansas Linux Fest http://kansaslinuxfest.us Free/Libre Open Source and Open Knowledge Association of Kansas http://openkansas.us Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova >http://www.flossk.org Saving Wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-us mailing list >>> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> ___ >> Talk-us mailing list >> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > > > >___ >Talk-us mailing list >Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Typos courtesy of fancy auto-spell technology. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Increasing the number of US Mappers
Simon Poole writes: forget scraping stuff from FB or any other commercial operator of similar services (for legal/ToS reasons). Fine, no scraping. Even as the online communication world remains a Babel Tower of proprietary data islands, OSM can still create and continually improve what Simon and this thread seem to be expressing a serious need for us to better articulate: "an integrated group facility which can support very fine grained and self-organized grouping of contributors with common interests (or whatever)." That comes pretty close to describing what I would like to see emerge, so thank you for that articulation, Simon. This is notwithstanding what Simon also mentions, that "there is already the OSM forums which, depending on region, are quite popular." Yes, our forums are popular (and this is one of the "other places" I mentioned earlier), but they don't meet all our needs. Do we keep them, grow them or discard them (once something better is built)? We should leverage their popularity, to the extent they are (regionally). Do we build this "integrated group facility" from scratch? Using off-the-shelf (open-source) tools to get a jump-start? How do we solicit input from our community to establish the feature set and overall design? This is a long-term goal and has far-reaching consequences to grow mappers (in the US and elsewhere). I strongly believe we should put serious effort into it, beginning with serious discussion. This may or may not be the right forum to do so, but please: let us not drop this dialog somewhere and fail to pick it up again. I'm no Mark Zuckerberg or billionaire, but in 1983-4 I started a tree-based forum on University of California student open-access minicomputers. I saw how quickly and powerfully it became an extremely popular, widely-used communication medium precisely because of its "very fine grained and self-organized grouping of contributors with common interests." OSM needs the same kind of medium. Today, or soon. It really WILL increase our number of mappers. SteveA California ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Increasing the number of US Mappers
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:11 PM, steveawrote: > OSM needs the same kind of medium. Today, or soon. It really WILL > increase our number of mappers. How about single sign on, we dont need multiple accounts for all these web resources. -- James Michael DuPont Kansas Linux Fest http://kansaslinuxfest.us Free/Libre Open Source and Open Knowledge Association of Kansas http://openkansas.us Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://www.flossk.org Saving Wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ
Here in NJ they pass you on the right on these lanes, it is totally insane. On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 4:29 PM, John Eldredgewrote: > My experience elsewhere is that shoulders are not considered legal driving > lanes for motor vehicles, except under special circumstances, such as a > construction zone where a normal driving lane has been shut down. People who > try to use the shoulder as a driving lane receive traffic citations. > > -- > John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com > "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot > drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. > > On October 12, 2015 11:05:12 PM Jack Burke wrote: >> >> Wait, question: >> >> Are these shoulder lanes under discussion *only* for bicycles, or for >> motor vehicles as well? >> >> --jack >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Elliott Plack >> wrote: >>> >>> Mike, >>> >>> I have not seen the Shoulder or Lanes tags in wide use yet. I use the >>> cycleway tags on the highway line way to denote bike lanes that are part of >>> the road surface, as it seems your case is. (cycleway:right=lane). Though in >>> this case it is arguable if the shoulder is a lane. What is certain is that >>> most cyclists treat shoulders as such. >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway >>> >>> I'm interested in routing and the Open Source Routing Map project. Cycle >>> and ped routing is especially interesting to me as an athlete, and so I >>> looked on the ORSM backend for clues on how they're handling shared lanes >>> and such. Looks like one of these tagging combos will work: >>> https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/blob/8f8bd05f83fa2ccc542c2c44761f548a1e8b7579/features/bicycle/cycleway.feature >>> >>> Elliott >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 2:15 PM Mike Dupont >>> wrote: Hi there, This road cr 546 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/566939) and many others here in the area has extra wide wide shoulders that people use for walking or biking. How do you want to tag them as such so that we can also use that for routing? Here is a table of the segments with lane information http://lawrencetwp.com/documents/planning/Route546BikewayBicycleCompatibilityMatrix.pdf I see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes what are your thoughts on a detailed tagging for this information. thanks mike -- James Michael DuPont Kansas Linux Fest http://kansaslinuxfest.us Free/Libre Open Source and Open Knowledge Association of Kansas http://openkansas.us Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://www.flossk.org Saving Wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-us mailing list >>> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >>> >> >> ___ >> Talk-us mailing list >> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > -- James Michael DuPont Kansas Linux Fest http://kansaslinuxfest.us Free/Libre Open Source and Open Knowledge Association of Kansas http://openkansas.us Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://www.flossk.org Saving Wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Increasing the number of US Mappers
Mike Dupont writes: How about single sign on, we dont need multiple accounts for all these web resources. I thought of this, but didn't mention it, as we have something similar going on with both OSM wiki accounts and OSM edit accounts. The reason is that the rights/attributions are different (wiki post rights/attributions differ from the ODBL which guides OSM edit rights/attributions). While some harmonization of logins/signons is a good idea, we should do so where we can, but let's recognize that in some circumstances, we can't. SteveA California ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us